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The paper that was taken over BY ERDOGAN'S GOVERNMENT was often critical of Erdogan. That was the reason for the government takeover. Thinking that Russia had anything to do with it is either ignorance, prejudice, or lunacy. Erdogan doesn't need Putin's help in self-destructing, he's doing that all on his own pretty well.

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ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:


ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country. Putin outright kills people in the press. The number of people is high and growing.

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We yesterday described what looks like a Turkish-Saudi plan to raise a Salafi-Sunni militia in north Lebanon to then attack nearby Syrian regions held by the Syrian government. Such a new front of the conflict in Syria would necessarily involve fighting in Lebanon as the Lebanese Shia Hizbollah movement is actively supporting the Syrian government. The plot would destabilize Lebanon, probably throwing it back into the brutal times of the Lebanese civil war.

There was no confirmation of such a plot yesterday, just several signs for it like the ship with weapons from Turkey that was caught by the Greek coastguard on its way to north Lebanon.

The existence of such a plan was confirmed today. We still can no say for sure that the plot is part of a U.S. "Plan B" to achieve a violent "regime change" in Syria, but we know that the U.S. is informed about the plan.

In his Washington Post column today the unofficial CIA spokesperson David Ignatius writes about the Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman:

The young Saudi has sometimes been more bold than wise, as in his war in Yemen, his decision to break diplomatic relations with Iran and his new effort to destabilize a Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon.
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Ignatius, as surely also the U.S. government, was informed by the Saudis themselves. The above quoted paragraph continues:

But his role as a change agent is unmistakable. He “wants to transition Saudi Arabia very quickly,” said Adel al-Toraifi, the Saudi information minister, who’s just 36 himself, in a visit to Washington last week.

My hunch is that this plan is too bold to have grown solely in the minds of the Turkish and Saudi regimes. The U.S. is likely not only informed about it but deeply involved. The possibility of such a plan to counter the recent Syrian and Russian successes on the battlefield was first mentioned in a piece published in early February by the Washington Institute, a think tank founded and funded by the Israel lobby.

Last week Secretary of State Kerry mentioned a "Plan B" should the recent cessation of hostilities in Syria fail:

US Secretary of State John Kerry provoked widespread speculation when he referred in testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee last week to “significant discussions” within US President Barack Obama's administration about a “Plan B” in Syria. The speculation was further stoked by a “senior official” who told CBS News that options under consideration included "'military-like' measures that would make it harder for the regime and its allies to continue their assault on civilians and US-backed rebels.”

A violent Salafi militia from Lebanon storming into Syria would certainly be a "'military-like' measures that would make it harder for the regime and its allies".

The author of the last linked text, Gareth Porter, dismissed the chance of a real "Plan B" but had not yet included the Lebanon plot scenario in his considerations. He continued:

Kerry suggested that the US was still a player in the Syrian contest for power. Regarding Chairman Bob Corker’s comment that the Russians had been “accomplishing their ends” in Syria, he argued that the Russians and the Syrian government could take control of Aleppo, but that “holding territory has always been difficult”. Kerry claimed that the Russians could not prevent the opposition [terrorists and Sunni extremists] from getting the weapons needed to continue the war, as long as the US and its allies were supporting them. He offered no explanation for that claim.

The Turkish-Saudi weapon smuggling into Lebanon is an explanation for the claim Kerry made. Syria and Russia are in the process of closing off the Syrian-Turkish border. If the Saudis can build a weapon pipeline into north Lebanon it will become quite difficult for Syria and its allies to hold the Syrian territory near the Lebanese border.

In a speech yesterday Hizbullah chief Nasrallah discussed the general Saudi threat to Lebanon at length but did not mention the Sunni militia plot:

"Saudi which treats Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and Bahrain like that, treats Lebanon the same way," Sayyed Nasrallah concluded, addressing the Saudis: "Your problem is with us, it is not with the country or with the Lebanese..."

Nasrallah is right, but the Saudis will not care when the Lebanese people or their country get hurt due to some nefarious scheme to attack Syria and Hizbullah. Nor will the United States.

There are obvious signs for a plan to use Saudi controlled Sunni militia from Lebanon against the Syrian government and its supporters. The U.S. is, in my view, very likely involved in this plot. But we still do not know if this plan will ever be implemented. The recent Saudi threat to send its army into Syria turned out to be a pure (dis-)information campaign to unsettle the Syrian government's side. The recent revelations about the plot in Lebanon and the "Plan B" may also be pure deception and illusionary to gain some leverage for the coming negotiations.

But the ship the Greek coastguard caught was real and such a plan would have a good chance to create lots of troubles for Syria and its supporters. My advice to the Syrian government and its allies is to prepare now to eventually counter it.

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ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country.

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Since you freely, proudly, and frequently proclaim your refusal to read Russian press, how would you know anything about it? Oh, that's right- you don't. But, yanno, never let anyone say that profound ignorance on a topic has ever prevented you from speaking out, no siree!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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ERDOGAN has taken a play out of Putin's play book. Putin has destroyed the press in his country.

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Since you freely, proudly, and frequently proclaim your refusal to read Russian press, how would you know anything about it? Oh, that's right- you don't. But, yanno, never let anyone say that profound ignorance on a topic has ever prevented you from speaking out, no siree!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:


Her poor daughter, living with that thing. And what must she be learning about the world and how to be in it?

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It's pretty simple really.

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The rest of the worlds [i.e. the western] press keeps writing about it

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Asshole

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For what it's worth, I'm an awesome mom and wife.

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And yeah, I like being mad at things people should be mad at

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It's pretty simple really.

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Simple things for simple people.

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The rest of the worlds [i.e. the western] press keeps writing about it

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Indian press writes about it? Chinese press? Argentinian press? Pakistani press?

Your view of "the world" is just like you very, VERY limited.

"Russian press" ranges from the kind of supermarket rag that you see in the USA, to virulently pro-western/anti-Putin to those who criticize Putin from the opposite direction - pro-communist/ Putin's not 'tough enough', to the "official" press, to the made-for-the-west press. You, of course, have never seen any of it.

But, as usual, your complete and utter lack of knowledge has never prevented YOU from speaking out, nosiree! Heaven forfend that you might actually know something about which you opine so freely!

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Troll much?

The asshole, I see, is you.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You wanted to make it personal? You got it dearie.

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Let's see. You're angry because - even though you haven't bothered with the news coming out of Turkey in YEARS - you THINK Russia MIGHT have had something to do with Erdogan taking over a critical newspaper? THAT'S the source of your rage against evil?

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Wow, Wishimay is evil because she has an opinion that differs from yours.

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Sounds pretty insane - oh, and inane, ignorant, and poor white trash-y - to me.

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Wow again, talk about anger issues.

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BTW, I'm not criticizing your family. No, it's directed at you personally because you're the asshole human you claim to be better than. And, don't fool yourself into thinking that your family doesn't know about this side of you. Believe me, people know. Even if you think you're doing a great job hiding it. I just feel sorry for them. Jeez, no wonder your husband disappears into video games. He's trying to get away from you.

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Talk about angry and sick. All this spewed from you 1kiki over one post criticizing Russia. Everyone here knows Wishie has a temper but we could also stack kind and supportive post on top of kind and supportive post that would go on forever. Something that could not be done for you. Wishie is all over the site in the fashion of a good Browncoat. Again something that cannot be said about you or your counterpart SIG who launch attack upon attack on every society other than Russia and its allies.

Here’s a bit of temper for ya

ARE YOU PACKED YET!!!!

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I just responded to a post in another thread you addressed to me. I claim there that you deceitfully edit posts to assist you in making your point. I come to this thread and here is another example of it. You have me in quotes yet you edited it and interjected yourself.

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I just responded to a post in another thread you addressed to me. I claim there that you deceitfully edit posts to assist you in making your point. I come to this thread and here is another example of it. You have me in quotes yet you edited it and interjected yourself.

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AND YOU DON'T KNOW PUNCTUATION EITHER.

It is very clear except to the most brain-dead (which is you) that the comment inserted is MINE, not yours. Therefore it is not "a lie", since I'm not in any way misrepresenting you. And by the way, if you're so convinced that I post-edited my comment, why don't you go read G's quotes of my post, in which he repeats my post, word-for-word? Or do you think that G is part of some vast, anti-THUGR conspiracy? I posted the link maybe you should go read it?

Because the more you keep repeating that false statement, the more and more you show yourself to be a big fat liar, and a troll.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Troll, much?

Oh, btw, this gave me a BIG laugh -'Ok first, if I wished I could show improperly edited posts, fractured sentences and poor punctuation from you time and time again.'

But you never will because you can't, oh king of the post-edits.

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Apparently you are the one who can't read. I proved it minutes later in a different thread. It's there for all to see.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And yet, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the phrase "time and time again" that YOU posted ... it means REPEATEDLY. More than once or twice or occasionally.

time after time (also time and again or time and time again)

on very many occasions; repeatedly.
synonyms: frequently, regularly, often, very often, all the time, habitually, customarily, routinely;

I actually feel sorry for you. You do seem to have less than average mental skills. But I'm thinking you grew up with the idea you could never admit to any deficiencies or errors.

Son, the more you insist that you're right when you're so clearly wrong, the worse you look. Just sayin' ...

But enough about you. Maybe someone will have something TOPICAL to say.

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I just feel sorry for them. Jeez, no wonder your husband disappears into video games. He's trying to get away from you.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Everyone here knows Wishie has a temper but we could also stack kind and supportive post on top of kind and supportive post that would go on forever. Something that could not be done for you. Wishie is all over the site in the fashion of a good Browncoat. Again something that cannot be said about you or your counterpart SIG...

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ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish authorities have seized control of the Cihan news agency, according to a statement from Cihan, widening the crackdown against supporters of U.S.-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen, an influential foe of President Tayyip Erdogan.

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Everyone here knows Wishie has a temper but we could also stack kind and supportive post on top of kind and supportive post that would go on forever. Something that could not be done for you. Wishie is all over the site in the fashion of a good Browncoat. Again something that cannot be said about you or your counterpart SIG...

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Hey, thanks man That was decent of ya.

Sorry I weren't home today to help.

I honestly don't give a damn about Turkey anyhow.

Not worth fighting with these two loons besides...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you don't give a damn about Turkey, why did you get into such a hissyfit about it?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you don't give a damn about Turkey, why did you get into such a hissyfit about it?

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{I} threw a hissyfit????

I have to defend my family in a thread that had nothin' ta DO with 'em, and {I'M} pitching a hissyfit????

Wankers...

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I mean, this a kind of a rhetorical question so you don't have to answer it, but you constantly bitch about people being ignorant and not making much sense. So why don't you follow your own oft-repeated diatribes and maybe study up a little bit before you start venting?

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Turkey Arrests 130 Building Contractors As Earthquake Deaths Surpass 28,000

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