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And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.

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And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.

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Yanno SECOND, I listened to the debate, and that's not what Trump said. Leave it to a liberal to lie. What Trump actually pointed to, as his big offset, is DEPRECIATION.

And, as is so true, he also said that there are MANY LOOPHOLES - not just carried interest - which Hillary and politicians like Hillary will never close, because it will offend their wealthy donors. I've mentioned these MANY LOOPHOLES before, including deductions, depreciations, subsidies, expenses, carried losses etc. so it's not like they should be news to anybody.

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Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war? Trump is not a war candidate, and that is my #1 reason for voting for Trump.

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I'd say Bill paid an awful lot of money to deep-six allegations about things you claim didn't happen.

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Yanno SECOND, I listened to the debate, and that's not what Trump said. Leave it to a liberal to lie. What Trump actually pointed to, as his big offset, is DEPRECIATION.

And, as is so true, he also said that there are MANY LOOPHOLES - not just carried interest - which Hillary and politicians like Hillary will never close, because it will offend their wealthy donors. I've mentioned these MANY LOOPHOLES before, including deductions, depreciations, subsidies, expenses, carried losses etc. so it's not like they should be news to anybody.

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"Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously."

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"Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously."

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Who cares? But you might care how Trump's mind works and how he can adroitly twist a story in case he might be caught. He'd be ready to say "That's not what I heard" and just keep moving onward with the same old lie repeated on another day. Let's pick apart one from many stories Trump told last night. It is not really a story. It's a lie. But Trump really told it well and he even brought the woman to the debate:
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/10/fact-checking-t
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“One of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, was raped at 12. Her client she represented got him off, and she’s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped.”

— Donald Trump at the second debate

Trump's story sounds like it will end Hillary's chances, doesn't it?

In 1975, Clinton — then Hillary Rodham — was a 27-year-old law professor running a legal aid clinic in the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. After a 41-year-old factory worker was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl, he asked the judge to replace his male court-appointed attorney with a female one. The judge went through the list of a half-dozen women practicing law in the county and picked Clinton.

In her autobiography, “Living History,” Clinton wrote, “I told [prosecutor] Mahlon [Gibson] I really don’t feel comfortable taking on such a client, but Mahlon gently reminded me that I couldn’t very well refuse the judge’s request.” Gibson has confirmed that account in interviews with Newsday and CNN, saying Clinton told him: “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?”

Ultimately, the prosecution’s case fell apart for a number of reasons, including investigators mishandling evidence of bloody underwear, so in a plea agreement the charges were reduced from first-degree rape to unlawful fondling of a minor under the age of 14. Not until 2008 did the victim, Kathy Shelton, realize that Clinton had been the lawyer on the other side. She has since attacked Clinton for putting “me through hell,” and she appeared at a news event with Trump before the debate.

The rape case reemerged when the Washington Free Beacon in 2014 discovered unpublished audio recordings from the mid-1980s of Clinton being interviewed by Arkansas reporter Roy Reed for an article that was never published.

In the recorded interview, Clinton is heard laughing or giggling four times when discussing the case with unusual candor; the reporter is also heard laughing, and sometimes Clinton is responding to him.

Here are the four instances:

“Of course he [the defendant] claimed he didn’t rape. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” (Both Clinton and the reporter laugh.)

“So I got an order to see the evidence and the prosecutor didn’t want me to see the evidence. I had to go to Maupin Cummings [the judge] and convince Maupin that yes indeed I had a right to see the evidence before it was presented. (Clinton laughs lightly between “evidence” and “before.”)

“I handed it [a biography of her expert witness] to Mahlon Gibson, and I said, ‘Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice.’” (Clinton laughs, as does the reporter.)

“So [Judge] Maupin had to, you know, under law he was supposed to determine whether the plea was factually supported. Maupin asked me to leave the room while he examined my client so that he could find out if it was factually supported. I said ‘Judge I can’t leave the room I’m his lawyer!’ he said ‘I know but I don’t want to talk about this in front of you.’” (Reporter says, “Oh God, really?” And they both laugh.)

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I would rather have someone other than Clinton to vote for but. . .

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THHGRI, all your YouTubez are blocked az 'private'.

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Hey Second, thanks for posting the audio transcript of Hillary's conversation with the news reporter that was recently released. That was very helpful to me in understanding the series of events.

Now I have a better understanding.


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And in late 2015, the party appeared ready to crown Jeb Bush, the scion of a wealthy family whose policy programme differed little from Mitt Romney’s, even as his tone did. This was the brother of a man who started two unsuccessful wars, wars whose burden was disproportionately shouldered by the white middle and working class. And though a number of putative challengers offered stylistic contrasts with the younger Bush brother, no one challenged the core premise at the heart of his candidacy: tax cuts and deregulation at home combined with an active, military-focused foreign policy abroad. Just eight years after George W Bush left office to historically low approval numbers, the party appeared primed to double down on Bush, both in policy and in genetics. And no one seemed that interested in stopping it.

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So, speaking of facts, it's a fact I scroll past your carefully selected hate-Trump propaganda.

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Can anyone here see the videos I've posted?

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How any person could vote for Trump - no matter how bad Hillary is - is beyond me. How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable.

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I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.

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I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.

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I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.

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I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.

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I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.

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I would correct one thing SECOND. It's not just that our economy did not deliver good paying jobs. It's that our government helped strip them of their good paying jobs. Our government is as guilty as cooperate America for leaving many Americans in poverty and destitute. In many instances companies that left took advantage of the tax system and our government paid their travel expenses. This led to whole swaths of our country disappearing into poverty. If it was just bigotry behind Trump, his numbers would be more like 25% of voters. Maybe even less.

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I think there is a floor beneath the Republican vote. Any Republican would get 40% of the popular vote. If it was any other Republican than Trump, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, or Bobby Jindal, the Republicans would be winning against Hillary. Obviously the Trump lovers don't see their preferred President as a con-man who took advantage of their attitudes. But Republican primary voters wanted the biggest promise maker/liar from the field of 16 possible candidates and they certainly got that. 52% of the words from Trump's mouth are false or worse -- "pants on fire" false.

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How any person could vote for Trump - no matter how bad Hillary is - is beyond me. How any WOMAN with any desire to claim she is intelligent and/or independent of thought is unfathomable. = G

It is easy to explain:
In the eight years since Obama’s election, the white working class had grown angry: at the economy that failed to deliver good jobs, at the failed prosecution of two wars, at a government bureaucracy that failed to deliver good healthcare for veterans, at policy-makers who bailed out megabanks in the 2008 financial crisis even as many Americans lost their homes. The party didn’t want another Mitt Romney and it sure as hell didn’t want Jeb Bush, just another Bush. It wanted, most of all, a man whose very existence is the opposite of everything prior nominees stood for.

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This was about more than finances and the macroeconomy problem. As a culture, working-class white Americans like myself had no heroes. We loved the military but had no George S Patton figure in the modern army. I doubt my neighbors could even name a high-ranking military officer. The space program, long a source of pride, had gone the way of the dodo and with it the celebrity astronauts. We had lost any trust in the media as guardians of truth and consequently many were willing to believe all manner of conspiracies about our allegedly foreign-born president and his supposed grabs for power. The same could be said about Hillary by only changing the details of the conspiracies.

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Many in the US and abroad marvel that a showy billionaire could inspire such allegiance among relatively poor voters. Yet in style and tone, Trump reminds blue-collar workers of themselves. Gone are the poll-tested and consultant-approved political lines, replaced with a backslapping swashbuckler unafraid of saying what’s on his mind. The elites of DC and NY see an offensive madman, blowing through decades of political convention with his every word. His voters, on the other hand, see a man who’s refreshingly relatable, who talks about politics and policy as if he were sitting around the dinner table.

More important is Trump’s message. Implicit in the slogan “Make America Great Again” is a belief that one’s country is not especially great right now and that’s certainly how many of Middletown’s residents felt.

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The tragedy of Trump’s candidacy is that, embedded in his furious exhortations against Muslims and Mexicans and trade deals gone awry is a message that America’s white poor don’t need: that everything wrong in your life (and Trump's) is someone else’s fault.

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RUSSIAN WARSHIP OFF SYRIA COAST TARGETS AND DESTROYS "FOREIGN OPERATIONS CENTER" -- US, ISRAELI AND TURK MILITARY OFFICERS KILLED

"The Russian warships stationed in Syria’s coastal waters targeted and destroyed a foreign military operations room, killing over two dozen Israeli and western intelligence officers. “The Russian warships fired three Caliber missiles at the foreign officers’ coordination operations room in Dar Ezza region in the Western part of Aleppo near Sam’an mountain, killing 30 Israeli and western officers,” the Arabic-language service of Russia’s Sputnik news agency quoted battlefield source in Aleppo as saying on Wednesday.
The operations room was located in the Western part of Aleppo province in the middle of sky-high Sam’an mountain and old caves. The region is deep into a chain of mountains.
Several US, Turkish, Saudi, Qatari and British officers were also killed along with the Israeli officers. The foreign officers who were killed in the Aleppo operations room were directing the terrorists’ attacks in Aleppo and Idlib.

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Please scroll up to see my post. THUGR is just trying to bury it with idiocy.

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No, voting for Trump is definitely dangerous and will be a disaster. Clinton may turn out that way but for now at least she is qualified.

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