Consequences of an Administration Above the Law by JCKnife

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Consequences of an Administration Above the Law

POSTED BY: JCKNIFE
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 15:47
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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:43 AM

Gee, another Clinton Administration officical involved in scandal, coverup, and general illegal hijinks. What a surprise.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126249,00.html

Just another example of "the law of the land doesn't apply to me." That's the legacy Clinton gave us.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:08 AM

KNIBBLET

This all involves a terrorist plot to attack LAX during the millenium celebrations - and attack which was thwarted. HURRAH for the Good Guys!

He was asked to give a debrief and breakdown of the situation. He took 3X5 notecards and copies of papers upon which he'd scrawled notes - he took NO originals. The originals (along with the criticisms of the Clinton administration) were always in the archive and have been cited many times in the 911 commission's report.

He admitted the mistake and returned the papers immediately. I find it interesting that this was leaked to the press at this time. Hmmmmm, who might be wanting to divert attention? Hmmmm?

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:50 AM

SERGEANTX

Let's hear it for Fox News! This is just another example of the previous administration's cavalier disregard of law and public accountability.

It's astute organizations like Fox News that keep our current leaders on the straight and narrow. Why, without their unwavering and watchful eye the current administration would likely be engaging in all kinds of underhanded, unconstitutional tactics that would violate the human rights of people all over the world.

I'll bet Clinton was even arresting dissidents here in the U.S., labeling them POW's and shipping them off to areas outside the states where they could be detained and tortured at the president's whim. Next they'll find out he was killing tens of thousands of people in an unnecessary war to protect the interests of his wealthy backers. Go get 'em Fox!

(why can't they cancel this crap instead of Firefly??)

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:01 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ... (snark) ... Ha Ha Ha Ha ... hee hee hee ...

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:15 AM

JCKNIFE

If your assertion is that this is a non-story because I posted a link to Fox News, I can give you 615 other sources of the same story, according to Google. I suspect most of them are picking up the AP story but FOX AND CNN are pursuing this story aggressively today.

Here's a CNN link, if it makes you feel better:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/07/20/berger.probe/index.html

"A government official familiar with the investigation said that some documents are still missing."

So no, he did not take just his own notes out (which is a crime in and of itself). According to this CNN report, he removed and presumably disposed of classified documents related to the Clinton administration's posture RE Al Quaeda. Sounds like a shell game to me--let's shred the Clinton ineptitude and blame Bush!

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:15 AM

JCKNIFE

Gorram double-post. Sorry.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:26 AM

JCKNIFE

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:

(why can't they cancel this crap instead of Firefly??)
SergeantX

Because it's the top-rated cable news network?

Democracy in action!

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:51 AM

BIGBLUEFAN

"He took 3X5 notecards and copies of papers upon which he'd scrawled notes - he took NO originals."

First, it's against the law to remove even your own handwritten notes, so that does not excuse his actions. Second, he stuffed them down his pants, there's no way that was an accident. Third, even if he didn't take originals, which I think is BS, he broke the law taking the copies. Some of these were, apparently, in a leather binder!

Angi

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:13 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Quote:
Originally posted by JCKnife:
Because it's the top-rated cable news network?

Democracy in action!

Democracy is not always a good thing. If you have a community of 50 people and 50 of them vote to do something isn’t that the ultimate democracy? And what if this is a community of 50 males, and what they voted to do was capture a woman, keep her as a sex slave, kill her after two weeks, grind her up, and use her as fertilizer for their prize winning rose garden?

Democracy in action!

That is why there are restrictions placed on most democracies. That is why there is a Bill of Rights in the United States, and similar rules elsewhere. After all, wasn’t slavery condoned by majority rule at it’s conception? What about segregation? How about deportation?

Democracy is a horrible thing when unrestricted, if you want to see unrestricted democracy look at any mob.

The ratings system is unrestricted democracy.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:17 AM

RADHIL

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JCKnife wrote:
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 05:43

Gee, another Clinton Administration officical involved in scandal, coverup, and general illegal hijinks. What a surprise.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126249,00.html

Just another example of "the law of the land doesn't apply to me." That's the legacy Clinton gave us.

Please forgive me for saying so, but I don't see the "coverup" bit. He's as much admitted he did this. There's far less smokescreen about this than most other crap in the news. In fact, the only odd smoke I see is that every news story makes the point that he was a Clinton adviser before they make the point he's working with the 9/11 commission. Subtle bit of spin, that.

Also forgive my massive scorn of your "above the law" statement, considering our current leaders and their constantly running smog-machines. In fact, I'd say that's the most offensive bit of your post, rather than the story itself.

Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction

And an add-on - I think the story is rather up-front and by itself shouldn't be political. The man did something rather idiotic, and by all accounts may be charged and probably should be. Twisting it to attack Clinton by some vague and thinly veiled sneer is hack politics of the worst sort though. So I have no arguement about the story. Just the rather bizarre slant you (and media, apparently) unleashed it with, and with nothing other than "Ooh, he worked for Clinton!" for backing facts. FURTHER ADD-ON: Oh, I see. He informally advises Kerry. Now the slant makes sense. Too much to hope that news should be unpolitical I guess.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:32 AM

SERGEANTX

Quote:
Originally posted by JCKnife:
If your assertion is that this is a non-story because I posted a link to Fox News, I can give you 615 other sources of the same story, according to Google. I suspect most of them are picking up the AP story but FOX AND CNN are pursuing this story aggressively today.

Here's a CNN link, if it makes you feel better:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/07/20/berger.probe/index.html

"A government official familiar with the investigation said that some documents are still missing."

So no, he did not take just his own notes out (which is a crime in and of itself). According to this CNN report, he removed and presumably disposed of classified documents related to the Clinton administration's posture RE Al Quaeda. Sounds like a shell game to me--let's shred the Clinton ineptitude and blame Bush!

OK, sarcasm is subtle, so I'll spell it out. I don't give a rat's ass about the veracity of this story. I'm not defending the Clinton administration, I'm merely pointing out that the Fox network, and any other network echoing their approach, is wasting our time badgering past officials when far worse is going on right under our noses.

Ignoring Bush's blatant transgressions while vigorously chasing down Clinton's (he's not president anymore) just makes them look like vindictive and partisan lackeys, not to mention eager vendors of propaganda. Go Democracy!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:47 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

And I actually thought this was going to be about Bush. How thilly of me.

Well, the Select Committee On Intelligence and the Bulter Report are each over 500 pages.
I'd better get reading. After all, the 9/11 Commission Report is coming out Thursday. AHHH ! (rubs hands) Fresh meat. REAL information.

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