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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Who are you or anybody else to decide that for them?"

I think any sport that routinely results in brain damage should be banned in elementary, middle, and high schools. After that, whatever people chose to do is fine with me.

But it seems crazy to me that people are being permanently brain damaged just so some Joe Sixpack can get his steam up on a sunday with his beer and chips and buds, and turn off the tv and forget about it till the next game. Sheesh. Talk about life being cheap. We might as well have a sport where people play Russian Roulette.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack - I edited out that part and I apologize for it. It was unnecessarily personal. I also added that if kids want to do that to themselves, or each other, that's on them. But we as a society shouldn't be paying for 100% of them to get provably damaged through official school auspices.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Who are you or anybody else to decide that for them?"

I think any sport that routinely results in brain damage should be banned in elementary, middle, and high schools. After that, whatever people chose to do is fine with me.

But it seems crazy to me that people are being permanently brain damaged just so some Joe Sixpack can get his steam up on a sunday with his beer and chips and buds, and turn off the tv and forget about it till the next game. Sheesh. Talk about life being cheap. We might as well have a sport where people play Russian Roulette.

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I can see that argument, but the truth is that we have those sports and kids still do their own back yard wrestling. We banned cigarettes for minors and weed was illegal everywhere, yet kids have always smoked both and they're doing meth all over the country.

Kids are going to find plenty of ways to handicap or kill themselves. Intentional or not. With the potential of actually making a life or getting a free ride to college or not. Whether we like it or not.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I've never been up in the air in a hot air balloon. I know absolutely nothing about it.

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Generally speaking, potential Pilots are assessed regarding their flying aptitude.
Not so hot, you get helicopters. Rotary wing.
Better, you get cargo planes, like C-130, C-5, etc. Fixed wings.
Better, you get assigned to Bombers. Fixed wings, but more finesse than cargo.
The best, you get assigned Fighter Jets to Pilot. Categorized as Fixed wing, but can be Delta wing (extended for subsonic flight and landing, tucked in for supersonic flight in Interceptor mode).

Fighter Jets do mid-air combat against other aircraft, dogfights. If Bombers or Cargo birds have air-to-air weaponry, it is really only defensive.
In Top Gun, it was all about Dog-Fighting. In the F-14 Tomcat Delta wing fighter.

In Dog-Fighting, it is all about the superior performance of the bird and Pilot. The Pilot who can pull tighter Gs in a turn can prevent the enemy behind from achieving Missile-Lock on him, and also can achieve Missile-Lock on the enemy when pursuing. The Pilot with the better performance is usually the winner and lives for another fight. The second-best performance of the 2 combatants will lose, ending their flight, usually their plane, and often their life.

So the ability to pull Gs is critical. Pulling Gs drains blood from your head, making thought more difficult, but also taking away your vision. Fighter pilots maintain fitness regiments to keep their cardiovascular system adequately supporting their mission, to achieve higher Gs. Most Fighter birds in the world in the 1980s could pull more G's with the airframe uncompromised than the humans in the cockpit could withstand without Loss-of-Consciousness.

Men and women. The center of gravity for human males is in the chest, the torso. The center of gravity for human females is in the hips. This is physiology, despite feminist claims that men and wymmin are exactly the same.
For men, the brain is about a foot above the heart, and the center of blood pool. For women, the brain is also about a foot above the heart (pump), but more like 2-3 feet from the center of blood pool, which is where the heart is accustomed to pumping the majority of the blood. This is a distinct disadvantage in the skills, abilities, performance of a Fighter Pilot, for women compared to men.
In a contest where one wins and lives, and the 2nd place combatant dies. In the 1980s, guess how many Air Wings in the World had female Fighter Pilots. In the 1990s, guess how many Nations in the World had Female Fighter Pilots. So every single enemy combatant of the female Fighter Pilot would be a male, requiring less effort to achieve superior performance and defeat the female.

SJWs should petition to have combat be an equal opportunity experience, as I'm sure all Agressor Nations would comply.


Also, for every female filling a Fighter Pilot Seat, another male is not filling that Seat. If you were staffing your Combat Unit for War, would you logically select the lesser capable individuals, so that your Unit and all its assets will lose? Instead of selecting all of the most capable, the most competent combatants available?


So, is "Elite Female Fighter Pilots" a joke? Let along an entire Squadron of them?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know the answer to the question. You're not wrong. I'm not denying the science behind this. But ...

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you can't deny the science behind the reasoning that people use when they choose to do these things

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or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.

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I'm sure for the kids, the potential to be famous and have a lot of money is a factor, but I think most of them would do it just because it's fun. Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.

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I brought up the billionaires just as an example of why these sports will never go away. It's not just the billionaires making money here. Eliminating football up through high school would negatively impact the lives of so many people all the way down to the hot dog and beer vendors.

... why people are so entertained by these things, I couldn't personally say. ... If you eliminate these sports, you also eliminate the catalyst of whatever chemical neuron-firing reward mechanism millions of people enjoy while rooting for their favorite teams or players.

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At the end of the day, I take a pretty nihilistic approach to this, as I do with most things. Sure... they're kids. But so what? Most adults suck. Kids are just future adults that are most likely going to suck. Maybe if I had a kid of my own I'd be put in the hypocritical spot of caring about an individual more than I do the collective, but I don't.

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I don't know the answer to the question. You're not wrong. I'm not denying the science behind this. But ...

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As I was taught in English class, of all places ... 'yes but' is the same as 'no'.

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you can't deny the science behind the reasoning that people use when they choose to do these things

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What science is that?

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or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.

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What science is that?

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I'm sure for the kids, the potential to be famous and have a lot of money is a factor, but I think most of them would do it just because it's fun. Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.

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But we're not talking about things kids choose to do on their own because it's fun.

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We're talking about brain damaging things ADULTS want kids to do, things ADULTS pay for kids to do, for their own ADULT entertainment and their own ADULT business reasons.

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As you state below:

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I brought up the billionaires just as an example of why these sports will never go away. It's not just the billionaires making money here. Eliminating football up through high school would negatively impact the lives of so many people all the way down to the hot dog and beer vendors.

... why people are so entertained by these things, I couldn't personally say. ... If you eliminate these sports, you also eliminate the catalyst of whatever chemical neuron-firing reward mechanism millions of people enjoy while rooting for their favorite teams or players.

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As you seem to understand we come to every topic with our own lifetime of history.

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At the end of the day, I take a pretty nihilistic approach to this, as I do with most things. Sure... they're kids. But so what? Most adults suck. Kids are just future adults that are most likely going to suck. Maybe if I had a kid of my own I'd be put in the hypocritical spot of caring about an individual more than I do the collective, but I don't.

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My experience is having really, really bad ADHD and all the crap that comes with it. So when I look at children, I understand that IF they COULD do better, they WOULD do better. Because there's no percentage in constantly being castigated, isolated, and punished (even beaten) for failure to conform. I feel I understand that it's also inherently difficult, stressful, and lonely when your brain just doesn't work well, because even basic functions like sensory processing can be taxing and deficient. I don't wish that on any child.

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Maybe your lifetime history doesn't include that concept. Perhaps you wrote off your brother's issues early on and just never revised your response to that. And so you write brain damage off easily in others, like it's no big deal. (Even though you complain that schools don't teach kids about money, a far less severe shortcoming, imo.)

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But causing lifelong brain damage in kids for adult amusement and adult profit to me is an unacceptable cost to those children, for completely mercenary adult reasons.

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As for adults, most here in the US are pretty banged-up emotionally and intellectually, if not also physically by the time they grow up. If you were to meet the adults (and perhaps even children) of other countries that do a better job caring for their people instead of using them up for profit then tossing them on the garbage heap, you might revise your opinions on them as well.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Can you provide links to your meth sporting leagues, or Meth championships, or Meth wagering pools?
How is Meth scored? If you live, you win?

Can you provide links to your Cocaine sporting leagues, or Cocaine championships, or Cocaine betting pools? How to score - if you live that round, you win that round? Or is it the total number of hits before you die or become paralyzed?

How does that work?
How does that compare to Professional Sporting Events?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You seem to come at this issue from a very biased place

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Most of us don't get the privileges of the academic good life that you had growing up.

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A use of "but" that doesn't mean no

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know what the name of it is, but there is science behind it.
I illustrated the "science" behind it in the rest of my post.
Like pretty much anything else, there is a science behind it.
or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.
Also see the previous post where I mention whatever reward* giving, neuron* firing* pleasure mechanisms that come with rooting for your favorite team or athlete while watching your favorite sport.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Kid's smoke because it's fun. Also, arguably, because they're not supposed to. The same with drugs.
You're not the arbiter of what is and what is not fun. Fun is a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
most kids just play because they enjoy playing.
I think most of them would do it just because it's fun.
Kids (and some adults) enjoy playing sports. Even the ones that can cause brain damage. Why?
Kids and adults enjoy watching sports. The more dangerous ones arguably being more popular than the less dangerous ones. Why?
I knew plenty of kids who loved playing football when I was a kid, and I can say the same for some kids I know today. I also know kids who did back then and did today, even though both of their parents were against it from the start.

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considering it all to be in the name of selfish adults and God Money.
You seem to be saying that kids... are forced into playing them by evil adults for profit.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I brought up the billionaires just as an example of why these sports will never go away. It's not just the billionaires making money here. Eliminating football up through high school would negatively impact the lives of so many people all the way down to the hot dog and beer vendors.

... why people are so entertained by these things, I couldn't personally say. ... If you eliminate these sports, you also eliminate the catalyst of whatever chemical neuron-firing reward mechanism millions of people enjoy while rooting for their favorite teams or players.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Most adults suck. Kids are just future adults that are most likely going to suck.
Who would? I don't like most kids, and I don't like most adults. I don't go around wishing they get brain damage for yucks though.

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KIKI - But causing lifelong brain damage in kids for adult amusement and adult profit to me is an unacceptable cost to those children, for completely mercenary adult reasons.
Jack - Fallacy.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't speak for other countries, but most of us here would be beat up emotionally, intellectually and physically when we were adults anyhow. and are destined to work shitty jobs for shitty wages and live our shitty lives.

I really don't understand how playing make believe that the world is a nice place for everybody and lying to future adults for the first 18 years of their lives is constructive or helpful for the mostly bleak future that a majority of them will have lying in wait once that 18th birthday has passed them by.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
"Who are you or anybody else to decide that for them?"

I think any sport that routinely results in brain damage should be banned in elementary, middle, and high schools. After that, whatever people chose to do is fine with me.

But it seems crazy to me that people are being permanently brain damaged just so some Joe Sixpack can get his steam up on a sunday with his beer and chips and buds, and turn off the tv and forget about it till the next game. Sheesh. Talk about life being cheap. We might as well have a sport where people play Russian Roulette.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You really don't understand sports if you think this is all, " just so some Joe Sixpack can get his steam up on a sunday with his beer and chips and buds." That's an incredibly simple sub 80 IQ view of the subject. The athletes live for this. It is their whole lives, and by now all of them know the risks in a much more profound way than any of us can.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tackle football IN SCHOOL would not exist without A LOT of school and parental involvement. The uniforms, the stadia, the coaching staff, the buses, the cheerleaders ... the fundraisers, the ticket sales, the tax money ... SCHOOLS spend more on football than any other program.

School football isn't just kids getting together to play. It's organized, well-funded, and high up on the ADULT hierarchy which puts it high up on the CHILD hierarchy because kids have an unerring way of sussing out what gets the the most rewards and attention.

And then there is the high school to college scholarship pipeline (most of those scholarshops have nothing to do with scholasticism and everything to do with building a winning team) and the college to pro pipeline, where most will wash out after a year, but an even greater precentage will have some brain damage from having played tackle football.

Is that something we want to fund and organize?

I "get" that some kids may find playing football fun. Some kids like to be really physical, and football is an interesting combination of doing your physical best in a team that has highly specialized positions, and with some risk and aggression involved (some kids love risk and/or aggression) ... but there are other team sports like basketball and soccer (no heading) or individual sports like gymnastics (have you ever tried it? It's very demanding) that can fill the need for team or solo activity.


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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yanno what though. Good luck to you in tearing the system down.

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I hope you succeed. Because I don't give a shit about these sports at all.

Maybe then, we'll find out about that "science" you claim I'm making up that you didn't bother looking into. Yanno, when millions of people don't get that daily or weekly hit from their football games and various other sports, maybe we'll just see more aggressive behavior in the streets to burn off all that extra energy instead.

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Until then, keep on living with the blinders on, and worrying about the stupid kids.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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My POINT is, there's more money there than anywhere else in the schools.

So... just like our never-ending involvement and wars in the Middle East, it ain't going anywhere. So you better learn to enjoy it or figure out how to ignore it, Ms. Nanny State.

Have fun arguing about it. I've already given this topic, which holds very little personal interest to me, far too much of my time.

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And my POINT regarding that is you're going to have a bunch of adults who play like kindergarteners if they don't play until they're old enough to be pros.

Nobody is going to want to see that.

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All the Nanny-State-Ism in the world hasn't kept kids from smoking.

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There's no way in hell that it's going to end Football either. Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sorry if I'm being a dick again here. Rough day....

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Just as many kids are vaping today as smoking yesterday.

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The "deaths" are bullshit too. Don't buy shady cartridges from China that are stuffed with oil your lungs can't process and you won't die (immediately) from vaping.

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Okay. But you are arguing that lax state laws lead to a lot of children getting addicted to vaping.

I'd like you to explain how that is possible? Are you alleging that smoke shops and gas stations were selling them directly to minors?

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I can't imagine a single scenario where this would occur, since every person selling them was federally regulated to card minors when selling any smoking products and risked their jobs as well as heavy personal fines and fines to the businesses they work for when caught selling to a minor, which used to happen all the time but doesn't anymore.

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My point here is the kids are going to do whatever the hell that they want to do, whether you like it or not. In this case, not only have they been led to believe that vaping is a healthier alternative to smoking, but more importantly it's cheaper to vape than it is to smoke cigarettes because of the insane taxes. If cigarettes were still cheaper, they'd likely still be smoking them over vaping. Raising the price of vaping would probably just lead kids back to smoking cigarettes.

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You haven't proven me wrong either.

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if you ban all football until kids are 18

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If you take football and other sports you take issue with away from them

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Yanno what though. Good luck to you in tearing the system down.

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(But we're not talking about things kids choose to do on their own because it's fun.) We aren't? Says who?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know what the name of it is, but there is science behind it.
I illustrated the "science" behind it in the rest of my post.
Like pretty much anything else, there is a science behind it.
or the science behind why folks find these things so entertaining either.
Also see the previous post where I mention whatever reward* giving, neuron* firing* pleasure mechanisms that come with rooting for your favorite team or athlete while watching your favorite sport.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe then, we'll find out about that "science" you claim I'm making up that you didn't bother looking into. Yanno, when millions of people don't get that daily or weekly hit from their football games and various other sports, maybe we'll just see more aggressive behavior in the streets to burn off all that extra energy instead.
Until then, keep on living with the blinders on, and worrying about the stupid kids.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Most of us don't get the privileges of the academic good life that you had growing up.

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What narrative is that?

What horse do you think I have in this race?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
you're the smartest person here and always right.

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