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The Fall of Kabul ...and USA's withdrawal from Afghanistan?

POSTED BY: JAYNEZTOWN
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:05
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Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:05 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I will start a new thread here
a new post on this topic, maybe even update it with current news
I hope Americans and US Troops and other international medics and others get back safe
but think its time to start a new thread and give credit to old posters on the whole never ending 'War on Terror' debate.
Biden will end a long war but maybe could have listened to warnings


The moslims Stone People to Death, they kill their own kind if they themselves question that mohammed had some kind of magical talking donkey with the mouth of a human, the Yafur or Ufayr, the magic 'Donkey' or Ass or Mule of their so called Prophet ...
...if you question this Donkey Story and say its not true, these are not facts ...the moslims can go psycho crazy!
Question the Donkey story and they go batshit insane and run around in an orgy of killing and rioting





This firefly site is old, it has a lot of posts about a fictional tv show and general scifi and fantasy
and so is islam, islam is old much older. It is a stupid 1400 years old story, islam is also sometimes fiction and it is old nonsense...the difference is nobody will attack and murder you if you say a Superman movie sucks or murder you for being critical of a tv show like Stargate or murder someone for giving a bad review for a scifi or Tv SoapOpera or fantasy book, nobody int he West riots and kills if someone says Captain Marvel is stupid.

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Afghanistan was once Buddhist, Greek and Hindu and had other pagan cultures before it fell to islam and became part of an islamist occupation of non-moslem lands
Most people in Afghanistan will now pray to the 1400 yr old terrorist pedophile warlord camel jacker called mohammed
they will also pray to that demonic babylon Moongod called al-Lah
a number of religions practiced in old Afghanistan were many, including Zoroastrianism, Surya worship, the Hindu Kush, was Rome and Chinese culture and pagan Greek and did not fall until the 19th century, for a while it was 'British'.
The largest Buddha statues in the world on the ancient silk road that connetced Egypt and China, Greece and the Far East, Rome plus the Middle East and Asia, Buddhas of Bamiyan. Buddhism was widespread in the region before the Islamic conquest of Afghanistan, these ancient statues survived until 2001, when they were destroyed by the Taliban RamadzanRagheads. In this and other key places in modern islamist Asscrackistan, archaeologists have located great anicent Afghanistan frescoes, stucco decorations, statuary, and rare objects from as far away as China, Phoenicia, and Rome, all buried into the dust and sands of islam, ancient objects which were crafted as early as the 2nd century, old Hindu India's Maurya Empire nomadic old Persian, explorers from Greece and Rome, Yuezhi trade by the Chinese, Alexander the Great of Macedonia, old Pre islamic Persia Iranian people the Sasanians and diggings and findings bear witness to the influence of these ancient civilizations upon Afghanistan.



This site even pre-dates firefly...but i guess we are not fanatics, it could have been for any show and we still openly discuss other shows.
it could have even become a website for Andromeda fans or fans of Stargate and Farscape...who do you think wrote this -

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Originally posted by H---- :
I'm a big time Scaper. IMHO, it's probably the best sci-fi series on television.



Arabia wasn't always jihad and islamism and it was not always horror, there are lots of stories that happened in Pre-islamic Arabia
...however Arabia fell to the islamist jihadis and the occupation of islam




There was something that offened them all, sometimes it was a Pop Song or a Cartoon or a movie clip called "Muhammad Movie Trailer" or Innocence of Muslims.

After hearing about runmors about cartoons or someone dropping a Quran the muslims, Afghans and otehr jihads go out and riot and burn and chop each other's heads off for their dead pedophile terrorist prophet. The uploading of a comedy troll film, a dumb historical inspired film leads to protests led to hundreds of injuries and over 50 deaths. This is a movie that desribes the life of Muhammad in a reallty goofy way, the founder of islam is seen speaking to the donkey known as Yahfur in Islamic tradition.
In the West people watch hand pained toons and CGI animations like Disney and Pixar and Dreamworks, movies like 'Shrek'.
People can openly watch and dicuss other ideas, people in the West don't really go around killing each other over 'blasphemy'.
However in muslim land, they went back to the Stone Age and they murdered each other over a movie that featured a Talking Donkey!!
It goes on to correctly suggest that Muhammad was a rapist, pedophile, homosexual, and supported religious persecution, and describes how these actions were written in the Quran or Koran and these pro-jihadi terrorist stories and contributed to the buildup of Jihad and Islamist terrorist attacks.
The islamics they can announce death sentences for anyone that offends islamics, that is Sharia Law.

Terrorism isn't just a Jihad vs America or British vs Muslim Empire thing, the islamics bomb people in the Philippines, they bombed Argentina in 1994 attacking an Israeli embassy I believe killing 85 people and injuring hundreds of locals from Argentina. The bombing is Argentina's deadliest terrorist attack to date. the jihads they massacre people in Africa and Thailand and other parts of Asia....every where islam goes these islamic problems come with it.

In a ways this is maybe a spiritual chronological battle, something of an ancient timeless almost dimensional war of realm like you might find in a sword and spells story books. The scifi toon, the fantasy film and book of witch and warhammer and wizard fantasy novel or scifi books crossing areas of minds. This is a war that cross the times, some similar thing might be discribed in science fiction with timeless planets. Maybe the way the politics is set up is wrong maybe the way the 'game' is played is wrong, could we be looking at it the wrong way?...
So was the USA tricked into some of these battles and wars, pushed the wrong way by war monger merchants who only wanted profit, is there something inside the mohammedan and this vedic babylon Moongod of murder, rape and death a god called al-Lah that crosses time... does this god fear the Magical power of Cartoons and vids like the 'Innocence of Muslims' ... Ed Wood monty python style film shorts that added up to a 14-minute video and a really bad B-movie
The USA is so fucking insane it was even going to arrest these dumb kids and their stupid film and throw them to the islamists, Susan Rice and other political elites blaming guys posting on youtube for the mess of Libya?
and maybe America has not truly understood how to fight these battles, these religious social confrontations, these long wars?...Susan Rice, Obama, Hillary, Sarkozy, David Cameron a guy who put hs penis into a pig at some drunken drugged up frat party....they say these are the kinds of stupid that now lead Western Civilisation?
America does so much better when it is lead by wiser stronger people, when it can go into fast, hit hard and quick and be back home after, troops back after a few years, 3 years is long enough for US troops to be in battle. It can build up a country, it did nation building very well with Germany and Japan but for some reason Afghanistan has become the impossible?

There are people today aged 21, 22 year old and more, Americans, Canadias, French, Aussies, British who don't remember that day when America was attacked by terrorist hijackers. After 911 the plan was to go into Afghanistan and hunt down, kill or bring to justice the members of Al Qaeda, it was said the mohammedan islamist jihadis known as the Taliban were hiding bin Laden. Reports since say most hijackers were Saudi but some also from UAE, Egypt, Lebanon. The hijacking attackers in a ways came from within America's immigration system, a Virginia jihadi Islamic Center two lived in San Diego, some trained at Florida flight schools, there were connections to NYC. With bin Laden dead and Biden commited to pulling out from Afghanistan, this war is finally coming to an end.
It is possible that local people on the ground in Afghanistan, occupied by islamism and jihadist law, a place of almost constant war might not even have known what America was, where the USA was before 911.


President Joe Biden briefed on Kabul situation, ISIS threat
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-briefed-kabul-situation-isis-130240613.ht
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they say Al-Qaeda are also out of the jails

Biden expected to decide on withdrawal extension soon as leaders prepare for G7
https://www.theguardian.com


Joe Biden on brink as Kamala Harris tipped to take over as US President
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1481062/joe-biden-kamala-harris-a
fghanistan-august-31-deadline-donald-trump-kabul


Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden: How four presidents created today's Afghanistan mess
https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/bush-obama-trump-biden-how-four
-presidents-created-todays-afghanistan-mess/article_d141af37-f20c-51e4-afd0-2a84091979f3.html

Tony Blair: Afghanistan war 'wasn’t a hopeless endeavour'
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-08-21/blair-we-have-moral-obligation-to-
stay-in-afghanistan-until-all-are-evacuated


and maybe I should quote some browncoat firefly posts from the last thread and other debates :

Nobody told Bush Jnr about the Soviet failure to put Afghanistan into a USSR Empire or that Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan?
I think Iran has already opend trade with the islamist jihadis, direct trade with Mohammedan Talibans
Reports say ISIS and Al-Qaeda got broken out from Afghan jails


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Originally posted by CatPirate:
That is bullshit. Look the taliban what is left is in Pakistan.



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Originally posted by Kwicko:
As one of the mujahideen once told a Westerner...

"This is Afghanistan. You in the West have the watches; we have the time."





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Originally posted by THG: The US is likely to maintain a shadow military and intelligence presence in Afghanistan even after it withdraws its ground troops


different thread with similar debate
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Irangate, drug running Contras and the Iranian hostage crisis


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Albania, the Turkish Empire and old invasions of Europe, are the Clintons Serbia's Most Hated Couple?


Why has some much culture and land got occupied, the islamist occuptation of non-moslem lands. Is the Jewish Lobby truly the 'Greatest Ally' and so why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally some in America Asking about the Dual-Citizen and Israeli and that role, what happened to the French in Lebanon, the Paris of the Middle East and why is Constantinople Occupied by the Turkish?.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

but remember, afghanistan, where empires go to die

keep the shiny side up



Foreign Lobby powers, the War monger merchants from Europe, Arabia and other places?
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
silence from the West on the mahommedan Saudi and especially in relation to the role of Pakistan within Afghanistan?
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I don’t often read stories about Israeli atrocities for the same reason, and scratch my head about people who blindly defend Israel, no matter what, for the same reason.





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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


Would-be conquerers come and go, but end of the day, Afghanistan, is Afghanistan.



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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like Vietnam all over again.





if the dimensional timelines were different?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Afghanistan would probably today be a secular nation where women would have CONTINUED to make up 40pct of doctors and lawyers, and a significant pct of engineers, instead of a woman-hating, religiously intolerant, corrupt exporter of heroin.

Come to think of it, the USA has destroyed, or attempted to destroy, ALL of the secular nations of the MENA (Afghanistan, Iran under Mossadegh, Iraq, Libya, Syria). We must have a death wish in that region.






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Originally posted by dmaanlileiltt:
I was saying the United States Of America funded, trained and armed Afghani militia to beat back the Soviet Union.



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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
..
there are more powers on this Earth with a vested interest in us losing than there are with an interest in us winning.



more comments

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Originally posted by second:

?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ghani#Relations_with_Taliban



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Originally posted by second:
The objective was to find Osama bin Laden wherever he was hiding inside Afghanistan.

It was not very odd, but Osama bin Laden was found May 2, 2011 in Abbottabad, Pakistan, because bin Laden was obviously smarter than the Pentagon planners.



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Originally posted by whozit:
We spent years there, it's falling apart in days.



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Originally posted by dreamtrove:


President flees



Afghanistan's Ambassador to Tajikistan, Mohammad Zahir Aghbar, stated that Interpol should apprehend him for embezzling public funds. The Russian embassy in Kabul alleged that Ghani fled with "four cars and a helicopter" full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in. Ashraf Ghani, speaking on 18 August 2021 in UAE, has stated that the accusations are baseless

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

So my question is - are we out of Afghanistan like we were out of Vietnam? Or out of Afghanistan like we were out of Syria?




Other G7 leaders to press Biden to extend Kabul evacuation deadline
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/other-g7-leaders-press-biden-ext
end-kabul-evacuation-deadline-2131741


The Latest: Britain 'not going to get' everyone out of Kabul
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/The-Latest-Australia-evacuat
ed-more-than-1-600-16407292.php


Pressure on Biden amid Kabul airlift chaos
https://www.riverineherald.com.au/world/2021/08/24/4988985/pressure-on
-biden-amid-kabul-airlift-chaos


Joe Biden ramps up evacuations from Kabul
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/joe-biden-ramps-up-evacuations-
from-kabul/news-story/b7c6fc1a920cabce540d5fea5a2066f1


Biden says US-led evacuation from Kabul is accelerating
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/aug/22/biden-says-us-led-evacuation-
from-kabul-is-acceler
/

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

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So why this chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season?





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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Fuck the never-ending war. Stop meddling with other people's affairs and giving shit away for free.



This is an older website, "Firefly" came out in 2002, at one time this place was an Andromeda fan forum... before the attacks on that day
the same date a long time ago when the Ottomans attacked the Gates of Europe...The Jihad Battles some say the day could have been the 10th or 12th most say it was – 11th of September 1683 same day another religion war from a long time ago... there were scifi fans linked to fireflyfans before 911 happened
the movie Serenity was 2005.
Some posters are here almost since the time of Bush Jnr, some since Obama, some near 20 yrs, they stopped posting a long time ago
I think I will make a thread here and more current but if someone wants to bring up past comments or lesson from the past that's ok

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