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Thank you Hugo!!

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I'm with Signy and Frem, we're gonna shoot at Iran just before elections, 'cause we 'have to', and they'll shoot back.

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Me four. People don't like to change leaders during a war.

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* Out of curiosity I scanned ALL of the major nt'l US news sources yesterday. WashPost, NYTimes, LATimes, CNN, Yahoo, USAToday, Boston Globe, AP. The ONLY story headlined in every one was "Some Liquid Restrictions Lifted". Despite truly vital news such as the leaked intelligence report, ALL the carrriers somehow just happened to headline this trivial item. "Free press". Yeah.

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Thank you Hugo!!

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*Still wanting your head now*

On a lance Chrisisall

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Hey there Big Damn Nothing -

My point was that it didn't deserve to be front-page HEADLINED when there was so much more real news to report.

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And YOUR point was?? Well, nothing comes from a nothing, I guess.

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I am extraordinarily civil to DT, Finn, CTS, Antimason, and PN though I vehemently disagree with almost everything they say. And I also am civil, even friendly, with the many others with whom I disagree on some points and agree on others. Out of all the people I interact with on this board, there are only four I have given my pet names. And not b/c I disagree with them.

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Originally posted by rue:
Then maybe you need to learn how to read.

The question was: "was it my temerity in questioning one of your posts?"

My answer: ".. there are only four to whom I have given my pet names. And not b/c I disagree with them."

Do you see the answer to YOUR question in there? Or will it take heavy duty medication to clear your confusion?

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Originally posted by rue:
I love how you go back and forth between threads, pretending that nothing else has been posted elswhere.

So, here is one:
"The other posters in this thread, in their earnestness, tolerance and CIVILITY actually attempted to interact with him - civilly and coherently, with facts and information. And for their pains they got mocked - by you. Now maybe you see why you are working your way into a pet name."

And another:
"So let's see. What are the rules you made up for me? I can discuss, and you can lie and say I don't. My quips are not civil, but yours are. You can opine, and I can't."

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You wanted my thoughts, I gave them to you.

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Thank you Hugo!!

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Ah, but where is your proof? I will no longer listen to you or your argument unless you can provide a quote or a link . Now where have I heard that argument before?

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MISSION ACCOMPLICED AT ABU GHRAIB: US SOLDIERS ORDERED TO PACK IN ICE, STICK IV IN DEAD POW'S ARM, AND LOAD INTO AMBULANCE, TO PRETEND HE WASN'T TORTURED TO DEATH BY THE JR BUSH WHITE HOUSE

“On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, 202-324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said: 'The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11. The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11'”
—Ed Haas, Muckraker Report, "FBI says, 'No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'," June 6, 2006
www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

Question: "What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?"
George Bush Jr: "Nothing!"
—White House Press Conference

Tony Snow: "I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?"
Dick Cheney: "That's correct. We had one report early on from another intelligence service that suggested that the lead hijacker, Mohamed Atta, had met with Iraqi intelligence officials in Prague, Czechoslovakia. And that reporting waxed and waned where the degree of confidence in it, and so forth, has been pretty well knocked down now at this stage, that that meeting ever took place. So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"While the United States continues to scour Afghanistan for Osama bin Laden, an unidentified Taliban leader said the world's most wanted man is dead and buried, a news report said on Tuesday. Bin Laden died "a peaceful natural death" from serious lung complications in mid-December in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains, according to the unidentified Taliban member. Bin Laden was laid to rest with military honours with about 30 close al-Qaeda associates and Taliban friends attending the funeral."
—Sapa-DPA, "'I attended Osama Bin Laden's funeral,", December 25, 2001
www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw100928556223B212

"The Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported."
—World Tribune, "Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen," October 16, 2002
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/

"The US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead."
—BBC News, "Bin Laden 'probably' dead," 18 July 2002
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."
— WhiteHouse.gov, September 911 Surprise - Episode 2

www.september911surprise.com

"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
—George Bush Jr, March 13, 2002

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon (video)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&frien
dID=98629970

"A CIA agent allegedly met with suspected terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden in July, while the Saudi underwent treatment for kidney problems at an American hospital in Dubai, France's Le Figaro newspaper reported Wednesday. Bin Laden reportedly checked into the American Hospital Dubai, a 100-bed, acute-care general hospital, July 4 and stayed until July 14. Besides a stream of local dignitaries and family members, bin Laden's visitors included a local CIA agent, the newspaper reported. The agent was widely recognized locally, Le Figaro said, and later told several friends of the meeting. Le Figaro said bin Laden had serious kidney problems, and reportedly had a dialysis machine imported to Afghanistan last year. Citing a March 2000 report by Asia Week, the newspaper said bin Laden's illness stemmed from 'a renal infection that has spread to the liver, and needs specialized treatment.'"
—Elizabeth Bryant, UPI, "Bin Laden treated at US hospital," October 31, 2001

“The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons. I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them."
—Usama bin Laden, Ummat, BBC Monitoring Service, "Usama bin Laden Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11 Attacks," September 28, 2001

PENTAGON'S DECLASSIFIED OPERATION NORTHWOODS, SIGNED BY ZIONIST JEWISH GENERAL LYMAN LEMNITZER, CHAIRMAN, US JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, TO HIRE ENEMY SOLDIERS TO ATTACK USA:
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/piratenews-org-james-banford-operat
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CONVICTED FELON SGT GRAINER: "MISSION ACCOMPLICED AT ABU GHRAIB!"

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Their goal is to destroy anything resembling a reasonable debate, or sharing of opinions by reducing it to he-said-she-said flamefests, Rue.

Don't play into it - in thread after thread they demolish the thread's integrity, drive folk from the conversation, and more or less prevent us from discussing ANYTHING without devolving it to this - which is why I call them what they are.

Trolls.

The whole GOAL is to prevent any reasoned discussion of anything, thus preventing us from using this board at all, while banging their loud little drums and cranking out sock puppets so it looks like there's more than the puny two or three morons who hold, or even pretend to hold (cause they seem to change rather rapidly) certain beliefs, social, political, or religious.

So for every thread that devolves into nothing more that trollpost-response-trollpost-response and veers away from the topic into this garbage, it reduces our signal to noise ratio by just that much, which is their entire intent in the first place.

Just pay them no damn mind unless (and sometimes they do) they say something halfway intelligent, and every time they start playing games, just give em the verbal cold shoulder.

They WANT to drag folk into these back and forths because it destroys the original topic and all discussion more or less stops.

Treat them like the trolls they are.

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If speaking my mind automatically makes me a troll then so be it.
....is it not reasonable for me to ask why?

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There's a widespread belief that the Bush administration deliberately manipulated oil prices down ahead of mid-term elections, by suddenly softening its line on Tehran, for example. What drove prices up in the first place was fear - fear about a clash with Iran and the spread of war to other oil producers in the Middle East. Expect such fears to be stoked again after the elections. - Michael T Klare

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Fifty five percent of what you pay for a gallon of gas is tied directly to the price of crude oil. Refining, distribution (and marketing) and taxes each make up roughly fifteen percent. So for every dollar that a barrel of oil moves, up or down, gasoline prices should move about three cents.

Back in July, both crude oil and gasoline hit their highest recorded prices. Gas was averaging about three dollars a gallon. By mid-September, oil had dropped about fifteen bucks a barrel. So gas should have dropped about forty five cents a gallon. But actually dropped fifty cents a gallon, and more since then.

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U.S. crude fell 44 cents to close at $61.01 a barrel...

Oil prices have had their steepest decline since the Gulf War in 1991, falling from July's peak of $78.40 a barrel...

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There's a widespread belief that the Bush administration deliberately manipulated oil prices down ahead of mid-term elections, by suddenly softening its line on Tehran, for example. What drove prices up in the first place was fear - fear about a clash with Iran and the spread of war to other oil producers in the Middle East. Expect such fears to be stoked again after the elections. - Michael T Klare

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Hey Rue,
While I agree that the strife in the Middle East has a large impact on the price of oil, Do not forget the other variables involved. Oil prices have also gone down because of the less stormy hurricane season which is being forecasted. I believe BP has reopened their supply lines or at least portions of them after the maintenance work which will also drop the price due to increased supply. There are also forecasts of a more temperate winter which again drops the price due to decreased demand. Perhaps during the last spike in oil prices, a large number of SUV owners saw the writing on the wall and decided to do away with their gas guzzlers therefore decreasing demand. Prices normally drop after the end of the summer driving season as well. And there is always the impact on the price of oil based on OPEC increasing or decreasing their output.
So with all of these other factors involved, it seems to me that perhaps the current Administration might not have as much to do with the falling price of oil as you would like to portray.

I will have to go through your last extensive post to me before responding or not. Not to say that I do not appreciate the time and effort which you obviously put into it to...?

Posting to stir stuff up.

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I thought it was already common knowledge that the Saudi's do not want Dems to win fearing higher taxes on energy, as a result have picked up production. I am pretty sure I heard this on NPR a couple weeks back. The price will rise again after the election, prompting screams of I told you so, because the north will begin to turn on their heaters. Hugo must be pissed.

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You're already seeing resistance to striking Iran from military folks and intelligence agencies. That's why the budget fiasco on Iraq, the report from 15 intelligence agencies saying Iraq was a mistake, and generals flat-out asking for Rummmie's head on a platter. They stuck to their remits on Iraq, and look where that got them. I think they're going as "all out" as a bureaucracy trained to obedience can go. (I trust I don't have to link this? If I do, let me know.)

There is deep internecine warfare going on between the CIA and the WH. The CIA has been basically dismantled. Why do you think "kneecapper" Armitage leaked Plame's name to the world? http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/091406Parry.shtml Now the CIA is blind to Iran's plans. Armitage is NOT a bland bureaucrat. He was a point man in Vietnam and loved it. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2021640.cms He's been breaking kneecaps ever since- AFAIK most recently in Pakistan. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215820,00.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage

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Jesse Ventura Highlights Government Plan To Attack U.S. Cities & Kill Americans


TX guber candidate Kinky Friedman and dreadlocked Governor Mayor Assassin Jesse Ventura

Video Interview: Cites Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, JFK assassination, NORAD stand down as reasons to question official 9/11 story

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In a sit-down video interview recorded on Monday night, former Minnesota Governor, pro-wrestling star and actor Jesse Ventura told radio host Alex Jones he found it very disturbing in light of what happened on 9/11 that the U.S. government had once planned to "attack certain cities within the United States," as a pretext for war.

Ventura was in Texas doing media events in support of independent Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman. In this explosive interview Ventura sounds off on a number of controversial subjects and the direction in which America is heading.

"In the early sixties the Pentagon had an operation called Operation Northwoods and it never came to reality but it was on the table that our military would attack certain cities within the United States and make it look like Cuba did it to justify an invasion of Cuba," said Ventura.

Operation Northwoods:
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1


www.emperors-clothes.com/images/north-8.htm

"It never happened but just the simple fact that they contemplated it and it was actually on the table in the Pentagon I find that just very disturbing - that they would even consider using our military to try to justify an invasion of another country."

Ventura, a former Navy Seal, then cited the Gulf of Tonkin cover-up as an example of how false provocations are staged by governments to lead nations into war.

"It was very disappointing to believe in your country that they would lie to you to get into a war - that they would perpetrate a lie and that the media would go along with it - it's a real eye opener and you realize that if they would do it in the sixties they'll do it again - and if it works once it will work again - government very much operates that way," said Ventura.

Ventura said that shortly after he found out the truth behind the Gulf of Tonkin, Robert McNamara paid a visit to Harvard where Ventura was teaching and he had to be "locked up in a room" so that he wouldn't confront McNamara.

Ventura questioned the interception and tracking of Payne Stewart's Lear Jet in October 1999 and compared the incident to the total lack of air defense response on 9/11.

"Where were our planes - when all of this was going on....to my knowledge at no time did we have any fighter planes up in the air - why?"

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Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by a former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro "LJ" Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This has led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.

Mr Chavez worked within CENTCOM, one of the five American regional unified commands consisting of Marines, Navy and air force officers. CENTCOM's area of jurisdiction is in the Middle East, East Africa and Central Asia. CENTCOM has been the main American presence in many military operations, including the Persian Gulf War, the United States war in Afghanistan, and the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Chavez was stationed at CENTCOM's headquarters at MacDill AFB, in Tampa, Florida. His commanding officer was Four Star General Tommy Franks.

Chavez worked in the J6 department that was in charge of all the computer systems, the network backbone of CENTCOM. Chavez ran a team of six soldiers on the helpdesk network side. He was personally responsible for the maintenance of commanding officers computers, including those of General Tommy Franks. He has letters of recommendation from Franks and even went to Franks' house to work on his computers.

That day he was involved with supporting computer equipment being used in the Vigilant Guardian exercise and another exercise based in Egypt. On this day Chavez got to see information that he wasn't supposed to see.

"I was working on psyops commander's computer and next to his PC was a top secret document that was open, his neglect was my ally, I was sitting there working on his computer and was waiting for some patches to download and I look over and I'm reading the document, and it's the off order for the exercise that they are participating in."

Chavez continued:

"So I'm reading this document and it's giving proposed situations for scenarios for this wargame the scenarios include a hijacked plane, most of them were hijacked planes, I saw one that was like a car bomb trying to blow up something, but one of them was a hijacked plane crashing into a nuclear power plant in California, the Sears Tower, the World Trade Center, The Pentagon obviously, the White House, our building was one of the targets as well."

Chavez went on to describe how CENTCOM HQ was being heavily fortified the day before 9/11 and access to the base was restricted to top secret personnel only. This ties in with a declaration of Martial Law by Jeb Bush two days previously throughout the entirety of Florida.

Chavez also described how during the exercises the aerospace grid with "enemy" blips on it has to be piped in to the air traffic controllers of all the airports in the affected area so they know there is a military exercise going on. This ties in with the released NORAD/NEADS and FAA tapes and accounts that are riddled with references to the drills and exercises taking place on 9/11.

The entire riveting interview is freely available online at Prisonplanet.tv now. Please spread this information far and wide.

AUDIO DOWNLOAD:
www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/260906chavez.mp3

www.infowars.net/articles/September2006/260906Chavez.htm

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Citing cover-ups that led to the Vietnam war and the JFK assassination, Ventura stated that it was not "beyond reason to not at least consider that the government certainly would do things like that."

Ventura said that it was via his 25-year research of the Kennedy assassination that he came to learn about the Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods.

"I don't believe for one minute the Warren Commission," said Ventura, asking that if the assassination represented the actions of Lee Harvey Oswald alone why would the information pertaining to it have to be kept secret under national security for 20 years.

"I've been to Dealy Plaza and I don't think he could make the shot," said Ventura, "it was a difficult shot with a target going away from you and dropping and not only that - he had to shoot through a tree."

Ventura said the fact that Oswald was never proven guilty in court of law itself proves he was simply convicted by public and government opinion.

"There's no definitive evidence that he did it in my opinion," concluded Ventura.

Ventura was asked if an exchange of liberty for security was a reasonable price to pay and responded by highlighting the Bush administration's mishandling of the Hurricane Katrina crisis in New Orleans.

"The country can't protect you - you have to protect yourself," said Ventura.

"They had two weeks to prepare for that and couldn't save anybody - how are they going to save you from a terrorist attack," said Ventura, "I don't buy that we're any more safe than we were prior to 9/11."

"It was very interesting that Richard Nixon had the 82nd Airborne in there when the hurricane hit back in the seventies within 24 hours and yet this President didn't do a thing for eight days."

"For people who say well you can't blame President Bush - yes I fully blame him for the hurricane," said Ventura.

"Every time the government tells you they're going to protect you be prepared because you're going to lose your rights," said Ventura, saying that he would prefer dealing with terrorism rather than accepting an erosion of personal liberty.

"These were also the same people that told us there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - so take it with a grain of salt - they were wrong once they could be wrong again."

Ventura said the Democrats and Republicans were destroying the election process and allowing the elections "fall victim to a system of bribery," but blamed the American people for sharing an apathy that means they don't get involved and don't care beyond their own lives. He was also cynical that another investigation of 9/11 would achieve anything.

"Has there ever been a real investigation?," asked Ventura.

Qualifying himself in saying everything was not a conspiracy, Ventura later dismissed the possibility that Senator Paul Wellstone was killed as a result of his plane being sabotaged as "bullsh***t."

However, Ventura was adamant that Americans should never trust their government because "the government is people" and comprises a cross section of society.

www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/270906jesseventura.htm
www.jonesreport.com/articles/270906_ventura_youtube.html
www.startribune.com/587/story/703905.html

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I thought it was already common knowledge that the Saudi's do not want Dems to win fearing higher taxes on energy, as a result have picked up production. I am pretty sure I heard this on NPR a couple weeks back. The price will rise again after the election, prompting screams of I told you so, because the north will begin to turn on their heaters. Hugo must be pissed.

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We don't get to tax the Saudis, Kaneman. It's not part of the US.

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I just looked it up, there is a concern among the Saudi's about Americans cutting back on usage when the price is above a certain threshold(that price was not mentioned..the dems proposed taxes were). The trade paper stated that 20,000+ Americans converted to wood pellet heaters last year, and they project 100,000 homes this year. We are THE huge customer for oil. Drug dealers know that a junkie can only spend so much before looking elsewhere. This did not even consider "alternative" sources of energy.

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Generally speaking, areas that are more isolated from sources of supply outside the region tend to see prices decline less than the national average in times of increased supply. Retail gasoline prices nationally have dropped in large measure due to increased supplies (as a result of high prices earlier in the summer) arriving at the same time as demand started falling for seasonal reasons.

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Whether retail prices on the West Coast and Rocky Mountain regions will see larger price declines than other areas in the weeks to come remains to be seen. Ultimately, local supply and demand conditions will be the key factor in determining how much of a decline will ultimately occur. Depending on where you live, you may have seen a larger or smaller decline than the national average. Nevertheless, everyone has seen a significant drop in retail gasoline prices, which is good news for consumers.

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An OPEC cut might start taking supply off the market just as demand starts to rise. And then a few months down the road as demand rebounds prices will rise. Then we can start the whole price rise cycle once again. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

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You know, I work with people who've maintained all along there will be some huge event - something large enough to declare martial law and to claim authority to cancel elections. They've speculated dirty bombs, anthrax, assassination -
I personally don't hold with this, but it's interesting that highly educated people (people with science PhDs and political connections) do give this credit.

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http://www.fireflyfans.net/replymsg.asp?b=18&t=24230&m=386501
If you LOOK at this chart you'll notice that in Jan 03 there were 22 days of inventory and gasoline was US1.50/ gal, while currently there are 24.5 days of inventory and gas is US2.50/ gal. More gasoline inventory AND 67% higher prices ! Tell me, how do YOU explain that?

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