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War on sickness

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 3:58 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


As I tried to point out, I looked at historical experience. Historically, unregulated medicine failed a long time ago. Socialized medicine has worked well to date.

But you never did respond to my proposal. What about optional government health insurance? (with care directly provided, not as reimbursements to third parties)


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 4:17 PM

SERGEANTX


You're starting from the assumption that unregulated healthcare has been proven a failure. We haven't had anything like unregulated healthcare for over a hundred years. The entire profession was so radically different that long ago that I'm not sure how you can draw any useful conclusions from the 'snake oil' stories. Especially given the fact that the snake oil business is alive and well, if my friends who still watch television ads are telling the truth.

(BTW, I did respond to your previous suggestion. To reiterate, it sounds fine but I just don't see it happening. If it's optional, meaning that it's optional to pay for, than how would that be any different than regular health insurance? Or are you just suggesting that private health insurance companies be replaced by the government?)

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Originally posted by rue:
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There are countless ways patients could assure quality service from doctors without resorting to anti-competitive regulation.



What are they? Without comparative studies done by neutral third parties, all you have is advertising and word of mouth.



I don't mean to be dismissive on this, but the fact that you're assuming there aren't any options besides gov't control perplexes me. It also tells me you're missing my point entirely. What I'm suggesting is people ought to be able to decide for themselves how much risk they find acceptable.

People who can afford doctors with decades of training at the best medical schools can go that route if they choose. But those who can't afford that, the very same people who are now shut out of the system altogether, could search for more cost effective solutions. Right now they aren't allowed to do that. Why not?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Sunday, April 9, 2006 4:54 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


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Originally posted by rue:

"Bioweapon factories are being constructed in every major city." To what are you referring?



So you didn't see this on your local TeeVee news? I guess they were too busy selling paid adverts as fake "news" broadcasts.

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Bioweapon labs will bring threat of lethal viruses to urban America

London Independent
June 29, 2003

In the tiny town of Hamilton, Montana, campaigners worry that they will become a terrorist target if the proposed laboratory goes ahead. In New York State, congressmen have already blocked a proposal to house a laboratory on Plum Island, off Long Island. In Davis, California, home to a major branch of the state university system, activists have sued the university for failing to abide by state environmental regulations in making its application to house nasties ranging from Ebola to hanta virus and tick-borne encephalitis.

This is not just a matter of nimbyism. The protesters cannot understand why they should risk exposure to the tiny clutch of diseases requiring the construction of maximum-security "level 4" biosafety facilities - there are just five of them - when none has any known practical utility as a guerrilla weapon. The diseases the national security people are most worried about - anthrax, smallpox and plague - are either level 2 or level 3, and plenty of laboratories at those levels exist already.

"There is no benefit to our community. Not a single one," said Samantha McCarthy, who is leading efforts against the Davis biolab.

In Davis, in particular, there are serious security concerns. This is a university that managed to spread major contamination in a 1950s experiment to irradiate beavers. The clean-up is still going on. In February, a rhesus monkey used in disease experiments mysteriously disappeared from campus and has never been found. Now, the university is proposing to contract out security for the new biolab to Los Alamos, the nuclear laboratory in New Mexico embroiled in numerous security lapses - most recently when it lost what it called a "small" amount of low-grade plutonium.

According to Ms McCarthy, the biolab plan would entail the transport of highly dangerous materials in and out of town in ordinary lorries - a system that recently brought a Hazmat team out on to a road in Ohio after an explosion involving a lower-grade biological agent.

Most experts agree that the level 4 facilities would probably be pretty safe, since they are made of numerous isolation chambers that researchers would enter in moon-style protective gear. Whether they are suitable for urban areas such as Davis is a matter of debate, however. One biolab designer, Jim Orzechowski of the Canadian firm of Smith Carter Architects and Engineers, told the Los Angeles Times less than reassuringly last week: "We're getting as close to fail safe as possible. As fail safe as the space shuttle." The space shuttle has had two catastrophic failures in 17 years.

The broader question, however, is why these laboratories are being built at all. According to Richard Ebright, professor of chemistry at Rutgers University, it is a matter of crazy bureaucratic logic. Congress flooded the National Institutes of Health with so much money that the NIH simply could not work out how to spend it all on biodefence. Even if the NIH accepted every single research proposal without vetting - something it would never do - and built as many level 2 and level 3 labs as it possibly could, it still would not get through the $6bn. Only super-expensive level 4 labs can do the trick - even though they are of negligible scientific or medical value and do not cover bioweapon agents.

"Not only is this a monumental waste of money," Professor Ebright said, "but the new labs raise their own security issues. And it can't be a good idea to increase the number of people trained in handling these agents given the damage that a rogue scientist could do."

www.infowars.com/print/planned_terror/urban_labs.htm


Dr Len Horowitz and Dr Garth Nicholson write and lecture extensively on this topic. Nicholson's PhD wife Nancy is the daughter of Mobster Lucky "Lucifer" Luciano, who bombed and sank the French ship Normandie in NYC harbor, blamed the Germans, then was hired by US Govt and FBI to "protect" US ports from the German Nazis in WW2. Their book is Project Daylily, about the US Govt's invention of bioweapons to use against USA.
www.tetrahedron.org
www.healingcelebrations.com
www.americanreddoublecross.com
www.projectdaylily.com

Or do a google search.
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Emerging Technologies: Genetic Engineering and Biological Weapons

Briefing Paper - 9 October 2003
Sunshine Project Backgrounder #12

Recreating the Spanish flu: In 1918 and 1919, the so-called "Spanish flu" killed an estimated 20-40 million people worldwide. Just two weeks ago, $15 million was granted by the US National Institutes of Health to Stanford University to study how to guard against the flu virus "if it were to be unleashed as an agent of bioterrorism". Attempts to recover the Spanish flu virus date to the 1950s, when scientists unsuccessfully tried to revive the virus from victims buried in the permafrost of Alaska.[2] In the mid 1990s, Dr Jeffrey Taubenberger from the US Armed Forces Institute of Pathology started to screen preserved tissue samples from 1918 influenza victims. It appears that this work was not triggered by a search for flu treatments, or the search for a new biowarfare agent, but by a rather simple motivation: Taubenberger and his team were just able to do it. In previous experiments they had developed a new technique to analyse DNA in old, preserved tissues and for now looking for new applications: "The 1918 flu was by far and away the most interesting thing we could think of" explained Taubenberger the reason why he started to unravel the secrets of one of most deadliest viruses known to humankind." A sample of lung tissue from a 21-year-old soldier who died in 1918 at Fort Jackson in South Carolina, yielded what the Army researchers were looking for: intact pieces of viral RNA that could be analysed and sequenced. In a first publication in 1997, nine short fragments of Spanish flu viral RNA were revealed (Taubenberger et al. 1997). By 2002, four of the eight viral RNA segments had been completely sequenced, including the two segments that are considered to be of greatest importance for the virulence of the virus: the genes for hemagglutinin (HA) and neuraminidase (NA). In the forthcoming issue of the scientific journal Emerging Infectious Diseases, another article on the Spanish flu DNA sequence will be published (Reid et al. 2003). The project did not stop at sequencing the genome of the deadly 1918 strain. The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology teamed up with a microbiologist from the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. Together, they started to reconstruct the Spanish flu. In a first attempt, they combined gene fragments from a standard laboratory influenza strain with one 1918 gene. They infected mice with this chimera, and it turned out that the 1918 gene made the virus less dangerous for mice (Basler et al. 2001). In a second experiment, published in October 2002 (Tumpey et al. 2002), the scientists were successful in creating a virus with two 1918 genes. This virus was much more deadly to mice than other constructs containing genes from contemporary influenza virus. This experiment is only one step away from taking the 1918 demon entirely out of the bottle and bringing the Spanish flu back to life. The scientists were aware of the dangers of their creation. The experiments were conducted under high biosafety conditions at a laboratory of the US Department of Agriculture in Athens, Georgia. Possible hostile use of their work was an issue considered by the scientists:"the available molecular techniques could be used for the purpose of bioterrorism" (Tumpey et al. 2002:13849). There is no sound scientific reason to conduct these experiments. A resuscitation of the Spanish flu is neither necessary nor warranted from a public health point of view. If Jeffery Taubenberger worked in a Chinese, Russian or Iranian laboratory, his work might well be seen as the "smoking gun" of a biowarfare program.

http://news.phaseiii.org/article4004.html



There are 1,000s of similar articles on the web.

Here's another happy story, hidden in Google cache:

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Living Terror: Lab secrets in dispute

By DEE ANN DIVIS AND NICHOLAS M. HORROCK
United Press International

WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 (UPI) -- A battle between a Texas university and an advocacy group could force a showdown on how much Americans are allowed to know about bioterrorism research in their communities.

The Sunshine Project of Austin, Texas, is seeking the minutes of a key local safety committee that sets and monitors precautions taken during potentially dangerous experiments with recombinant DNA -- artificially created DNA -- often made by splicing together DNA molecules from different organisms.

Such DNA research will play a significant role in roughly $10.5-billion worth of Bush administration programs to develop countermeasures against bioterror weapons. Minutes of the meetings of such committees, called Institutional Biosafety Committees, or IBCs, could provide insight into biodefense research, including the degree of risk involved. The risk information is increasingly important as nearly two dozen new biodefense labs are being built or proposed across the nation -- many of them in the middle of densely populated areas.

One of the organizations proposing a new lab, however -- the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston -- is refusing to release the minutes of its IBC. UTMB-Galveston is the focus of the Sunshine Project request.

Dr. Clarence Peters, director for biodefense at the Center for Biodefense and Emerging Infectious Diseases at UTMB, told United Press International releasing the minutes would violate new privacy and security laws.

"The reason for (refusing to release the minutes) is that we have some new things that have come along since the (National Institutes of Health) guidelines were promulgated. We have the Homeland Security Act, and the Texas Homeland Security Act -- not the same as the federal one -- the USA Patriot Act, the Texas Public Information Act and the Health Insurance Accountability and Portability Act. If you get crosswise of some of those you go to jail."

The minutes and other committee documents are supposed to be public under well-established guidelines issued by the NIH. Those federal guidelines, in place since 1994, apply to any NIH-funded research -- even research funded in part. Every organization doing such research is required to have an IBC. Failure to follow the guidelines potentially could result in the loss of NIH funding -- a very serious prospect because the NIH is a primary sources of research grants.

Peters asserted, however, that UTMB had been told specifically not to release the information by the Texas Attorney General.

Correspondence provided by both the Sunshine Project and UTMB indicates -- although the Attorney General supported UTMB's assertion that the material was exempt from release -- the ruling was not based on security or privacy grounds, but on UTMB claims of exemption under Texas law protecting commercially valuable information.

When asked about this, Peters said security and privacy were issues. "The letter was not a comprehensive letter," Peters told UPI, "if it doesn't mention those issues that's fine."

"When we submit grants to NIH that information is proprietary information," Peters explained. "That is our intellectual capital. We don't give it out regardless of whether it is biodefense or drug development for hepatitis or cardiovascular surgery or anything. That's the way it is done."

Peters insisted the minutes contained personal information, such as vaccination details, and security-related information, such as the locations of biodefense materials, that had to be withheld. He admitted, though, that no information at all had been released from the university's committee meetings.

NIH failed to respond to repeated requests for information on the guidelines and procedures regarding the withholding of funds.

The IBCs are independent from the institutions they monitor and include both technical experts and members of the local community. They review research procedures, staff expertise and follow the progress of projects, reporting any problems. IBCs devise emergency plans and set the level of containment that researchers must use for different research. Containment levels reflect the risk involved in working with viruses, bacteria or toxins. In the case of the most dangerous bioterrorism pathogens -- some of which can cause uncontrollable and untreatable bleeding -- the highest level or Biosafety Level 4 is required.

NIH encourages committees to hold open meetings and says in its guidelines that "upon request, the institution shall make available to the public all Institutional Biosafety Committee meeting minutes and any documents submitted to or received from funding agencies which the latter are required to make available to the public."

The Sunshine Project, a bioweapon watch-dog organization, requested the minutes as part of its efforts to monitor bids by the university for NIH money to build and support a seven-story, high-security laboratory to study vaccines and treatments against bioterror weapons. UTMB has applied to build one of the new National Biocontainment Laboratories and to do research as one of the new Regional Centers of (Biodefense) Excellence. The university recently completed a 2,000-square-foot, BSL 4 laboratory.

Ed Hammond, director of The Sunshine Project filed a request August 4 asking NIH to halt consideration of UTMB -- Galveston for the new contracts.

"We've ask NIAID to suspend consideration of UTMB proposals until OBA completes an investigation and the situation is remedied," Hammond told UPI.

Since the guidelines apply to any NIH-funded DNA work, and not just biodefense work, failure to release the information could place at risk any other NIH money related to recombinant DNA research and maybe even funds for non-DNA work as well.

Whether or not the federal guidelines trump the state law remains to be seen. It would depend on whether the guidelines were adopted as a fully substantive, regulations, said Mark Seidenfeld, an attorney and law professor at the Florida State University College of Law. It would be necessary to look at the history of the regulation and the legal authority behind the regulation to make that determination he said.

Hammond insisted that his organization is not trying to stop defense work but wants to ensure that the work stays defensive and does not slip over into closely related offensive weapons research.

"The Sunshine Project has never opposed UTMB receiving biodefense funds or conducting biodefense research, in principle," said Hammond. "It is only in the past week that we have taken the stance that they should not receive these grants. The reason why is not that we opposed the labs: it has everything to do with issues of transparency and accountability. ... In a broader sense we hope drawing attention to UTMB's failure to comply with the guidelines will send a signal to other institutions that are conducting biodefense research that they need to be transparent in their activities and that there are organizations like mine that are going to be monitoring them."

UTMB is working to clarify the issues said Peters.

"We are talking to our lawyers about this situation, and they will be in contact with NIH, because of the privacy issues ... homeland security issues and Texas law. We will be absolutely in compliance with requirements when this is all sorted out."

www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030806-061348-4757r



As I said, Centers for Disease CREATION, aka "evolution". This is going on all over USA. One little "accident" (on purpose aka Operation NORTHWOODS), and your county goes into lockdown quarrantine. Those who try to "escape" will be SHOT (with bullets), just like in Escape from New Orleans, with cops literally shooting people trying to walk across bridges to exit the flooded city center after Katrina, while police blocked all food and water supplies by rescuers trying to enter the city.

Our town of Knoxville, population 160,000, county population 350,000, got a martial law quarantine a couple of years ago. Total mind-control op, led by our criminal sheriff Tim Hutchison, who has 6 criminal convictions for perjury, rents an airport from a convicted dope dealer for his fleet of black helicopters, steals cars with a convicted cop-killer, etc, etc. The US Army claimed its train derailed, spilling a tanker car with chlorine gas. The TV news announced martial law evacuation of 30,000 residents in an upscale neighborhood, but the little girl announcer was giggling and smirking. When I looked close at the photos of the crash, HOT smoke was RISING to 2,000 feet altitude from HOPPER CARS, NOT from the single tanker car. Chlorine gas does not BURN, so HEAT cannot rise. Chlroine gas would stay low to the ground. It was smoke bombs, as routinely used in military exercises. There were no injuries, and no TeeVee news reporters wore gas masks at the scene. The whole thing was a psyop, to test the gullibility of the sheeple, and the whoreability of the Media Mafia.


US Army robot train allegedly derailed in Knoxville TN 2002
Note that smoke is NOT rising from the tanker car
No reason was ever given for the derailment
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/09/15/knoxville.spill

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America's war on the web

Sunday Herald
Scotland

IMAGINE a world where wars are fought over the internet; where TV broadcasts and newspaper reports are designed by the military to confuse the population; and where a foreign armed power can shut down your computer, phone, radio or TV at will.

In 2006, we are just about to enter such a world. The Pentagon has already signed off $383 million to force through the document’s recommendations by 2009.

Psychological military operations, known as psyops, will be at the heart of future military action. Psyops involve using any media – from newspapers, books and posters to the internet, music, Blackberrys and personal digital assistants (PDAs) – to put out black propaganda to assist government and military strategy. Psyops involve the dissemination of lies and fake stories and releasing information to wrong-foot the enemy.

The US wants to take control of the Earth’s electromagnetic spectrum, allowing US war planners to dominate mobile phones, PDAs, the web, radio, TV and other forms of modern communication. That could see entire countries denied access to telecommunications at the flick of a switch by America.

Freedom of speech advocates are horrified at this new doctrine, but military planners and members of the intelligence community embrace the idea as a necessary development in modern combat.

www.sundayherald.com/54975



I wouldn't believe this either, except I saw too much of this crap in 15 years with the military, and in other personal experiences with govt corruption run amok.

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"Before the time of the genocide of millions known as the Holocaust, the German government established 'euthanasia' programs for handicapped German children and adults. Organized killings of an estimated 70,000 German citizens took place at killing centers and in psychiatric institutions. At the specialized centers, children who were designated by the Reich Committee for euthanasia were killed shortly after arrival by medication or were starved to death. The children's euthanasia program in Germany during the Nazi era is reported to have had its origin in the request by a father of a deformed and retarded child to Hitler to have this child killed. Hitler asked his personal physician to investigate the situation and the child was eventually killed. In 1936-1937, a secret 'Reich Committee for the scientific registering of serious hereditary and congenital illnesses' was established in Hitler's Chancellory. This committee of three drafted a prospective law calling for the 'destruction of life unworthy of life'. Phenobarbital was mixed into the children's food every morning and night until they became unconscious and developed pneumonia. Some were also given injections of morphine and scopolamine. Killing hospitals were set up. The staff selected for killing patients who were unable to work as well as 'patients who caused extra work for the nurses, those who were deaf-mute, ill, obstructive, or undisciplined, and' anyone else who was simply annoying.' From all parts of Germany patients were abducted to be killed. Fraudulent death certificates were prepared. In some clinics, the tensions of the job were soothed by a visit to the wine cellars to mark every fiftieth killing with copious amounts of wine and cider. The doctors sometimes received a 250RM [approximately $800 US] Christmas bonus. Dr. Mootz: 'If the patients were in their right minds and could see through everything, we told them that their health condition had improved in a manner that they only would have to take a cure in order to get discharged. The patients believed us in most cases. I remember that one patient was a strict Catholic and the last day she asked for a priest to get the last sacraments. I remember very clearly and can say with absolute certainty that the priest was informed before the killing and that the patient, who at least that day was completely in her right mind, got the last sacraments from the priest. Young nurses deliberately weren't appointed to participate in the killings because we feared they couldn't be able to keep their mouths shut. The killing of a person is a hard strain on the nerves of the person doing it. It's a fact of experience that medicine doesn't taste good and people generally are not readily prepared to take medicine. The same can be said with regard to injections. Almost all of our patients were scared of injections. I proceeded with a lot of compassion. I had told patients that they would have to take a cure. They were not to be tortured more than necessary.' At the Doctors' Trial in Nuremberg, physicians were convicted of crimes against humanity. The German nurse-historian, Hilde Steppe, has written: 'We have a moral obligation to the millions of victims of National Socialism.'"
—NURSES' PARTICIPATION IN THE "EUTHANASIA" PROGRAMS OF NAZI GERMANY, The Children's Euthanasia Program (under Civil Law)
www.interlog.com/~mighty/essays/nurses.htm



Do a google search on Project Paperclip, when US Govt brought 1,000s of Nazi warcriminals to USA to run bioweapons labs, psychology experiments like MKULTRA "Project Monarch", run CIA/OSS, run NASA.

It makes no sense, until you study sociopathic and psychopathic behavior of serial killers, and even then it still makes no sense to sane people. Serial killers don't practice their "art" on foreigners and "enemies", they cannibalize their neighbors, employees and sexmates. But at least you can start to accept that insanity, and plan accordingly for the current "CIVIL" WAR.


US Gangsta Govt KILLS 100s of Americans with
electroshock for traffic violations
www.rense.com

"I don't trust government. And neither should our citizens."
—US Senator Larry Craig, United States Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, "DOJ Oversight: Terrorism and Other Topics", testimony by US Attorney General John Ashcroft re President George Bush Jr.'s Executive Orders to "legalize torture" of US citizens and refusal to release that memo (felony Contempt of Congress), C-SPAN2, June 8, 2004


"'They're hurting us. Get me out!' The Government was playing with her brain. They opened up her skull and cut into her brain. The only reason you do that is to lobotomize somebody. They did it over, and over..."
-Dr T

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:18 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


SergeantX

"We haven't had anything like unregulated healthcare for over a hundred years." I don't want to point fingers at any particular country, but unregulated medicine is 'alive and well' all around the world. And it works about as well in the modern age as it did back then.

"If it's optional ... than how would that be any different than regular health insurance?" If I'm right, it will be significantly cheaper. And it will be contra-monopoly, which means it will use diagnostic software, computerized record keeping, large-scale efficient protocols, and the power of negotiating for good prices for example. It would also be available to people who are now currently uninsured either b/c they can't afford it or b/c they have pre-existing conditions. (But as I said before, I would not trust this administration w/ govt healthcare under ANY circumstances.)

"gov't control" There are things that belong under government control (assuming the government is not in the pocket of big money). I'll give you a metaphor, and then cite a real world example. Nuclear weapons* are powerful things. You wouldn't want just anybody to have access to them b/c the risk isn't just to that person. Modern medicine is a powerful thing. Antibiotics which are OTC in many countries are fueling the explosion of resistant bacteria. There are many other examples which I can cite; I just don't want to be tedious.

"What I'm suggesting is people ought to be able to decide for themselves how much risk they find acceptable." That's why I suggested making government healthcare optional.

* I wonder if that reference has got me on the list of the minders.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:25 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Nuclear weapons* are powerful things. You wouldn't want just anybody to have access to them b/c the risk isn't just to that person.



I always knew you were a government lackey, Rue.
(Plus: you cheat in virtual fighting!)

Chrisisall, keeping his nukes under the right to bear arms...
*wonders why his cat's hair is all falling out...*

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:39 AM

CITIZEN


Problem with the right to bare arms is what happens in the winter?



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:44 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


ChrisIsAll

I do NOT cheat - I play SMART - stay up late till everyone is gone .....


Still tricksy after all these years

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:45 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"Problem with the right to bare arms is what happens in the winter?" OUCH, groooooaaaaaan


Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:57 AM

CITIZEN


You just wish you thought of it first...

Stays up late and posts bad jokes...
CitizenIsAll Tommy Cooper Style Kung Fu



More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.

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Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:11 AM

CHRISISALL


*Just found out that it is illegal to record events in Massachusetts without written consent of all participants, i.e. no Rodney King-style tapes here.
I moved to a neo-socialist/facist regime (that allows gay marrage- go figure).

Heil Healthcare!

Ack! Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:32 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Percentage of Uninsured Americans Rising By THERESA AGOVINO, AP Business Writer
Wed Apr 26, 12:21 PM ET


The percentage of working-age Americans with moderate to middle incomes who lacked health insurance for at least part of the year rose to 41 percent in 2005, a dramatic increase from the 28 percent in 2001 without coverage, a study released on Wednesday found.

Moreover, more than half of the uninsured adults said they were having problems paying their medical bills or had incurred debt to cover their expenses, according to a report by the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based private, health care policy foundation. The study of 4,350 adults also found that people without insurance were more likely to forgo recommended health screenings such as mammograms than those with coverage, and were less likely to have a regular doctor than their insured counterparts.

The report paints a bleak health care picture for the uninsured. "It represents an explosion of the insurance crisis into those with moderate incomes," said Sara Collins, a senior program officer at the Commonwealth Fund.

Collins said the study also illustrates how more employers are dropping coverage or are offering plans that are just too expensive for many people.

About 45.8 million Americans did not have health insurance in 2004, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The percentage of individuals earning less than $20,000 a year without insurance rose to 53 percent, up from 49 percent in 2001. Overall, the percentage of people without insurance rose to 28 percent in 2005 from 24 percent in 2001.

The study also found that 59 percent of uninsured with chronic conditions such as asthma or diabetes either skipped a dose of their medicine or went without it because it was too expensive. One-third of them

One-third of those in that group visited an emergency room or stayed in a hospital overnight or did both, compared to 15 percent of their insured counterparts.

Collins said those statistics are significant because giving up medicines typically leads to more expensive health problems later. Treating people in expensive settings such emergency rooms places a financial burden on the health care system, she added.

"People not being able to take care of themselves should send out a big red flag," said Collins.

HCA Inc. hoisted a red flag on Tuesday, when the the nation's largest for-profit hospital operator said its earnings fell 8.5 percent in the first quarter after an increase in the uninsured admissions cut into revenue gains. Uninsured admissions rose 13 percent during the quarter, and the company said its provision for "doubtful accounts" rose to $852 million from $683 million a year earlier.

The Commonwealth Fund's study was bolstered by analysis of government data funded and released by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a private organization that provides health care grants.

That study found that cost prevented 41.1 percent of uninsured adults from seeing a doctor, compared to 9.2 percent of individuals with coverage.

Meanwhile, 51 percent of women without health insurance haven't had a mammogram in two years, compared to 22.8 percent of women with insurance.

And 76.3 percent of uninsured men between the ages of 40 to 64 haven't had the PSA test, which detects prostate cancer, in two years. That compares to 52.2 percent of their insured counterparts.

Researchers at the University of Minnesota School of Public Health used data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to reach the study's conclusion.



Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:47 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Many Americans have medical debts, or can't afford insurance: study 1 hour, 55 minutes ago



One in five American adults are working to pay off medical debts while an "alarmingly high" number of Americans with chronic illnesses skipped their medications because they could not afford them, according to a new study.

The study, by The Commonwealth Fund, also found that 41 percent of working-age Americans with annual incomes between 20,000 and 40,000 dollars were uninsured for at least part of the past year, up sharply from 28 percent in 2001.

"The jump in uninsured among those with modest incomes is alarming, particularly at a time when our economy has been improving," Commonwealth Fund President and study co-author Karen Davis said in a statement.

One in five, insured and uninsured, American adults are vying with unpaid medical bills, and one third of those surveyed had had medical bill problems in the past year or were paying off accrued medical debts, the study said.

Over 44 percent of all working-age adults with medical bills said their debts were 2,000 dollars or higher.

Researchers found that an "alarmingly high" proportion, 59 percent, of adults who were uninsured in the past year and have chronic illnesses, including diabetes and asthma, went without or skipped medications because they could not afford them.

Americans without health insurance were also more likely to go without recommended cancer, cholesterol and blood pressure screenings.

However, one-third of uninsured adults with chronic conditions visited a hospital emergency room, or stayed in a hospital overnight, or did both, compared to 16 percent of insured adults with such conditions.

A total of 4,350 adults, aged 19 and older, participated in the study which was conducted between August of last year and January 2006.




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Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:14 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:

Over 44 percent of all working-age adults with medical bills said their debts were 2,000 dollars or higher.


But...but, many here on RWED say that our economy is strong, and that we all never had it so good...

We was lied to.

Ramboisall, who sews his own wounds

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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:12 AM

KHYRON


What are y'all talking about? The oil companies never made more profits, so the economy MUST be going well!



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Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:46 AM

CHRISISALL


The well being of the top 2% has always been foremost on my mind. It does my heart good to know they won't starve.

Chrisisall

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