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Anarchist 1 - Cop 0 at RNC

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:53 PM

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"Anarchist 2" tackles cop. Cop releases "Anarchist 1". Hilarity ensues.

Video: www.infowars.com/?p=4297

Just a pair of police provacateurs playing WWF?




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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Hey WhoseZit, shouldn't you be there recreating '68? It looks like you're missing all the fun!

Of course, what Rush and the rest of the lunatic fringe missed completely, was the things that '68 and '08 have in common: In both instances, we were deeply involved in wars that were going nowhere, and the protesters weren't protesting a particular PARTY, they were protesting THOSE IN POWER at the time. In '68, it was the Dems; in '08, it's the Rethuglicans.




Mike

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Those are "Unarrestors" and yes, I recognize even which bloc they are from.

Apparently said cop just randomly decided he didn't like one guys looks and clouted him (the video doesn't have that part, but that's what incited someone to roll tape) and then started dragging them without so much as an explicable reason why - drawing the attention and ire of several unarrestors lurking nearby.

And in a typical fit of "how dare you peons" rage he sprays everyone in sight, which I will acknowledge was tactically a smart thing to do given the potential for being ripped limb from limb - but his body language and the lack of any realistic, visible threat made that more a gesture of pique more than anything else, cause he should NOT have waded into the crowd like that without backup to begin with.

He should be thankful they weren't... "serious".

In Miami, specifically, and a few other places, Anarchists have been caught alone by police while travelling to-from a protest in areas with no witnesses or surveillence, and in every case, were pretty severely beaten, one was permanently crippled.

That cop should be damn thankful nobody felt like returning the favor.

They wanted a "War", and act like a goddamn invading army, waging their "War on Drugs/Crime/Whatever" *ON* the citizens and treating them like enemy forces - what the hell did they expect would happen in return ?

I noted this phenom originally outside of protest/suppression, but rather in the neighborhood which I grew up, the BCPD treated the community like an enemy for so many years, that the community reacted TO them like one, and thus they could not respond with anything less than an overwhelming show of force for anything because of the very real possibility of the locals doing them harm.

Which of course leads to wasted resources, no support from the community gone hostile to them, and an inability to do their job effectively, if they even bother to do it in the first place, because the simplest task requires massive force to protect the officers carrying it out.

And if you think that sounds a lot like the situation the US Army faces in Iraq - you ain't alone.

When Police treat the citizens like they're the enemy, eventually that does become a self-fulfilling prophecy...

And they have only themselves and their own conduct to blame for it.

No, it ain't "serious" yet, but things continue in this vein, mark my words, in SOME neighborhoods, folk might start taking a page from Baghdad - and I really, REALLY don't wanna see IEDs, cause of the massive potential for harm to innocents and bystanders.

But they wanted a "war" so bad, acting like jacked up supersoldiers in all their badass intimidating playtoys....

Gonna come a time, when they are going to HAVE to decide whether we citizens are protectees, or the enemy - and if the latter, then face the consequences of that decision.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:37 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Every once in a while, you post something worthwhile.

Thanks for the glimpse,

--Anthony

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:15 AM

ARCLIGHT


Fabricated story. yawn

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:48 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Just a quick note,

The bloc I run with is actually quite professional for a buncha Anarchists, their idea man and more or less spirital leader is a former E-6 and a large percentage of them are former vets, all of em acting in concert by voluntary association rather than under orders, and they're quite disciplined and coordinated.

Our SOP for individual "rowdies" be they police or protestor, is a simple non-violent area removal, the nearest four each grab a limb, put them in the air, carry them off to one side and gently place them on the sidewalk before resuming order of march.

Oh, I did mention these are NOT small guys, most of em, right ?

Against a line advance, we just stand there, big guys to the front, little guys to the flank, with a pullback V retreat plan and established rally points if things go south on us.

My main job is to keep folk from wandering off alone and intercept agents provocatuer before any problems arise - it's a LOT like herding cats, sometimes.

Heh, none of us really gives a damn about race, but it does work to our advantage when the police shills and spies get caught out cause they didn't quite realize that the itty bitty white guy was WITH those big dark guys.

Undercover cops really, REALLY do NOT like you standing less than a foot behind them, and so it amuses me to get that close while they're looking for a way to sneak into the block, and quitely ask "Can I help you officer ?"

So far not a one hasn't blown himself at this point, of course, it helps that the damn fools use unscured radio com on known frequencies, too.

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:30 AM

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Beware cops using FRS GMRS radio freaks, to bypass scanners and official recordings of E911 Radio Dispatch.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:04 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Beware cops using FRS GMRS radio freaks, to bypass scanners and official recordings of E911 Radio Dispatch.

Teach a fish to swim, why don't ya ?

Our comm-tech is actually quite good, given that we more or less stole him from the army by greasing a couple palms to make that pesky stop-loss problem go away, something for which we have his eternal gratitude, and we pay well besides.

Not to mention he still has his marriage, home and career, unlike most of the others who were repeatedly stop-lossed.

Money can't buy loyalty, DEEDS buy loyalty.

Once you understand this, recruiting solid people is easy.

-Frem
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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 10:33 AM

KIRKULES


The only thing that would make that video funnier is if the cop had felt his life was threatened by the "Unarrestor" and put a bullet in his chest. I highly recommend you don't try that in Florida!

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 12:07 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey WhoseZit, shouldn't you be there recreating '68? It looks like you're missing all the fun!

Of course, what Rush and the rest of the lunatic fringe missed completely, was the things that '68 and '08 have in common: In both instances, we were deeply involved in wars that were going nowhere, and the protesters weren't protesting a particular PARTY, they were protesting THOSE IN POWER at the time. In '68, it was the Dems; in '08, it's the Rethuglicans.




Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

At last! Some drama!

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 12:08 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Oh, just to offer additional evidence of what happens when police catch a protestor alone...

(spaced links to avoid screen stretch)

http://www.minnesotaindependent.com/6952/ youth-in-iconic-rnc-protest-photo-beaten-by-police-according-to-his-mother

http://www.minnesotaindependent.com/6997/ boot-print-on-his-back-photographs-video-of-17-year-old-rnc-protester-after-run-in-with-police

I will note that some people (not Unarrestors, who would have come in force) DID actually try to intervene, and wound up arrested for their troubles.

Anyone care to explain to me the difference between this and any other gang assault, other than we look the other way and give official sanction to one particular gang ?

We do believe some lessons are in order over this whole RNC mess, and they will be delivered in ways most unexpected.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 12:22 PM

WHOZIT


Looney protesters being arrested in mass, and there civil rites ignored...........I LOVE St. Paul!!!

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008 12:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Be a bit of a shocker for the cop in that case, depending on what ammo he was using.

All of that particular clans people wear a threat level IIA or even a II class vest with side panels, and an additional underlayer to soak up blunt impacts from clubs and boots.

Hell, even *I* wear a ratty old IIA - backwards, so the plate faces rearward, that being cause I drive a cab yanno.

Anyone shootin through the seat at me is gonna get a really rude surprise anyhow, as there's an additional plate IN the seats, courtesy of our mechanic, who might not be hot stuff mechanically, but ain't nobodys dummy.

-F

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Monday, September 8, 2008 10:31 AM

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RNC Non-Con 2008

Somewhere there's a news article from WKLA WFLA or similar, that cops were arrested as "anarchists" at RNC.

Any links Frem?

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Monday, September 8, 2008 12:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA


None I can share at the moment - the whole mess is still an ongoing legal furball, and currently in the hands of the person you probably know as "Jock".

We *DID* set a couple undercovers at each other, for fun and games, I wonder if one arrested the other, that'd be rich, wouldn't it ?

They're also in some deep, deep shit over the supposed hostage situation they used to do a smash and grab on IWV, since we traced the phone number that called in that tip to the station which responded to it - how convenient that, yes ?

God DAMN these assholes are incompetent, it's all too fuckin easy sometimes... now if only some of these guys who did get hammered would listen to decent advice when they friggin heard it, yanno ?

But fuck it, if naught else, they're useful as bait.

-Frem

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Here's a bit of something,

Linked from this URL
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20690.htm

Added emphasis and notations for some bits.

When Protest Is Terrorism

RNC 8 Charged as Terrorists Under State Patriot Act

By Bruce Nestor

04/09/08 "ICH" -- - Ramsey County Charges RNC 8 Under State Patriot Act, Alleges Acts of Terrorism

In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002 Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism. Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald, and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.

Affidavits released by law enforcement which were filed in support of the search warrants used in raids over the weekend, and used to support probable cause for the arrest warrants, are based on paid,confidential informants who infiltrated the RNCWC on behalf of law enforcement.(1) They allege that members of the group sought to kidnap delegates to the RNC, assault police officers with firebombs and explosives, and sabotage airports in St. Paul. Evidence released to date does not corroborate these allegations with physical evidence or provide any other evidence for these allegations than the claims of the informants.(2) Based on past abuses of such informants by law enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence and to also act as provacateurs in raising and urging support for acts of violence.

“These charges are an effort to equate publicly stated plans to blockade traffic and disrupt the RNC as being the same as acts of terrorism. This both trivializes real violence and attempts to place the stated political views of the Defendants on trial,” said Bruce Nestor, President of the Minnesota Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild. “The charges represent an abuse of the criminal justice system and seek to intimidate any person organizing large scale public demonstrations potentially involving civil disobedience, he said.”

The criminal complaints filed by the Ramsey County Attorney do not allege that any of the defendants personally have engaged in any act of violence or damage to property.(3) The complaints list all of alleged violations of law during the last few days of the RNC — other than violations of human rights carried out by law enforcement — and seeks to hold the 8 defendants responsible for acts committed by other individuals.(4) None of the defendants have any prior criminal history involving acts of violence. Searches conducted in connection with the raids failed to turn up any physical evidence to support the allegations of organized attacks on law enforcement. Although claiming probable cause to believe that gunpowder, acids, and assembled incendiary devices would be found, no such items were seized by police.(5)- As a result, police sought to claim that the seizure of common household items such as glass bottles, charcoal lighter, nails, a rusty machete, and two hatchets, supported the allegations of the confidential informants.(6) “Police found what they claim was a single plastic shield, a rusty machete, and two hatchets used in Minnesota to split wood. This doesn’t amount to evidence of an organized insurrection, particularly when over 3,500 police are present in the Twin Cities, armed with assault rifles, concussion grenades, chemical weapons and full riot gear,” said Nestor. In addition, the National Lawyers Guild has previously pointed out how law enforcement has fabricated evidence such as the claims that urine was seized which demonstrators intended to throw at police.(7)

The last time such charges were brought under Minnesota law was in 1918, when Matt Moilen and others organizing labor unions for the Industrial Workers of the World on the Iron Range were charged with “criminal syndicalism.” The convictions, based on allegations that workers had advocated or taught acts of violence, including acts only damaging to property, were upheld by the Minnesota Supreme Court. In the light of history, these convictions are widely seen as unjust and a product of political trials. The National Lawyers Guild condemns the charges filed in this case against the above 8 defendants and urges the Ramsey County Attorney to drop all charges of conspiracy in this matter.

Bruce Nestor, President Minnesota Chapter of National Lawyers Guild
3547 Cedar Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55407

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA


(1) - Paid informants, often acting in such capacity for reduction of convicted offenses, and thus much-inclined to manufacture or falsify evidence and commit perjury, since as a CI (confidential informant) they cannot be questioned under oath as the police refuse to disclose their identity, thus violating the right to face ones accuser.

(2) - Rendering such evidence hearsay, at best, and therefore making it inadmissable, which of course did not stop them.

(3) - In other words, they have nothing to charge them with, and did so anyway.

(4) - By that, they mean to charge these folk with the acts that the police plants actually committed.

(5) - Thus the warrant, having been served, and none of the listed evidence found, is no longer valid, and opens the police department to civil action in response given the force with which they executed it.

(6) - Having gotten in the door with a bogus and then discared warrant, then went on a "fishing expedition" and collected ordinary household items NOT listed in the warrant, making those items also effectively inadmissable and also technically committing theft.

(7) - As in, the police informant planted it, and somebody caught it on tape.


Still think the rule of law applies, folks ?

As I recall, I *DID* warn you folks this kinda thing was gonna start happening, and got mostly brushed off about it - the simple fact is that this can no longer be rectified within a system that is the equivalent of playing with a card sharpers marked deck on his own table, not when the rules only apply to you, and not them.

I am not at liberty to discuss my opinion of what tactics to use against this kind of thing until the case is processed, but said fact alone oughta give you a good idea of what they would be.

-Frem

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