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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This from the guy who doesn't trust the National Bureau of Economic Research (the nonpofit organization officially in charge of declaring a recession) to declare a recession!

So, since I've had such difficulty pinning you down on (1) how to measure "the economy" (which was by YOUR metric "on fire"... if you were willing to "cherry pick" for positive indicators!) (2) adjusting values (such as the stock market and Federal Revenue) for inflation and (3) taking a theoretical approach to economics...

What is YOUR definition of a "depression"? What indicator or combination of indicators will YOU use to decide whether we are "there" or not, and at what value(s) would YOU be willing to recognize it? (And no, Rush Limbaugh doesn't count as an indicator.) This is for measurement purposes only.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:14 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We're not headed toward anything remotely as bas as a depression. Nice try, Nostrodumbass.


Hitler was big on denial too...until the end.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:41 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Story, you cherry pick the nits here and there, and claim as if that's some how vindication of your sorry ass world view. . It's not, not by a long shot. I give 100% facts, and all you do is ignore and spin.



That was fuckin' funny. Thanks for the laugh.


You do realize that just saying saomething is fact doesn't make it so, right? It actually has to have things like evidence, and be, ya know - ACTUAL FACT.

Your typical schtick is to look at actual facts - verifiable data posted by others, and go "Nuh-uh." And then make some broad claim, usually without ANY factual backing, and call it a fact.

Ideological differences aside, your presentation of "facts" betrays you as either a pathological liar, or borderline functionally retarded.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:49 AM

SIGNYM

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Rapo, feel free to reply to my questions whenever you're ready....

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Ideological differences aside, your presentation of "facts" betrays you as either a pathological liar, or borderline functionally retarded.


Oh, I think we can find something in the middle there...


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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:59 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
We're not headed toward anything remotely as bas as a depression. Nice try, Nostrodumbass.


Hitler was big on denial too...until the end.

Chrisisall



What's w/ you and your Hitler fetish, Chrissy?






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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:13 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


What's w/ you and your Hitler fetish, Chrissy?





Hitler felt obligated to ask questions with obvious answers...

Justsayin'isall

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I give 100% facts, and all you do is ignore and spin.



Like the "100% fact" that 95% of "them" don't pay any income taxes, eh?

And all the other "facts" that you've been 100% wrong about? Oh yeah - you were "typing too fast", "sleep deprived", "mislead by the media" - but NEVER were you flat-out wrong, and never, ever did you lie. Yeah, right...except for when you were, and when you did.

Yeah, you and the "facts" have a pretty tenuous relationship on your BEST day.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:45 AM

AURAPTOR

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I give 100% facts, isn't to say that I give facts 100% of the time. But why is it that I can screw up on that figure, 95% don't pay taxes, and you jump all over me, when Obama doesn't get the same sort of treatment when HE says something equally absurd, that 95% of US Taxpayers will get a tax cut. That's a unconscionable lie, and yet you folks buy it, hook, line and sinker.

No consistency with you types, none at all.


Meanwhile, here's a fact. I paid $ 1.83 for gas today. Thanks to Bush and Congress for removing the ban on off shore drilling, the gas prices have come steadily down ever since.







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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:53 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I give 100% facts, isn't to say that I give facts 100% of the time. But why is it that I can screw up on that figure, 95% don't pay taxes, and you jump all over me, when Obama doesn't get the same sort of treatment when HE says something equally absurd, that 95% of US Taxpayers will get a tax cut. That's a unconscionable lie, and yet you folks buy it, hook, line and sinker.





Funny how if you do it, it's just a screw up (even though it was a proovable falsehood, which you claimed as FACT when you MADE IT UP), but when Obama does it, it's an "unconscionable lie" (even though it is, for the most part, accurate).

Not that you will recognize the double-standard.

But you are consistant, I'll give you that. You are consistantly full of shit. And, oddly enough, the actual consistancy of shit.

In short, you are, and seem determined to remain - a first class liar.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:55 AM

RUE

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"HE says something equally absurd, that 95% of US Taxpayers will get a tax cut"

You never DID look that up did you ? It's true, you just have to look to find out the FACTS.

Oh, and people rightly think you're a nutcase for assuming - even as a rough guess - that 95% 'of 'them' don't pay taxes. It's so outrageously off the mark (or blatantly racist) that it reveals your big distance from reality (or your racism - take you pick).

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:55 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

I give 100% facts
Except when you make a mistake, which is why I said you have 50% fact content. The problem is, while you may be dealings in "facts" they are highly selected facts. (BTW-You ignore the world at your peril.)

In the meantime, I'm waiting for your answer: What is YOUR threshold for "a depression"? Care to put yourself out there in a independent fashion and make a judgement call?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:07 AM

AURAPTOR

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Obama's 95% is in NO part ( you said " most part ) accurate!





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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:08 AM

AURAPTOR

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rue

THEM = TAX PAYERS. There's nothing remotely racist about that, in the least.

You're a race baiter, which is par for the course, for the likes of you. This only shows what a narrow minded bigot YOU are, and in no way is it any reflection toward me.

You're the moron.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:10 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama's 95% is in NO part ( you said " most part ) accurate!




Just your claiming that it's false implies it is true, given your "wrong on everything" standard.

But go for it, show us some of your "facts" to back that. It always brings a laugh.

And your LIE is still a LIE, independant of what Obama said.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:12 AM

RUE

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OK, so between you being a racist or a loony, you pick being a loony. Got it.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:14 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
rue

THEM = TAX PAYERS. There's nothing remotely racist about that, in the least.

You're a race baiter, which is par for the course, for the likes of you. This only shows what a narrow minded bigot YOU are, and in no way is it any reflection toward me.

You're the moron.




Wow.

You meant all taxpayers when you lied about 95%.

Just WOW.

At least when it sounded like you were limiting it to one group, it seemed like maybe you just had your numbers wrong. But now you've made it clear that you meant everyone, every tax payer (apparently you missed the oxymoron inherent to your statement, as well). It shows how really, really stoooopid your original claim was.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Though you really ought to reconsider your usage of the word "moron" when posting something so dumb.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:26 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
OK, so between you being a racist or a loony, you pick being a loony. Got it.

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Being called looney by a loon himself is no big deal, what so ever. I'd rather be called looney by a loon or a clear thinking man than a racist, 7 days a week.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:33 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Wow.

You meant all taxpayers when you lied about 95%.

Just WOW.

At least when it sounded like you were limiting it to one group, it seemed like maybe you just had your numbers wrong. But now you've made it clear that you meant everyone, every tax payer (apparently you missed the oxymoron inherent to your statement, as well). It shows how really, really stoooopid your original claim was.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Though you really ought to reconsider your usage of the word "moron" when posting something so dumb.

/B]



Only i never lied. It was a mistake . 40% of tax payers don't pay federal income taxes, not 95% . ( We're close to 1/2 of all tax payers not having to pay fed income taxes, which is a goal of the Left, but I digress ) No oxymoron inherent in my statement, what so ever. It's clear you just like making up shit and interjecting it as you beat a dead horse.

I can say 95% and be vilified for it, called names, but when Obama says it, and he's unquestionably lying , he's exalted, praised and even voted into office.

Double standard on y'alls part is undeniable.

You're the stooopid ones, You're the morons, moron.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:36 AM

RUE

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I'll make it easy for you Rap, since you seem to have no interest is facts (except the silly ones you make up ) - type this into google (or copy /paste if typing is too much of a challenge ):

obama 95 tax cut fact check

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno, I know it's so much easier to call names and engage in arguments, but ... At one point you said we weren't "even close" to a depression, so I thought For sure he has some kind of idea what he's talking about, so...
Quote:

In the meantime, I'm waiting for your answer: What is YOUR threshold for "a depression"? Care to put yourself out there in a independent fashion and make a judgement call?
Remember: Thinking is good, and google is your friend.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Are you waiting for Limbaugh to tell you what to think???

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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At least I don't take my marching orders from Cindy Sheehan or Al Franken.



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" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:07 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Wow.

You meant all taxpayers when you lied about 95%.

Just WOW.

At least when it sounded like you were limiting it to one group, it seemed like maybe you just had your numbers wrong. But now you've made it clear that you meant everyone, every tax payer (apparently you missed the oxymoron inherent to your statement, as well). It shows how really, really stoooopid your original claim was.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Though you really ought to reconsider your usage of the word "moron" when posting something so dumb.

/B]



Only i never lied. It was a mistake . 40% of tax payers don't pay federal income taxes, not 95% . ( We're close to 1/2 of all tax payers not having to pay fed income taxes, which is a goal of the Left, but I digress ) No oxymoron inherent in my statement, what so ever. It's clear you just like making up shit and interjecting it as you beat a dead horse.

I can say 95% and be vilified for it, called names, but when Obama says it, and he's unquestionably lying , he's exalted, praised and even voted into office.

Double standard on y'alls part is undeniable.

You're the stooopid ones, You're the morons, moron.



That's the best you can do?

Once again - when you do it, you say it's a mistake, when someone else does it - baldfaced lie.

And the only reason you were villified, is that you claim to ALWAYS use hard facts, and you got caught making it up, plain and simple.

And then, you keep accusing ME of making shit up. Please, name one instance of this.

And there was an oxymoron there, dipshit. Just becuase you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

Here, let me spell it out for you. You said: 95% Taxpayers weren't paying taxes.

That is an oxymoron by definition, you blithering halfwit.

If you're going to call others stupid, you might just want to put a little effort into sounding coherent in your attempt. Oh, and actually having real info, not made up AUfacts would help, too.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:09 AM

STORYMARK


And meanwhile...

Rapy is ignoring several very simple, direct questions.

He'll call names though. Cause it makes him feel like less of a coward.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:39 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

At least I don't take my marching orders from Cindy Sheehan or Al Franken.
Good! That makes two of us!

But you're obviously avoiding the question.

Since you said we weren't "anywhere near" a depression, I got the impression you knew where it was and if we were getting close. So, what is your definition of a depression? How we will know whether or not we're "close" to one, actually in it, or far far away?

Cmon, man! Now's your time to be bold! Be brave! Make a statement!


The floor is yours!

(And remember- google is your friend.)


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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:44 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You're the stooopid ones, You're the morons, moron.


And here it is, the childish descent on the part of an educated dude that can't properly process info without the aid of an interpreter. Ask him what he can't address & it's off to 5-year-old-ville.
High intelligence coupled with severely arrested emotional development can be a bitch.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:18 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And meanwhile...

Rapy is ignoring several very simple, direct questions.

He'll call names though. Cause it makes him feel like less of a coward.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



I'm ignoring nothing. And you're the coward, that's not name calling either. That's just a fact.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:20 PM

AURAPTOR

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Sig, I'm not playing your game. Go play w/ yourself.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:44 PM

RUE

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Oh c'mon Rap ---

You can redeem yourself by engaging in thoughtful, fact-based discussion. And at this point the only one who's giving you the opportunity is SignyM. Why so snarky to the only one on the board who seems willing to tolerate you ?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:55 PM

AURAPTOR

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Me redeeming myself toward you folks would be like Churchill redeeming himself to Joseph Goebbels.

Too damn funny, you are.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:07 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Sig, I'm not playing your game. Go play w/ yourself.
I don't know what game you think I'm playing, Rapo. It's not a game, it's called "discussion".

I'm asking you for your viewpoint about what a depression looks like. I'm looking for a clear-cut threshold, indicator, or definition. Since I'm asking about YOUR opinion, I'm not expecting a treatise on the topic- in fact, I don't know what a "depression" looks like myself. I had to look it up on the internet.

So.

Are you so afraid that I'm gonna jump down your throat and call you names if I disagree?

I won't, I promise.

C'mon Rapo.

What's so hard about expressing an opinion?



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:09 PM

RUE

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Rap

What's so bad about thoughtful, fact-based discussion ?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:18 PM

SIGNYM

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Rue, can you modify your post?

I'm not trying to be aggressive, just trying to get a low-key discussion going.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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At least I don't take my marching orders from Cindy Sheehan or Al Franken.



But how is taking them from Rush any better? How is taking your marching orders from ANY talking head acceptable?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Me redeeming myself toward you folks would be like Churchill redeeming himself to Joseph Goebbels.



...and there it is.

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:59 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Sig, I'm not playing your game. Go play w/ yourself.- Rapo

I don't know what game you think I'm playing, Rapo. It's not a game, it's called "discussion". I'm asking you for your viewpoint about what a depression looks like. I'm looking for a clear-cut threshold, indicator, or definition. Since I'm asking about YOUR opinion, I'm not expecting a treatise on the topic- in fact, I don't know what a "depression" looks like myself. I had to look it up on the internet. So. Are you so afraid that I'm gonna jump down your throat and call you names if I disagree? I won't, I promise.

C'mon Rapo.
What's so hard about expressing an opinion?

Or just discussing a topic?



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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Because he's already said his piece, and therefore it's a "fact", and there's nothing left to discuss, in his view. ;)

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:46 PM

SIGNYM

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What say you, rapo?

Here I am... holding out the hand of friendship. I sincerely want to know what you think. So....?

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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Rapo, normally you tell us your opinions w/o hesitation! What's the problem?

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:16 AM

SIGNYM

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Okay, one last try.

I think you're afraid that I'm going to take your definition, rip it off ya and beat you over the head with it. Play twenty questions to corner you into saying that we ARE in a depression, or pick it apart and then imply you're a moron.

I personally don't think I'm THAT smart. And since I myself didn't know what a definition for "depression" might be I had to go look it up on the inet. By any definition I could find I agree with you: We're not anywhere close to being in a depression. (I think we're headed in that direction, but... not there yet.)

But what I'd simply like to know is: What is YOUR signpost for an economic depression? GDP falling more than X%? Unemployment above Y%? Bankruptcies greater than Z%? Two of three? Something else? I just want to get a sense of your "metric" so if we approach that tipping point in the future we'll be comparing apples to apples.


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Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:12 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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And meanwhile...

Rapy is ignoring several very simple, direct questions.

He'll call names though. Cause it makes him feel like less of a coward.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



I'm ignoring nothing. And you're the coward, that's not name calling either. That's just a fact.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "



Hey, man. You're the one not answering the questions, over and over.

i know this is the thing you can't stand to hear - but just because you claim something, doesn't make it true.

You are actuially displaying cowardly behavior, I'm just pointing it out.

On the flip side, I asked you to point to one instance where I did the same, or in any way earned the title coward, and you not only didn't provide it - but simply insisted it was true because you said it was.

You ae truely, staggeringly, pathetic.



"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I'm ignoring nothing.
Uh....

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Okay, I guess Rapo's silence speaks for itself.

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:45 AM

STORYMARK


Silence is the only thing of substance he has to say.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:50 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Rap is clearly not only biting but enthusiastically chewing off the one hand feeding him a little friendship.

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Monday, December 1, 2008 2:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA


You expected anything less ?

Oh, and...

It's official: US has been in a recession all year
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081201/ap_on_bi_ge/recession;_ylt=AifzntW
W7JA6OS3hzZNWvLCs0NUE


He wanted a cite, there, now he has one, expect more silence or a temper tantrum to follow.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, December 1, 2008 4:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I guess we're in a recession.

Doesn't feel as bad as we were told though.

Huh.



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