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Muses on Muses Mercury and Money

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UPDATED: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 08:46
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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:26 AM

I got a $5 bill in change with a defaced Abe. I thought huh. Someone doesn't like Abe. Oh well, He's on the bill, gotta deal dude. Why is he on the bill? I mean, there's presidents on all the money, what's up with that, we know it's govt. money, why do they need to tell us that?

Oh... right... because it isn't govt. money. It says right above Abe's head that it's not. It also says "legal tender" which is saying "yes, this is money." No one else's money says that. Other countries don't need to affirm that their money is in fact money.

So, rewind, the whole Fed Res. act, 1913, had been brewing since 1907, and firmly established its control in WWII with the establishment of a national debt to the FED, which is, after all, a corporation.

What changed on the money?

The Penny had an indian. Before that, seat liberty.
The nickel had an indian and a buffalo. Before that, it wasn't a nickel, it was a half-dime and had liberty.
The dime had mercury\, and before that, liberty head
The quarter had liberty
The half dollar had liberty
The dollar had mercury, morgan liberty head and standing liberty
the $5, $10 and $20 coins all had walking liberty IIRC.

Now its a box of white boys. All dead presidents, telling you that this is govt. money which it ain't, and that's why they got to tell you so many times.

Just a thought.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Worse, they put Andrew Jackson on the Twenty...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_War

Honestly, did they have ANY FRIGGIN IDEA how offensive that would have been to the guy, any at all ?
That woulda been pistols at dawn, provided he didn't just beat you to death with his walking stick on the spot!

It's also not coincidence that Jacksons presidency was the first, last, and only time the US Govt wasn't up to it's ass in debt - that oughta tell you something...

Putting the guy on paper fiat money issued by a central bank is a grevious insult to his memory - and for the record, Jefferson wasn't too bloody fond of the notion either, even if he did think Jackson was a violent wacko.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 9:23 AM

KANEMAN

"That woulda been pistols at dawn, provided he didn't just beat you to death with his walking stick on the spot!"

You peg legged bastards and walking sticks....get over it.

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Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:08 AM

DREAMTROVE

Yes, I do. OTOH, Jackson WAS a violent whacko.

It's also all out offensive, since Jackson was the one who made official public policy extermination of the indians and enslavement of blacks, which he did because he was corrupt and had powerful backers who were commodity traders. (see flaws of capitalism again.)

These southern elites actually feared takeover by northern banks, for good reason. Of course the northern bankers had no interest in NOT being evil, they just wanted to *own* the evil. Hence, the Civil War.

But Jackson was picked because he was the flagship democrat, and Lincoln as the flagship republican. But that said, they could have selected others. I mean, John Quincy Adams was a better proto-republican, and Jefferson a better proto-democrat, but consider the people doing the picking.

They did pick Jefferson, but no adams, monroe or madison.

Kaneman seems to have run out of battery power.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 5:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Not being in debt is a good thing. Slavery and killing native peoples are bad things, goes back to my we-all-have-flaws-and-positives to us opinion. I don't really care which presidents are on our money, but I do think its good to have the ones from back when, they're less controversial to the average American citizenry.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 14, 2011 6:24 PM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
... they're less controversial to the average American citizenry.

Hahaha. Only because the average American citizen is ignorant of history. They were controversial back then.

Take Lincoln. An entire civil war fought, 700,000 Americans dead, 'cause half the country hated his guts. I'd say Lincoln was pretty controversial.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 7:05 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
... they're less controversial to the average American citizenry.
Hahaha. Only because the average American citizen is ignorant of history. They were controversial back then.

Take Lincoln. An entire civil war fought, 700,000 Americans dead, 'cause half the country hated his guts. I'd say Lincoln was pretty controversial.

Agreed. Also, Jackson was very controversial. Jefferson was not then, but is now, because of his support for slavery.

Washington has become so because of his support for "indian removal" which to be fair, washington didn't even *try* to relocate, he just killed them.

The only one I'm really comfortable with is Ben Franklin, who isn't a president.

Also, Hamilton, I'll abstain from commenting on, I know Frem has some serious issues, but in any event, he was also not a president. I think that indians and muses were better. But that was back when it was money.

Also, some WTF moments:

FDR. Now, he's also evil, and controversial, even now. A lot of the debate about Obama's economic plan is that it is seen by many as an "FDR plan" which is generally considered not to be a good thing except for a labor branch of dems, who still think FDR was a good guy, and Obama might be from that set.

Kennedy? Seems like pandering.

IKE. More pandering

Now there's been a lot of talk of Reagan, and people say "that's blatant pandering, it would disrespect the tradition." Well, yes, it is blatant pandering, but I think that I just illustrated that it's been done a lot, and FDR is still on the dime.

Wilson should be on the money. I mean, he's the one responsible for this mess, he's evil enough, etc. I think he's ideal.

Or here's one: The current prez. Each one would have so much ego that they would want to print more than the last. This would devalue the currency and hopefully precipitate an economic collapse.

Or maybe the Queen

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, March 14, 2011 8:49 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Good point CTS, I know that Lincoln was extremely controversial in his time. But now people seem to remember the good things mostly.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:53 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:
... they're less controversial to the average American citizenry.
Hahaha. Only because the average American citizen is ignorant of history. They were controversial back then.

Take Lincoln. An entire civil war fought, 700,000 Americans dead, 'cause half the country hated his guts. I'd say Lincoln was pretty controversial.

Not to mention his profligate federal spending habits!

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 8:46 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Not to mention his profligate federal spending habits!

Good point.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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