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Hearings on "Domestic Muslim Terrorism"

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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A controversial congressional hearing Thursday on the radicalization of Muslim Americans touched on sensitive questions involving terrorism and tolerance a decade after the 9/11 attacks.

At times emotional and theatrical, the four-hour session of the House Homeland Security Committee included calls from moderate Muslims for support in overcoming extremists seeking to indoctrinate their children, as well as protests from Democratic legislators who complained the hearing unfairly implicated all Muslims for the criminal acts of a small minority.

In the end, committee Chairman Peter King, R-New York, said the hearing that generated widespread media coverage "actually went a lot easier than it could have." He blamed what he called the "mindless, baseless hysteria in the media" in preceding weeks for the controversy, and promised additional hearings in coming months, with the next perhaps focusing on the radicalization of Muslims in U.S. prisons.

Despite strong criticism from Muslim Americans and accusations of a McCarthyist revival, King started the hearing by defending it as neither "radical or un-American."

"To back down would be a craven surrender to political correctness and an abdication of what I believe to be the main responsibility of this committee to protect America from a terrorist attack," he said.

Recruiting young American Muslims is part of al Qaeda's strategy to continue attacking the United States, said King, who called on Americans to reject the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a prominent Muslim-American advocacy group in the United States.

Witnesses stressed to the panel the need for more understanding of the issue, with a father describing how his son was radicalized by Islamic extremists, and a moderate Muslim activist advocating an American form of Islam that believes in "separation of mosque and state."

At the same time, the only law enforcement official to testify, Sheriff Leroy Baca of Los Angeles County in California, seemed to sum up the overall approach needed by calling for increased understanding by Americans of their changing society.

"The truth is that America is becoming a society of the world, and because of that we have to be sensitive, we have to know how to work with various communities," Baca said. "Americans need to wake up and start learning more about all the issues that affect their well-being. ... The real truth is that the American public must step up to the plate and do more, even if it's just educating yourself."

Evidence of the deep public divide over the issue included a woman in the public gallery wearing a T-shirt that had "No Bigotry" written in large letters.

Democrats on the panel sharply criticized King for focusing the hearing only on the Muslim-American community, with some expressing outrage and other making emotional pleas.

Rep. Yvette Clarke of New York called the hearing "great theater" but lamented the lack of a definition for terrorism and radicalization. For example, she said, parents in her district tell of chidlren being recruited and brainwashed by local gangs.

Rep. Keith Ellison, the first elected Muslim member of Congress, choked up in describing the sacrifices of Muslim Americans, among them Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old paramedic and New York City police cadet who died trying to save others in the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

With Hamdani's mother in the room, Ellison teared up as he explained that people "falsely speculated (Hamdani) was with the attackers because he was Muslim."

"His life should not be identified as just a member of an ethic group or just a member of a religion, but as an American who gave everything for his fellow Americans," the sobbing Ellison said.

He acknowledged that some Muslims are responsible for violent acts, but said blaming the entire Muslim community for the evil of individuals is "the very heart of stereotyping and scapegoating."

Muslim Americans called the planned series of hearings an unfair attack on loyal citizens and a dangerous break from the traditional U.S. embrace of tolerance and pluralism.

Critics have accused Republican leaders of bigotry and compared the hearings to those held in the 1950s to explore Sen. Joseph McCarthy's allegations of Communist infiltration in the early years of the Cold War.

Democratic Rep. John Dingell, the longest-serving congressman and the dean of the House, said he represented a Michigan community that included a sizable Muslim population.

"They are almost, without exception, honorable, loyal citizens," Dingell said. "And as I've indicated, they are distressed as much as we are about the behavior of al Qaeda and other threats to their nation as we are to sharing their concerns about what is of danger to our nation."

Dingell then told the committee that in all the years that he headed investigative committees, he kept a picture of McCarthy hanging on the wall -- "so that I would know what it was I did not want to look like, to do or to be."

Republican offered their own theatrics, with Rep. Jeff Duncan of South Carolina expressing his own outrage over what he called the Obama administration's "failure to single out who our enemy is."

Witnesses invited by King told stories of personal loss. Melvin Bledsoe, the father of an American youth who converted from Christianity to Islam at age 19 and later shot two U.S. army troops outside an Arkansas recruiting station, asked the committee for help.

Bledsoe blamed Islamic extremists for radicalizing his son Carlos at mosques in Nashville, Tennessee. Carlos changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad and was held responsible for the 2009 fatal attack on an Army Recruiting Center killing in Little Rock, Arkansas.

To Baca, the sheriff, part of the problem stems from distrust between Muslim communities and local law enforcement in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

He described successful outreach by his department to minority communities that have brought cooperation in criminal investigations, and called on Muslim parents to notify authorities at the first sign of irregular behavior that might signal radicalization of a child.

More at http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/10/radicalization.hearings/index.h
tml?hpt=Sbin


Investigate domestic terrorism? Fine. Investigate ONLY domestic Islamic terrorism? 100% WRONG!

Then there's King himself:
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Walk into Rep. Peter King's Capitol Hill office, and you are overwhelmed with how much the New York Republican is consumed by the September 11, 2001, attacks. There are photos on the walls of funerals he attended, images of a smoky Brooklyn Bridge, and baseball caps with sayings including "USS New York, Never Forget."

King says he doesn't have a monopoly on grief -- but it is what drives him.

"If you ask me what I think about going to work every day, it's 9/11 and preventing another 9/11. There were too many people I knew," he told CNN in an interview in his office.

That's why he says he is determined to use his powerful post as House Homeland Security Committee chairman to hold a highly controversial hearing on what he has dubbed radicalization of Muslims in the United States.

The fact that he is singling out the Muslim-American community has ignited protests and anger against him, and accusations of bigotry. He has even been compared to Sen. Joseph McCarthy, who used a congressional gavel he wielded in the 1950s to go on a Communist witch hunt. King said there is "no basis" for that. "I tell people wait and watch and listen to the hearing and they will see it will be a thoughtful, meaningful, very fair hearing," he said.

King, the son of a New York police academy instructor and a self-described close friend of New York cops and firefighters, insists he gets the real story from his buddies about what they call lack of cooperation in the Muslim community in rooting out radicalism.

But other law enforcement officials say they get valuable assistance from Muslim-Americans. And academic studies, like one conducted by Duke University and the University of North Carolina, show fellow American Muslims turned in 48 of the 120 Muslims suspected of plotting terror attacks on the U.S. since 9/11.

Still, King invited no law enforcement officials to be witnesses at his hearing -- neither the FBI director, nor the attorney general, nor any of the New York officials who he says tell him they're concerned. The only one attending is Los Angeles Sheriff Leroy Baca, because he was invited by Democrats on the panel.

Standing in the empty committee room where his hearing will take place, King made clear he thinks inviting law enforcement officials would be a waste of time. "They work for civilian leaders, and the civilians say the cooperation is fine."

Some call King's efforts against American Muslim terrorism hypocritical. In the 1980s, King, an Irish-American, was an active supporter of Gerry Adams and the Irish Republican Army, an organization the State Department then deemed terrorists, which was responsible for hundreds of civilian deaths in terror attacks.

King defends his efforts. "I knew what was happening in Northern Ireland, and with the IRA. The IRA was a legitimate force, they'd been there for 40 years, 60 years, any way you want to look at it," said King.

The New York Times editorialized Tuesday that King is a man "obsessed" with Muslim radicalism.

Is he obsessed? "I'm very focused," he replied. "I lost many people from my (congressional) district on 9/11, and within a 30-mile radius of my home, probably about a thousand people murdered on 9/11."

Another answer to that question may be in what King writes about. He is a part-time novelist, and in 2004 published a book called "Vale of Tears," about an Irish-American congressman from New York who traces a terrorist attack to Muslim radicals in his own district. "You write about what you know," shrugged King.

More at http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/09/king.profile/index.html?iref=ob
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I just don't get where a SUPPORTER of a terrorist organization has credibility holding investigations of a minority, a small percentage of which happen to be terrorists... Tells you how far we've gone down the road of fear and hatred, and it's shameful. Like I said:

Investigate domestic terrorism? Absolutely! Investigate the entire Muslim community and no other? Shame on you. Particularly because
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2010 there were more than twenty plots by non-Muslims compared to the ten Muslim Americans arrested for domestic plots; the report supports the argument that fears of domestic radicalization are exaggerated.

The study, conducted by the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security at Duke University, showed that last year twenty American Muslims had been arrested on charges of terrorism.

Last year there were more than twenty plots by non-Muslims including Joseph Stack who crashed an airplane into an IRS building in Texas.

Since 9/11 thirty-three people have been killed in the United States in terrorist attacks — or roughly three deaths per year. This compares to the approximately 150,000 murders committed in the United States since then.

David Schanzer, director of the Triangle Center, said that the study, “puts into perspective the threat presented by domestic radicalization of Muslim Americans.”

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/study-shows-more-non-muslim-terror
ists-us


King is a man obsessed, with a past which gives him no right to "investigate" any terrorist organizations and should be ashamed of himself, in my opinion. Maybe like McCarthy he likes the attention? Or is pushing that book of his...

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:20 PM

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Monday, March 14, 2011 9:31 AM

CANTTAKESKY


That breaks my heart.




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Monday, March 14, 2011 1:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


If the IRA had perped 9/11, King would be hailing them as heroes. His beef isn't with "terrorism" at all - it's with Muslims.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, March 14, 2011 1:45 PM

KANEMAN


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Monday, March 14, 2011 3:05 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I would love to hear from more moderate/"normal" Muslims who stand up and denounce terrorism and stand up for their "normal"/moderate Muslim friends and comrades. I think that would help everyone.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 14, 2011 3:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I would love to hear from more moderate/"normal" Muslims who stand up and denounce terrorism and stand up for their "normal"/moderate Muslim friends and comrades. I think that would help everyone.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



I'd like the same from "moderate", "normal" christians, too, but every time I ask them to denounce their terroristic murdering fuckwit whackjobs (Scott Roeder, David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, George W. Bush, etc.), I get lots of people telling me that I'm being ridiculous.

As Signy keeps pointing out, goose sauce = gander sauce.

I remember several around here celebrating the murder of George Tiller during a church service. Really classy bunch, these so-called christians. I find it hilarious that they consider themselves any different than fundamentalist Muslims, since they act exactly like them.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, March 14, 2011 3:49 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I would love to hear from more moderate/"normal" Muslims who stand up and denounce terrorism and stand up for their "normal"/moderate Muslim friends and comrades. I think that would help everyone.

Uh... they've BEEN out there denouncing. It's not their fault CNN and mass media doesn't want to pick it up. (How can you sell fear and hatred if we hear from normal Muslims on TV? No, we need Glenn Beck to show us how terrifying the muslim world has become.)

All you have to do is google "muslims denouncing terrorism." Here are the top 2 results:

Big list of denunciation:
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Another big list:
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voic
es_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2
/

Nice poem here:
http://www.muhajabah.com/9-11_poem.htm

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A Poem About September 11



By Rooshna Kidwai



Tragedy struck the country on the 11th of September
Terror grasped our hearts on a day that all will remember
Shock combined with anger, pain combined with fear
As we intently watched the news and brushed away the tears
Planes explode into buildings, causing them to collapse
Maybe a scene from a movie, or just a nightmare, perhaps?
But that’s just wishful thinking, we knew it was very real
Because the families of the victims wait for the pain to heal
The question continued to echo, only the answer did we lack
Who were the monsters who committed this deadly terrorist attack?
Now we know their identities: Muslims by their names
And because of these cowards, all Muslims were defamed
This isn’t what Islam teaches; I’m a Muslim so I should know
What the terrorists did was wrong, and Hell is where they will go
Us Muslims did nothing wrong, but still you persist to despise
A group of innocent people, who now fear to step outside
We won’t ask you to forgive us for something we didn’t do
But please respect us like your own, because we are just like you
Let’s hold our hands with peace, and let’s join our hearts with love
Pray for the victims who died in the blue sky up above
Too high above for us to know how these people felt
The victims in the buildings and the horror with which they dealt
Imagine the pain of their families, who lie at home in wait
For someone to come inform them of their beloved’s fate
We called it the United States, but it wasn’t until now
That we were a country united under a single vow
Dear God, Together we stand and together we pray
For all who lost their lives on that sorrowful day
And protect all the Muslims from anyone who expresses malice
And doesn’t know the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist

GOD BLESS AMERICA




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Monday, March 14, 2011 9:02 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I agree that murdering Tiller wasn't right, and didn't solve anything, kind ofembarassing really.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If the IRA had perped 9/11, King would be hailing them as heroes. His beef isn't with "terrorism" at all - it's with Muslims.




D.C. Snipers - Muslims

Ft Hood shooter - Muslim

Shoe Bomber - Muslim

El Al Airline shooter at LAX - Muslim

TImes Square Bomber - Muslim

Seattle shooter at Jewish school - Muslim

Denver shooter of 4 co-workers and a police officer - Muslim

Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - Muslim

And I'm not even going to bother w/ the 'honor' killings. Those are too numerous to count.


If you want to deal with all the non-Muslim related violence, by all means, that's a legitimate issue. But to ignore the fact that there are 'some' Muslims who commit violence - IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD, and that this group isn't a threat... is an act of pure self delusion.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:55 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
there are 'some' Muslims who commit violence ... this group ...



Here is the problem. Going from "some Muslims" to "this group."

All of those you listed had 2 legs. Should we generalize that all 2 legged creatures pose a threat? That's silly. Chickens obviously don't pose a terrorist threat.

So let's narrow the group to 2 legged humans. All 6 billion of us, minus Frem and well a few others. All 2 legged humans pose a terrorist threat? No. Still too broad.

Let's narrow the group to 2 legged Muslim humans. All 1.6 billion of them. All 1.6 billion Muslims pose a terrorist threat? 1 in every 4 human beings on earth? No. Still too broad.

How about 2 legged extremist Muslim humans? A few thousand of them perhaps? Out of 1.6 billion Muslims? Doesn't this sound more reasonable?

The problem is people want to indulge in religious bigotry. Group all 1.6 billion Muslims into ONE group. Have 6 religious violent extremists somehow representing 1.6 billion of their fellow Muslims. That speech Cameron gave was about religious bigotry. This is more of the same.

What if someone wanted to say the Westboro Baptist Church, all 6 members, represented the evil and hateful threats of all 2.1 billion Christians on earth? All Christians are suspect because WBC is Christian? Does that make sense, to not be able or be willing to distinguish bad Christians from nicer ones?






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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You're making this far more complicated than it really is.

Don't get stuck on stupid.

I made it abundantly clear as to who " this group " contains. Those who scream "Allah Akbar! " or to that effect, while attempting to take innocent life, and those who sympathize with them.

If a Daisy Cutter happened to accidentally drop on the Westboro Cult, wiping out the entire Phelps clan, I'd feel bad we no longer can have use of that bomb, but that's about it. And as evil as these nuts are, they've yet to actually physically attack anyone. Or promote the acts of killing anyone.

Comparisons between the Westboro cultists and world wide Islamic fanaticisms, simply don't merit serious consideration.

* Should have posted this here, first...but better late than never.




And while Rep Ellison claims that these terrorists use political issues, not religious, as their motivation, he ignores the fact that they ALWAYS scream out 'ALlah Akbar!' , while committing their attacks.

Though they're not religious. Hmmm..

And the nice quote - Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world; and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.- Doesn't originate from the Qu'ran. It's from the Talmud, which was written prior to Mohammad getting freaky with his 8 yr old bride.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hmmm...I see you duplicated your Maher video here--where it belonged in the first place. Raptor. Why you put it over there, too, would be strange, except that I think it was yet another effort to steer the conversation off topic. Whatever. On this:

Riona:
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I would love to hear from more moderate/"normal" Muslims who stand up and denounce terrorism and stand up for their "normal"/moderate Muslim friends and comrades.
They have. They are. They do every day, we just don’t hear about it. I posted some stuff on it a long time ago, when we were involved in the same bullshit we are now. VERY famous, respected, authority figures in the Muslim community have denounced it---hell, I heard last night that the majority of Muslim terrorists have been TURNED IN by other Muslims...they can’t go much further than that! So yes, they’re doing it...if you want I’ll look it up again...the problem isn’t that they’re not denouncing it, it’s that the MSM doesn’t COVER them doing so.

And I agree with Mike about there being little expectation of any of those involved in the anti-choice debate denouncing terrorism by people of THEIR beliefs. Or how about the consistent request for Republicans to denounce theirs who have been spewing violent rhetoric for so long? When I see some of THAT, I’ll look for MORE denunciation of Muslim terrorism than I see now.

Oops, I see CTS did my work for me about denunciations. Much thanx CTS, you just saved me a bunch of time.

Gawd Raptor:
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to ignore the fact that there are 'some' Muslims who commit violence - IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD, and that this group isn't a threat... is an act of pure self delusion.
First off, who’s ignoring it??? You keep saying that, but it can only be pure self-delusion to think it’s being IGNORED! Secondly, anti-choice terrorists have committed THEIR acts “in the name of their God”, yet you’re quite happy to ignore that part. In response to your list, how about these:

We all know about George Tiller, the Wichita doctor, killed INSIDE the lobby of his Wichita church. Reformation Lutheran Church became a crime scene; fundamentalist terrorism.
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Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States.

--In 1982, three men associated with the organization held Hector Zevallos, an abortion doctor, and his wife, Rosalee Jean, hostage. The "East Coast division" of the AOG claimed responsibility when three men, including Michael Bray, planted bombs at seven abortion clinics in Maryland, Virginia, and Washington D.C. in 1985.

--The AOG claimed responsibility for Eric Robert Rudolph's 1997 shrapnel bombing of abortion clinics in Atlanta and Birmingham as well as an Atlanta lesbian bar.

--Clayton Waagner, claiming to act on the part of the "Virginia Dare Chapter" of the AOG, mailed over 500 letters containing white powder to 280 abortion providers in 2001. The letters claimed that the powder was anthrax; though it was not identified as such, the tactic took advantage of the public's fear of biological warfare after the recent real anthrax attacks.

--The group is also associated with a number of assassinations of abortion providers. Some of these assassins, such as Shelley Shannon, claimed association with the AOG.

Wikipedia
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Paul Hill, executed for the shotgun slayings of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard in Pensacola, says he's at peace with himself and would probably kill again. Hill, a one-time Presbyterian minister, has said God led him to shoot Dr. John Britton, 69, and his driver, James Barrett, 74, as they arrived at a Pensacola abortion clinic in July 1994. ''If I were put in similar circumstances, I believe I would act similarly,'' Hill said in a letter to The Herald from his Florida State Prison cell.

“You will not be afraid of the terror by night, or of the arrow that flies by day.” Hill interpreted this as an affirmation that his act was biblically approved. The above psalm is said to be the one that made him believe he was doing a good thing. He said that he regarded “the cutting edge of Satan’s current attack” to be “the abortionist’s knife,” and therefore his actions had ultimate theological significance.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/a-abortion/a-abortion22.html
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A South Carolina library system has closed down its summer programs for young adults after receiving threats and allegations that it was trying to promote "witchcraft" and "drug use."
The programs were cancelled in the wake of phone and e-mail threats from the community, believed to emanate from a single local Baptist church. The astrology program was labeled as "witchcraft" by callers, while the Zen garden and yoga programs were objected to as "promoting other religions." The t-shirts workshop? "Promotes the hippie culture and drug use," callers said.

"If you have an anonymous call of a bomb, what do you do?" asks Library Director Marguerite Keenan, explaining her decision to cancel the YA programs. "You clear the building, you close the building for the protection of the children. And that’s hugely sad."

http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6453294.html
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Hutaree, a militia movement group adhering to the Christian Patriot movement, based in Adrian, Michigan, in the United States. From March 28 to March 30, 2010, nine of its members were arrested in police raids in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana (in Hammond), for their alleged involvement in a plot to kill various police officers and possibly civilians using illegal explosives and/or firearms. The group was allegedly preparing for what they believed would be an apocalyptic battle with the forces of the Antichrist, who they believed would be supported and defended by local, state and federal police departments.
I know some people feel the Hutaree thing was a set-up or conspiracy or something, but is there proof?
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James Kopp, who murdered physician Barnett Slepian in 1998 was a member of The Lambs of Christ, also known as Victim Souls of the Unborn Christ-Child, an extremist anti-abortion organization in the United States. It was founded in 1988 by Norman Weslin. It is sometimes termed a Christian terrorist organization. Members of the group have been linked to several incidents of violence.
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/The_Lambs_of_Christ
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Timothy McVeigh who, along with his accomplice Terry Nichols, carried out the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, has admitted to a belief in Christian Patriotism and involvement in Christian Patriot activities. The Christian Patriot movement actively incorporates Christian scripture and biblical liturgy to justify and support violent activities

The movement grew during the 1990s after the Ruby Ridge incident and the Waco Siege. The movement maintained ties with the militia movement of the same period. A highly publicized federal confrontation with Christian Patriots occurred in 1996, when Federal marshals arrested the Montana Freemen.

Wikipedia

We could go on all day, but needn’t. We have a problem with domestic terrorism and have for a long time. Some of that terrorism is comitted by Muslim terrorists. Some of them are committed by Christian terrorists. Some are committed by people of political beliefs having nothing to do with religion.

So my question is: WHY weren’t the investigations into “domestic terrorism” in general, rather than focused only on domestic terrorism by Muslims? Because Muslims are currently the best choice for fomenting fear and hatred, period.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


By the way,
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FBI statistics indicate that most acts of domestic terrorism are not committed by Muslim or Arab groups. Indeed, from 1984 to 1998, 95 percent of the terrorist incidents in the United States were attributed to domestic groups. In the three years after the Oklahoma City bombing, 1996 to 1998, almost 70 percent of all potential terrorist events were attributed to domestic sources, and the figure climbs to 96 percent if we discount one series of intercepted letter bombs in 1997. More specifically, in 1993, for example, there were two bombings by an extreme right-wing group in Tacoma, Washington, and nine fire bombings by an animal rights group, the Animal Liberation Front, in Chicago, Illinois. In 1994, there were no incidents of terrorism at all. Indeed, when AEDPA was passed in 1996, the looming threat was extreme right-wing domestic groups, particularly militias.
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/WaronTerrorism/terrorism01.
htm


I should have mentioned previously

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Jared Lee Loughner

Animal Liberation Front (ALF) The group is listed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as a domestic terrorist organization.

Aryan Nations (AN) is a white nationalist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. The Aryan Nations has been called a "terrorist threat" by the FBI,[5] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the USA.

Black Liberation Party, a splinter group made up of the more radical members of the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army (BLA) sought to overthrow the US government in the name of racial separatism and Marxist ideals. The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the murders of 13 police officers. According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity, the group was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1980.

The Earth Liberation Front has been classified as the top "domestic terror" threat in the United States by the Federal Bureau of Investigation since March 2001.

JDL: The Jewish Defense League: FBI statistics show that, from 1980 to 1985, 15 terrorist attacks were attempted in the U.S. by JDL members.

KKK: From reconstruction at the end of the civil war to the end of the civil rights movement, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) used threats, violence, arson, and murder to further its white-supremacist, anti-Communist, anti-semitic and anti-Catholic agenda. Domestic terrorists with agendas similar to the KKK include neo-Nazis and white power skinheads.

The May 19 Coalition (also variously referred to as the May 19 Communist Coalition, May 19 Communist Organization, and various alternatives of M19CO), was a US-based, self-described revolutionary organization formed by members of the Weather Underground Organization. The role of the mass movement (i.e., above ground Prairie Fire Collective) would include support for, and encouragement of, armed action.

The Order, also known as the Brüder Schweigen or Silent Brotherhood, was an organization active in the United States between 1983 and 1984. The Order, a white nationalist revolutionary group, is probably best known for the 1984 murder of radio talk show host Alan Berg.

The Phineas Priesthood (Phineas Priests) is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. Members of the Priesthood are often called terrorists for, among other things, planning to blow up FBI buildings, abortion clinic bombings, and bank robberies.

The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled, far left "urban guerrilla warfare group" that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders, and other acts of violence between 1973 and 1975. Among their most notorious acts was the kidnapping and the brainwashing of the newspaper heiress Patty Hearst.

The United Freedom Front (UFF) was a small American Marxist organization active in the 1970s and 1980s. the UFF carried out at least 20 bombings and nine bank robberies in the northeastern United States, targeting corporate buildings, courthouses, and military facilities. The group's members were eventually apprehended and convicted of conspiracy, murder, attempted murder, and other charges.

Wikipedia

You want a listing of these groups’ violent attacks? Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

So again: Why are they focusing on domestic MUSLIM terrorism???


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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:39 PM

AURAPTOR

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Niki -

By even attempting to equate the closing down of a summer library program or 1 or two anti aborto zealots to the world wide Islamic jihadists, you're ignoring the problem.

Which I find pathetic and sad.

Maher's explanation, had you bothered to WATCH the video, says it all.


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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:11 PM

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Now that wasn't even a halfway decent try.
Quote:

By even totally ignoring the violent murderous acts committed by domestic non-Muslim terrorists in order to pretend I'm equatiung the closing down of a summer library program or "1 or two" anti aborto zealots to the world wide Islamic jihadists, you're twisting the problem.
...especially given all the various acts of violence, bombings, murder, etc. I bothered to list, AND that the thread is about DOMESTIC Muslim terrorism. Your argument, given the issue at hand, is apples to oranges, and you even substituted "plastic" apples and "international" oranges...

You can't even debate a valid point decently. So sad; pathetic even. It's not worth responding to your measly attempts to manipulate the situation. So I won't further.


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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM

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Not only have I debated the issue, and overwhelmingly destroyed your nonsensical position, others, like Bill Maher , have put it into easy to understand language, that most non-pot smoking elderly Left wingers can understand.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:30 PM

BYTEMITE


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Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - Muslim


...What? Look, I live in Salt Lake City, so no. The Trolley Square shooter was a Bosnian immigrant. And a seriously disturbed kid. He's really more comparable to Loughner. He was Muslim, but even the FBI ruled out terrorism and jihad in his actions.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/660197676/Cannon-takes-back-Allah-q
uote.html


I saw the video as it played on my local news, and he never shouted Allah Ackbar, that was something John Gibson and Chris Cannon claimed, but they were incorrect.

I've only heard of the Shoe box bomber, underwear bomber, and Ft. Hood Shooter, so I'm going to have to similarly be suspicious of your other listed Muslims. Sorry AURaptor. You shouldn't make assumptions about all immigrants like that. Getting basic facts wrong, even if they're obscure, makes it look like you might be wrong on other stuff too. Vet your information.

My Muslim friend denounces jihad, especially considering jihadists and Saddam Hussein chased her family out of Iraq. So there's at least one for you.

She's a real sweet girl, very into anime if you can believe it. When she heard about the U.S. planning to go to war in Iraq, she recruited a bunch of us to make origami cranes, so that she could wish for her family's safety.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:02 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


Not saying Muslim terrorism is more dangerous than any other (though perhaps a mite more common), but it seems your stats all happen before 9/11. Islamic terror is newer (to us anyway) than most of those.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:10 PM

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Byte, thanks for correcting that.

Niki makes good points about domestic terroristic acts committed by people who aren't Muslim, extremism can happen anywhere and can be really scary.

But Happy makes a good point too in that terrorism related to Jihad is a newer thing for us in the US, so its something that is current on people's minds. It sounds like the Salt Lake incident belongs in the category of Jared Lomer, an isolated incident committed by an individual who wasn't in any whacky organizations and was clearly not thinking right. Even though the results can be the same, I see those types of incidents as different than incidents perpetrated by members of a group/organization.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:

Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - Muslim


Sorry AURaptor. You shouldn't make assumptions about all immigrants like that.

I never did. See, this is what makes me so god damn furious. I go to the trouble of listing examples ( where the morons here always falsely claim I never do) and what do I get for it ? A blatant over exaggeration and distortion of what I posted. I never said EVERY immigrant, EVERY muslim, or ANY GOD DAMN THING REMOTELY TO THAT EFFECT!

Quote:

Getting basic facts wrong, even if they're obscure, makes it look like you might be wrong on other stuff too. Vet your information.


The information is accurate. The BASIC FACTS aren't even being disputed by you. Was he an immigrant ? Yes. Was he a Muslim ? Yes. Did he shoot and kill, as I stated ? YES!!!!

Again, whether you want to agree w/ it or not, is YOUR problem. I also omitted tons of other examples, like the student at UNC who drove his car through a crowded quad, hoping to kill as many Americans as he could. Thankfully, he didn't succeed.


HILLSBOROUGH, N.C. — A former student from Iran was sentenced to up to 33 years in prison Tuesday for plowing his sport utility vehicle into a crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in a self-professed bid to avenge Muslim deaths overseas.
Mohammed Taheri-Azar, 25, pleaded guilty earlier this month to nine counts of attempted murder for the March 2006 attack at a popular outdoor gathering spot known as The Pit.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C410904%2C00.html#ixzz1GilNFsVp


Quote:


My Muslim friend denounces jihad, especially considering jihadists and Saddam Hussein chased her family out of Iraq. So there's at least one for you.

She's a real sweet girl, very into anime if you can believe it. When she heard about the U.S. planning to go to war in Iraq, she recruited a bunch of us to make origami cranes, so that she could wish for her family's safety.




That's super. Glad to hear it.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:50 PM

BYTEMITE


What you said was it was an example of Muslim terrorism. He was a Muslim, but even the FBI says this wasn't an act of jihad.

I'm sorry for making you angry, but this was not a distortion, this is the factual information of the case. You saw Muslim, you saw shooting, and you assumed terrorist and jihad. Not so, and the FBI would agree with me. He was just a quiet kid who snapped one day. In this way he is much more like Loughner than the other cases you listed.

Side note: My initial "Sorry AuRaptor" was also apologetic, shortened from "I'm sorry, I'm afraid I can't agree there." It occurs to me that came off perhaps smartass, and that wasn't my meaning.

The reason I asked you to vet your information better, which I understand frustrates you when you feel you have and which I can also understand how you might think that's offensive, is because I think we should be careful to not blur the line between terrorism and ordinary crime. I would not want to be waterboarded because I went to a protest march that didn't have it's proper permits, or if I distributed a pamphlet encouraging people to attend an illegal protest. The Trolley Square shooting was a violent crime, so perhaps it doesn't matter as much in this case, but I feel popular beliefs and sentiments can create legal precedents.

I don't think you intentionally did anything here, but that one slipped through, and other people are likely to jump on you for little slip-ups like that. You can save yourself a lot of headache.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I never said EVERY immigrant, EVERY muslim, or ANY GOD DAMN THING REMOTELY TO THAT EFFECT!

But you didn't specify a subset of Muslim either. You listed a bunch of "Muslims," and then justified seeing "this group" as a threat.

Here's your list:
Quote:


D.C. Snipers - Muslims
Ft Hood shooter - Muslim
Shoe Bomber - Muslim
El Al Airline shooter at LAX - Muslim
TImes Square Bomber - Muslim
Seattle shooter at Jewish school - Muslim
Denver shooter of 4 co-workers and a police officer - Muslim
Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - Muslim

How are we supposed to know "this group" you see as a threat is a specific subset of Muslim, if you don't say otherwise?

All we see is your trying to justify seeing "Muslims" as a threat. And we protest that overgeneralization.

Now if you had said,
Quote:

D.C. Snipers - extremist psycho violent Muslims
Ft Hood shooter - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Shoe Bomber - extremist psycho violent Muslim
El Al Airline shooter at LAX - extremist psycho violent Muslim
TImes Square Bomber - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Seattle shooter at Jewish school - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Denver shooter of 4 co-workers and a police officer - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - extremist psycho violent Muslim

and that we need to watch out for extremist psycho violent Muslims, then no one would be arguing with you. If you had shown you understood these extremist psycho violent Muslims do not represent the other 1.6 billion human beings of the Islam faith, then we might be able to agree to focus on the "extremist psycho violent" part and leave the many innocent Muslims alone.




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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:But you didn't specify a subset of Muslim either. You listed a bunch of "Muslims," and then justified seeing "this group" as a threat.

Here's your list:
Quote:


D.C. Snipers - Muslims
Ft Hood shooter - Muslim
Shoe Bomber - Muslim
El Al Airline shooter at LAX - Muslim
TImes Square Bomber - Muslim
Seattle shooter at Jewish school - Muslim
Denver shooter of 4 co-workers and a police officer - Muslim
Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - Muslim

How are we supposed to know "this group" you see as a threat is a specific subset of Muslim, if you don't say otherwise?

All we see is your trying to justify seeing "Muslims" as a threat. And we protest that overgeneralization.

Now if you had said,
Quote:

D.C. Snipers - extremist psycho violent Muslims
Ft Hood shooter - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Shoe Bomber - extremist psycho violent Muslim
El Al Airline shooter at LAX - extremist psycho violent Muslim
TImes Square Bomber - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Seattle shooter at Jewish school - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Denver shooter of 4 co-workers and a police officer - extremist psycho violent Muslim
Salt Lake City shooter of 5 is an immigrant - extremist psycho violent Muslim

and that we need to watch out for extremist psycho violent Muslims, then no one would be arguing with you. If you had shown you understood these extremist psycho violent Muslims do not represent the other 1.6 billion human beings of the Islam faith, then we might be able to agree to focus on the "extremist psycho violent" part and leave the many innocent Muslims alone.





You're kidding, right? Tell me that you're simply joking. Because I already once specifically described who I meant, those who do such acts in the name of Allah, not ALL Muslims. It goes with out saying, or should - to anyone with basic understanding - that those Muslims who commit such acts who are by default "extremist psycho violent Muslim", right ?

I mean, is that too hard to figure out ? I think not.



I feel no compulsion to over explain myself, to go around and around and preface my remarks to the hilt, so as to avoid any such phonied up misunderstanding,to avoid the inevitable backlash. There's no amount of prep work I could ever do to keep from being vilified, so why should I bother ?

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:49 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I don't like these hearings at all. This is a big waste of taxpayer money, and a waste of time for the Govt. We have far more serious problems than having hearings because of a few Muslim murderers in America. I think King and his ilk have fallen victim to propaganda that claims that 75% of American mosques are teaching their followers radical jihad. Common sense tells us that if that were even remotely true, we'd be having Muslim terror incidents every day. We don't. Case closed. King is misguided here.








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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:10 AM

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What Jong said. (And also double post.)

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:18 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because I already once specifically described who I meant, those who do such acts in the name of Allah, not ALL Muslims.

Then leave MUSLIM out of it.

Focus on "extremist psycho violence" which comes in all colors and religions.

It is like saying, I hate "extremist psycho violent 2 legged people." Adding the descriptor "2 legged" is 1) irrelevant because what you really hate is the extremist psycho violence, not the fact that they have 2 legs; and 2) prejudicial because it associates extremist psycho violence with having 2 legs.

Let's take it a step closer to home. Let's say some leftwinger posts a list like yours, but beside each name, instead of Muslim, they write "Republican." The fact that some of these psychos are Republican is irrelevant. There are millions of Republicans who don't go psycho violent on people. The only reason to point out they are Republican is to denigrate Republicans in general.

So pointing out they are Muslim is both irrelevant and prejudicial. It is simply an old trick to to denigrate a certain ideology by associating it with violence.

Pointing out that those people are extremist psycho violent freaks is sufficient to address the threat.




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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I don't like these hearings at all. This is a big waste of taxpayer money, and a waste of time for the Govt. We have far more serious problems than having hearings because of a few Muslim murderers in America. I think King and his ilk have fallen victim to propaganda that claims that 75% of American mosques are teaching their followers radical jihad. Common sense tells us that if that were even remotely true, we'd be having Muslim terror incidents every day. We don't. Case close.

King is misguided here.




King isn't in the least bit misguided. He's simply opening his eyes to the real issues. There's no propaganda which states " 75% of American mosques are teaching ... radical jihad ". But the hard cold fact of the matter is, there are some mosques which are teaching exactly that. To deny that, for the sake of Political Correctness, is beyond asinine. Those mosques which ARE teaching that are all King's hearings are about. YOU want to pretend everyone is peace and allah loving, and that simply is not the case.

Good for King and his ilk. I applaud them for living in reality, and not turning a blind eye to those who want to kill us and take our freedoms.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 6:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Because I already once specifically described who I meant, those who do such acts in the name of Allah, not ALL Muslims.

Then leave MUSLIM out of it.



No. Because they ARE Muslims, and to deny that would be folly. I refuse to play stupid to placate the PC nazis and pretend this 1000 year old mindset is exactly on par as a handful of KKK nuts or any other fringe

Quote:


Focus on "extremist psycho violence" which comes in all colors and religions.



Not all religions today have a hankering for death like those from the Muslim faith. That's simply a fact. And that's what we must be faced with, today. OUR time, in which was live and can can impact.

Quote:

It is like saying, I hate "extremist psycho violent 2 legged people." Adding the descriptor "2 legged" is 1) irrelevant because what you really hate is the extremist psycho violence, not the fact that they have 2 legs; and 2) prejudicial because it associates extremist psycho violence with having 2 legs.


It's nothing like that. There are evil, blood thirsty killers, and then there are religious zealots who want to usher in a new era of Islam , at any and all costs.

Quote:

Let's take it a step closer to home. Let's say some leftwinger posts a list like yours, but beside each name, instead of Muslim, they write "Republican." The fact that some of these psychos are Republican is irrelevant. There are millions of Republicans who don't go psycho violent on people. The only reason to point out they are Republican is to denigrate Republicans in general.
Now you're dealing in the hypothetical, and that which has no basis in fact. My list isn't some experiment of the mind. It's very real.

Quote:

So pointing out they are Muslim is both irrelevant and prejudicial. It is simply an old trick to to denigrate a certain ideology by associating it with violence.
No, it's simply calling the problem for what it is.

Quote:

Pointing out that those people are extremist psycho violent freaks is sufficient to address the threat.



As long as you correctly point out that they're Muslims.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:02 AM

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MARCH 16, 2011 4:00 A.M.
Why They Celebrate Murdering Children
Islam is as Islam does.


Do you think the State Department noticed that no one in Arizona, Mexico, or even Mars took to the streets to celebrate the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords? No one seemed to think it was a “natural” act — the Islamic term du jour to rationalize the throat-slitting massacre of a sleeping Jewish family: 36-year-old Udi Fogel, his 35-year-old wife, Ruth, and, yes, their three children: 11-year-old Yoav, 4-year-old Elad, and Hadas, their 3-month-old baby.

There had been about a week between this most hideous Muslim barbarity and . . . well, the last hideous Muslim barbarity. On that one, the Obama administration could not bring itself to label as “terrorism” a Kosovar jihadist’s gory attack on American airmen in Germany.

Arid Uka had opened fire in a sneak attack at the Frankfurt airport, killing two and seriously wounding two others while screaming the obligatory “Allahu Akbar!” Wasn’t that a terrorist attack? Gee whiz, you know, the State Department’s chief spokesman just couldn’t say. After all, in P. J. Crowley’s mindless yet seemingly inevitable comparison, “was the shooting of congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords a terrorist attack?”

Muslims are frequently found carrying out the Koranic directive to “strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers.” Actually, make that the Koranic theme, so often is it reiterated in the scriptures devout Muslims take to be the verbatim commands of Allah. (See, e.g., Suras 3:151, 8:12–13, 8:60, 9:5, 33:25–27, 59:2–4, 59:13.) And that is beside the hadith, scriptures in which Mohammed, taken to be the perfect Muslim role model, boasts, “I have been made victorious with terror.” (Bukhari 4.52.220 — just scroll down from here, through the glories promised to Muslims who wage jihad against the infidels.)

Muslims, in fact, are more often exhorted by their scriptures to brutalize non-Muslims than Christians are urged by the gospels to love their enemies and turn the other cheek. Yet, though we assume the latter are meant to take the message to heart, we are somehow sure Islam doesn’t really mean what it says — that when Muslims strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, it must be Israel’s fault, or America’s, or something, anything, other than Islam, the only common denominator in these attacks.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/262229/why-they-celebrate-murde
ring-children-andrew-c-mccarthy

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

There's no propaganda which states " 75% of American mosques are teaching ... radical jihad ".


Really? No anti-Muslim propaganda on the 75% preaching jihad figure? What's all this then?

http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2710-75%25-of-US-Mosques-Preach-J
ihad.html


http://www.eutimes.net/2008/02/study-75-of-us-mosques-preach-anti-west
-extremism
/

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message509941/pg1




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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:33 AM

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I'd call it shoddy reporting of the facts...

Quote:

... former counter terrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the United States. So far a little more than 100 mosques have been surveyed and around 75% of those are preaching anti-western hatred, insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.


So, out of a sample of some 2,300 mosques, a unofficial comment after just 100 surveyed says that " around 75% " are what... teaching pro Islamic ideas ? Or are they teaching that it's fine to blow up school buses and wedding receptions ?

Big difference there.


If you're going to post Pirate News as 'propaganda' too, then ya got me. Paint me guilty on missing this one.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:41 AM

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What do you mean by "There's no propaganda which states " 75% of American mosques are teaching ... radical jihad "? I just DIRECTLY QUOTED the statement that 80%of mosques...look it up, it was said. Oops, I see links have already been provided on this, but here’s some direct quotes:

2004:
Quote:

"I would say, you could say that 80-85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists," he said. "Those who are in control. The average Muslim, no, they are loyal, but they don't work, they don't come forward, they don't tell the police … ."
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=23257#ixzz1GmgNLmB1

1999, from a right-wing site:
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Naqshbandi Sufi leader Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani declared in a State Department Open Forum that Islamic supremacists controlled most mosques in America: “The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques,” he said, “that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States – like churches they were established by different organizations and that is ok – but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology. Because they are very active they took over the mosques; and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the US. And there are more than 3000 mosques in the US. So it means that the methodology or ideology of extremist has been spread to 80% of the Muslim population.

Terrorism expert Yehudit Barsky affirmed the same thing in 2005, saying that 80% of the mosques in this country “have been radicalized by Saudi money and influence.”

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/08/10/closed-for-business/

On the Laura Ingram’s show, January of this year:
Quote:

HOST: Congressman, how widespread do you think this radical jihad sentiment is in US mosques? How many mosques do you think are infected?
KING: The only real testimony we have on it is from Sheikh Kabbani who was a Muslim leader during the Clinton Administration, he testified back in 1999 and 2000 before the State Department that he thought over 80 percent of the mosques in this country are controlled by radical Imams. Certainly from what I’ve seen and dealings I’ve had, that number seems accurate.

Quote:

King has often repeated the dubious statistic that "80% of mosques are radicalized" to justify his single-minded focus on Muslim Americans. But this statistic, while often quoted by conservatives, has no empirical basis. It was thrown out glibly by a single person, Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, who based the more than decade-old claim not on scholarly research but on his own, anecdotal evidence.
http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=02&year=2
011&base_name=why_are_kings_huac_hearings_st


Look it up if you don’t believe it or don’t like my references: It was said, by more than one (all from the right), and it IS propaganda.

As for
Quote:

Because they ARE Muslims, and to deny that would be folly. I refuse to play stupid to placate the PC nazis”, again, nobody is denying that there is domestic Muslim terrorism; please back that up...only you can’t. As to “shoddy reporting”, you didn’t post a link to that quote, so we can’t see it for ourselves to verify it’s accuracy OR the content. It states “100 mosques”—which is a tiny percentage of mosques in this country, what mosques were investigated, when that was written, we can’t know.

That you are stuck on the issue and need to keep saying people are "ignoring" and "denying" it pretty much says it all.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:48 AM

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Yeah, Niki, it does say it all, as you ARE ignoring and denying the issue.

And I find it funny that you keep posting things from pre 9/11 when defending the religion of 'peace'.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:58 AM

STORYMARK


I'm totally fine with these hearings, and the notion of investigating the spread of extremist Muslims in the country.

I do find it hilarious that righties loose their shit if someone should even dare to suggest that right-wing extremists should be looked at as well. Not even in lieu of.... but just mentioning the fact that there are right wing terrorists just sets them right the fuck off. Very amusing, and rather telling about them.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:18 AM

KANEMAN


Canttakesky "Then leave MUSLIM out of it." Focus on "extremist psycho violence" which comes in all colors and religions."

Didn't watch the video AUrapt put up did you? He goes through all the trouble to make his case with examples and a video from a leftie agreeing and making his case....what does he get "Not all Muslim" crap. Knowing he never said "All Muslims"

Leave MUSLIM out of it? What is the title of this thread? You know better.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:24 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, Niki, it does say it all, as you ARE ignoring and denying the issue.

And I find it funny that you keep posting things from pre 9/11 when defending the religion of 'peace'.





How is this 2011 only.

2011.03.15 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Three men sitting outside an auto repair shop are riddled with bullets by Muslim 'insurgents'.
2011.03.15 Afghanistan Nangarhar 1 0 The Taliban plant a bomb in a classroom, killing a teacher.
2011.03.14 Afghanistan Kunduz 36 42 Four children are among three dozen innocents dismembered by a massive suicide blast at a recruitment center.
2011.03.14 Nigeria Plateau 6 0 Five family members are among six Christian villagers slaughtered by Muslim raiders.
2011.03.14 Iraq Diyala 11 14 Eleven Iraqi security personnel are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2011.03.13 Pakistan Hangu 9 6 Islamic militants fire indiscriminately into a van carrying Shia civilians, killing nine.
2011.03.13 Afghanistan Helmand 6 0 Six civilians are taken down by Taliban roadside bombers.
2011.03.13 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 A moderate cleric is shot to death by Islamic radicals in a drive-by attack outside his home..
2011.03.12 Pakistan Hairdin 6 0 A married couple and their four young children are turned into debris by an Islamist mortar attack on their home.
2011.03.12 Israel Itamar 5 0 A baby and two young children are slaughtered in their home along with their parents, who fought the Muslims in vain to keep their children from being stabbed to death.
2011.03.12 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Four civilians are cut to shreds by a roadside bomb.
2011.03.12 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Seven Iraqi soldiers on their way to work are brutally machine-gunned in their car at point-blank range.
2011.03.11 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A seminary teacher is assassinated by sectarian rivals.
2011.03.10 Nigeria Bauchi 3 5 At least three residents are killed when Fulani raiders sweep their village, shooting and burning homes.
2011.03.10 Philippines Jolo 3 11 Abu Sayyaf militants detonate a shrapnel bomb outside a school, killing three innocents.
2011.03.10 Afghanistan Kunduz 3 8 A local police chief on patrol is among three people ripped to shreds by a suicide bomber.
2011.03.10 Pakistan Peshawar 1 1 Mujahideen fire on a car containing a peace committee contingent, killing the driver.
2011.03.09 Iraq Diyala 1 1 A 3-year-old girl is dismembered, and her father seriously wounded by a targeted al-Qaeda blast outside their house.
2011.03.09 Iraq al-Makheirja 2 2 Mujahideen toss a grenade into a family home, killing a man and a woman.
2011.03.09 Egypt Cairo 9 150 Nine Copts, including a child, are killed and over a hundred more injured when a Muslim mob hurls firebombs and shoots into a group protesting a church burning.
2011.03.09 Pakistan Adezai 43 52 A Shahid suicide bomber detonates at the funeral of the wife of a peace committee member, sending over 40 souls to Allah.
2011.03.08 Iraq Abu Ghraib 1 0 A government employee is dragged out of his home and stabbed to death in front of his family.
2011.03.08 Ethiopia Asendabo 2 0 Two Christians are killed when angry Muslims rampage through their community, burning churches and homes.
2011.03.08 Pakistan Faisalabad 32 125 Islamists detonate a massive bomb at a gas station, incinerating over thirty innocents.
2011.03.08 Algeria Djelfa 5 0 Fundamentalist bombers attack a group of bird hunters, killing five.
2011.03.08 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim 'separatists' knock a man off his motorcycle and then shoot him twice in the head.
2011.03.07 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists murder a 61-year-old man in an attack the leaves his young granddaughter seriously injured.
2011.03.07 Afghanistan Jalalabad 2 19 Hardliners plant a bomb in front of a rival mosque, killing two people.
2011.03.07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamic 'separatists' shoot a man to death as he is returning home from work.
2011.03.07 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A Buddhist man is killed and his mother seriously wounded in an Islamic drive-by.
2011.03.06 Afghanistan Paktika 12 5 Five children are among a dozen civilians who bleed out following a fundamentalist roadside bombing.
2011.03.06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists shoot a 23-year-old man to death in front of his mother.
2011.03.06 Iraq Basra 8 12 'Insurgents' attach a bomb to a passenger bus, killing eight innocents.
2011.03.06 Yemen Zinjibar 2 0 Islamic militia murder two men, one at a vegetable market.
2011.03.06 Thailand Pattani 1 3 A 64-year-old man is murdered when Muslim militants fire on a group of teachers.
2011.03.06 Thailand Pattani 1 4 Muslim militants open fire on a market, killing a guard and seriously injuring four patrons.
2011.03.06 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Two students die in an 'insurgent' ambush.
2011.03.05 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 A cleric and his son are murdered by Religion of Peace rivals.
2011.03.05 Thailand Pattani 1 2 A Buddhist monk is shot through the head in a Muslim drive-by. Two others are injured.
2011.03.05 Iraq Abu Kamis 1 0 Suspected al-Qaeda gunmen murder a civilian.
2011.03.05 Iraq Khalis 2 2 Terrorists burst into a cafe and shoot dead two patrons.
2011.03.05 Pakistan Mohmand 2 7 Two members of a peace committee are taken apart by a Taliban rocket attack.
2011.03.05 Iraq Hilla 4 0 Terrorists take down four Iraqis with a roadside bomb.
2011.03.04 Pakistan Danda 1 0 Terrorists shoot a man to death outside a cafe for the crime of insulting Islam two years earlier.
2011.03.04 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A radical Sunni group is thought responsible for the murder of a factory guard.
2011.03.04 Pakistan Nowshera 10 37 Sunnis detonate a powerful bomb at a Sufi mosque during Friday prayers, taking down ten worshippers.
2011.03.04 Egypt Sol 2 0 A Muslim mob, angry over a relationship between a Muslim girl and Christian boy, kills the two fathers and burns down a church.
2011.03.03 Iraq Haditha 8 10 A suicide bomber wades into a crowd at a bank and sends eight customers to Allah.
2011.03.03 Pakistan Khyber 6 3 Islamic militants ambush a vehicle and kill six security officers.
2011.03.03 Pakistan Hangu 9 31 Women and children are among the casualties when a suicide car bomber detonates along a city street.
2011.03.02 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Mujahideen bombers blow up a home, killing a civilian.
2011.03.02 Pakistan Islamabad 1 1 A Catholic cabinet minister is brutally shot to death in his car after being accused of blasphemy.
2011.03.02 Iraq Baghdad 1 20 A sectarian bombing leaves one person dead.
2011.03.02 Germany Frankfurt 2 2 A gunmen yells 'Allah Akbar' and opens fire on unarmed US soldiers on a bus, killing two.
2011.03.02 Iraq Ramadi 1 3 One victims bleeds out after a suicide bomber attacks a rival mosque.
2011.03.02 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A seminary teacher is shot to death by sectarian rivals.
2011.03.01 Pakistan Miranshah 4 0 Four villagers are abducted and executed in captivity by Sunni fundamentalists.
2011.03.01 Yemen Abyan 2 11 An ambulance driver is among two people slain in an al-Qaeda ambush.
2011.03.01 Pakistan Mardan 1 19 One student is killed when the Taliban throw a grenade into a girl's school.
2011.03.01 Pakistan Mohmand 3 1 Three tribesman are killed by a Taliban landmine.
2011.03.01 Pakistan Bara 1 0 Religion of Peace proponents behead a civilian and dump his head and torso in separate areas.
2011.03.01 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 Boko Haram gunmen murder an off-duty cop in his home.
2011.03.01 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 A guard at a church is gunned down in an Islamist drive-by.
2011.03.01 Ethiopia Oma 0 17 Seventeen students are beaten with rods and pelted with stones for distributing Bibles.
2011.03.01 Pakistan Pakhtunkhwa 2 0 Islamists are suspected of shooting a farmer and one other person to death.
2011.02.28 Nigeria Kaduna 2 0 Two guards die from bullet wounds after Boko Haram gunmen roll up on a police station.
2011.02.28 Nigeria Dabwak 5 0 A Christian mother and four of her children are slaughtered in their home by Muslim militants..
2011.02.28 India Srinagar 1 0 An engineer and father of three dies from shrapnel injuries suffered from an Islamist grenade attack at a market.
2011.02.28 India Baramulla 1 0 A shopkeeper is murdered by Mujahideen gunmen.
2011.02.28 Turkey Mersin 1 0 A 19-year-old woman is stabbed to death by her family after running away with her boyfriend.
2011.02.27 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 54-year-old salesman is shot to death by Muslim militants.
2011.02.27 Afghanistan Arghandab 8 25 Taliban bombers take down eight civilians at a public event.
2011.02.27 Somalia Mandera 1 10 A woman is killed when Islamic militia attack a Red Cross office.
2011.02.27 India Pulwama 1 0 Islamic militants shoot a truck driver to death in his home.
2011.02.27 Pakistan Landi Kotal 1 0 A tribal elder is abducted and murdered by suspected Lashkar-e-Islam.
2011.02.26 Afghanistan Faryab 4 30 A teenage suicide bomber detonates at a playing field, killing at least four civilian spectators.
2011.02.26 Afghanistan Khost 9 0 Three children and four women are among nine civilians pulverized by a roadside blast.
2011.02.26 Iraq Baiji 4 0 Terrorists attack an oil refinery and murder four employees.
2011.02.26 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A university professor is assassinated by suspected fundamentalists.
2011.02.26 Pakistan Peshawar 4 17 Mujahideen attack a fuel station, killing four people.
2011.02.25 Russia Nalchik 0 12 A dozen guards are injured when Islamists try to stage a grenade attack on a hospital.
2011.02.25 Iraq Fallujah 6 1 al-Qaeda gunmen storm a home and shoot six residents to death.
2011.02.24 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 1 26 Two suicide car bombers kill only the guard managing to stop them.
2011.02.24 Pakistan Peshawar 4 0 Four drivers and their assistants are incinerated when Islamists firebomb a group of fuel tankers.
2011.02.24 Iraq Mahata 4 0 A man and his three sons are brutally shot to death by al-Qaeda fundamentalists.
2011.02.24 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A 70-year-old Christian man is stabbed to death in his home by Muslim radicals.
2011.02.24 Egypt Wadi el-Natroun 0 19 Two monks are among nineteen injured when military forces storm a Coptic monastery with live ammunition.
2011.02.24 Iraq Ramadi 11 18 A Sunni suicide bomber detonates at a Shia cultural center, shredding eleven innocent lives.
2011.02.23 Gaza Khan Younis 1 2 A 10-year-old girl is killed when a Hamas bomb detonate prematurely.
2011.02.23 Pakistan Landikotal 5 2 Five local security personnel are killed during a Taliban assault on their post.
2011.02.23 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 A cop is gunned down by Boko Haram Islamists.
2011.02.23 Egypt Assiut 1 0 A priest is brutally stabbed to death in his home by killers shouting 'Allah Akbar!'
2011.02.22 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 38-year-old man is murdered in an 'insurgent' drive-by shooting.
2011.02.22 Nigeria Borno 18 7 Eighteen Christian villagers are massacred during a Muslim raid.
2011.02.22 Oman Coast 4 0 A retired missionary couple is among four Americans taken hostage and executed in cold blood by Muslim pirates.
2011.02.22 Pakistan Torghundai 6 10 Three children, ages 3, 6 & 8, and two women are among six killed in their homes by a Taliban rocket attack.
2011.02.22 Iraq Baqubah 1 0 An imam in murdered in his mosque by Religion of Peace rivals.
2011.02.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 32-year-old Buddhist is murdered by Islamic gunmen while walking home from a tea shop.
2011.02.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A Buddhist couple is targeted by Muslim terrorists, with the husband dying from injuries.
2011.02.21 Iraq Samarrah 12 18 A dozen police sent to guard Shia pilgrims are blown to bits by a Sunni suicide bomber.
2011.02.21 Pakistan Hajano 1 0 A 55-year-old woman is murdered in her sleep by her son for having an affair.
2011.02.21 Afghanistan Kunduz 31 40 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends over thirty civilians to their death as they are lining up for identity cards.
2011.02.21 Thailand Yala 1 12 Muslim bombers set off a blast in front of a supermarket, killing a local woman.
2011.02.21 Somalia Mogadishu 14 35 al-Shabaab suicide attackers ram an explosives-laden vehicle into a police compound, killing over fourteen people.
2011.02.21 Yemen Sanaa 5 6 Five people, including civilians, are killed when al-Qaeda gunmen roll up on a checkpoint.
2011.02.20 Iraq Shirqat 2 6 A suicide car bomber cruises into a rival mosque, killing at least two.
2011.02.20 Thailand Narathiwat 0 17 Children are among the casualties when Muslim militants set off a car bomb a rake a restaurant with gunfire.
2011.02.20 Pakistan Mosakki 2 0 Two villagers are murdered by Islamic militants.
2011.02.20 Iraq Shirqat 2 6 A suicide bomber detonates at a rival mosque, killing two worshippers.
2011.02.19 Afghanistan Jalalabad 42 71 Sunni hardliners send suicide bombers and gunmen into a bank to massacre over forty people.
2011.02.19 Russia Zayukovo 4 1 Caucasus Emirate terrorists stop a van full of ski tourists and then machine-gun them to death.
2011.02.18 Afghanistan Nangarhar 2 0 Two bomb disposal team members are murdered by Taliban roadside bombers.
2011.02.18 Afghanistan Baghlan 3 7 Three German soldiers working on a vehicle are machine-gunned at close range by a terrorist in a friendly uniform.
2011.02.18 Nigeria Darazo 2 2 A civilian and bank guard are killed in separate attacks by suspected Boko Haram.
2011.02.18 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A 19-year-old man is shot in the head and neck by Muslim 'separatists'.
2011.02.18 Afghanistan Khost 11 40 Women and children are among the dead when a devout Sunni detonates in a commercial district, taking eleven others with him.
2011.02.18 India Bandipora 1 0 Islamists gun down a local political activist.
2011.02.18 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslim gunmen take down a 44-year-old man.
2011.02.18 Afghanistan Nangahar 3 0 Three Afghans are shredded by a Taliban roadside bomb.
2011.02.17 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A university professor is lynched in his home by 'insurgents'.
2011.02.17 Iraq al-Maqdadiyah 13 35 Thirteen souls at an auto trade fair are sent to Allah by suicide car bombers.
2011.02.17 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A local soldier is shot in the head and neck by Islamists while riding to work with his wife.
2011.02.17 Afghanistan Kunduz 2 0 The Taliban take down two Afghans with a well-placed bomb.
2011.02.17 Iraq Baghdad 3 10 Sectarian Jihadis stab three women to death in their home and detonate a bomb that injures ten Iranian pilgrims.
2011.02.17 Pakistan Bannu 1 0 One person is killed in two bombings by Islamic militants, one of which was at a girls' school.
2011.02.17 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Terrorists shoot a journalist to death.
2011.02.16 Iraq Khalidiya 2 0 Two brothers are murdered in their home by Islamic gunmen.
2011.02.16 Yemen Hadramout 1 3 A top intelligence official is shot to death in his car by al-Qaeda militants.
2011.02.15 Iraq Kut 1 0 A Mujahideen sniper kills an Iraqi interpreter.
2011.02.15 Nigeria Maiduguri 2 0 Two people are killed when Boko Haram gunmen attack two churches.
2011.02.15 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Sunni hardliners kidnap and publicly execute two civilians.
2011.02.15 Iraq Baghdad 4 6 A woman is among four civilians taken down by a pair of Jihad bomb blasts.
2011.02.14 Afghanistan Kabul 2 2 Two guards at a shopping mall sacrifice themselves stopping a Shahid suicide bomber from entering.
2011.02.14 Pakistan Pakhtunkhwa 4 0 Four civilians are abducted and executed by Mujahideen Khurasaan terrorists.
2011.02.14 Russia Gubden 3 26 A female suicide bomber murders three people.
2011.02.13 Somalia Mogadishu 3 10 Three civilians die from shrapnel injuries suffered when Islamists throw a grenade into the street.
2011.02.13 Iran Tehran 1 0 A pro-democracy protester is shot to death by the government.
2011.02.13 Thailand Yala 0 18 Eighteen people are injured when Islamic radicals detonate a car bomb outside a bank.
2011.02.12 Iraq Samarrah 36 64 Three dozen Shia pilgrims on a bus are massacred by Sunni suicide bomber.
2011.02.12 Afghanistan Kandahar 21 45 Fedayeen gunmen with explosives vests attack a police station, killing at least twenty-one, including civilians.
2011.02.11 Pakistan Mardan 5 0 Five civilians are brutally executed in captivity by Taliban militants.
2011.02.11 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim gunmen take down two men in separate attacks, one at a market and the other in front of a mosque.
2011.02.11 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A young mother is shot in the head by Islamists while carrying her 2-year-old daughter.
2011.02.10 Iraq Dujail 9 39 Nine Shia pilgrims on foot, mostly women and children, are brutally blown to bits by Sunni car bombers
2011.02.10 Nigeria Alice 2 3 A father is among two Christians shot to death by militant Muslims in their homes.
2011.02.10 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 32-year-old is shot to death by Muslim 'separatists'.
2011.02.10 Nigeria Kuru 5 9 A 4-year-old is one of five Christian villagers hacked and shot to death by Islamic raiders.
2011.02.10 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Two women are among three Buddhist civilians viciously murdered and then burned by Muslim extremists.
2011.02.10 Pakistan North Waziristan 3 0 Sunni hardliners kidnap and execute three people, then throw the bodies into a sack.
2011.02.10 Afghanistan Kunduz 7 5 Seven people lose their lives to a Shahid suicide bomber.
2011.02.10 Pakistan Mardan 31 50 A teenage suicide bomber dressed as a schoolboy 'gives his life to Islam' - and takes thirty-one others with him.
2011.02.09 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 A man and his son are forced out of their home by Muslim terrorists and machine-gunned to death.
2011.02.09 Pakistan Pakhtunkhwa 4 6 Four security personnel are taken down in two remote-controlled bombings.
2011.02.09 Dagestan Makhachkala 2 0 Two policemen are gunned down in cold blood by suspected Islamic 'rebels'.
2011.02.09 Iraq Kirkuk 11 104 Three car bombs leave at least eleven Iraqis dead.
2011.02.09 Pakistan Charsadda 1 3 A civilian at a cattle market is killed by a remote-controlled bomb.
2011.02.08 Thailand Yala 1 1 A 58-year-old Buddhist man and his wife are shot in their pickup truck by Muslim 'insurgents'.
2011.02.08 Somalia Galka'y 1 0 A judge is assassinated by al-Shabaab gunmen.
2011.02.08 India Thakurdwara 1 0 A 19-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her brother on suspicion of having sex.
2011.02.08 Indonesia Temanggung 0 7 A Muslim mob viciously beats a priest trying unsuccessfully to keep them from burning three churches and an orphanage.
2011.02.08 Afghanistan Balkh 1 3 Islamists attack a bomb to a police vehicle which results in the death of an occupant.
2011.02.07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 5 An customs official is taken out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2011.02.07 Afghanistan Bak 1 0 A local official is assassinated by Sunni fundamentalists.
2011.02.07 Iraq Iskandariya 2 0 A woman is among two Iraqis murdered by Mujahideen bombers.
2011.02.07 Pakistan Hangu 2 6 Hardliners fire rockets into a police vehicle, killing two officers.
2011.02.06 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 Muslim radicals are suspected in the shooting death of a Hindu man.
2011.02.06 Philippines Kabacan 6 6 A 4-year-old boy is among six civilians killed in the crossfire when rival Religion of Peace groups shoot at each other.
2011.02.06 Indonesia Banten 3 6 Three members of the Ahmadiyah minority sect are dragged out of their homes and beaten to death by a Sunni mob chanting 'Allah Akbar'.
2011.02.06 Pakistan Nut Kallan 1 0 A young Christian is tortured to death by several Muslims.
2011.02.05 Pakistan Karak 4 0 Four civilians are abducted and shot to death. Notes pinned to their bodies accuse them of being Jewish spies.
2011.02.05 Philippines M'lang 2 0 Two farmers are shot to death in their field by Moro Islamists.
2011.02.05 Iraq Balad 2 3 Sunni bombers target a Shia shrine, killing two pilgrims.
2011.02.05 Pakistan Khyber 3 2 Three civilians are ripped to pieces by a car bomb.
2011.02.05 DRC Kivu 12 0 ADF-NALU terrorists kidnap, torture and murder a dozen villagers.
2011.02.04 Somalia Mudug 1 0 A young boy is shot in the back by al-Shabaab for trying to flee forced prayer.
2011.02.04 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two security personnel are murdered by Muslim bombers.
2011.02.04 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 The Taliban gun down a bank guard.
2011.02.04 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Militant Muslims fire into a Buddhist village, killing one.
2011.02.04 Iraq Tuz Khormato 3 0 Two teenage boys are among three Iraqis blown to bits in a targeted bombing.
2011.02.04 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A Shia leader dies from wounds suffered in a sectarian attack the night before.
2011.02.04 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 3 Women and children are among the casualties when Jihadi bombers target a market.
2011.02.03 Iraq Ramadi 6 19 A Shahid suicide bomber murders six Iraqis.
2011.02.03 Afghanistan Kunduz 3 0 A man and his two young sons are ripped to shreds by Taliban bombers.
2011.02.03 Thailand Pattani 5 2 Muslim militants spray a group of elderly Buddhists at a market with machine-gun fire, killing five.
2011.02.03 Pakistan Lahore 3 27 Islamic militants bomb a rival shrine during food distribution, killing three.
2011.02.03 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslim radicals slit the throat of a 49-year-old plantation worker.
2011.02.03 Iraq Baghdad 6 24 Three Mujahid bombings take down six Iraqis.
2011.02.03 Mauritania Bezoul 1 0 A local cop is gunned down by al-Qaeda militants.
2011.02.02 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 Three civilians are murdered by Muslim roadside bombers.
2011.02.02 Russia Chegem 5 0 Islamic radicals burst into a cafe and gun down five traffic cops in cold blood.
2011.02.02 Pakistan Peshawar 10 26 Women and children are among a dozen innocents slain when Sunnis set off a bomb at a crowded market.
2011.02.02 Pakistan Vehari 1 0 A 14-year-old girl is slowly shocked to death by her family for refusing to marry a cousin.
2011.02.02 Iraq Baghdad 6 18 Six Iraqis are killed in a series of Jihad attacks.
2011.02.02 Pakistan Anargi 3 4 Three local security forces are killed in a Tehreek-e-Taliban attack on their post.
2011.02.01 Somalia Banadir 2 0 Mujahideen set off a bomb near a hospital, killing two civilians.
2011.02.01 Somalia Mogadishu 3 7 Three Somalis are killed by Islamic militia in a roadside attack.
2011.02.01 Pakistan Kharan 2 0 Militants fire on an oil tanker, killing a driver and helper.
2011.02.01 Somalia Mogadishu 1 5 al-Shabaab bombers take out a local cop.
2011.02.01 Thailand Yala 4 0 Two Buddhist children, ages 7 and 15, are kidnapped and shot to death by Religion of Peace 'separatists'.
2011.02.01 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 1 Islamic gunmen murder a police officer and critically injure his young daughter.
2011.01.31 Pakistan Peshawar 5 19 Five people are torn to shreds by a suicide bomber on foot.
2011.01.31 Pakistan Hayat Abad 1 3 Terrorists use a remote-controlled bomb to murder a traffic cop.
2011.01.31 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 An engineer is shot to death by Mujahideen.
2011.01.31 India Sopore 2 0 Two teenage daughters of a poor laborer are pulled out of their home and brutally executed by Lashkar-e-Toiba, reportedly for reading the Bible.
2011.01.31 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 Islamic snipers shoot an administration official to death in his car near a market.
2011.01.31 Bangladesh Shariatpur 1 0 A 14-year-old girl is lashed to death on the orders of a Sharia council. Her "crime" was having been raped by a 40-year-old married man.
2011.01.30 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 A checkpoint guard is shot to death by Islamic snipers.
2011.01.30 Pakistan Jhanda Masood 2 0 Two children are killed by a suspected Tehreek-e-Taliban landmine.
2011.01.30 Nigeria Ayaruje 3 0 Three Christian villagers are hacked to death by Muslims with machetes.
2011.01.30 Israel Beersheba 0 1 An 18-year-old girl is shot by her brother over Facebook pictures that he felt 'dishonored' the family.
2011.01.30 Egypt Sharona 11 4 Very young children are among eleven members of two Coptic families shot to death in their homes at point-blank range by Islamic radicals.
2011.01.29 Thailand Pattani 0 4 A Buddhist monk and three others are injured by a Mujahideen bomb blast while collecting alms.
2011.01.29 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 3 A deputy governor is assassinated by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2011.01.29 Pakistan Peshawar 4 19 Two women are among four civilians incinerated by twin truck bombs targeting a road tunnel.
2011.01.29 Pakistan Pakhtunkhwa 2 6 Two civilians are taken out by Islamic hardliners in an ambush.
2011.01.29 Nigeria Jos 1 0 A Muslim soldier deliberately shoots a 6-year-old Christian boy to death before he is taken down by other soldiers.
2011.01.29 Somalia Mogadishu 5 16 al-Shabaab takes responsibility for an attack that leaves five civilians dead.
2011.01.29 Yemen Marib 1 4 One member of a security patrol is killed by an al-Qaeda sniper.
2011.01.28 Nigeria Jos 3 0 Three university students belonging to a local church are stabbed to death by Muslim terrorists.
2011.01.28 Nigeria Borno 7 0 Boko Haram Islamists take credit for shooting seven people to death outside a mosque.
2011.01.28 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim 'insurgents' gun down a 35-year-old man in front of his home.
2011.01.28 Afghanistan Kabul 8 15 Four children and their family member are slaughtered at a supermarket by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2011.01.27 Nigeria Were 2 11 Islamic radicals kill two people and burn down several Christian homes.
2011.01.27 Dagestan Khasavyurt 4 6 Four people sitting at a cafe bleed out following an Islamist car bomb blast.
2011.01.27 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 14 8 Muslim raiders invade four Christian villages and hack fourteen people to death in their own homes.
2011.01.27 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two men bleed out following an 'insurgent' drive-by.
2011.01.27 Thailand Yala 1 0 A Buddhist mother is shot to death in front of her child by Islamic militants.
2011.01.27 Iraq Baghdad 2 7 In the aptly named Jihad neighborhood, a bomb left on a bus kills two passengers.
2011.01.27 Somalia Lafole 0 10 Ten people are severely thrashed by Islamists for 'anti-Islam' crimes, including watching porn.
2011.01.27 Iraq Baghdad 48 121 Dedicated Sunni suicide bombers take down fifty Shiite mourners at a funeral.
2011.01.26 Yemen Hadramout 5 3 A vicious al-Qaeda ambush on a post office vehicle leaves five people dead.
2011.01.26 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 1 Boko Haram extremists fire on a school, killing a guard.
2011.01.25 Afghanistan Mullah Quli 2 0 Video surfaces of a brutal stoning the previous August of two young lovers.
2011.01.25 Philippines Minila 5 13 Abu Sayyaf militants plant a bomb on a packed bus, killing at least five passengers.
2011.01.25 Thailand Yala 9 2 Nine Buddhists returning from a hunting trip are blown to smithereens by Muslim bombers.
2011.01.25 Pakistan Lahore 10 70 A 16-year-old Sunni suicide bomber from the terror group Fedayeen Islam sends ten Shia pilgrims to Allah.
2011.01.25 Pakistan Karachi 4 5 A motorcycle bomb leaves four people dead.
2011.01.24 Thailand Pattani 1 1 A 48-year-old pickup truck driver is shot several times in the head by Islamic 'separatists' .
2011.01.24 Iraq Karbala 12 32 Sunnis send a dozen Shia pilgrims to Allah with a car bomb.
2011.01.24 Iraq Karbala 14 164 Fourteen Shia pilgrims on foot are shredded by another Sunni car bomb following an earlier blast.
2011.01.24 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 A soldier on sick leave is gunned down by Islamists along a city street.
2011.01.24 Pakistan Landikotal 1 2 A suspected Taliban mortar shell lands on a house, killing a young boy.
2011.01.24 Russia Moscow 35 130 Three dozen innocent people at an airport are cut to shreds by shrapnel from two suicide bombers.
2011.01.23 Iraq Baghdad 10 30 Pilgrims are among ten people killed by a series of Sunni suicide bombings.
2011.01.23 Nigeria Jos 8 5 A woman and daughter are among six Christian villagers are hacked to death in the middle of the night during two separate Muslim raids.
2011.01.23 Pakistan Bahawalpur 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is electrocuted by her family for falling in love with the wrong man.
2011.01.23 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 A guard outside a church is murdered by Islamic gunmen.
2011.01.23 Pakistan Hangu 3 4 Religious militants ride up to a vehicle and machine-gun three civilians to death.
2011.01.23 Iraq Taji 2 0 Islamic terrorists murder a farmer and son on their way to sell their harvest.
2011.01.23 Iraq Tarmiyah 2 0 Two young boys are killed by a Jihad bomb planted outside a school.
2011.01.23 Nigeria Biu 1 2 Boko Haram radicals gun down a soldier at a checkpoint.
2011.01.22 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man riding a motorcycle is murdered by Muslim gunmen.
2011.01.22 Pakistan Orakzai 3 6 Three locals are cut down by a Taliban bomb.
2011.01.22 Afghanistan Helmand 1 9 A local cop is taken down by a roadside bomb.
2011.01.22 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 6 Two children are crushed to death when Wahabbi militants fire a rocket into their home.
2011.01.21 Pakistan Kurram 2 0 Islamic militants shoot two villagers to death.
2011.01.20 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 A Shia doctor is among two people killed in targeted sectarian attacks.
2011.01.20 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 4 A child is among three civilians taken down by a Taliban bomb.
2011.01.20 Pakistan Kurram 3 0 Three civilians are killed when their farm equipment rolls over a Taliban landmine.
2011.01.20 Iraq Baghdad 1 10 A Shia pilgrim on foot is murdered by Sunni bombers.
2011.01.20 Iraq Karbala 51 182 At least fifty Shiites are wiped out by four separate Sunni bombings at entry points to their holy city.
2011.01.20 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 23-year-old man loses his life to an Islamic drive-by.
2011.01.20 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 Sunni fundamentalists calmly walk up to a 50-year-old man and shoot him in the back of the head.
2011.01.20 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Terrorists gun down a young married couple at an evening market.
2011.01.20 Iraq Baqubah 3 30 Mujahideen detonate a car bomb outside a police station, killing three Iraqis.
2011.01.20 Pakistan Kohat 6 2 Six oil workers are shot to death by Mujahideen.
2011.01.19 Iraq Ghalbiyah 2 16 Two Shiite pilgrims are sent to Allah by a Sunni suicide bomber.
2011.01.19 Thailand Narathiwat 4 6 Four local soldiers are killed during a surprise assault by Muslim terrorists while they are eating and playing soccer with the locals.
2011.01.19 Afghanistan Paktika 20 0 Thirteen children and six women are among twenty civilians taken out by Taliban roadside bombers.
2011.01.19 Pakistan Khyber 3 0 Three truck drivers are abducted and shot in the head at close range by Holy Warriors.
2011.01.19 Iraq Baqubah 15 64 Innovative Muslims use an explosives-packed ambulance to slaughter fifteen unsuspecting Iraqis.
2011.01.19 Philippines Albarka 1 0 A local soldier dies from injuries suffered during an Abu Sayyaf ambush.
2011.01.19 Pakistan Peshawar 2 14 Children are among the casualties when fundamentalists bomb a school that teaches girls.
2011.01.18 Pakistan Razmak 3 3 Three Pakistanis are killed by a Taliban rocket attack.
2011.01.18 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Four terrorists, pretending to be customers, shoot a shop owner three times in the chest.
2011.01.18 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 43-year-old Buddhist woman is shot in the head by militant Muslims.
2011.01.18 Pakistan Hangu 4 0 Four men are brutally executed by Tehreek-e-Taliban radicals.
2011.01.18 Iraq Tikrit 66 160 Sixty-six innocents are cut down by a religious radical with a ball-bearing packed suicide vest.
2011.01.18 Pakistan Ghaziabad 2 0 A man hacks his wife and 17-year-old daughter to death three months apart with a meat cleaver on suspicion of 'illicit relations'.
2011.01.18 Afghanistan Bala Murgab 1 1 An Italian soldier is shot in the head by a terrorist wearing a friendly uniform.
2011.01.17 Pakistan Hangu 18 9 Eighteen people on a bus are ripped apart by fundamentalist bombers.
2011.01.17 Somalia Mogadishu 5 12 Islamic militants fire a mortar into a residential area, killing five innocents.
2011.01.17 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Three religious minorities, a mother and two daughters, are found dead and suspected to have been murdered for their faith.
2011.01.17 Iraq Anbar 1 9 A Shahid suicide bomber kills at least one Iraqi.
2011.01.16 Afghanistan Baghlan 9 0 Six women, two men and a child are blown to bits by Taliban bombers while traveling to a wedding.
2011.01.16 Chechnya Grozny 1 5 Jihadis fire into a checkpoint, killing a policeman.
2011.01.16 Afghanistan Pakitya 1 2 A Taliban mine dismembers an Afgan civilian.
2011.01.16 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A young man is shot in the head by Jihadis while drinking tea.
2011.01.15 Russia Kabardino-Balkariya 1 0 An Islamic militant shoots a cattle-breeder to death for refusing to finance Jihad.
2011.01.15 Chechnya Grozny 1 2 A roadside bomb leaves one civilian dead.
2011.01.15 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 51-year-old man is machine-gunned to death in front of a mosque.
2011.01.15 Afghanistan Helmand 6 3 Six civilians are killed when religious extremists bomb their minivan.
2011.01.15 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A young Buddhist math teacher is shot three times in the head by Islamic terrorists.
2011.01.15 Iraq Mosul 0 1 A Christian doctor is brutally shot and seriously injured in a targeted hospital attack.





There is a reason we call it Islamic terrorism, and it isn't
because we falsely attribute motives to the terrorists, but
because Islam is the stated purpose and aim of the terrorists.




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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:21 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, for one, the original subject of the thread is domestic Islamic terrorism, as in, America. Under which case I agree with you that the only way we can define terrorism in America as separate from ordinary crime is attacks on civilians and non-combatants in the name of an agenda or religion.

But for two, after I read through all of those, it really sounds less like Muslim terrorists out to promote Islam, and more like sectarian violence in an unstable region of the world.

Most of those appear to be Sunni/Shiite conflict, with some hits on the pacifistic Sufi.

I counted:

Hindu: 1
Misc/Coptic/Foreign soldiers/"priest"/"cleric" (which might be Muslim, but I erred in the favour of your argument): 12
Christian: 19
Buddhist: 14
Total: 321

I might have missed some.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:29 AM

KANEMAN


321? Dead?
Injured? or do injured not count?

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

you ARE ignoring and denying the issue.
Unless you can cite specifically WHERE I have indicating I'm either ignoring OR denying the issue, you should shut your fucking mouth and stop repeating that falsehood.

It's your favorite statement, but it has NO TRUTH TO IT. Nobody is ignoring OR denying there's a problem; we are saying that there is MORE than Muslim terrorism going on so all terrorism should be "investigated"; we are saying that untruths have been said to try and paint a picture which is fallacious; we are saying that targeting mosques and saying 80% of them teach terrorism is false (which it is); we are saying that King and others have political motives beyond just "investigating" terrorism; we are saying there has always been terrorism, and to make such s public show of investigating Muslims alone, especially when there have been OTHER acts of terrorism having nothing to do with Muslims just recently, is a farce.

I pointed out several ways in which this is a farce, in that King chose to leave AUTHORITIES in terrorism completely out of his "investigation", and lies have been told.

But nowhere, at any time, has ANYONE denied there is a problem; nowhere has ANYONE ignored that there is a problem. We just don't obsess about it like you do, partly because we know as individuals we can't do anything about it and because there are other VERY important things going on which affect EACH OF US individually. The odds of any one of us being the victim of terrorism...Muslim or otherwise...are miniscule, so we choose not to WALLOW IN IT.

I'm sick to DEATH of you spewing your favorite little bugaboo that we're "ignoring" and "denying" anything. But of course it won't stop; at every conceivable opportunity you will claim it again. That makes you a flat-out liar, so there's no reason to pay any further attention to you and your paranoia.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahhh, what a shame. As I predicted, Kane hasn't left as he said. You lose, Kane: This is about "Domestic Muslim Terrorism". Nobody is talking about what's happening in the rest of the world, and Story is right; a lot of that is Muslim on Muslism, MORE of it is from other groups than Muslims, and it's not about DOMESTIC terrorism. Try again, you defeat your own point by posting irrelevant material about global terrorism when the discussion isn't ABOUT that.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:42 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'd call it shoddy reporting of the facts...

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... former counter terrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the United States. So far a little more than 100 mosques have been surveyed and around 75% of those are preaching anti-western hatred, insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.


So, out of a sample of some 2,300 mosques, a unofficial comment after just 100 surveyed says that " around 75% " are what... teaching pro Islamic ideas ? Or are they teaching that it's fine to blow up school buses and wedding receptions ?

Big difference there.


If you're going to post Pirate News as 'propaganda' too, then ya got me. Paint me guilty on missing this one.



There are many more cites available on this subject that I didn't list, and none come from PN. Additionally there is a new book out which makes the same claim, and Bill O'Reilly covered the 75% claim in his interview with Congressman Ellison last week. I'm not saying there isn't a worldwide radical Muslim problem. I am saying that I don't believe it's a problem in America, and do believe that King is grandstanding with the wrong play at the wrong time.








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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:58 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No. Because they ARE Muslims, and to deny that would be folly.



On one hand, you say you realize this violence does not generalize to all Muslims. On the other hand, you insist on generalizing this violence to the ideology of all Muslims.

The fact that you and Kane are arguing openly in America to witchhunt the faith of 1.6 billion people saddens me immensely.

My only comfort is that so far, only you and Kane are arguing for it, and that there are others here against such propaganda.




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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:03 AM

BYTEMITE


Nah, I did by number of events.

Sectarian or Muslim-on-Muslim violence is still terrorism, but it's not the kind of terrorism we're seeing domestically.

There's also a bunch of entries in there along the lines of "dumbass kills mother/ father/ sister / wife / children" which are probably not so much terrorism as they are dumbassery.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:11 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Ahhh, what a shame. As I predicted, Kane hasn't left as he said. You lose, Kane: This is about "Domestic Muslim Terrorism". Nobody is talking about what's happening in the rest of the world, and Story is right; a lot of that is Muslim on Muslism, MORE of it is from other groups than Muslims, and it's not about DOMESTIC terrorism. Try again, you defeat your own point by posting irrelevant material about global terrorism when the discussion isn't ABOUT that.


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What is your point? Catholics don't kill evengelical christians...and if they do that to one another...what chance does an old pot smoking hippie have?

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:13 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nah, I did by number of events.

Sectarian or Muslim-on-Muslim violence is still terrorism, but it's not the kind of terrorism we're seeing domestically.

There's also a bunch of entries in there along the lines of "dumbass kills mother/ father/ sister / wife / children" which are probably not so much terrorism as they are dumbassery.





Well, if that list doesn't move you any...give it time it is only 3 months old...

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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:20 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Didn't watch the video AUrapt put up did you?

I did. I thought Keith Ellison explained the misconceptions spouted by Bill Maher quite well.

Incidentally, maybe the saying quoted by Ellison did originate with the Jews, but that doesn't mean the Quran didn't say it in black and white AS WELL:

http://emuslim.com/IslamAgainstVoilence.asp

Quote:

Al - Quran 5:32 "…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”


Islam is not a violent religion, despite a few extremist psycho violent freaks who want to pervert it into one. Who would you rather believe about what the Quran really says? The few crazy nutjobs who blow people up? Or the 1.6 billion sane normal people who don't?

Quote:

He goes through all the trouble to make his case with examples ...
You can make a similar list with the label "Christian" or "Jew." A list doesn't prove the ideology turns people into terrorists, anymore than being born American turns you into a brown-people-bombing soldier.

Terrorists come in ALL colors and religions. The root of terrorism is more complex than any single ideology. It involves desperation and hopelessness and economic and political powerlessness. It involves understanding history and the many tentacles of imperialism and meddling and victimizing and exploiting.

It is so much easier to just blame it on one ideology. Pity the easy way is not the accurate way. Pity the easy way would only make things worse.





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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No. Because they ARE Muslims, and to deny that would be folly.



On one hand, you say you realize this violence does not generalize to all Muslims. On the other hand, you insist on generalizing this violence to the ideology of all Muslims.



Yes to the first part, NO to the second.

Quote:


The fact that you and Kane are arguing openly in America to witchhunt the faith of 1.6 billion people saddens me immensely.

The fact that you arguing openly for the killing of cute puppies and kittens saddens me too.

Oh, wait.. you never HAVE argued that point ? Really ? Huh. Wonder where I made up that silly idea. Kooky, huh?

Quote:


My only comfort is that so far, only you and Kane are arguing for it, and that there are others here against such propaganda.




So, the King hearings completely skipped your memory? Already ? Or what about what Bill Maher said ? There's a video, ya know. In this very thread. Just click and watch. It's easy... give it a try.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

King is grandstanding
Quote:

You can make a similar list with the label "Christian" or "Jew." A list doesn't prove the ideology turns people into terrorists, anymore than being born American turns you into a brown-people-bombing soldier.
What they said.

Quote:

Terrorists come in ALL colors and religions. The root of terrorism is more complex than any single ideology. It involves desperation and hopelessness and economic and political powerlessness. It involves understanding history and the many tentacles of imperialism and meddling and victimizing and exploiting.

It is so much easier to just blame it on one ideology. Pity the easy way is not the accurate way. Pity the easy way would only make things worse.

MOST eloquent, CTS, and something those in favor of this witch-hunt seem to be incapable of grasping. Only I would say “Pity the easy way HAS only made and IS only making things worse”.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:10 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


I believe the best way to fight terrorism is to fight poverty. The terrorist like poverty, cause it gives them recruits with nothing to live for, so they can give them a bomb and send them on their merry. If a person has rights and more to live for, the radical clerics have less pull.

Every notice how many fundies (generally speaking and of all religions) are poor and uneducated and follow their charismatic leader's every word? Sometimes this works out pretty well and is a positive influence on their lives, gives them hope and a sense of purpose. Sometimes it ain't so shiny and that sense of purpose is violent in nature.

Not that I have an excessive amount of practical experience in these matters, but I think decreasing poverty and increasing education is generally the best way to cure terrorism and most social problems that plague us.

EDIT: It's a little late for me to notice this, but my comment isn't quite as relevant to domestic terrorism.

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