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Pregnant Woman Arrested for Falling Down

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UPDATED: Thursday, March 24, 2011 21:35
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Friday, March 18, 2011 3:28 PM

CANTTAKESKY


http://news.change.org/stories/pregnant-iowa-woman-arrested-for-fallin
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Life can't get much worse for Christine Taylor. Last month, after an upsetting phone conversation with her estranged husband, Ms. Taylor became light-headed and fell down a flight of stairs in her home. Paramedics rushed to the scene and ultimately declared her healthy. However, since she was pregnant with her third child at the time, Taylor thought it would be best to be seen at the local ER to make sure her fetus was unharmed.

That's when things got really bad and really crazy. Alone, distraught, and frightened, Taylor confided in the nurse treating her that she hadn't always been sure she'd wanted this baby, now that she was single and unemployed. She'd considered both adoption and abortion before ultimately deciding to keep the child. The nurse then summoned a doctor, who questioned her further about her thoughts on ending the pregnancy. Next thing Taylor knew, she was being arrested for attempted feticide. Apparently the nurse and doctor thought that Taylor threw herself down the stairs on purpose.

According to Iowa state law, attempted feticide is an trying "to intentionally terminate a human pregnancy, with the knowledge and voluntary consent of the pregnant person, after the end of the second trimester of the pregnancy." At least 37 states have similar laws. Taylor spent two days in jail before being released. That's right, a pregnant woman was jailed for admitting to thinking about an abortion at some point early in her pregnancy and then having the audacity to fall down some stairs a couple of months later. Please tell me you find this as horrifying as I do.

The District Attorney -- after three weeks of investigation -- eventually declined to prosecute Taylor. Before you get too happy, keep in mind that this decision was made, not because the arrest was travesty to begin with, but because it came to light that Taylor was late in her second trimester when she fell, not early in her third as the hospital staff had thought. I guess you are allowed to trip and fall in the first two-thirds of your pregnancy in Iowa, but do so in your last third and the long arm of the law will grab you by your swollen ankles.

Of all the horrible, shocking elements to this case, perhaps one of the worst is the breach of confidentiality on the part of the hospital staff. Christine Taylor came to them emotionally vulnerable in order to seek help for her unborn child. She thought she was in a safe place talking to professionals in whom she could confide. Oops, her bad. As Robert Rigg, professor at the Drake University Law School, said, "How in the heck did the police get a statement made by a patient to a medical person during the course of treatment?

Sadly, this is already the second time this year I've written about an innocent pregnant woman held against her will. What is wrong with people that they think that this is okay? Christine Taylor sure doesn't know. This ordeal has turned her life upside and made finding a job that much harder. I guess we've all learned a valuable lesson: when pregnant, you should always act ridiculously happy about it, regardless of circumstances. And, for heaven's sake, don't dare fall down.


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Friday, March 18, 2011 4:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA


This kind of psychotic BS is one reason for the return, and growing popularity, of midwifery - not just this and the other incident here, but the Poppyseed Bagel one and so many others, has led many women to reconsider so-called medical professionals when they seem to be so corrupted by an agenda that in truth has not a damn thing to do with sanctity of life, and everything to do with trying to revoke the human and civil rights of women - that they cannot be trusted any more.

This I find offensive because without a certain minimum of trust between patient and care providers, medical care becomes a form of abuse, and that sets back decades of progress on that front.

Also, being a civil and human rights advocate for folk who mostly don't have any because of magic-number bullshit, and pointing out repeatedly that women in our society also once held that unfortunate status - you can imagine what I think of the fuckers who wanna roll the clock back, stuff the genie back in the bottle, and all that rot - especially since if they ever do manage to pull it off you know damn well minorities are next.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, March 18, 2011 4:56 PM

DREAMTROVE


Worth noting that doctors are abandoning their oaths.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, March 18, 2011 5:12 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


It seems that the nurse was the one to disclose confidences. I'm in no way defending her, but do nurses take oaths of confidentiality? I would hope so, but I don't know for a fact that they do.
This woman was fragile and vulnerable and needed some help and some understanding. Just because there are some horrible 'dead baby comedy' jokes centered around staircases is no reason to assume a fall down one was a deliberate attempt to harm the fetus. And if they were going to assume that, they should have thought first that she had been pushed down the stairs or somesuch. My first thought, as a not-always-compassionate, non-healthcare worker, would be that this poor woman is struggling with some situational depression. Most of the time she can probably manage it, but being put in a place where she lost her emotional and physical balance is bound to cause some breakdown and a revisit of earlier sadness and doubt. Nurses and doctors are all too often consumed with the immediate physical, and they don't consider where someone is emotionally or mentally. That to me is not good healthcare, and it leading to a legal fiasco just heightens the travesty.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Friday, March 18, 2011 6:49 PM

BYTEMITE


I know someone who had a breach of confidence with a psychiatrist, when the psychiatrist tried to publish a paper on her with her name uncensored, among other things involving the psychiatrist leaking information to government agencies because she was on a public health plan.

She's not very trusting of psychiatrists right now...

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Friday, March 18, 2011 11:59 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:08 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by LiLi:
It seems that the nurse was the one to disclose confidences. I'm in no way defending her, but do nurses take oaths of confidentiality?

No one actually takes an "oath" of confidentiality. Confidentiality is a matter of professional ethics, like not sleeping with your patients.

That aside, health care professionals are required by law in most states to report confessions of future crimes. So, if someone tells his psychiatrist, I plan to kill the girl next door tomorrow afternoon, the psychiatrist is required by law to report it. But if it is just a suspicion and not a confession, it falls to the provider's individual judgment. Most of the time, professionals use pretty good judgment and refrain from falsely accusing their patients.

I imagine this nurse felt she was preventing a future crime by reporting her suspicion that the fall may have been intentional. That is giving her the benefit of the doubt. Regardless, it was horrific judgment on her part to make such a serious accusation without anything more than a suspicion. She fucked up.

More important than a breach of confidentiality is the law itself. It cannot be worded in such a way that accidents can be construed as feticide. I would prefer such a law did not exist at all.







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Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:57 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Byte, unfortunately that, exactly that, is what has ever kept CoTL busy as a necessary alternative.

When a conventional provider breaches trust or is complicit in abuse, the victim becomes what we refer to as Psychologically Iatrogenic - any attempt by conventional providers to "treat" them just makes them worse, they withdraw and become increasingly hostile, and almost without fail those providers eventually turn to the force-resistance-more-force model and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy, committing even the most outrageous acts of abuse in the name of "trying to help them"...

At which point the ONLY way to loophole through those defenses is to be both NOT a conventional provider, AND have a certain bonding and degree of trust strong enough to allow for helping them at all, which is where a goon like me wound up doing stuff like that to begin with.

Without trust, it's not treatment, it's abuse.


CTS, I believe they call that a Tarasoff Warning, in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_warn

Problem with THAT, of course is they keep ever expanding it (See Also: Jablonski by Pahls v. United States ) to the point where many times a patient becomes unwilling or unable to be honest with a mental health professional because that professional CAN NOT BE TRUSTED, due to this legal requirement, and as such the problem mentioned above rears its head once more - in this case rendering treatment ineffective due to lack of information.

Professional confidentiality is one of the few things in this world that truly *is* a black and white situation, there's no grey in this, either you keep your fucking mouth SHUT, or it does not exist, and factually - no one likes a snitch.

One of the reasons I got as many "issues" as I do is directly related to this, there's no way in hell I could trust one of them to keep confidentiality once the reality of how those issues came to be dawns on them, Karpov was an exception, being an old Russian whos family knew exactly what it was like to live under the all-seeing-eye, and well aware I'd prolly off him if he ever said a word - but he's long in whatever afterlife he favored now, and damned if I'd trust anyone but Doc Perry these days, and even HE totally creeps me out - it's damn disconcerting to discuss anything with someone who can not only figure out and tell you what every thought going through your head is, but also WHY, when you don't know yourself!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:35 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Ug, what a mess. Byte I'm sorry about your friend, that was nasty of the pdoc to do that.

And I feel bad for the woman in the story too.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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