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Are we destroying our oceans? You betcha!

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:52
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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, this is one of those "end of the world" posts I was accused of. But if we don't wake up, this may be the thing that brings about our destruction faster than anything else, and we need to be reminded of it, in my opinion.
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Work in environmental journalism for very long and you can eventually become inured to catastrophe. Every ecosystem is on the brink of collapse; every endangered species is just a few steps from extinction; every government decision to authorize an oil well or a coal mine is the one that will push carbon emissions over the edge. The language of environmentalism is the language of scarcity and loss, a constantly repeated message that we cannot continue living the way we are, or else. Sometimes the sheer, relentless doomsaying is enough to make you want to take a long, air-conditioned drive in a nice SUV.

But while news of the Earth's impending doom can sometimes seem exaggerated, there's one environmental disaster that never gets the coverage it really deserves: the state of the oceans. Most people know that wild fisheries are dwindling, and we might know that low-oxygen aquatic dead zones are blooming around the planet's most crowded coasts. But the oceans appear to be undergoing fundamental changes — many of them for the worse — that we can barely understand, in part because we barely understand that vast blue territory that covers 70% of the globe.

That's the conclusion of a surprising new report issued by the International Programme on the State of the Ocean (IPSO), a global panel of marine experts that met earlier this year at Oxford University to examine the latest science on ocean health. That health, they found, is not good. According to the authors, we are "at high risk for entering a phase of extinction of marine species unprecedented in human history." It's not just about overfishing or marine pollution or even climate change. It's all of those destructive factors working cumulatively, and occurring much more rapidly than scientists had expected. "The findings are shocking," said Alex Rogers, the scientific director of IPSO. "We are looking at consequences for humankind that will impact in our lifetime, and worse, our children's and generations beyond that."

What's particularly scary is that while we can be sure we're changing the ocean, it's not so easy to measure the extent of the damage or predict how it will unfold, simply because the observations are harder to make underwater than they are on land. (Human beings have explored just 5% of the total volume of the oceans so far.) It's not just a matter of taking bluefin tuna and other valuable species out of the oceans through industrial fishing. The more worrying changes are happening on a chemical level. The oceans have already absorbed more than 80% of the additional heat added to the climate system, and around 33% of the carbon dioxide we've emitted into the atmosphere. That's slowed down climate change on land, but it's also changing the pH levels of the water in ways that could have a bigger impact on sea life than a thousand factory-fishing boats.

Why is the rate of carbon being absorbed by the oceans so disturbing for marine scientists? Let's put it this way: right now that rate of carbon absorption is far greater than the rate seen some 55 million years ago. That was when the last globally significant extinction of marine species took place, when 50% of some groups of deep-sea animals were wiped out. We can try to restrict fishing, and we can work to protect sensitive coral reefs and other habitats for marine life. But if we can't figure out a way to curb global carbon emissions, we may alter the oceans beyond our ability to heal itself — at least in ways that will support marine life as we know it.

Despite the scary IPSO reports — and scores of others like it that have been published in the past — the oceans seem likely to continue to get less attention than they need and deserve. Maybe that's because we're fundamentally land-based creatures. Anyone can see a clear-cut rainforest and know that something was lost, but on the surface, a living sea and a dead one look much the same. We used to think the oceans were far too vast for mere humans to affect — but we should know that's not the case any longer. The Earth is often tougher than we think, but if we don't do something, we really do risk irrevocably altering the blue in our blue planet.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2078840,00.html#ixzz1Pw
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All I can really say is "Yes..."













-- Fishing records show that 90% of the big fish are gone, forcing fleets to “fish down the food-chain.” Jellyfish are now in plentiful supply in what used to be bountiful shrimp waters.

-- More than 20 countries have agreed to work together to end a method of deep-sea fishing which they say causes huge damage to the environment. The agreement covers a quarter of the world's oceans and will restrict fishing vessels from dragging huge weighted nets across the sea floor. Called 'bottom sea trawling', it is a multi-million dollar industry, but experts say it destroys deep-water coral.

-- Contaminated oceans and sick sea creatures ultimately harm human beings. Oceans produce food for billions of people. They provide transportation for 95% of international trade, a vast amount of which passes through ports and harbors in the United States.

-- Mangroves, like this one located in Boca Chita Key, Fla. (see last photo), are often considered the "backbone" of the tropical ocean coastlines for their essential role in supporting water quality, promoting biodiversity among fish and protecting coastal areas against erosion and storms.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:56 PM

DREAMTROVE


It's an issue. Last time I heard a politician say so, it was Newt. Maybe the only time. Part of the problem is a lot of this is China, and we haven't put ourselves in a great position to tell them what to do. Part of it is corruption is everywhere.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:10 PM

BYTEMITE


Article neglected to mention the reason for the sea life die off and specifics: CO2 gets trapped in limestone as CaCO3. As an exothermic reaction, oceanic temperature affects the rate of the reaction. Less CaCO3 is produced, and the ocean is becoming a less effective sink for CO2. pH level can also change during this process.

The ocean die off 55 mya was the death of many species that rely on calcium carbonate to form their shells. Mollusks, corals, brachiopods, and so on.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:


It's an issue. Last time I heard a politician say so, it was Newt. Maybe the only time. Part of the problem is a lot of this is China, and we haven't put ourselves in a great position to tell them what to do. Part of it is corruption is everywhere.




Where's the giant island of plastic trash located ? Out in the Pacific ?

There's a problem with crying " wolf! " , over and over again, using science as a political whip, to get one's social / economic agenda imposed on a unconvinced public...

Sometimes, the wolf shows up.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:03 PM

DREAMTROVE


Auraptor,

I find we are in agreement more and more as time goes by.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Auraptor,

I find we are in agreement more and more as time goes by.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.




" I"m not bad. I'm just drawn that way "




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:00 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


It definitely scares me.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:48 AM

HARDWARE


Yeah, destructions of the oceans. Very bad. Of course, this is all suspect. Just like the running out of room for landfills back in the 80's. Plastic island? Possible, but I'd like aerial photos. If it is as large as they say, should be a snap.

Now, fishery depletion is not a fiction. Coral die offs have been reported worldwide, but only locals can tell you for sure.

But the real cause of this is the same as every other environmental bugaboo that has been rolled out as long as I have been alive. Too many people.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, June 22, 2011 4:52 AM

BYTEMITE


Well... Do you mean the conclusion that the issue heads are trying to suggest, or do you mean you think that's the cause?

...Dammit NASA, why don't we have personal space ships? We gave you humanity's hopes and future, and you just totally fucking dropped the ball.

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