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U.S. broke international law by executing Mexican national, says U.N.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 12:32 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahhhh, Texas. What WOULD we do without them?
Quote:

The United States breached international law by executing a Mexican national without having granted him consular access, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights said Friday.

Navi Pillay, in a statement, said she deeply regrets the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia, after a 5-4 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court denied him a stay of execution Thursday night.

"The execution of Mr. Leal Garcia places the U.S. in breach of international law," said Pillay, who is on an official mission in Mexico. "What the state of Texas has done in this case is imputable in law to the U.S. and engages the United States' international responsibility."

Pillay said Leal was not granted consular access, which -- as a foreign national -- was his right under Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

The denial of access raises concerns about whether Leal got a fair trial, Pillay said.

Leal, who was convicted for the 1994 rape and murder of a 16-year-old girl, was executed Thursday evening by lethal injection in Texas.

Federal officials, including the Obama administration, had tried to persuade Texas Gov. Rick Perry to delay the execution. "The secretary herself is quite disappointed in the outcome in this case," said State Department spokeswoman Victoria Neuland about Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"The U.S. government sought a stay of Leal's execution in order to give the Congress time to act on the Consular Notification Compliance Act, which would have provided Leal the judicial review required by international law."

Neuland said the case underscores the importance of the act's passage. "If we don't protect the rights of non-Americans in the United States, we seriously risk reciprocal lack of access to our own citizens overseas," she said.

"I am sorry for everything I have done," Leal said at the Huntsville facility before he was executed. "I have hurt a lot of people. Let this be final and be done. I take the full blame for this."

Leal then shouted "Viva Mexico," followed by "I'm ready warden, let's get the show on the road."

Mexico condemned the execution, saying it violated an International Court of Justice ruling ordering the United States to review capital convictions of Mexican nationals.

The U.S. Supreme Court earlier denied a stay of execution by 5-4, despite pleas from the Obama administration and the Mexican government to delay the execution.

In an unsigned opinion by the majority, the court refused to delay the execution until Congress could pass pending legislation giving federal courts the authority to hear similar claims from foreign inmates.

"We decline to follow the United States' suggestion of granting a stay to allow Leal to bring a claim based on hypothetical legislation when it cannot even bring itself to say that his attempt to overturn his conviction has any prospect of success," said the majority.

In their dissent, the four justices, led by Stephen Breyer, urged that Leal's execution be delayed. "It is difficult to see how the state's interest in the immediate execution of an individual convicted of capital murder 16 years ago can outweigh the considerations that support additional delay, perhaps only until the end of the summer," said Breyer, who was supported by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan.

"This case was not just about one Mexican national on death row in Texas," Babcock said in a statement. "The execution of Mr. Leal violates the United States' treaty commitments, threatens the nation's foreign policy interests, and undermines the safety of all Americans abroad."

The Mexican government had filed a supporting appeal with the high court in Washington, asking the justices to block Leal's execution.

And on Friday, the Obama administration asked Texas to delay the execution.

"This case implicates United States foreign policy interests of the highest order," including protecting U.S. citizens abroad and promoting good relations with other countries, Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/07/08/mexico.execution.un/index
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In such a hurry to kill a guy (after 16 YEARS?), they can't even put it off to fix their own mistake. Didn't they want to secede or something? Shouldn't we let them? (/snark)

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And I know pRick Perry doesn't give a fuck about international law or foreign relations (he's even more ignorant about such things than Dubya was, if that's possible), but this doesn't make things harder for Texas in the future; it makes things harder for AMERICA.

It's going to be harder to get anyone to listen to us or abide by any agreements we may have with them, when we refuse to reciprocate in any way.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:29 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I agree that this is bad. Not only was it wrong according to our current agreements on the matter, but now Mexico can do that to someone from here without our permission and we really can't complain since we did it to them. I do find it hard to fathem that in all that time he wasn't given access and information to his rights in regard to the consulate, but if its true then this is an embarassment.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:41 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Exactly. And from what I gather, this guy really did deserve to die, and I don't really care what Mexico's policy is on that issue, since he committed his crimes HERE in the U.S. But where we screwed up was in not letting him talk to his country's consulate, which by treaty he has every right to do.

It's doubtful that it would have drastically altered the outcome of the case, but it's a pro-forma technicality that you abide by regardless. If you have a strong case, why taint it by screwing around with this stuff in such a childish way?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 8, 2011 5:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

Niki2 wrote:
Friday, July 08, 2011 12:32
Ahhhh, Texas. What WOULD we do without them?




Good to see that you're standing up for a guy who raped and then murdered a 16 yr old.

She probably was askin' for it anyways, huh Niki ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 8, 2011 5:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:



Good to see that you're standing up for a guy who raped and then murdered a 16 yr old.





Shit, wouldn't that make him your hero, Rappy? You love the young 'uns, and you love murder. You'd like it better if she were pregnant at the time, of course; what did you call it? A 2-for-1 special?

And you'd REALLY like it if she were 14 years old instead, right?

Yup, you're a class act, all right.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 8, 2011 9:19 PM

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Time to execute the UN.


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Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Was she Muslim?

Because if he raped and killed her because she was Muslim, then that would be a hate crime, and he'd REALLY be in trouble.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:58 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


To prevent the rednecks in Texas, Arizona, etc. from committing such a horrible violation of international law again, I think the Obama administration should have Federal forces, or perhaps UN troops (can't trust those locals to avoid international incidents) provide protective escort and move all Mexican nationals back across the border to Mexico, where they'll be safe. Since the Right-wing reactionaries can't tell the difference, it'd probably be prudent to extend the same courtesy to nationals from all Central and South American countries, for their own protection.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 2:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Was she Muslim?

Because if he raped and killed her because she was Muslim, then that would be a hate crime, and he'd REALLY be in trouble.




Nah - according to your beliefs, that wouldn't even be a crime. All he'd have to say is that he thought she had WMD, or knew about a future attack, and anything he did would be justified.

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 2:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
To prevent the rednecks in Texas, Arizona, etc. from committing such a horrible violation of international law again, I think the Obama administration should have Federal forces, or perhaps UN troops (can't trust those locals to avoid international incidents) provide protective escort and move all Mexican nationals back across the border to Mexico, where they'll be safe. Since the Right-wing reactionaries can't tell the difference, it'd probably be prudent to extend the same courtesy to nationals from all Central and South American countries, for their own protection.



"Keep the Shiny side up"




John Boehner says we can't afford to do that. According to him, "We're broke!"

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 3:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

John Boehner says we can't afford to do that. According to him, "We're broke!"




According to HIM ?????????


http://www.usdebtclock.org/


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 3:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

John Boehner says we can't afford to do that. According to him, "We're broke!"




According to HIM ?????????


http://www.usdebtclock.org/





And yet, we had a budget surplus when Dubya took over. We weren't out of debt, of course, but we were on track to get there. So he decided to give everybody some gubmint cheese and start a few wars just to make sure the skyrocket the debt and deficits.

But according to Cheney, "Deficits don't matter." You reiterated that point a time or seven in your "Economy is on fire!" posts, too. What you completely missed was that the "fire" was the economy burning down. By 2008, after 8 years of Republican "leadership", it really was "Mission Accomplished!"

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 3:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



We never had a surplus. We had PROJECTED surpluses, if a series of unattainable events had taken place, which they never would have, making such a claim that we had a surplus nothing short of delusional.

We were no where near ' on track ' to getting rid of the debt.

Cheney, like Alexander Hamilton, both correctly stated that small deficits were beneficial. But there's a difference between owing money on a car and owing money on the entire car company.

It's this " the sky's the limit " mindset which pushed the Dems to collapse the economy via Fannie and Freddie.

The economy was on fire, relatively speaking, thanks to Bush and the tax cuts. Low unemployment, gas prices below 2$ a gallon.... It's not even a challenge to compare how good things were under Bush, vs how things took a complete nose dive, after Princess Pelosi and company took control and drove the car off the road, into the ditch and then over the cliff completely.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 7:11 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
John Boehner says we can't afford to do that. According to him, "We're broke!"



But we'd obviously be recompensed by the U.N. and Mexico. In their righteous concern about protecting the rights of Mexican nationals, they'd certainly be willing to foot the bill.

If the Mexican government couldn't pay their share, they could cede to the U.S. a strip maybe 10 miles south of the current border as a buffer zone. The U.N. - with our permission and asistance - could then clear and mine this strip(with appropriate bi-lingual warning signs, of course) thereby preventing Mexican nationals from accidentally wandering into the clutches of the dangerous U.S. Judicial system. Or they could possibly station U.N. Peacekeepers in the "Protection of Mexican Nationals from Cowboy Gringo Jurisprudence" Zone to direct lost Mexicans back to their own borders.

This would also have the added effect of stopping the Mexican drug wars, since the buffer zone would prevent the flood of machine guns and grenade launchers shipped from American gun shows to the cartels. Disarmed, the former drug gangs would join in a campaign to support U.N. sanctioned "Stay in Mexico, Amigos" programs.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, July 11, 2011 6:43 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I totally agree that the guy is luh suh (if someone has a better spelling for that word I'd appreciate knowing it). I agree he should get in trouble for what he did and be punished (I'd prefer life in prison for that one rather than the death penalty since it was only one person he killed, but that's not the point). But if we don't abide by those formalities then other people won't abide by them with us. Now there are times, enter my Super Secret Sniper Society, that I don't mind if we sneak and disobey what other countries want as long as they can't trace it back to us, but this is not one of those times. As pointed out him talking to his consolate wouldn't have made much of a difference, so we wouldn't have lost anything by letting him do so. I'd rather break treaty when it benefits me, not when I'm lazy and just don't feel like following it just for kicks.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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