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Just a thought

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:51
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Monday, August 29, 2011 5:47 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I know where this will go, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Obama got bin Laden; Bush didn't (and instead engaged us in a war in Afghanistan, forgot it for ten years and played around in Iraq); they were as prepared for Irene as they could be, which should have hopefully minimized the danger as much as possible; in comparison to Katrina (for which they also had plenty of warning). I'm sure Obama gets no kudos for either from the right, so let the partisan bickering begin!

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Monday, August 29, 2011 5:54 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I don't think Irene was much of a test.

You will need some other flavor of disaster if you wish to measure this President.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, August 29, 2011 6:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The entire Eastern seabord wasn't much of a test? I disagree. The previous administration had many warnings about Katrina yet was totally unprepared for what happened. The same was true of Irene, and it seems they OVER-prepared sufficiently to keep the human death toll to a minimum, if nothing else; they got hospitals evacuated, urged as many as possible to get out of town, and it appears FEMA is doing its job pretty well. No President is fully responsible for the reaction to disasters, but it showed a cohesive effort by state, local and fed which I find impressive.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, August 29, 2011 6:33 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Because this disaster existed at an extremely low order of magnitude, it probably did not serve to reveal many problems or weaknesses that might be present in the disaster response. If you'll forgive me for saying so, it wasn't much of a hurricane. The death and damage caused were not much more profound than what might occur during a severe thunderstorm.

I say this not with a lack of empathy towards those who have endured hardships. Merely with an eye to personal experience in regards to what a bad one looks like. This wasn't it. I'm thankful that this wasn't it, but for that very same reason, it was not a good test of disaster response. It wasn't bad enough to showcase what went wrong in any meaningful way.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, August 29, 2011 6:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

For me, the point is that it was a major disaster (on that we'll have to disagree; you'll have to speak to some of the folks impacted) covering an entire seabord, and as far as what I'm hearing, NOTHING went wrong. In Katrina, virtually everything that COULD go wrong, did.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, August 29, 2011 6:58 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The death and damage caused were not much more profound than what might occur during a severe thunderstorm.

Could this not be partially attributed to adequate preparations?

Had the warnings prior to Katrina been heeded, the death and destruction wouldn't have been as profound then, either.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, August 29, 2011 7:17 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"for me, the point is that it was a major disaster (on that we'll have to disagree; you'll have to speak to some of the folks impacted"

Hello,

I do think we'll be in perpetual disagreement on this fact.

Know that the difference between a serious Earthquake and the recent East Coast trembler is the difference between a serious Hurricane and Irene. To any people who died in either storm, there's probably little difference. They’re all dead, just the same. If a man lost his home to Irene, his home probably feels just as lost to him as to a man who lost his home in a major hurricane. But to the people who may have seen and survived both kinds of storm, I'm sure that they could tell you which better qualified as the 'major' disaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew

This is my experience. I was there, next to entire neighborhoods wiped off the Earth. Next to people who had no water and no power and no gas and no groceries for weeks. The quality of disaster response was not apparent until everything was smashed to hell. Andrew was the third worst Hurricane on record. Katrina was the very worst Hurricane on record. It takes a disaster to test disaster response. Not all 'disasters' are created equal, nor are they all equal measures of a leader.

In my opinion.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Monday, August 29, 2011 9:56 AM

DREAMTROVE

i'm extremely dubious both that Obama got Osama, and that Osama had any connection to 9.11. I suspect what you are lauding him for is murdering a family in Pakistan.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, August 29, 2011 12:37 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Well DT a chara, we all know you're a major conspiracy theorist on that one.

Niki, I'm glad that people learnt from Katrina, it was awful and all you can do with awful things is try to learn from them and do things better next time. The fact that everyone was prepared for this one makes me think that maybe we can learn. I don't know how much Obama, or Bush for that matter, have to do with disaster mannagement, they may have a little, or a lot to do with it, I just don't know that information. At any rate I'm glad that things worked out pretty well this time.

In regard to Katrina, its easy to find someone to blame, a lot of people screwed up majorly, from keeping up the levies to the mayor of the city to FIMA to the TPTB. I personally think the mayor was stupid and made a lot of mistakes in regard to the evacuation thing. New Orleans sort of seems liek a disaster politically and financially, I don't know how much resources the city itself had for evacuation assistance etc. It was a disaster that started brewing before Katrina appeared on the radar. It still makes me sad, but it didn't surprise me.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, August 29, 2011 12:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

FEMA did spectacularly well under Bill Clinton, but 'Dubya' put a partisan hack in charge instead of a professional, SPECIFICALLY to hamstring the agency, and it did. Aside from being a lawyer Brown's experience was as the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association, (IAHA).

Nothing like putting a professional on the job. (not)

It's not the agency, it's the politics that got played with it.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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