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Five misconceptions about poverty in America

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Friday, September 23, 2011 9:26 AM

NIKI2

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1. “Poverty doesn’t exist in the United States.”

Although poverty often appears less extreme in the United States than in other countries, it is nonetheless real. There are 46.2 million Americans living in poverty, according to data released last week by the U.S. Census Bureau.

The poverty rate increased to 15.1% in 2010, from 14.3% in 2009. That's nearly one out of every six Americans — the highest rate since the Census began tracking poverty data in 1959.

Children and multicultural groups were hit hardest. The poverty rate increased for those under 18, from 20.7% in 2009 to 22% in 2010. Among Hispanics, the rate went to 26.6% in 2010 from 25.3% in 2009. And for African-Americans, the rate soared to 27.4% in 2010 from 25.8% in 2009.

2. “There is no such thing as extreme poverty in America.”

If you don’t believe poverty exists in this country, you’ll be hard-pressed to understand that there are people in America living in “deep poverty.”

Deep poverty means living below 50% of the poverty line, which would be an income of $11,157 for a family of four and $5,672 for a non-elderly person living alone.

Many think this level of poverty is exclusive to people living in developing countries, but the number of people in America living in extreme poverty has reached a record high: 20.5 million in 2010.

3. “If you live above the federal poverty line, you’re doing just fine.”

$23,000 a year is too little for most two-person households to live comfortably in America, let alone a family of four. Most people don’t understand that having a job doesn’t mean you’ve made it out of poverty.

In fact, working full-time at minimum wage earns you only $14,000 a year. But there are also millions of Americans living above the federal poverty line who are struggling to make ends meet.

Why is it so easy for us to overlook poverty in the United States? Because to a certain extent, it is being managed by federally funded safety-net programs that help families make ends meet when times are tough.

4. “These so-called safety-net programs cost American taxpayers money when we need to be focused on balancing our budget.”

Neither SNAP benefits (what used to be called food stamps) nor refundable tax credits such as the earned income tax credit is accounted for in the census poverty figures.

If these benefits were included, they would show that SNAP lifted 3.9 million people above the poverty line in 2010, and the tax credit lifted 5.4 million people above the poverty line in 2010.

Programs like these can mean the difference between getting by and going hungry.

For example, despite increases in poverty, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's recently released hunger data shows that the percentage of families struggling to put food on the table remained unchanged for the third consecutive year.

This means that nutrition programs such as SNAP and school meals are keeping hunger at bay.

5. “Fifty percent of all Americans do not pay taxes.”

This is a powerful point that some members of Congress like to argue, without providing any context.

By context, I mean that many Americans do not earn enough to pay taxes. For those who do, when payroll taxes are taken into account, really only about 15% of Americans did not pay taxes in 2010 (excluding Social Security recipients, who do not pay taxes on their Social Security benefits), and this still fails to account for state and local taxes.

Everyone pays taxes in some way or another.
Would be interesting to see if our righties were capble of RATIONALLY discussing this...not just buzz words, rhetoric or snarks, but actually ADDRESS the points. I'm not holding my breath.

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Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:49 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Interesting article, I remember that the new data came out recently.

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Monday, September 26, 2011 3:58 AM

GEEZER

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And to counterpoint.

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Five myths about millionaires
By John Steele Gordon, Published: September 23

This past week, President Obama tried to sell his new “millionaires’ tax” to the Rust Belt. “What’s great about this country is our belief that anyone can make it,” he said in Cincinnati on Thursday, praising “the idea that any one of us can open a business or have an idea that could make us millionaires.” But who are the millionaires Obama is talking about? And will a tax on them help the economy? Let’s examine a few presumptions about the man with the monocle on the Monopoly board.


1. Millionaires are rich.

Being rich has gotten more expensive. A $1 million fortune was unusual in the early 19th century. The word “millionaire” wasn’t even coined until 1827 by novelist (and future British prime minister) Benjamin Disraeli. In 1845, Moses Y. Beach, editor of the New York Sun, published a small pamphlet called “Wealth and Biography of the Wealthy Citizens of New York City.” The price of admission to Beach’s list, which was wildly popular, was a mere $100,000.

By the time the first Forbes 400 list of the richest people in America was published in 1982, the smallest fortune featured was $75 million. There has been so much wealth creation in the past 30 years — much of it thanks to the microprocessor behind modern-day fortunes such as Dell, Microsoft and Bloomberg — that only billionaires are on the list. Today, $1 million in the bank generates only about $50,000 per year in interest. That isn’t chump change, but it’s roughly equal to the 2010 median household income.


2. Millionaires think they’re rich.

“Rich,” like “poor,” is a relative term. A family living on the American median income of $50,000 a year might think that one living on $500,000 is rich. But that second family, which probably knows families far better off than they are, thinks that you need $5 million a year to be truly rich, and so on.

On Thursday, 44 percent of people voting in an online survey as part of the GOP debate coverage said that a $1 million annual income made a person “rich.” In a 2008 survey of affluent Chicago households, only 22 percent thought a nest egg of $1 million was rich. In March, four out of 10 millionaires surveyed by Fidelity Investments said they do not feel rich. That same month, a majority of investment advisers surveyed in a Scottrade poll said that $1 million isn’t enough for retirement.

Though the average American family is rich beyond the wildest dreams of the average family in Bangladesh, where per capita income recently rose above $700, it’s not much compared with those who summer on beachfront properties in the Hamptons. When John D. Rockefeller learned in 1913 that the late J.P. Morgan had left an estate of $60 million, including a fabulous art collection, he reportedly said: “And to think — he wasn’t even rich.”


3. Millionaires pay proportionately less income tax than poorer people.

In a speech on Monday, Obama said raising taxes on millionaires isn’t class warfare, but “math.” His math may be off: According to the IRS, those with adjusted gross incomes of more than $1 million paid an average of 23.3 percent in federal income taxes in 2008; those earning between $100,000 and $200,000 paid 12.7 percent; and those earning between $50,000 and $100,000 paid 8.9 percent. Nearly half of American families don’t make enough money to pay federal income taxes at all.


Why do people think millionaires pay less? One cause of confusion is that stock dividends and capital gains are taxed at a maximum of 15 percent, while regular income in their bracket is taxed at a maximum of 35 percent. The rich often earn more dividend and capital gains income than regular income, so it’s tempting to wrongly conclude, as Warren Buffet has, that millionaires “wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes.” But dividends are paid out of corporate profits that have already been taxed. So Buffet’s equity earnings are doubly taxed: He pays 35 percent at the corporate level and 15 percent on his own return.


4. Millionaires share the same political beliefs.

That might have been true in pre-revolutionary France, where the nobility was exempt from most taxation (and why so many were subject to a brief meeting with Dr. Guillotin’s lethal invention). But it is certainly not true in 21st-century America, where political opinions among the rich are just as diverse as they are among the less well-off.

Just consider George Soros and the Koch brothers. They are listed high on the Forbes 400 list, but Soros funds Democratic campaigns, while the Koches helped foment the tea party revolution. Income can’t be used to predict political opinion. In 2008, for example, Obama won the votes of 60 percent of those with a family income under $50,000 and 52 percent of those earning more than than $200,000. McCain carried the middle class.

In America, millionaires have always had the freedom to disagree — even in the White House. Franklin Roosevelt, called one of the 10 richest presidents by Forbes in 2010, was denounced as a traitor to his class for instituting the New Deal. Also on Forbes’s list: famous trust-buster Theodore Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy, who proposed a “War on Poverty” days before he was assassinated.


5. Obama’s “millionaires’ tax” won’t seriously limit investment.

That’s the line of reasoning that the administration is using. On Monday, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told reporters that the president’s plan wouldn’t hurt growth. “I am very confident that the modest changes we’re suggesting in terms of revenues . . . would make the economy stronger in the long term, not weaker in the long term,” he said.

Geithner’s confidence is somewhat misplaced. According to a 2001 congressional study that confirmed a basic tenet of macroeconomics, “each $1 of marginal tax rate cuts would save the private economy at least $1.25 as deadweight losses fall and economic efficiency increases.” Taxes distort investment decisions. Why throw money into productive assets — corporate securities, a rental property or new employees for a small business — if the income they generate will be taxed away?

Taxes on the rich are taxes on people who create jobs. And jobs are an unalloyed good thing for an economy. Excessively taxing the capital that makes the economy go is poor public policy. And we have a recent example of how the opposite works well: Unemployment declined by a third in the four years after the Bush tax cuts were fully implemented in 2003, dropping to 4.2 percent from 6.2 percent. Meanwhile, federal revenue increased 44 percent in those years. If these tax cuts put people to work and generated money for the government, shouldn’t Obama consider the possibility that tax increases should be avoided?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-millionaires/2
011/09/21/gIQAvyGqqK_story.html


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Monday, September 26, 2011 4:40 AM

BYTEMITE


I've heard the 50% of families don't pay taxes figure. It sounds specious to me. I doubt the number figure, I doubt the reasoning used to arrive at the claim, and I see a logical flaw, or at least inconsistency, in complaining about it.

Why should conservatives care if some families aren't paying taxes, legally or not? It would seem to me like they would applaud this, and consider it a rebellion against a corrupt money-grubbing government, much like the Boston tea party, or the earlier resistance to the Stamp Act.

Secondly, if not taxing people on money they don't have is so objectionable, how exactly can that be fixed? And does this mean the political candidates who are objecting want higher taxes on the middle class, so that it's fair to people in a higher tax bracket?

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Monday, September 26, 2011 5:41 AM

NIKI2

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Byte, the myth is a useful one, but to begin with, there's a word in ther that few pay attention to: "INCOME" taxes. It goes beyond even that, but I'll let someone who can explain it better do so:
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A favorite talking point used by conservatives to justify giving more tax breaks to the wealthy is that 50% of Americans pay no taxes. The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes.

The truth is that the talking point that half of all Americans pay no taxes is a misrepresentation. Here is the full quote from the Tax Policy Center ( http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001289_who_pays.pdf ),
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The fraction of tax units paying no income tax varies widely by filing status and type of unit. About 47 percent of single filers will owe no tax, compared with 38 percent of joint filers and 72 percent of heads of household. More than half of elderly tax units and tax units with children will pay no income tax this year.
The 47% statistic is not all Americans pay no taxes, but single filers who will pay no federal income taxes. According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities ( http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3505#_ftn10) the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is
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The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired.
The combination of the recession and the Obama stimulus cut taxes to low and middle income Americans led to fewer Americans owing federal income tax in 2009.

The Tax Policy Center has tried to correct Fox News and the right wing media’s misuse of their research. In April 2010, Howard Glickman of the TPC wrote ( http://taxvox.taxpolicycenter.org/2010/04/15/about-those-47-percent-wh
o-pay-%E2%80%9Cno-taxes-%E2%80%9D
/ ),
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Let me explain—repeat actually—what this means: About half of taxpayers paid no federal income tax last year. It does not mean they paid no tax at all. Many shelled out Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. In fact, only 14 percent of Americans didn’t pay either income or payroll taxes. Some paid property taxes and, it is fair to say, just about all of them paid sales taxes of one kind or another. So to say they pay no taxes is flat wrong.

However, this class warfare-like rhetoric plays to a perception that the income tax is a chump tax: Only hard-working folks like us pay it. The welfare queens don’t. The super-rich don’t. It is a powerful emotional argument. It is also flat wrong.

The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.

The myth that the wealthy are carrying the tax burden for America is used to justify tax cuts for the rich. Conservatives use the inaccurate statistic hand in hand with their, “wealthy are the job creators argument.” One statistic that was intended to demonstrate the loss of income due to the recession, along with the impact of the Obama tax cuts has been distorted and misused to justify a policy of not asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.

The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.

Millions of Americans are not being told the truth that almost 90% of us pay taxes, and that much of the reason why there were fewer people paying federal income taxes in 2009 was that Barack Obama signed the largest tax cut in US history.

Since the truth undercuts the conservative’s reverse Robin Hood steal from the poor to give to the rich policy, they are going to do their best to keep the facts buried under a mountain of misinformation.

Anytime anyone tells you that half of Americans paid no taxes, do your country a favor and straighten them out. We have the facts. It’s time to tear down this talking point. http://www.politicususa.com/en/half-americans-taxes a personal perspective on that, here's a comment to that article:
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I’m one of those “lucky duckies” with no taxable income, and if I had an income worth taxing coming in, I’d pay with tears of gratitude. As it is, I pay anyway. I pay on my tiny house and garden and grove. I pay when I feed my watchdog/hunting dog or my grove cats. I pay if I buy underwear, T-shirts, socks, jeans, or sandals. I pay for anything at all that isn’t human food or medicine. If my godson gets me around, I pay when I chip in for gas… and let’s not forget the taxes on electric and water. At that, I am better off than some even luckier duckies, who are sleeping under bridges, but if some of these flattaxers want to be as lucky as us duckies, all they have to do is give away their money and live like we do.
And, by the way, another commentator to the article "got" the same point you made, which is a good one:
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When I hear repugs make this claim I reply isn’t that what you guys want? Aren’t you the guys always bitching and moaning about taxes? Aren’t you guys always clamoring for cutting taxes? You’d think you guys would celebrate about half the people not paying taxes. So what is the problem? Or is it that you only want corporate persons to pay no taxes and only us little people should shoulder the entire burden, right?
I do expect our righties will leap up to say "that means nothing! It's from a liberal cite!", which is fine with me. Disprove the FACTS and FIGURES, not the source, if you please.

And lastly, while it says people on Social Security Disability don't pay taxes, even THAT's not true. Jim and I pay income and state taxes annually on our TOTAL INCOME. So tho' he pays income tax on every paycheck, we still get taxed on my income as well.


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Monday, September 26, 2011 7:07 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I've heard the 50% of families don't pay taxes figure. It sounds specious to me.



Depends on what you consider taxes.

The figure is approximately correct for Federal Income Tax, as stated in the article. you can go to IRS.Gov or other tax-related sites and find tables of who paid what based on income.

Anyone who works is gonna pay SSA taxes, and in most places folks pay sales tax, gas tax, and possibly property tax on residences, vehicles, and the like.

Of course, the folks who work but don't make enough to pay taxes also get money back from the government in the form of EITC and Child Credits that the middle class and wealthy can't take advantage of.

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Monday, September 26, 2011 7:21 AM

BYTEMITE


Would those be considered safety net programs?

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Monday, September 26, 2011 7:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Republicans (especially the Tea Party) don't believe in "Safety Nets", especially any provided by the government. I think they'd consider those "gimmes" to the "lazy bums". You know, "sucking off the teat of the government/American Worker.(/snark]


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Monday, September 26, 2011 7:54 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Would those be considered safety net programs?



Good question. Guess it depends on what you consider a 'safety net'. Also, I'm not criticizing EITC or Child Credit, I just want you to be aware that they're there, and should be included in understanding who pays taxes and who gets benefits.

EITC has been around since 1975 and has been expanded by both parties. Per Wikipedia: "Today, the EITC is one of the largest anti-poverty tools in the United States (despite the fact that most income measures, including the poverty rate, do not account for the credit)."

Child Tax Credit affects a broader range of taxpayers, providing credits well up into the middle class (phasing out entirely at $130,000.00 income). It also has strong bi-partisan support. Like EITC, it is also a refundable credit, so folks who have no income tax assessed get their Child Care Credit as a refund.

On a side note, the "It's a lie that 50% of Americans don't pay taxes!!" argument would be valid if all taxes were being discussed.

On the other hand, if you're specifically discussing raising Federal Income Tax on some people and not others, and around 50%(plus or minus a bit depending on the tax year) of folks do not pay Federal Income Tax, then it seems a valid point to make.

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