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The De Factor Religious Testin Presidential Politics

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Officially, the United States has no religious test for elected officials. The prohibition is right there in Article VI, Section 3, of the Constitution: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." Accordingly, the government may not prevent an individual from seeking or holding office because of his or her particular religious faith or lack thereof.

Voters, however, are an entirely different matter. Since 2000, more than two-thirds of Americans have told Pew pollsters that they want the President to be a person of faith, which effectively imposes a test of religious belief on candidates. And some voters go even further — and are often explicitly encouraged to do so by their religious leaders — by reserving their support for candidates who openly profess theological beliefs similar to their own.

At the CNN debate on Oct. 18, Anderson Cooper asked the GOP presidential aspirants whether voters should subject candidates to such religious tests. Answers ranged from the enthusiastically pro-test position of Newt Gingrich — "How can you have judgment if you have no faith? And how can I trust you with power if you don't pray?" — to the nonsensical response from Rick Perry: "I can no more remove my faith than I can that I'm the son of a tenant farmer. The issue, are we going to be individuals who stand by our faith?"


Only Mitt Romney was willing to challenge the concept of a religious test. "That idea that we should choose people based upon their religion for public office is what I find to be most troubling," he said. "The founders of this country went to great lengths to make sure — and even put in the Constitution — that we would not choose people who represent us in government based upon their religion." The answer was self-serving, yes, given that Romney has the most to lose if Republican voters judge him by his Mormon faith. But it was also right.

Americans wouldn't accept an ethnic or gender test for office. Why then do so many voters impose a de facto religious requirement on their candidates?

In some instances, a candidate's religion is simply a matter of tribal identity. In 1960, 78% of Catholic voters chose Kennedy; 62% of Protestant voters did not. Similarly, in the 2008 Republican primaries, the vast majority of Mormon voters supported Romney, while Evangelical Christians largely backed his opponents.

Some voters, including many conservative Evangelicals, would agree with Pastor Robert Jeffress, whose comments at the recent Values Voters Summit brought the question of religious tests back into the news. In an interview on CNN after his speech, Jeffress said that "born-again followers of Christ should always prefer a competent Christian ... to a competent non-Christian like Mitt Romney." He went on, "As Christians we have the duty to prefer and select Christians as our leaders." The American Family Association's Bryan Fischer, who also spoke at the Summit, echoed that belief: "The next President needs to be a man of sincere, authentic, genuine Christian faith."


For many voters, however, religion is simply a proxy. It's a way of getting a sense of a candidate's moral foundation, his philosophical worldview. Voters aren't wrong to care about the moral views that guide a candidate. The problem is that religion has become so politicized that it actually gets in the way of providing that moral clarity. Yet liberals and conservatives alike have fallen for the idea that a candidate's religious beliefs are the key to predicting how he or she will govern.

I was reminded of this a few weeks ago when I taped a segment for On the Media about how reporters cover religion on the campaign trail. In an unaired portion of the interview, I got into a debate about the relevance of candidates' theological beliefs with host Bob Garfield, who argued that everything should be on the table. "Shouldn't we know if Rick Santorum believes homosexuality is a sin?" asked Garfield. No. The only thing we should care about is whether a candidate like Santorum would seek to ban gay marriage as President. So just ask him that. In the end, his motivation for taking the position is irrelevant.

Often in modern politics, however, the conversation dwells on the question of religious motivation, which supporters and detractors alike believe tells them everything they need to know about a politician. The conservative supporters of a Republican candidate see opposition to homosexuality or evolution as evidence that the politician will support their entire agenda. And liberal detractors use the same beliefs to belittle the candidate as backward and antiscience. Sometimes they're both right. But not always. There are limits to what we can know about how a would-be President would respond to real-world problems in real time. And it's their decisions, not their deity, that really matter. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2097505,00.html



All I can do is shake my head and think "what times we have come to in America...."

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The Tea Party is derived from right-wing white evangelicals. They will never ever vote for a Mormon. A Muslim President is unthinkable. As is an atheist Chief of State. At one time, Protestants worried that JFK would take orders from the Pope.

However, the generation coming up has fewer boundaries about religion (race, and sexual orientation). Corporations have done one good thing: they have reduced people to their most basic economic units: individual producers and consumers. I think religious/ racial/ orientation intolerance is a dying phenomenon, and the teabaggers are a last gasp. And if the GOP wants to cling to a dying response to temporarily bolster their numbers, let 'em hang on to that anchor!

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Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I sure hope you're right. It's always pissed me off that we are so full of prejudice ("we" meaning our species, not just Americans) and that it can be manipulated so effectively. I keep hoping we'll evolve beyond it--not completely, I know that's impossible, but I guess "more". And yes, studies have shown that the coming generations are less fanatical about stuff like this, so hopefully progress is being made.

I remember when JFK's catholicism was an issue. Sad that fifty years later Romney is facing the same thing, but that's just how it is I guess.


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Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:01 PM

RIONAEIRE

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There is no way, nor should there be a way, to make voters factor out certain things when they are choosing the candidate they want, that's their freedom of choice. But I absolutely agree with Romney and the Constitution that there shouldn't be any religeon test of any kind. When I choose a candidate I'd be lying if I said that religeous beliefs don't even cross my radar. But the most important thing to me is how they feel about the current issues of the day. Sometimes those issues have corrilations (though not necessarily causal) to religeon and sometimes they don't. I wouldn't care if we had a Mormon president if they agreed on issues with me. If someone was something else I wouldn't care as long as we agreed about the issues and I deemed them competant and good enough to run the country.

Obama says he's a Christian and it isn't my place to judge whether he is or isn't, I don't know him personally and I will take him at his word. His decisions about the issues on the other hand I can take objection to without any hesitation or feeling like that isn't my place.

And Signe, you're all gung ho about people not making choices based on religeon, but you're behavior on these boards indicates to me that your bias against religeon would lead you to do the same thing in the opposite direction, to choose candidates and ideas based on a lack of religeon. Is that any different?"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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