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Occupy and the militarisation of policing protest

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


This is a worrying trend, and is worth noting:
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Why, when protesters are peaceably exercising first amendment rights, is the machinery of counter-terrorism being mobilised?

In our not-so-distant history, protest in the United States was handled by local law enforcement that treated demonstrations and marches as mere nuisance, mediating and directing as needed. Today, observing the interaction between Occupy movements and law enforcement suggests something different is afoot. Present Occupy protests are now being defined by a bewildering set of law enforcement strategies – and current practices display a worrying new trend.

While riot police are not necessarily an everyday feature at any given protest, the sheer frequency with which we are witnessing their presence on city streets throughout the United States is enough to give average citizens cause for concern; the excessive force being routinely deployed is alarming.

Within the first few days of Occupy Wall Street, protesters began to notice the presence of the NYPD's Counter Terrorism Unit at Liberty Plaza. Joanne Stocker, who has become a fixture since day one at Wall Street, recalls within the first few days waking up to a Counter Terrorism Unit van, parked on the fringes of Liberty Plaza, which was taking video of her and her friends while they slept.

Protesters at other Occupy encampments give similar accounts. Robin Jacks, a member of Occupy Boston's media team, relates being photographed multiple times by police. Dustin Slaughter, who has spent time both at Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Philadelphia, attests to the presence of the NYPD Counter Terrorism Unit at Liberty Plaza, saying that the Counter Terrorism Unit have been at Liberty Plaza filming on a regular basis. Slaughter also comments: "Philadelphia Police Homeland Security Units have had a regular presence at the Occupy Philadelphia encampment."

Protesters are indeed correct to view the law enforcement they encounter at Occupy with a critical eye. The USA Patriot Act, which had its 10-year anniversary last week, gave the US government virtually unchecked powers to spy and track the activity of ordinary Americans without probable cause right after the 9/11 attacks. For that reason, it should come as no surprise that law enforcement agencies – thus empowered – have shown up at various Occupy protests armed with cameras, most certainly, to keep surveillance on protesters who are merely exercising their first amendment rights.

Reports of targeted arrests of informal "leaders" at Wall Street, Chicago and Boston indicate surveillance measures are operating. In Boston and Chicago, reports of extended and humiliating detentions of targeted occupy "leaders", typically from Direct Action, media, legal and medics groups, are disturbing. Dan Massoglia of the Occupy Chicago media team further reports that arrested individuals were deprived of their phone call, food and water, and that mattresses were removed from cells, while one woman was placed in solitary confinement.

Curfews placed on occupied city parks are equally perplexing. Legislative Plaza, the site for Occupy Nashville, was ordered to be shut down between 10pm and 6am, rendering its occupation impossible. The orders, however, did not follow standard procedure. Instead of being issued by Nashville municipality, the order came from the state of Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security.

Nancy Murray, director of education at the Massachusetts chapter of the ACLU, views the various signs of Department of Homeland Security involvement as important indicators that the federal government is orchestrating the policing of Occupy protests throughout the country.

"This would be a big concern because it would show that the federal government is possibly playing an active role in opposing people's rights to free speech and to peaceably assemble," says Murray.

Does this mean that protesters are being treated as terrorists? "It's too early to tell," says Murray. "But it's obvious the feds are watching and observing to get more information … It is possible that the Joint Terrorism Task Force is calling the shots."

"At the beginning of this movement, I could understand why there might have been a presence of Counter Terrorism Units operating at Liberty Plaza – because nobody knew who we were and what we represented," states Stocker. "Now, their presence is just overkill and antagonistic. What we stand for is clear and it is clear we are not terrorists."

Occupy protesters should make themselves familiar with the USA Patriot Act. Section 802 expanded the definition of domestic terrorism to include persons who engage in acts of civil disobedience to coerce or affect the conduct of government by intimidation of the civilian population. Furthermore, the US Department of Defence training manuals, until an amendment in 2009, equated protest with "low-level terrorism". Although the DoD changed the wording two years ago, human rights lawyers and activists have lingering concerns about whether the sentiment and intent has caught up with the change.

Finally, there is the disquieting issue of excessive force at Occupy. In the autumn of 2008, the Army Times reported that for the first time, the US Army planned to station an active unit under the control of Northern Command serving as an on-call federal response in times of both natural and man-made emergencies, including terrorist attacks. Training included a non-lethal package, elements of which the US Army has been using in Iraq, designed to subdue unruly individuals. "The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets."

Despite the existence of the National Guard, whose raison d'etre is to augment civilian law enforcement when its capabilities are exceeded, this additional unit, according to the Army Times, may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The excessive force exhibited at some Occupy locations – the use of tear gas; alleged use of rubber bullets and reported presence of sonic weapons – is becoming a pattern. A protester in California, who wished to remain anonymous, recalls experience of a long range acoustic device (LRAD) in Oakland last week:

"I had been tear gassed three times, so when I first saw the sound cannon, I panicked. When the cannon went off, I felt it pulse through me and I instantly felt dizzy and nauseated. At one point, I fell over. I noticed others around me had fallen over as well and some vomited."

Such anti-riot technologies were characterised as inhumane by human rights observers when they were used to subdue unarmed, peaceful protesters during civil unrest in Tbilisi, Georgia, in 2007. They have no place in a democratic country. They may be characterised by authorities as "non-lethal", but they can all too easily become lethal if misused by reckless law enforcement agents. The Occupy movement is explicitly a nonviolent exercise of first amendment rights, yet its policing bears all the hallmarks of a chilling militarisation of law enforcement in the United States. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-698946


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Thursday, November 3, 2011 8:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Why, when protesters are peaceably exercising first amendment rights, is the machinery of counter-terrorism being mobilised?

Because bullshit excuses aside, that is why it was built, and what it was intended for, in the first fucking place.

Did anyone really think the ADS Pain Beam, LRAD, and other less-lethal or crowd control devices and strategies were REALLY going to be used over there, instead of over here ?
I said as much the day they were unveiled, and again, here we are.

The powers that be know damn well that the greatest threat to their exploitive lock on a whole country isn't some lameass excuse of a "threat" from foreign influences... it's us.

And so, according to them, WE are the enemy.
They didn't have Haliburton build all those detention camps for show, people - denying the reality of the situation ain't gonna change it.

But we can.
HOW, exactly - that's up to you.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:49 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


So far in my city we've just had the regular police working the Occupy stuff, I hope it stays that way because our Occupy protestors are not terrorists. I have issues with the Patriot Act. When does that thing expire?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:32 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
When does that thing expire?

Expiration is irrelevant. For the last 10 years, whenever it is about to expire, they renew it again.

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https://www.npr.org/2011/05/27/136704247/renewing-the-patriot-act-came
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May 27, 2011

Congress scrambled to renew three controversial provisions of the anti-terror Patriot Act that otherwise would have expired at midnight Thursday.

Minutes before that deadline, President Obama was awakened in France; there he ordered an automated signing into law of the four-year extension that lawmakers approved....



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Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:38 PM

BYTEMITE


Side note:

This trend is the very same reason some more conspiracy minded persons, such as myself, are concerned about the idea of detention centers (as Frem mentioned), new prisons with hired security forces like Xe, ID-cards, walls, and predator drones being used on American soil, regardless of whether the stated purpose is to direct it all at illegal immigrants.

My view might be paranoid, but it's pretty frightening when deep seated fears about a police/military state start showing signs of possibly becoming reality.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Odd, no such cops in riot gear were required to subdue unruly TEA party folks.

Huh.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:59 PM

BYTEMITE


Not sure that's the argument you want to take, AURaptor. Suggests either the Tea Party didn't warrant police action because they weren't a threat, or that they weren't passionate enough to be unruly.

For the record, I don't believe either one of those are true, at least not for the tea partiers who showed up with guns at their rallies, which actually I kind of respected.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Not sure that's the argument you want to take, AURaptor. Suggests either the Tea Party didn't warrant police action because they weren't a threat, or that they weren't passionate enough to be unruly.

For the record, I don't believe either one of those are true, at least not for the tea partiers who showed up with guns at their rallies, which actually I kind of respected.



So, passion is determined by one groups willingness to be unruly and violent ? Because there were all sorts of claims and warnings about how violent the TEA party folks were. Brought Nancy Pelosi to tears, as I recall, she was so upset. But the OWS gangs ? " God bless them! " , says Nancy.

Of course, she hasn't had a coherent thought in quite some time. poor lass.

But the TEA party folks, they weren't a threat to the local cops or homes and businesses of the community. The only threat they wanted to send was to those working in D.C., the elected officials.



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Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:27 PM

BYTEMITE


I think both groups may very well be unruly and violent, the difference is I don't think that willingness to be violent is a bad thing in this particular situation, given two conditions:

1) Careful to limit human casualties despite said violence
2) Protesters look out for themselves and don't allow themselves to become victims of TPTB.

I do believe that passion is a willingness to fight for something, yes.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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I do believe that passion is a willingness to fight for something, yes


By that reasoning, Rev King and Mahatma Ghandi would be perfect TEA party types. Not all conflicts are solved by violence.




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Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:46 PM

BYTEMITE


Actually, yeah, they'd work on either movement, though Ghandi WAS a little more anti-government.

Even Ghandi wasn't adverse to putting a boot up an ass, he just never did it personally himself. Kept his hands clean, you know. Martin Luther King was inspired by Ghandi, and while he asked his followers to not participate in violence themselves, they knew violence might be visited upon them. In that way, in that defiance, they could be called unruly.

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Friday, November 4, 2011 4:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


King was no angel, nor was Ghandi. That's irrelevant; there was no reason to go after the Tea Baggers--and I will be calling them that from here on out, to distinguish them from the original, and REAL, Tea Partiers--they were already being directed by the Koch and others who took the movement over early. Given they wanted LESS government (unless it was those parts of government THEY want enforced), lower taxes, less regulation, etc., that suits their overlords just fine, so why harrass them? They already worked for the system...the ACTUAL system, the wealthy, Wall Street and corporate interests, so they were doing exactly what was wanted of them.



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Friday, November 4, 2011 4:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Niki, this fantasy world you live in, which you claim the TEA party movement was taken over by the Koch brothers, but then pretend the OWS events weren't completely staged and orchestrated by Soros and the WWP ( Workers World Party ), and an array of other nut case socialists groups, all wanting the most inane and laughable 'demands' out of all these protests.

The TEA party folks simply want more accountability in govt, less spending, and to get govt out of our lives.

And yes, Obama, we DO want to be left to fend for ourselves. You make that sound like it's a bad thing. Freakin' moron.

The Occutards, as they shall always be known, want to live in a nanny state, where everything is GIVEN to them, by mommy and daddy govt, and they don't have to work a freakin' day in their lives to achieve anything. Free ipods, healthcare and Volts, for EVERYONE ! Yippeee!!


Sorry kiddies, the real world don't work that way. You can build your own version, but you sure as hell can't DEMAND everyone else bow to your childish demands, and expect there not to be a hell of a lot of resistance.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 4, 2011 6:21 AM

BYTEMITE


I also note that Ghandi and MLK were both shot.

MLK by the police, no less.

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Friday, November 4, 2011 6:29 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Niki, this fantasy world you live in, which you claim the TEA party movement was taken over by the Koch brothers, but then pretend the OWS events weren't completely staged and orchestrated by Soros and the WWP ( Workers World Party ), and an array of other nut case socialists groups, all wanting the most inane and laughable 'demands' out of all these protests.



And you accuse OTHERS of living in a fantasy.

Adorable.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, November 4, 2011 6:37 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Peaceably assemble to address grievances.

This does not include Molotov cocktails, bricks, or attacking the occasional passerby.... anyone seen whats been going on in the supposed liberal utopia of California?

Hey, the Occutards (tm) (good job on that one, Rap) want to bring in anarchists? God bless. Have fun with that one.

However, I will point out that Tea Party has members in government now, and have a huge say in what the Republican party does...

The Occutards have... what?

Its almost like... and I think I have it... when children choose to misbehave so badly that their parents spank them... then these kids videotape it, call CPS, and try to destroy their parents reputation.

All to get what they want.

As most Occutards view the government as the parents they never had... this makes sense.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Friday, November 4, 2011 6:56 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


A weak man is just by accident. A strong but non-violent man is unjust by accident. ~Mohandas Gandhi




I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, November 4, 2011 6:58 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Why, when protesters are peaceably exercising first amendment rights, is the machinery of counter-terrorism being mobilised?

Because bullshit excuses aside, that is why it was built, and what it was intended for, in the first fucking place.



Well said.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, November 4, 2011 7:09 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"Its almost like... and I think I have it... when children choose to misbehave so badly that their parents spank them... then these kids videotape it, call CPS, and try to destroy their parents reputation."

Hello Wulf,

What a bizarre set of leaps and assumptions on method and motivation, Mr. Wulf.

And tell me, when a parent is 'pushed' into abusing their children, does that mean it's no longer the parent's fault? As they strike their children in anger and frustration, shall the parent declare, "Why do you make me hurt you?"

On the face of things, it seems you have a fair amount of issues yourself, Sir.

--Anthony


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Sunday, November 6, 2011 9:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Wulf, bringing that abuse video up in this case was in poor taste to be sure and doesn't really relate to this situation.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, November 7, 2011 5:48 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Actually in a way it does.

The abusive way the government treats it's citizens seems in fact a macrocosm of the way families treat their children.

Alice Miller pointed out that the latter leads to the former, with some level of empirical evidence behind it and lead a social change for the better in Sweden and several nearby countries which have proven out that philosophy better than any words ever could.

As I said, what happened to our visionaries, where do jackboots come from ?
It starts when life starts - and one could also make the case that Government versus it's people is also remarkably similar to administrative mistreatment of students by schools.

From the smallest to the largest in scale, the dynamic is the same - and Wulfenwhiners words on it show EXACTLY how that comes to be.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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