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What If Greenhouse Gases Weren’t Invisible?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, it's that again. Just some news:
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The emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gas that are now rapidly warming the earth are by definition invisible.

But what if we could see them? Might the United States have begun to regulate them long ago — as with other emissions we do see?

The Graphics Department of ABC News, working with technicians from the FLIR camera company, whose special “GasfinderIR – GF” cameras can “see” greenhouse gases, has created artist’s impressions of what it might look like if we could see our greenhouse gas emissions.
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Ancient Climate Cycles Are Why Scientists Are Frightened

Of course, there has been some greenhouse gas in the air, warming the earth, ever since life began … and, indeed, helping make life possible.

And of course, climate change has always cycled up and down through the eons for various reasons, which is precisely why the world’s climate scientists are so frightened.

They tell us that by burning ancient buried carbon (coal, oil and gas), which puts powerful invisible greenhouse gas CO2 (carbon dioxide) back up in the air, we are beginning to kick-start yet another natural warming cycle, but at a speed so unnaturally fast that civilization’s basic economies and water and food supplies are already under great stress.

FLIR (for ‘Forward Looking Infra-Red’)

Here’s where the FLIR camera company’s “GasfinderIR – GF” cameras come in.

They are tuned to “see” various kinds of the invisible greenhouse gases that leak from hoses and storage tanks and are emitted from exhaust pipes and chimneys.
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If seeing is believing, then obviously not seeing can make it easier to avoid believing – just as the fact we can’t see (nor feel) the earth spin on its axis meant that it took awhile after Copernicus and Galileo before most people believed that the sun only appears to set.

A growing number of middle school students can now explain all of the above. Sometimes their explanations even use animated graphics they find on those futuristic electronic pocket gadgets they’re often fiddling with. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2011/11/what-if-greenhouse-gase
s-werent-invisible/
a really excellent (if horrifying) video down at the bottom of that article; if you can handle it, I highly recommend it. Especially the shot of methane rising from the Arctic snow.

Related:
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Earth at night from International Space Station. NASA image

In carefully negotiated language worked out among scientists from many countries, a new report on the effects of a warming climate on the world’s weather by the U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) says that much of the world is already seeing more weather “extremes” — heavier downpours and more intense heat waves — at least partly because of the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

A sampling of lines from it:

On temperatures: “It is very likely that there has been an overall decrease in the number of cold days and nights, and an overall increase in the number of warm days and nights, on the global scale, i.e., for most land areas with sufficient data.”

On whether human beings are contributing to the change: “It is likely that anthropogenic influences have led to warming of extreme daily minimum and maximum temperatures on the global scale. There is medium confidence that anthropogenic influences have contributed to intensification of extreme precipitation on the global scale. It is likely that there has been an anthropogenic influence on increasing extreme coastal high water due to increase in
mean sea level.”

On hurricanes and tropical storms: “Average tropical cyclone maximum wind speed is likely to increase, although increases may not occur in all ocean basins. It is likely that the global frequency of tropical cyclones will either decrease or remain essentially unchanged.”
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The scientists do not make recommendations on what, if anything, ought to be done in response. They only offer a “summary for policymakers.”

The report is dense, and it’s on a subject that provokes strong and opposing opinions. Definitions of basic terms have been negotiated. For instance, “likely” means at least a 66 percent probability that a conclusion is true, and “very likely” means at least a 90 percent probability. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2011/11/climate-change-report-w
eather-extremes-increasing/
draft report can be found at http://ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/images/uploads/SREX-SPM_Approved-HiRes_opt.pd
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Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



What if Carbon Dioxide weren't a naturally occurring compound, and crucial in the process of photosynthesis in plants and algae, which result in the making of oxygen, which is what we breathe.

Oh, wait a minute..... IT IS!





"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Which statement is patently an attack and has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand. It doesn't even RELATE, much less respond.

Thus it provides an immediate and perfect illustration showing the hypocrisy of the complaint that people are "searching for ' ammo ' with which to both make (their) point, while belittling another's".

As well as "Kinda like how some folks love to bring up issues from other threads... instead of focusing on the primary issue at hand , the one which was started in the thread in the first place ?"

Prime example of both being hoist on one's own petard, and attempting to derail the thread into an argument rather than " taking a position, explaining why they're for or against said position, and going about making their case."



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Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:07 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yeah, I think if people could see it, like pollution in rivers and smog in the air and coal smoke in London a hundred years ago then they'd be more interested in doing something about it, humans are rediculously visual creatures.

What if green house gasses were green?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, November 21, 2011 1:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Yeah, I think if people could see it, like pollution in rivers and smog in the air and coal smoke in London a hundred years ago then they'd be more interested in doing something about it, humans are rediculously visual creatures.

What if green house gasses were green?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



Ever seen a pic of Earth from outer space ? We live on a BLUE planet, not a green one. I've never fully understood this infatuation with 'green'.

Our money is green, though. That would explain what is really motivating the likes of AlGore and GE with all this talk of " going green ".



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Monday, November 21, 2011 5:33 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
There's a really excellent (if horrifying) video down at the bottom of that article; if you can handle it, I highly recommend it. Especially the shot of methane rising from the Arctic snow.



You do realize, I hope, that the methane rising from the Arctic snow is natural.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, November 21, 2011 7:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What if Carbon Dioxide weren't a naturally occurring compound, and crucial in the process of photosynthesis in plants and algae, which result in the making of oxygen, which is what we breathe.

Oh, wait a minute..... IT IS!




And here I thought the Earth's atmosphere - "what we breathe" - was more like 78% nitrogen and 20% oxygen... It's okay - most schoolchildren make the same mistake you did.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, November 21, 2011 8:29 PM

CANTTAKESKY


"What If Greenhouse Gases Weren’t Invisible?"

It wouldn't matter.

Water vapor is the largest greenhouse gas. Yet, when we see steam, we don't get all upset about it.

Visibility isn't the point of contention. Existence of or the extent of greenhouse gases isn't the issue.

The debate is about how much influence man-made CO2 has on the Earth heating up. Visibility cannot address this problem.





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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What if Carbon Dioxide weren't a naturally occurring compound, and crucial in the process of photosynthesis in plants and algae, which result in the making of oxygen, which is what we breathe.

Oh, wait a minute..... IT IS!




And here I thought the Earth's atmosphere - "what we breathe" - was more like 78% nitrogen and 20% oxygen... It's okay - most schoolchildren make the same mistake you did.



Only I made no mistake. Point out the error of my post, if you can.

I never said C02 made up the bulk of our atmo,did I ? No, I did not. I said that it was naturally occurring, which it is, and that it's vital for the process of photosynthesis, which it is as well.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:05 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought the Earth's atmosphere - "what we breathe" - was more like 78% nitrogen and 20% oxygen... It's okay - most schoolchildren make the same mistake you did.

What Auraptor means by "breathe" is inhale AND extract for biological use. Not just inhale.

I think both definitions of "breathe" are valid. This is just needling Rap for no good reason.

There are so many other things to needle him about. :)

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