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Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

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Monday, January 30, 2012 8:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hmmm... you feel I don't like you? I feel I don't grok you. I don't find you tedious and unlikeable, in fact I think you're interesting and (believe it or not) rather sweet. I just think you're uninterpretable at times.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 8:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Byte, I think you may be oversensitive at times...not a diss, so am I, so are most of us. But I don't get the impression Sig or anyone ELSE dislikes you here; we all disagree at times, but yours is one of the "gentler" voices here and I don't think what you write makes anyone dislike you. I certainly don't, and tho' I don't pay much attention, I've not seen it from anyone else either. And you're definitely not tedious! Just my opinion.



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Monday, January 30, 2012 9:02 AM

BYTEMITE


That's curious, I don't even like me.

But you're right, that's off-topic, and even if it weren't, either way there wouldn't be much point in trying to convince anyone who or what I am.

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I read another curious factoid - just one of those little studies that sticks to my mind like lint to a gumball- that says that people stay married the longest who match each other politically. This was part of a study of Facebook interactions, where people tend to reveal their political leanings LAST, even after their weight. So at some point... the author is not sure where... potential mates suss out each others' politics. Wherever and whenever it happens, it's very subtle- and certainly not on Facebook!


Anything that happens of nominal importance never really is on Facebook.

But, I'd imagine they reveal it last because it's such a hot button. If they go so far as to invest revealing other things about themselves to a potential match or even friends, they might not want to lose that investment.

As for how long the relationship lasts, probably it depends on how much dysfunction a person wants/invites/can take. Some people like dysfunction, and it can be versatile, whereas the advantage of agreement and compatibility is that it is stable.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 9:26 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I posted it. And I don't "believe" anything...



Given some of the stuff you post, I'd about come to that conclusion.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, January 30, 2012 10:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


GEEZER: Finally, we reach an understanding!

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Monday, January 30, 2012 11:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BYTE: I think that you are a terribly insecure person who has had to construct a social persona in order to deal. Despite all that... or possibly because of that... I find that you're a rather sweet person. Sometimes, I just want to give you a hug... except I know that IRL you'd prolly hate it. I think I can describe pretty much everyone on the board in one or two sentences, even myself. You OTOH are harder to pin down... perhaps because your beliefs and feelings are still nascent and lightly formed. If you feel disliked, its due to my impatience and harshness, not because of anything on your end. And since you feel that way, I apologize.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 11:23 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Eh, there are too many definitions of "liberal" to make sense. Both the right AND the left have used it as a pejorative, so that the word no longer has any current meaning. The actual definition is

1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.



yep, and to make matters worse, here in Australia the more conservative of the two parties is the Liberal Party, so people tend to talk about small 'l' or large 'L' liberals.

A bit like socialism, a word that is now used by right wingers to describe 'a government that is involved in funding infrastructure in any way'

btw what does grok mean? Only ever seen sig use it here.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 11:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Uh, Byte: Pardon the "illegitimate" at the beginning of my last post. I had looked up the spelling and somehow the word stuck in my post--I just edited it out--wasn't directed at YOU, certainly! ;o)

Magons: I've used "grok" here, too--maybe it shows our age! It comes from Heinlen's "Stranger in a Strange Land" sci-fi novel, which for people our age, is kind of familiar. "Grok" can't be described easily, the quickest would be to say it means more than "understand". Oh, wait, Wikipedia to the rescue:
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To grok ( /'gr?k/) is to intimately and completely share the same reality or line of thinking with another physical or conceptual entity. Author Robert A. Heinlein coined the term in his best-selling 1961 book Stranger in a Strange Land. In Heinlein's view, grokking is the intermingling of intelligence that necessarily affects both the observer and the observed. From the novel:
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Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed-—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience. It means almost everything that we mean by religion, philosophy, and science—and it means as little to us (because of our Earthling assumptions) as color means to a blind man.
In an ideological context, a grokked concept becomes part of the person who contributes to its evolution by improving the doctrine, perpetuating the myth, espousing the belief, adding detail to the social plan, refining the idea or proving the theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok article in Wiki explains it further, if you're interested...numerous writers have used it, including Tom Wolfe, and it's popped up in places like an episode of Night Court and the song "Friends" by the Police, and sometimes used by programmers. I guess you could call it a "geek word" nowadays.

p.s. You should read Stranger. It's...there are no words, so I'll just say "great".



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Monday, January 30, 2012 11:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There are two words I grabbed from scifi that don't exist in the English language, but should.

One is "grok", which comes from Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. It means to fully intuit, to understand so deeply that you feel it in your soul.

The other is "ghafla" which came from Frank Herbert's Dune. It's an actual Arabic word meaning "distraction", but the implication is that the distraction is deliberately being placed in front of people to keep them from seeing the important.

Of course, there are other words that should belong in the English language... one which describes me: I have to stick my feet our from under the covers to cool off. I'm a "pedaerator".

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Monday, January 30, 2012 12:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Eh, Byte - FWIW I too believe you have a constructed personality for social interactions. Which makes interactions suck for you. I suspect the things that just came naturally to others - being comforted, having moments of security, reacting to the happiness of others - didn't happen with you. And so in their absence you had to work out your interactions by thinking. And since your interactions are intentional and intellectual, they feel false. Which is why you don't like you.

It would be nice to think that we are all internally equally poised for a happy life. But my conclusion is that, through no fault of their own, some people are born having to work harder for their equilibrium than others

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Monday, January 30, 2012 1:43 PM

BYTEMITE


There are definitely people who have worse lives than me. There is also nothing to apologize for, as I am paranoid, and know this, but can't change it. Please continue with the other conversation.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 2:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Again, in case ya missed it the first time.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 2:35 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Signe's pedanticness about the word belief is tiresome.

Signe may have a point about the word "liberal" and how it means different things to different people. I think of liberalism as an ideology whereas democrat is a political party. For instance I have some friends who are technically democrats and do vote democrat, but I wouldn't consider them "liberals". I'm basing my experience of what "liberal" signifies upon the fact that I live in Portland and the attitude I made slightly inaccurately simple, though not totally inaccurate is extremely common in the people around me. No one seemed to care that our mayor was kissing with his 17 year old intern and then rutted when the intern turned 18 and was still the intern. And lied about it and was found out after he took office. Plus he does dumb stuff as mayor. The sooner he goes the better, yucky.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 30, 2012 4:36 PM

BYTEMITE


I'm most bothered by the "intern" thing out of that. It's kinda of squicky when there's an age gap involved, but it also depends on the maturity of the girl in question and it only becomes my business if the relationship is exploitative. My squicking out does not necessarily signify right or wrong.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:23 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


He was in his 40s or 50s at the time.
And it wasn't a girl.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 30, 2012 6:21 PM

BYTEMITE


Oh. Uh. Boy... then.

*prude*

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:31 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I deliberately chose not to mention the sex of the young person because I figured that people would come at me and say I was being discriminatory, or other hogwash, either way it isn't apropriate.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, April 11, 2023 5:28 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


So then how dumb are BLM, the rioting jihadi islamics and marxist Self-Hating Whites?

Why are IQs dropping in the USA?

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/04/10/why-are-iqs-dropping-n542811

For decades IQs were climbing in the Western World. It was called the “Flynn effect.”

Average IQs were defined as 100 in each succeeding iteration of the IQ test, as by definition the average was normed to 100. But if you rescored earlier IQ tests based upon prior norms, the average IQ would have increased by about 15 points or one standard deviation.

In other words, if you took an IQ test in 1942 and scored 100, by today’s scoring you would have an IQ of 86.

That is, until the past 10 or so years. In the past 10 years, IQs have been dropping, and dropping pretty fast. And nobody is quite sure why. It is labeled the “Reverse Flynn Effect.”

There is lively debate about what exactly the Flynn effect and now the Reverse Flynn effect exactly mean. It could be something as simple as differences in education or education styles or something physical such as the effects of nutrition, as diets change over time. There could have been something that stimulated logic and reading abilities in the past and that no longer exists, or something else.

But the fact is that improvements in IQ over time are being erased.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2023 9:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
So then how dumb are BLM, the rioting jihadi islamics and marxist Self-Hating Whites?

Why are IQs dropping in the USA?

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/04/10/why-are-iqs-dropping-n542811

For decades IQs were climbing in the Western World. It was called the “Flynn effect.”

Average IQs were defined as 100 in each succeeding iteration of the IQ test, as by definition the average was normed to 100. But if you rescored earlier IQ tests based upon prior norms, the average IQ would have increased by about 15 points or one standard deviation.

In other words, if you took an IQ test in 1942 and scored 100, by today’s scoring you would have an IQ of 86.

That is, until the past 10 or so years. In the past 10 years, IQs have been dropping, and dropping pretty fast. And nobody is quite sure why. It is labeled the “Reverse Flynn Effect.”

There is lively debate about what exactly the Flynn effect and now the Reverse Flynn effect exactly mean. It could be something as simple as differences in education or education styles or something physical such as the effects of nutrition, as diets change over time. There could have been something that stimulated logic and reading abilities in the past and that no longer exists, or something else.

But the fact is that improvements in IQ over time are being erased.



There's one huge reason why that nobody is going to ever talk about, let alone admit.

Diversity and Inclusiveness.

You really think that they were giving the black kids from bad neighborhoods with the worst school districts IQ tests that were being counted on the books to compare to the rest of the world?

There's no doubt that technology, especially "smart" phones, is making everyone collectively dumber. No better time than that to start sneaking in a large demographic that was never tabulated in the total before.

I'm not saying that black people are stupid because they're black. I'm just saying that a vast majority of black people that have gone through the Public Educational System in America have an IQ under 100.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Tuesday, April 11, 2023 10:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So when I wrote my first post I was reacting to the presence of GWBush-ites and Limbaugh dittoheads.

Since then, this board has revealed to me that "liberals" are just as narrow-minded, autocratic, intolerant and prejudiced as so-called right-wingers.

Oh, well!

*****

Why is IQ dropping? If that's true, it's a good question!

Maybe prejudice causes low IQ, not the other way around?

Since social media is CONSTANTLY pitting us against some "outgroup" (women hate men, men hate women, Christians hate Muslims, blacks hate whites, Dems hate Repubs and vice versa) at its core this is highly prejudicial since we're treating people as categories with stereotyped characteristics. Once you start viewing the world as black and white and refuse to engage in thoughtful conversation.... well,of course your IQ is going to drop.

Also, way too much screen time.

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