REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Rick suffers another bout of "foot in mouth" disease

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 09:22
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 815
PAGE 1 of 1

Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


He just can't help himself, can he?
Quote:

Presidential hopeful Rick Santorum on Thursday defended a condition he said Puerto Rico must meet to be eligible for statehood: "English needs to be the principal language."

Campaigning in the territory ahead of their Sunday primary, Santorum had on Wednesday said, "There are other states with more than one language, like Hawaii, but to be a state of the United States, English must be the principal language." {Note: There is no federal law stipulating an official language.}

Speaking to CNN's National Political Correspondent Jim Acosta on Thursday, he stood by his comments.

"Obviously Spanish will be spoken here on the island. But this needs to be a bilingual country not just a Spanish speaking country," he said. "Right now it is overwhelmingly Spanish speaking but it needs to have in order for it to integrate into American society, English has to be a language that is spoken here also and spoken universally."
.....
Voters will be surveyed on their interest in statehood in a November referendum.

Asked by a reporter if the language issue would be a deal breaker, Santorum said he considers the matter important.

"I think that would be a condition," he said. "I think it's important."
.....
The territory's delegate to Congress, Democrat Pedro Pierluisi, said on CNN's Starting Point Thursday that, "Santorum's view is narrow and a limiting view of what America is all about."

"English is the predominant language in the U.S. and will continue to be so, whether Puerto Rico becomes a state or not," Pierluisi added.

One of Santorum's delegates withdrew his support for Santorum over the matter, according to a local newspaper report. The Vocero paper reported that Hector Perez said he was no longer committed to Santorum. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/15/santorum-stands-by-eng
lish-condition-for-puerto-rico-statehood/



NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:26 PM

OONJERAH



Speaking up according to my Older Conservative Friend:

"Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

    It doesn't say to accomodate all immigrants by adopting their ways.
That path leads to fragmentation => to the tower of Babel. It's destructive.

Let them adapt to Our ways, Not the other way around.
.............................

I agree with that in regard to immigrants living in the continental USA. If the vast majority
of their neighbors speak American-English, it's best they learn it. Not to say they must change
totally into US, whoever that is. But DO let them learn our language and live by our laws.

Santorum may be pushing that principle onto a culture that doesn't need so much adaptation.

Is Puerto Rico under our federal laws with their own state/provincial laws now? Are most
Puerto Ricans fairly fluent in English? Puerto Rico has its own autonomous culture since forever,
that culture will be their way, even if they become a state.

OTOH, Spanish speaking cultures tend to be Catholic. So if they could just understand every
golden word that falls from Santorum's lips, they would vote for him!    


             

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Speaking up according to my Older Conservative Friend:

"Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

    It doesn't say to accomodate all immigrants by adopting their ways.
That path leads to fragmentation => to the tower of Babel. It's destructive.




It also doesn't say "... as long as they are English-speakers."

My ancestors weren't. They LEARNED to speak English. But they did so slowly, over generations. They moved into an area that was predominantly people like them, from their native land, so they'd be able to communicate. This is the American Way™, and it's how it's been done for centuries, and how it is still done.

My great-great-grandmother didn't speak English at all, or only a few words and phrases. Her daughter was raised with the language and taught in school, but would still seque seamlessly back and forth from English to her native tongue even when I was a boy. HER daughter spoke mainly English, and knew only words and phrases of her ancestors' native language, and HER daughter, my mother, didn't know the ancestral language at all.

Five generations to fully assimilate. And I actually had to take high school and college courses to learn my ancestral language, and without immersion even that is spotty at best.

I'm fairly certain not all Texicans spoke English when Texas became a state, and I'd wager the same holds true for Louisiana, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Hawaii, Alaska, and many other states...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:27 PM

OONJERAH



I wrote this earlier, but it didn't fit in the other post.

Look at all the "Mexicans" who, since long before the Alamo, have lived in the now-USA.
As the Gringos came to outnumber them and control the territories, the natives adapted
to the newcomers. They speak English.
Native Americans, too.

Here in CAlif, we have many Mexican immigrants and many who were born here. Of the
immigrants I've seen, the women tend to learn English ASAP in order to get work.
The men, not so much. They can often find manual labor overseen by a bilingual forman.



             

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:49 PM

HERO


As a practical matter English should be the primary language if they want statehood.

It's the language of both govt and business.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:31 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
As a practical matter English should be the primary language if they want statehood.

It's the language of both govt and business.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.



Hello,

Quote:


The relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States has its origins dating back to the Spanish-American War, in which Spain, under the terms of the Treaty of Paris of 1898, ceded the island to the United States. Puerto Ricans became U.S. citizens in 1917, and the United States Congress legislates many aspects of Puerto Rican life.[12] However, the islanders may not vote in U.S. presidential elections.[13][14] Since 1947, Puerto Ricans have been able to elect their own governor. Its official languages are Spanish and English, with Spanish being the primary language. The island's current political status, including the possibility of statehood or independence, is widely debated in Puerto Rico.



We claimed the country as a spoil of war. Their citizens are citizens of the United States. If they want statehood, they should have it. We have no grounds to refuse them, and Santorum's statements are an insult to millions of United States citizens.

If they want to speak Spanish, that's their business. They've been speaking Spanish for centuries, nearly one century as citizens, without any problems.

--Anthony

Edited for clarity of language.

_______________________________________________

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:43 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I wouldn't mind if Puerto Rico became a state, and if they did they'd all mostly learn English anyway, I don't see it as an issue, since we own their country we should let them be a state if they want, no questions asked.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:07 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I wouldn't mind if Puerto Rico became a state, and if they did they'd all mostly learn English anyway, I don't see it as an issue, since we own their country we should let them be a state if they want, no questions asked.


There are benefits both ways, State or Territory. The only way to really screw themselves is if they decide on independence...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:22 AM

HERO


What about Guam, Samoa, and the US Virgin Islands (where all virgins come from)?

There is a Federal mandate (with funding) from 2009 to allow each territory to study the Statehood issue and all have preliminary votes upcoming just like Puerta Rico.

And if they do become States...we need to rename Guam. Its a stupid name. I'm thinking something that celebrates our Pacific-American hertitage...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Mon, April 29, 2024 00:32 - 6326 posts
Russian War Crimes In Ukraine
Mon, April 29, 2024 00:31 - 17 posts
14 Tips To Reduce Tears and Remove Smells When Cutting Onions
Sun, April 28, 2024 22:22 - 10 posts
Another Putin Disaster
Sun, April 28, 2024 21:09 - 1514 posts
Elections; 2024
Sun, April 28, 2024 21:08 - 2315 posts
Russia, Jeff Sessions
Sun, April 28, 2024 21:07 - 128 posts
Scientific American Claims It Is "Misinformation" That There Are Just Two Sexes
Sun, April 28, 2024 21:06 - 25 posts
Dangerous Rhetoric coming from our so-called President
Sun, April 28, 2024 18:10 - 2 posts
You can't take the sky from me, a tribute to Firefly
Sun, April 28, 2024 18:06 - 294 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Sun, April 28, 2024 15:47 - 3576 posts
Russian losses in Ukraine
Sun, April 28, 2024 02:03 - 1016 posts
The Thread of Court Cases Trump Is Winning
Sat, April 27, 2024 21:37 - 20 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL