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Friday, April 13, 2012 1:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up



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Why did Obama refuse executive order?

If President Obama had issued an executive order prohibiting discrimination by federal contractors against gays and lesbians, he would have followed a proud tradition set by Democratic and Republican presidents.

Instead, he punted.

At least five previous presidents issued anti-discrimination directives, according to a count by the American Civil Liberties Union, but those did not cover gays and lesbians in companies doing business with the government. Seventy-two members of Congress sent the president a letter last week urging an order prohibiting discrimination against that group.

When the administration decided not to go that route, it issued a statement that made no mention of the proposed order, instead focusing on an unlikely legislative fix.

The president “has long supported an inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which would prohibit employers across the country from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity,” said Shin Inouye, a White House spokesman. “The president is committed to lasting and comprehensive change and therefore our goal is passage of ENDA, which is a legislative solution to LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) employment discrimination.”

But no one expects that legislation to pass anytime soon.

“There is no way the ENDA .?.?. will pass this Congress,” said Winnie Stachelberg, an executive vice president of the Center for American Progress, a think tank with close ties to the White House.

So why not issue the order now?

Gay activists blame election-year politics.

Tico Almeida, founder and president of Freedom to Work, a national LGBT advocacy organization, and other gay activists attended a meeting with top White House officials who provided a rationale for declining the order, explanations Almeida found “completely unconvincing and shallow.”

“This is a political calculation that cannot stand,” he said.

“Absolutely not,” replied White House press secretary Jay Carney. “The approach we’re taking at this time is to try to build support for passage of this legislation, a comprehensive approach to legislate on the issue of non-discrimination.”

If the calculation is to avoid upsetting some voters by pushing for gay rights, it’s too late now. The Human Rights Campaign has a document called “Obama Administration Policy, Legislative and Other Advancements on behalf of LGBT Americans” that is six typed pages long.

“This is an administration that is fully committed to LGBT equality and has worked tirelessly” for it, Stachelberg said.

That’s why the administration’s refusal to issue an order that would have been mild compared with its other positions is confusing. Obama’s advocacy for gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military and his opposition to a law limiting marriage to heterosexual couples for federal purposes have been much more controversial.

An executive order is needed, “even if Congress were to defy the political odds and pass ENDA today,” says a paper on the Center for American Progress Web site. An executive order, the paper by Jeff Krehely and Crosby Burns explains, would cover more people than the legislation, which would apply to firms with at least 15 employees. An executive order also could provide an additional enforcement mechanism and another level of compliance evaluation, the authors wrote.

Those arguments, however, apparently weren’t persuasive enough for the president.

“I hope this decision will be revisited,” said Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.), who signed the letter, “especially since the American people don’t want their federal tax dollars used to support discrimination.”



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/why-did-obama-refuse-executive-
order/2012/04/12/gIQAhSWfDT_story.html


Heard comments on NPR that he suggested the ENDA legislation instead of signing an executive order so he could get Republicans to vote no on it as a campaign tactic. Like many in the LBGT community are gonna vote Republican anyway?

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:56 AM

GEEZER

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So we're all agreed this is a bad thing, then?

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:47 AM

WHOZIT


I'm sure the Hollywood left will leap into action and ignore this, George Clooney is having a $40.000 perplate dinner for Barry soon.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:47 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Sounds like he is avoiding using executive orders, which the right screams about when he does, and trying to force the congress to do something that should be done. If a forced vote hurts the GOP it is their own fault. Perhaps they should vote to end discrimination.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:

Heard comments on NPR that he suggested the ENDA legislation instead of signing an executive order so he could get Republicans to vote no on it as a campaign tactic. Like many in the LBGT community are gonna vote Republican anyway?




It's not the LBGT vote he's trying to turn away from the GOP; it's straight people (like me) who believe in equal rights for the LBGT community. Keep reminding them how much the right hates and despises them, and keep bringing it up so the right will keep SAYING SO with their votes, and you erode support for the right and their positions. The majority of Americans support equality, in the workplace, in the home, in marriage rights, in insurance issues, in hospital visitation, etc.

It's not bad politics to keep reminding the majority of Americans how much the GOP despises them.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

It's not bad politics to keep reminding the majority of Americans how much the GOP despises them.



It's pure politics to sow the seeds of hatred and division, as this president loves to do, more so than any other. In his eyes, Americans are too stupid to think for themselves, so distortions and distractions need to be shoveled on the people, daily. Or, as John Dingel ( D- MI ) puts it, " it takes a long time...to control the people" .



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Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:35 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's pure politics to sow the seeds of hatred and division, as this president loves to do, more so than any other. In his eyes, Americans are too stupid to think for themselves, so distortions and distractions need to be shoveled on the people, daily. Or, as John Dingel ( D- MI ) puts it, " it takes a long time...to control the people" .



Well he is a politician. Plus he can only do that because of the GOP's unwillingness to support equal rights.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:09 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's pure politics to sow the seeds of hatred and division, as this president loves to do, more so than any other. In his eyes, Americans are too stupid to think for themselves, so distortions and distractions need to be shoveled on the people, daily. Or, as John Dingel ( D- MI ) puts it, " it takes a long time...to control the people" .



Well he is a politician. Plus he can only do that because of the GOP's unwillingness to support equal rights.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Sorry this is all Barry, you can't pin this on the GOP. If they could they would have had their union buds make a big deal out of this, like they've been getting their friends in the MSM to say the GOP is anti woman because they're against giving away free birth control and Ann Romney never having a PAYING job. Don't worry, the MSM will ignore this like Gitmo staying open and Barry resigning the Patriot Act...and not blaming Barry for high gas prices like they did on Bush.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:48 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by WHOZIT:
Sorry this is all Barry, you can't pin this on the GOP. If they could they would have had their union buds make a big deal out of this, like they've been getting their friends in the MSM to say the GOP is anti woman because they're against giving away free birth control and Ann Romney never having a PAYING job. Don't worry, the MSM will ignore this like Gitmo staying open and Barry resigning the Patriot Act...and not blaming Barry for high gas prices like they did on Bush.



Explain to me how the President could take advantage of this if the GOP position was different.

The MSM did not ignore those things, that is how you heard about them you twit.

Not free birth control, you are wrong on this every time.

...and the market controls gas prices not the President.

You're stupid, but good enough to repeat those talking points.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:14 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by WHOZIT:
Sorry this is all Barry, you can't pin this on the GOP. If they could they would have had their union buds make a big deal out of this, like they've been getting their friends in the MSM to say the GOP is anti woman because they're against giving away free birth control and Ann Romney never having a PAYING job. Don't worry, the MSM will ignore this like Gitmo staying open and Barry resigning the Patriot Act...and not blaming Barry for high gas prices like they did on Bush.



Explain to me how the President could take advantage of this if the GOP position was different.

The MSM did not ignore those things, that is how you heard about them you twit.

Not free birth control, you are wrong on this every time.

...and the market controls gas prices not the President.

You're stupid, but good enough to repeat those talking points.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



The market contorls gas prices! When Bush was Prez you libs blamed him Cheney and Halliburton, now under Barry EVERYTHING is beyond his control. All you libs do is make excuses for this jugeared douchebag.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:32 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The market contorls gas prices! When Bush was Prez you libs blamed him Cheney and Halliburton, now under Barry EVERYTHING is beyond his control. All you libs do is make excuses for this jugeared douchebag.



Some people did blame Bush, those people were idiots, just like you are now.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:25 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Keep reminding them how much the right hates and despises them, and keep bringing it up so the right will keep SAYING SO with their votes, and you erode support for the right and their positions.



Thank you for your concession that, since I do not hate and despise the LGBT community, I am not of the Right.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:00 AM

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I agree that the law must be cahnged so all faggots and lesbos must be required to eat da poo poo.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:31 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by WHOZIT:
The market contorls gas prices! When Bush was Prez you libs blamed him Cheney and Halliburton, now under Barry EVERYTHING is beyond his control. All you libs do is make excuses for this jugeared douchebag.



Some people did blame Bush, those people were idiots, just like you are now.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Yea well you're icky and have coodies! *razberrys*

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Keep reminding them how much the right hates and despises them, and keep bringing it up so the right will keep SAYING SO with their votes, and you erode support for the right and their positions.



Thank you for your concession that, since I do not hate and despise the LGBT community, I am not of the Right.





You say you're not "of the Right", but you've yet to speak out against them or vote against them as far as I can see. What was it Rappy said about good people doing nothing? Far from doing nothing, you will, at every single turn defend your beloved right, all while claiming not to be "of the Right".

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:57 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


It's good politics, and it might even serve LGBT rights more if it helps keep the Republicans out of power for another 4 years. Think of it that way.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by kpo:
It's good politics, and it might even serve LGBT rights more if it helps keep the Republicans out of power for another 4 years. Think of it that way.

It's not personal. It's just war.




Exactly. All Democrats have to do to move LGBT rights forward is to put the GOP on record with their votes.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:23 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
It's good politics, and it might even serve LGBT rights more if it helps keep the Republicans out of power for another 4 years. Think of it that way.

It's not personal. It's just war.




Exactly. All Democrats have to do to move LGBT rights forward is to put the GOP on record with their votes.



Hello,

Am I correct that even if this law fails to pass, the Executive order can still be issued?

So nothing is being lost?

--Anthony



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Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:23 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You say you're not "of the Right", but you've yet to speak out against them or vote against them as far as I can see.



Then you haven't been paying attention.

I've noted several times that I haven't voted for a Republican that I can ever recall, except for my state representative, who managed to hold his seat in one of the most liberal counties in Va. I generally vote Libertarian, and have written in "None of the Above", basicaly not voting for any candidate, if there's no one in the race I can support.

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Far from doing nothing, you will, at every single turn defend your beloved right, all while claiming not to be "of the Right".


I do tend to respond the the slander that comes out of some of the liberals here, even though it may be against folks I wouldn't support politically. But have you seen me defend Republican stances on abortion, gay rights, same-sex marriage, or discrimination against women or minorities?

I don't think so.

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Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So far as I know, the EO could be issued. I wouldn't say "nothing is lost" by doing so, though. Politically, it becomes a bit of an issue; once the GOP has gone on record with their opposition to LBGT rights, if the President goes ahead and issues an Executive Order which essentially overrides Congress's vote, it's going to raise holy hell with the right, and they'll run on it and fund-raise off it.

Politically speaking, it makes sense for Obama to wait until after the election to issue such an EO. Win or lose, he's politically out of reach of any real consequences at that point, and either way, congressional Dems can say they didn't have anything to do with it in order to minimize blowback on them.

Not saying I agree with the strategy, but it makes political sense. While still being pretty offensive to just about everybody, of course... But hey, that's what politics is all about, right? :(




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"Yes. I was wrong. I am sorry." - AuRaptor.

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

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Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:22 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Here in Portland the acronym has become LGBTQQI. How many more letters need to be added before the acronym needs an acronym? :)

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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Monday, April 16, 2012 11:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


LGBT, blacks, browns, atheists, vegans, whites, Christians, muslims, jews, women, tards, non-tards, (every other box I've missed)

YAY, WE CAN ALL CLAIM VICTIM STATUS NOW!

Cus, you know, the world owes us fluffy bunnies.

Seriously, how many of you have actually watched this show?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Monday, April 16, 2012 2:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
LGBT, blacks, browns, atheists, vegans, whites, Christians, muslims, jews, women, tards, non-tards, (every other box I've missed)

YAY, WE CAN ALL CLAIM VICTIM STATUS NOW!

Cus, you know, the world owes us fluffy bunnies.

Seriously, how many of you have actually watched this show?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."




I seem to remember you claiming victim status a time or seven, yourself. Now you've got Ann Romney claiming victim status because someone pointed out that she's never held a job, so I guess rich women with Downton Abbey-sized staffs of servants are now "victims", too...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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