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Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:17 AM

BYTEMITE


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Also, this thread has made me realize that I should stop bullying rappy.


And if he calls you names? Assassinates the character of whole groups - one or more of which you belong to? Trolls the board? Pro-actively taunts people like he did above with his dig at 'Chrissy'? Just wondering where you draw the line between bullying and just telling someone who's being an asshole to fuck off.



Everyone online does that kind of thing. I still think there's no reason for it to be so personal around here. Insults distract from good conversations, and roll over into new threads.

I mostly get along with both sides... And it's not because I always agree with them, or that I have a wining likeable personality. And I really do try not to favour one side over the other, though I'm sure lots of you would say otherwise.

We posted a thread recently about why each of us identify with firefly... Does it matter why so much as the simple fact that we DO?

Buuut... Ultimately, even though I have hopes for a kinder gentler fireflyfans board, most times the effort to improve board relationships lasts only as long as it takes someone to lose their temper and start insulting again.

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Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:20 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"And thats where you see the power dynamics shift and the bullied become the bullier ..."

I'm not seeing power dynamics here. I don't have any power over anyone, nor they over me. Not in the rw where it counts, not even as anonymous posters on an obscure website, as effectual as ghosts. I don't enjoin people to band with me against anyone. I don't try to silence anyone. I make my observations, post my thoughts as my brain parses the world, and voice my opinions. Most important to me is to not be a hypocrite. But since I've never claimed to be nice, considerate, forgiving or liberal, I feel like I've met my standard.

I get you dislike that. Your dislike isn't going to change anything.

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Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:38 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Byte

FWIW I don't IDENTIFY with Firefly. I thought it was a very interesting story b/c the characters in that fictional world didn't make the same mental equations we do. There is not one single character I identify with. There is not one single situation I identify with.

It was vastly different from many sci-fi shows I've seen. And if I see one more space-swordandsorcery-feudalistic cc of a story, with sword (or laser) wielding heroes and villains, and lissom damsels with heaving bosoms melting into the heroes' arms I will conclude that the aim is to make us all very young, very immature adolescent males.

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Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:45 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"And thats where you see the power dynamics shift and the bullied become the bullier ..."

I'm not seeing power dynamics here. I don't have any power over anyone, nor they over me. Not in the rw where it counts, not even as anonymous posters on an obscure website, as effectual as ghosts. I don't enjoin people to band with me against anyone. I don't try to silence anyone. I make my observations, post my thoughts as my brain parses the world, and voice my opinions. Most important to me is to not be a hypocrite. But since I've never claimed to be nice, considerate, forgiving or liberal, I feel like I've met my standard.

I get you dislike that. Your dislike isn't going to change anything.



Meh, I don't want to take the moral high ground, because I've done it. I just KNOW it's pointless and it means I get caught up in nasty shit that just makes everything worse/

I think we've had this conversation before. I don't ever, ever suggest that someone puts up with shit, but I think when you get dumping the shit back, you've descended to the level that you hated in the first place.

BTW, I do see power dynamics shift around here, depending on how many supporters someoen can rally. It happens, it isn't - you know - Nazi Germany or anything, but its subtle power plays.

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Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:39 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is a difference between being spoiled and being entitled. Or maybe I'm using the wrong words, but when you grow up in a family that enjoys some standing in the community, it's gonna rub off on you. Some of those "entitled" parents probably feel themselves to be superior authorities; whether they teach their children consciously or it rubs off unconsciously, that feeling of righteousness has got to make a difference.

By contrast, I find that "spoiled" children- children who are given everything- tend to be passive more than anything.

But all in all, it seems to me there are a lot of routes to bullying. Being abused in the house, or having superior community standing doesn't predict whether a person will be a bully or not. I think some kids start down that behavioral path for whatever reason, and they find it rewarding (and it IS intrinsically rewarding in many ways) and nobody cuts that short.



I always considered being 'spoiled' different than just having access to stuff. The 'spoiled' kids I remember were the ones whose parents adored them and thought they could do no wrong, and either ignored or rationalized away their kid's misbehavior. This may have happened more in families that were better off, but I've seen it at all levels. I always figured the label 'spoiled' came about because the kids were spoiled for a fit into society.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess when using fuzzy words like "spoiled" it helps to define your terms first!

There are so many ways that children can be raised dysfunctionally. So I suppse the first question would be: If we had our 'druthers, what would we want "our" children to be able to do, when they grow up?

smart?
follow the rules?
get along with others?
moral?


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Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It was vastly different from many sci-fi shows I've seen. And if I see one more space-swordandsorcery-feudalistic cc of a story, with sword (or laser) wielding heroes and villains, and lissom damsels with heaving bosoms melting into the heroes' arms I will conclude that the aim is to make us all very young, very immature adolescent males.


Dunno if you're much of a gamer, but the storyline of Final Fantasy X is something you would probably appreciate greatly then.
Yuna chooses her own path in defiance of the established order and a ruinious status quo, and choosing to rather than play along with a broken system for a temporary hope of peace, to really go for all the marbles - and she's not given to hate or bitterness about it neither, which is why I kinda idolize her as one of my exemplars of human behavior.

Kaname Madoka also kinda counts, Faustian Rebellion to the Nth degree!



-Frem

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Monday, February 17, 2014 2:02 AM

OONJERAH


Bullying's Health Effects Snowball Over Time
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/bullyings-health-effects-sno
wball-over-time-n30806


Kids who are victims of bullying have worse mental and physical
health, more symptoms of depression and lower self-worth — and
the effect seems to get worse as time goes on, according to new
research.

Previous research has shown that bullying can lead to health
problems, and the study in Monday's Pediatrics demonstrated that
the effects of bullying can actually snowball over time.

The researchers followed 4,297 children in Los Angeles, Birmingham,
and Houston at three points: fifth, seventh, and 10th grades. The
kids were asked about bullying and also completed questionnaires
designed to look for symptoms of depression, low self-esteem and
poor physical health.
........................

Hard to heal, is it?


====================== :>
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

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