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Monday, September 8, 2014 3:37 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Washington: The Central Intelligence Agency took top al-Qaeda suspects close "to the point of death" by drowning them in water-filled baths during interrogation sessions in the years that followed the September 11 attacks, far beyond the waterboarding details so far revealed, according to an intelligence source.

The description of the torture meted out to at least two leading al-Qaeda suspects, including the alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, far exceeds the conventional understanding of waterboarding, or "simulated drowning" so far admitted by the CIA.

"They weren't just pouring water over their heads or over a cloth," said the source who has first-hand knowledge of the period. "They were holding them under water until the point of death, with a doctor present to make sure they did not go too far. This was real torture."
The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, shortly after his capture (left) and (right) Mohammed in 2009 in Guantanamo Bay.

e account of extreme CIA interrogation comes as the US Senate prepares to publish a declassified version of its so-called "torture report", a 3600-page document based on a review of several million classified CIA documents.

Publication of the report is currently being held up by a dispute over how much of the 480-page public summary should remain classified, but it is expected to be published within weeks.

A second source who is familiar with the Senate report said that it contained several unflinching accounts of some CIA interrogations which, the source predicted, would "deeply shock" the general public.
Alleged USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

Alleged USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. Photo: AP

Dianne Feinstein, the Democrat chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee that wrote the report has promised that it will expose "brutality that stands in stark contrast to our values as a nation". The Senate report is understood to accuse the CIA of lying and of grossly exaggerating the usefulness of torture.

Its publication being angrily opposed by many senior Republicans, former CIA operatives and Bush-era officials, including the former US vice-president Dick Cheney, who argue that is it poorly researched and politically motivated.

The CIA has previously admitted that it used "black sites" to subject at least three high-value al-Qaeda detainees to "enhanced interrogation": namely Mohammed, the alleged USS Cole bomber Abd al Rahim al Nashiri and alleged senior Bin Laden aide Abu Zubaydah. An internal report in 2004 by the CIA's own Office of Inspector General admitted that Mohammed had been "waterboarded" 183 times and Abu Zubaydah 83 times - but actual details of how the interrogations were administered have never been provided. When the 109-page CIA report was made public in 2009 following a freedom of information lawsuit, large portions of it remained redacted - or blacked out - including all 23 pages that followed the factual admission that interrogators "applied the waterboard technique" to Mohammed.
Al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, waterboarded 83 times.

Al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, waterboarded 83 times.

Among the additional difficulties for investigators seeking the truth about what happened is the fact that in November 2005 the CIA destroyed about 92 video tapes of its waterboarding and interrogation of Mohammed and the others. The White House and the State Department fear that the Senate report could still cause a backlash and have made preparations for increased security at sensitive sites when it is published.

Despite the destruction of video evidence, ha third source familiar with the still-classified accounts of the most severe of the CIA interrogations, said that the practices were much more brutal than is widely understood.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/to-the-point-of-death--details-of-cias-sec
ret-torture-methods-revealed-20140908-10drb2.html#ixzz3Chvd3gXX


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Monday, September 8, 2014 11:15 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


The release of the Senate Intelligence Report has become a titanic death-struggle about torture because someone goes to jail for these war crimes in plain sight. How this democracy will handle these crimes in an age of a surging ISIS will be deeply telling. Vice-president Dick Cheney claims nothing happened, nothing at all. According to him, the report is all wrong! www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/dick-cheney-interrogation_n_5589158.
html

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Monday, September 8, 2014 11:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


If they simply answered the questions, then there'd be no need for any of this.

It's kinda on the terrorists who want to murder 1000's of innocents, and not on those doing their job to stop it.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:21 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Er, no wrong as wrong can be.

If you use these tactics, you are nothing more than powerful, wealthy terrorists yourselves.


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Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Er, no wrong as wrong can be.

If you use these tactics, you are nothing more than powerful, wealthy terrorists yourselves.





Er, no. Wrong as wrong can be.

It's called defending yourself FROM terrorists. No one is picking up foreigners and randomly water-boarding them for snorts and giggles.

You seem to lack a very real understanding of just how evil these Islamic nut jobs really are, and what they have planned for everyone not them.


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When Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi walked away from a U.S. detention camp in 2009, the future leader of ISIS issued some chilling final words to reservists from Long Island.

The Islamist extremist some are now calling the most dangerous man in the world had a few parting words to his captors as he was released from the biggest U.S. detention camp in Iraq in 2009.

“He said, ‘I’ll see you guys in New York,’” recalls Army Col. Kenneth King, then the commanding officer of Camp Bucca.




And after the '93 attempt to bring down the WTC, what did the Islamo-zealots do ?

The continued ignoring of who these monsters are and what it really takes to defeat them is nothing short of astounding.

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:14 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Go and join them, you morality free zone.

People who condone torture for any reason disgust me.

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:40 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?

Because it sounds as if you have a bigger problem with those who try to defeat terrorists than the terrorists themselves.

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA



It's well worth remembering a little something about the WTC 1993 bombing.

WHERE DID THEY GET THE FUCKING BOMB, Hmmm?
Why, the FBI supplied it to them, along with an expert to wire it up, AND forbade that expert, one Emad Salem, from sabotaging it - something he got on tape because he was suspicious of his handlers motives and actions.

And sure enough, they tried to deny he was an asset and pin it on him, at which point he pulled those tapes out, and it became clear that without the FBI deliberately aiding and abetting a terrorist cell, supplying them with the money and resources, the bombing never would have happened at all.

Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-th
wart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html

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The transcripts, which are stamped "draft" and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge's order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.

In a letter to Federal Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Andrew C. McCarthy, an assistant United States attorney, said that he had learned of the tapes while debriefing Mr. Salem and that the informer had then voluntarily turned them over. Other Salem tapes and transcripts were being withheld pending Government review, of "security and other issues," Mr. McCarthy said.

William M. Kunstler, a defense lawyer in the case, accused the Government this week of improper delay in handing over all the material. The transcripts he had seen, he said, "were filled with all sorts of Government misconduct." But citing the judge's order, he said he could not provide any details.


So what you've got here, is the FBI deliberately and maliciously sponsoring a terrorist bombing and then trying to hang the informant out to dry, a nice tidy little package of State-created "terrorism", like all the other manufactured so-called "plots"...

The FBI again thwarts its own Terror plot
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/
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Time and again, the FBI concocts a Terrorist attack, infiltrates Muslim communities in order to find recruits, persuades them to perpetrate the attack, supplies them with the money, weapons and know-how they need to carry it out — only to heroically jump in at the last moment, arrest the would-be perpetrators whom the FBI converted, and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the FBI.


Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helpe
d-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.


FBI-Created 'Terrorist Plot' Fails To Produce A Single Terrorist -- But Does Plenty Of Damage To Individual Liberties
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120818/18363620090/fbi-created-ter
rorist-plot-fails-to-produce-single-terrorist-does-plenty-damage-to-individual-liberties.shtml

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As the FBI continues its perfect streak of successfully thwarting every terrorist plan it has conceived and put in motion itself (a few of which have been covered here), details of an unintentionally hilarious (and particularly horrendous) "terrorist plot" conjured up back in 2006 have emerged, thanks to an NPR expose and a lawsuit filed against the FBI by some of the unwilling participants.


FBI 'Stops' Yet Another Of Its Own Terrorist Threats
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130208/12264121921/fbi-stops-yet-a
nother-its-own-terrorist-threats.shtml

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The details are familiar: random guy with no actual connection to terrorists, and no actual way to build a connection with terrorists, is taken in by an FBI undercover agent who works with him to build a "bomb" that was never a bomb. In other words, there was no plot. There was no bomb. There was just a bunch of undercover agents playing dressup, and one Joe Schmo who thought it was all real. Maybe next time, the FBI can turn it into a reality TV show on Spike. Ralph Garmin as... a fake terrorist. I'd watch it.


FBI Bust Another Handcrafted 'Terrorist' For The Crime Of Thinking About Supporting A Terrorist Organization
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140318/17221226618/fbi-bust-anothe
r-handcrafted-terrorist-crime-thinking-about-supporting-terrorist-organization.shtml

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The FBI's string of thwarted, self-created terrorist plots continues unabated. Why look for terrorists when you can just craft them yourselves?


So tell me, who are the real terrorists here ?
For a fact most Jihadis are incompetent bunglers who can't even carry off a plot handed to them step by step on a silver platter, so why exactly should they be considered any kind of threat all by themselves ?
Most of em haven't the means, the brains or the resources to get over here, and the few that do find out real quick that most of the expat community over here in the states despise them, which is why they're HERE, most of em.

So no resources, no support, and the brains of a fucking squirrel, they'd never be a fucking threat whatever in the first place save for the FBI stepping in and MAKING THEM ONE, and in the rare case they play this game with someone actually half-competent like Ramzi Yousself and The Blind Shiek, it blows up in their face, literally in the case of WTC 1993.

So if you REALLY want to hunt down and pacify terrorists, start at Langley, Quantico and Meade, cause that's where the real ones are.

-Frem

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?
Terrorism is the aim of making ordinary non-combatants afraid, in order to meet some political or military goal. Instilling in the population a sense of surprise and dread

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... otherwise known as "shock and awe". The USA practices terrorism from 30,000 feet. The only difference between what we've done and what "they" do is the size of the weapon





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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:12 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


LOL


So, no conspiracy w/ Lois Lerner & the irs , where there IS a clear & obvious objective, to deny rights to citizens for pure political reasons. Got it.

But the FBI murdering 1000's of Americans to set up a false flag attack to frame those who actually are trying to kill us when there's no tangible benefit for the FBI , if successful. THAT is real!!!

*edit *


... otherwise known as "shock and awe". The USA practices terrorism from 30,000 feet. The only difference between what we've done and what "they" do is the size of the weapon


Why Spoilerize this ? Do you think yourself clever or something ?

To compare the US or any other free nation to the Islamo-nut jobs who attacked us on 9-11 is to reveal yourself to be void of any worth while intellect or humanity. Period.

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?
Terrorism is the aim of making ordinary non-combatants afraid, in order to meet some political


correct.
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or military goal.


Incorrect. Terrorism of non-combatants is not a military goal, just as targeting of non-combatants is not a military goal. Maybe you think some countries do, but not for those countries who spend their blood and treasure freeing other nations and liberating their subjects.
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Instilling in the population a sense of surprise and dread ... otherwise known as "shock and awe". The USA practices terrorism from 30,000 feet.


Incorrect. You are confusing non-combatant "population" with combatant "population" definitions. Demoralizing armed military enemy combatants en mass prior to execution of military combat operations IS a military practice, and practically no army in the history of the world has passed at the opportunity to exercise this advantage. Trying to claim that any military combat operation against armed enemy combatants is newspeak "terrorism" merely makes you sound like a radical anti-war zealot, begging for the Huns to come rape and pillage you and your family and communities.
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The only difference between what we've done and what "they" do is the size of the weapon




It would help us understand if you would explain if you are just being antagonistic and playing Devil's Advocate, or if you really are just totally clueless.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.


Exposing your weakness of anti-gun delusions is not helping your case.

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?

Because it sounds as if you have a bigger problem with those who try to defeat terrorists than the terrorists themselves.



i don't condone ANY violence, you low life piece of scum

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:53 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?

Because it sounds as if you have a bigger problem with those who try to defeat terrorists than the terrorists themselves.



i don't condone ANY violence, you low life piece of scum



Whadi miss?


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Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?

Because it sounds as if you have a bigger problem with those who try to defeat terrorists than the terrorists themselves.



i don't condone ANY violence, you low life piece of scum



Not even in defense of the helpless ?

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Friday, September 12, 2014 12:40 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Here's a thought, the world aint like a western and John Wayne isn't going to ride over the horizon.

Violence begets violence. self defence, or defence is too often used as an excuse, particularly accordinly to US laws.

Hopefully countries can learn to choose a more enlightened approach to conflict.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 7:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Here's a thought, the world aint like a western and John Wayne isn't going to ride over the horizon.

Violence begets violence. self defence, or defence is too often used as an excuse, particularly accordinly to US laws.

Hopefully countries can learn to choose a more enlightened approach to conflict.



Only it was like a John Wayne Western, and that's exactly what the US did, during WW2. Riding in from the West, to save the day and beat back NAZI Germany ( and then Japan ) with violence that ended violence.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 8:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah..... right. I can hear the Star Spangled Banner playing on your heart strings from here.

Did you know that the biggest battles of WW2 were fought on the Eastern Front, with far greater casualities suffered by Soviets, which dwarfed even German casualties. The ferocity and horrific nature of Eastern front battles and civilian deaths makes the western front, where the US was involved, look like a kid's playground stoush. And in fact, the outcome of the Eastern front battles determined the outcome of the war and it's unlikely that the US involvement would have determined a different outcome if not for what happened between the Soviets and the Nazis, and definitely not if they had still been allied.

People, especially Americans, always use WW2 as a good example of military action, and I suppose if you lived in some parts of the world, it was a tremendous outcome. Probably not so great for those living in the Eastern bloc, or the Middle East and North Africa, which continued in turmoil and military conflict, some places to this day.

The reality throughout history of military force is that it leaves countries and civilians in turmoil and despair, while being very advantageous for the victors, especially economically.

If you look at 20th century history, it's probably wiser to think of the two 'great wars' as one war with a hiatus, because if there had been no WW1, a stupid senseless conflict and no Treaty of Versailles, a punative, wicked treaty, there would have been no nazis, no hitler in power and no ww2.

War is usually stupid and avoidable. It's just that people, stupid people, think of violence as a solution, when it rarely is.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 8:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


War is hell, and there's no denying that.

But far better to win ( yes, actually achieve victory ) than to suffer defeat to the likes of the NAZIS or Islamic Jihadists.

If only my govt would agree to actually do the latter.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 8:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You have a gnats' view of the world. Try stepping outside of your tiny reality.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 9:14 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Military action sometimes resolves one conflict, while simultaneously creating another, or another series.

The US has had pretty shitty results with military interventions in recent years. To what purpose would a military intervention achieve? What has it achieved - try to find another example of it going well (other than ww2)

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Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:25 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Ssshhhhh, Brenda. I'm not sure that Rap realises that there were other nationalities in the Allies, don't destroy his fairytale.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 12:09 AM

OONJERAH



WE know -- and some of us believe in -- the Hollywood version of History.
Wherein the Yanks save the Day again & again & ...

But, you may well ask, where were the Yanks at the Battle of Thermopylae?



... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 12:34 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magon's, I wanted to reply to this specifically. I agree with you. Historically, the Soviets won WWII. The US presence mattered hardly at all.

But I also wanted to point something out about an earlier post. It's claimed that because the US militarily 'won' WWII (a questionable claim, but that aside ...), it made the world a better, more peaceful place.

What made the world a peaceful place was in fact the Marshall Plan for Europe and General Douglas MacArthur's reconstruction of Japan afterwards. Simple conquest - especially with punitive constraints, lead to more war, for example, when WWI segued into WWII.



Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yeah..... right. I can hear the Star Spangled Banner playing on your heart strings from here.

Did you know that the biggest battles of WW2 were fought on the Eastern Front, with far greater casualities suffered by Soviets, which dwarfed even German casualties. The ferocity and horrific nature of Eastern front battles and civilian deaths makes the western front, where the US was involved, look like a kid's playground stoush. And in fact, the outcome of the Eastern front battles determined the outcome of the war and it's unlikely that the US involvement would have determined a different outcome if not for what happened between the Soviets and the Nazis, and definitely not if they had still been allied.

People, especially Americans, always use WW2 as a good example of military action, and I suppose if you lived in some parts of the world, it was a tremendous outcome. Probably not so great for those living in the Eastern bloc, or the Middle East and North Africa, which continued in turmoil and military conflict, some places to this day.

The reality throughout history of military force is that it leaves countries and civilians in turmoil and despair, while being very advantageous for the victors, especially economically.

If you look at 20th century history, it's probably wiser to think of the two 'great wars' as one war with a hiatus, because if there had been no WW1, a stupid senseless conflict and no Treaty of Versailles, a punative, wicked treaty, there would have been no nazis, no hitler in power and no ww2.

War is usually stupid and avoidable. It's just that people, stupid people, think of violence as a solution, when it rarely is.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 2:20 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Totally agree with you, Ikiki.

And in fact, post ww2 was anything but peaceful if you look at all the conflict, revolution and wars that occured immediately afterwards. Plus the soviets had to endure another 15 years of Stalinism, so it weren't no picnic in that part of Europe.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Here's a thought, the world aint like a western and John Wayne isn't going to ride over the horizon.

Violence begets violence. self defence, or defence is too often used as an excuse, particularly accordinly to US laws.

Hopefully countries can learn to choose a more enlightened approach to conflict.



Only it was like a John Wayne Western, and that's exactly what the US did, during WW2. Riding in from the West, to save the day and beat back NAZI Germany ( and then Japan ) with violence that ended violence.




EXCUSE ME! The Yanks couldn't hold any of the beaches they landed on during DDAY. You want to know which soldiers did. CANADIANS. We also got the farthest inland on that day too. So leave the John Wayne bunk in your locker about WW2.


Are you trying to say that Canadians exercised violence? In defense of the occupied peoples of Yurp?

That's just crazy talk.

Are you evil?

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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Here's a thought, the world aint like a western and John Wayne isn't going to ride over the horizon.

Violence begets violence. self defence, or defence is too often used as an excuse, particularly accordinly to US laws.

Hopefully countries can learn to choose a more enlightened approach to conflict.



Only it was like a John Wayne Western, and that's exactly what the US did, during WW2. Riding in from the West, to save the day and beat back NAZI Germany ( and then Japan ) with violence that ended violence.




EXCUSE ME! The Yanks couldn't hold any of the beaches they landed on during DDAY. You want to know which soldiers did. CANADIANS. We also got the farthest inland on that day too. So leave the John Wayne bunk in your locker about WW2.


Are you trying to say that Canadians exercised violence? In defense of the occupied peoples of Yurp?

That's just crazy talk.

Are you evil?



That is exactly what I am saying. That's where we gained part of our reputation for helping others. Canada was instrumental in liberating Holland from the Nazis.

It ain't crazy talk.

No. It was a just cause. 'sides, when Hitler was finished with Europe, he would have set his sights on North America.


But but but. Canadians. Violence. In the same sentence. Aren't you supposed to meet in the middle?
Could you be thrown in jail for claiming Canadians can exercise violence?

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Friday, September 19, 2014 5:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
EXCUSE ME! The Yanks couldn't hold any of the beaches they landed on during DDAY. You want to know which soldiers did. CANADIANS. We also got the farthest inland on that day too. So leave the John Wayne bunk in your locker about WW2.


Are you trying to say that Canadians exercised violence? In defense of the occupied peoples of Yurp?

That's just crazy talk.

Are you evil?


That is exactly what I am saying. That's where we gained part of our reputation for helping others. Canada was instrumental in liberating Holland from the Nazis.

It ain't crazy talk.

No. It was a just cause. 'sides, when Hitler was finished with Europe, he would have set his sights on North America.


But but but. Canadians. Violence. In the same sentence. Aren't you supposed to meet in the middle?
Could you be thrown in jail for claiming Canadians can exercise violence?


We do meet in the middle which is why Canada has had peacekeepers on the island of Cyprus since 1964. To keep both sides from destroying the island.

No, I can't.


I really, really do hope that your sarcasm detector has been working lately.
It is hard for me to fun Canadians when my favorite films include Canadian Bacon, and shows include Due South. One of my fave friends in the Marine Corps was from Summerland, BC.

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Monday, September 22, 2014 6:16 PM

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EXCUSE ME! The Yanks couldn't hold any of the beaches they landed on during DDAY. You want to know which soldiers did. CANADIANS. We also got the farthest inland on that day too. So leave the John Wayne bunk in your locker about WW2.


Are you trying to say that Canadians exercised violence? In defense of the occupied peoples of Yurp?

That's just crazy talk.

Are you evil?


That is exactly what I am saying. That's where we gained part of our reputation for helping others. Canada was instrumental in liberating Holland from the Nazis.

It ain't crazy talk.

No. It was a just cause. 'sides, when Hitler was finished with Europe, he would have set his sights on North America.


But but but. Canadians. Violence. In the same sentence. Aren't you supposed to meet in the middle?
Could you be thrown in jail for claiming Canadians can exercise violence?


We do meet in the middle which is why Canada has had peacekeepers on the island of Cyprus since 1964. To keep both sides from destroying the island.

No, I can't.


I really, really do hope that your sarcasm detector has been working lately.
It is hard for me to fun Canadians when my favorite films include Canadian Bacon, and shows include Due South. One of my fave friends in the Marine Corps was from Summerland, BC.



Don't worry Jewel it is. :) Loved, loved Due South. Never seen Canadian Bacon but heard of it. I tried watching Strange Brew but couldn't get into it though I love the MacKenzie Brothers. *L* Never been to Summerland but heard its pretty there.


Due South was after Canadian Bacon, some say inspired by it. If you liked DS, you should love CB. I own both collections - never saw the final season of DS until I got the DVDs.

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Monday, September 22, 2014 8:15 PM

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You could be right Magon. I just get a little riled up when I hear Americans taking credit for everything in WWI and WW2.



Not so much WW1, but spare me the 'Oh Canada' stuff for D Day. That was mostly Brits and USA troops that carried the load. US had more than 3x's as many forces as Canada.

Thanks for the help, though.

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Tuesday, May 21, 2024 12:35 PM

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Here's a thought, the world aint like a western and John Wayne isn't going to ride over the horizon.

Violence begets violence. self defence, or defence is too often used as an excuse, particularly accordinly to US laws.

Hopefully countries can learn to choose a more enlightened approach to conflict.





People who practice taking the moral high ground while hiding behind others are cowards.

Peace is best but the world is replete with bad guys. If someone stood in front of you and said give me your money, by your logic you would have to. Then you would rely on someone else, law enforcement, to get it back. We have militaries for much the same reason.

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