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What's with the american shitbull terrier?

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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:30 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


What's the fascination the US citizen has with the American SHITBULL TERRIER?

It has to be one of the dumbest dogs on the planet
not particularly good at anything excepyt maybe savaging small kids and attacking other dogs

They have low IQs, are difficult to train and sometimes turn on their owner

You also see this mutt in the hoods of Mexico and the trailer trash regions of Europe, they have slightly different breeds like Staffordshire Bull and Bull Terrier

The dog could have been something but the bloodline got messed up, its full of human-agressive mutts and the breed was used by drug dealers, gamblers and dog fighters, I would love to cull this dumb fuckingbreed of dog, ship them all to the Phillippines, stick them into a burger and restart the breed.



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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:03 PM

WISHIMAY


Agreed. They cause far more trouble than they are worth. I wouldn't be surprised if they cost billions in reconstructions every year. I think only people that have an exotic pet license should have them.

I have a Chihuahua mix that has a dash of pit in it believe it or not (sometimes you get one that looks a little like a Doberman, or a terrier, but ours has the pit squint eyes and overly square jaw and he's boxy)
he's great with us, but a total bastard with other people, and you can't believe how hard I've tried to train it out of him.

There's no way in hell I'd own one that weighs any more than 20 lbs...

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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:55 PM

THGRRI


Again JYNEZTOWN I see you post according to your opinion and not based on any facts.

"If there was a manual describing ideal Pit Bull temperament, it would
probably read something like this: "The Pit Bull is goofily friendly towards

people - family, friends, and strangers alike. Known for its sound
character, strong nerve, and great intelligence, the breed makes an ideal
companion for households with children, while remaining strong and
vigilant enough to protect its loved ones if need be. It is never necessary
to embark on guard or attack training with this breed, as they are
naturally attuned to their environment and intuitive about real threats.
Although never aggression towards people without real need, the Pit Bull
may show dog-directed aggression, but sensitivity to other dogs will vary
from dog to dog. The properly socialized and trained Pit Bull should not be
an instigator, yet it is unlikely for the breed to shy away from a challenge.

The breed is known for its high prey drive, and so due caution should be
exercised when cats, rabbits, domestic fowl, and other such animals are
present. Dog-sensitivity and high prey drive should not be viewed as a
fault, although excessive, uncontrollable aggression is neither desired nor
correct. Aggression towards humans should be viewed as a serious fault."



http://www.realpitbull.com/temperament.html

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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:29 PM

THGRRI



Here is an another example JAYNETOWN of facts exposing your posting of bullshit and lies. After reading this do us all and favor and crawl back under your rock.






"Hoax map exposes fake refugee stories to spread 'facts instead of prejudice'

Last summer, as the number of migrants and refugees fleeing to Europe began to soar, so did the number of news stories about them. But German Karolin Schwarz, 30, was finding that not all of those stories were true.

On Feb. 8, as the number of rumors and fake stories about them surged, Schwarz, a business consultant, and her colleague Lutz Helm, a software developer, created a "hoax map" to debunk them.

"We were seeing more and more rumors about refugees committing crimes or receiving excessive health care, [and] we wanted to create something to counter this trend and maybe give people a tool to check up on stories they have been hearing," Schwarz told Mashable via email on Wednesday.

The interactive "hoax map" pinpoints the locations of each fake story. Clicking on the pins opens a small window with a brief summary of each false report and a link to where it originated.

The map lists 243 "hoaxes" in all, with 187 points marked across Germany, according to German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung's count."


http://mashable.com/2016/02/17/hoax-map-refugees-europe/

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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:43 PM

WISHIMAY


Dude, google images "Pit mauls child" "Pit mauls woman" "Pit mauls man".

A "PET" should not be capable of that. You should not be allowed to let something run around your house that can do that to a full grown person.

They need to NOT be bred, and to be slowly phased out of existence.

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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:36 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Dude, google images "Pit mauls child" "Pit mauls woman" "Pit mauls man".

A "PET" should not be capable of that. You should not be allowed to let something run around your house that can do that to a full grown person.

They need to NOT be bred, and to be slowly phased out of existence.



Estimates are there are 5,256,000 Pit Bulls in the United States. You site three examples. Don't forget Morons teach pit bulls to attack and the dog gets the blame.

"Think about the facts before you judge. Pit Bull Statistics are what they are. It’s how you choose to interpret them, or listen to the biased interpretations.

According to the American Temperament Test Society, temperament evaluations of American Pit Bull Terriers shows that this breed has a very high passing rate of 82.6%.

The average passing rate for the other 121 breeds of dogs in the tests: 77%.

Look at the facts below. Pit Bulls have gone through so much, yet they’re still less likely to attack you then a Rottweiler, German Shepherd, or a Chow. Pit Bulls are facing bans across the United States and across the world, yet society is to blame, because they’re the ones tearing the breed apart. For many people, Pit Bulls are nothing more then an asset, for making money. These people mass produce Pit Bulls, force them to fight for their lives, and when they lose their fight, they’re killed. Many situations occur where the Pit Bull will be hung, electrocuted, shot, etc., yet THEY ARE THE ONES TO BLAME? I find that a little contradicting don't you?"



http://defendpitbulls.com/pit-bull-attack-statistics/

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Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:40 PM

ELVISCHRIST


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

It has to be one of the dumbest dogs on the planet
not particularly good at anything excepyt maybe savaging small kids and attacking other dogs

They have low IQs, are difficult to train and sometimes turn on their owner




You just answered your own question. The dog is a representation of the USA. Dumb, vicious, attacks others...

Is it any wonder Trump's the frontrunner for the GOP? He's the embodiment of everything they hold dear. Dumb as a fucking stump, relying all his life on bailouts and handouts, and yet convinced he's done it all himself.

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Thursday, February 18, 2016 12:03 AM

WISHIMAY


I don't buy that statistic for ONE SECOND.

Follow the news. Read what type dog did it. I have, for a decade. Pits absolutely do the most damage, and over half the time it's a family pet that they have had for years and you see over and over "We never expected him to do that."

If you can't trust a pet to not eat your face off, it's NOT A GOOD PET.



For the record, Rottweiler's need to go to.

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Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:59 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Don't forget Morons teach pit bulls to attack and the dog gets the blame.

"Think about the facts before you judge. Pit Bull Statistics are what they are.



You might think you are making some kind of point here, but Wishimay is correct here, she is smarter and wiser than you


http://www.livescience.com/27145-are-pit-bulls-dangerous.html
But do pit bulls deserve their reputation as vicious "attack" dogs? An overwhelming amount of evidence suggests they do.

A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.

In other words, a whopping two-thirds of the hospital's dog-attack injuries involved just two breeds


http://dogs.petbreeds.com/stories/4046/dog-breeds-attack#35-pit-bull
Attacks doing bodily harm: 3,397
Deaths: 295

Pit Bull behavior has long been debated and scrutinized in the dog world. Though many pit bulls are perfectly lovable and good with children, there is an incredibly disproportionate number of attacks doing bodily harm — most notably fatal attacks — that are worth raising an eyebrow about. A trait common in pit bulls, getting angry and attacking without any warning, is a contributing factor. Not being able to spot the subtle warning signs pit bulls give off puts adults at significant risk in said scenarios.


http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed

The outdated debate, "It's the owner, not the breed," has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 30-year old problem.1 Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings -- inflicted by the pit bull's genetic "hold and shake" bite style -- on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull's behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries.

The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.3

Purveyors of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and their family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2014, pit bulls killed 203 Americans, about one citizen every 18 days. Of these deaths, 53% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.5

Myth #2: It's impossible to identify a pit bull

Myth #3: Human-aggressive pit bulls were "culled"


http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php
Q: What is the history of the pit bull?

The blood sport of "bull baiting" began over 1,000 years ago in England (various sources dispute this date). What is undisputed is that by 1500, bull baiting had progressed to Britain's national pastime. Bulldogs were reportedly first mentioned by name in 1631, referring to their function rather than a distinct dog breed. By 1800, and through further selective breeding, the bulldog developed into a compact muscular dog characterized by tremendous jaw strength.3

Due to public outrage, bull baiting was banned in England in 1835. Bulldog breeders and owners then moved to the sport of "ratting," where a number of rats were placed into a pit and wagers were made on how many rats the dog could kill in a certain time period. To increase agility, quickness and prey-drive in the bulldog, ratters crossed the breed with terriers. Essentially, it was the sport of ratting that combined the bulldog and terrier into the modern day pit bull terrier.

On the heels of ratting, dogfighting developed. Pit bulls and dogfighting were exported to America as settlers made their way to the New World. In 1884, the American Kennel Club was formed but rejected pit bulls due to their use in dogfighting. In response, Chauncey Z. Bennett formed the United Kennel Club in 1898 to bring formal recognition to the pit bull breed. At that time, Bennett also drew up rules and regulations for dogfighting to bring "organization" to the blood sport.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php

2014 dog bite fatality statistics

42 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2014. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 64% (27) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (27) and rottweilers (4), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 74% of the total recorded deaths in 2014. This same combination also accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 10-year period of 2005 to 2014.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 10-year period. From 2005 to 2014, pit bulls killed 203 Americans, about one citizen every 18 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 38, about one citizen every 96 days.
In the year of 2014, the combination of pit bulls (27), rottweilers (4) and mastiff-type guard dogs and war dogs (4) -- the types used to create "baiting" bull breeds and fighting breeds -- accounted for 83% (35) of all dog bite-related fatalities

http://www.dognotebook.com/15-dangerous-dog-breeds-most-likely-to-turn
-on-their-owners
/
American Pit Bull Terrier

These dogs repeatedly make headlines for attacking people. Their aggressive temperament matched with their strength historically saw them bred as fighting dogs. While dog fights are illegal, many of the dogs still exhibit the traits of fighters. These dogs were also used for baiting both bulls and bears so their genetic makeup is rather fierce.

Pit bulls have been known to attack children, the elderly, their owners – anyone that happens to be in their path. If the dog feels provoked or startled, it has been known to bite. Many owners swear that their pet would never attack them; however, this breed has led to more human fatalities than any other.

The sheer volume of Pit Bull attacks have prompted many insurers to deny coverage associated with homeowners insurance. Many owners have to seek a special policy for coverage liability protection where their pet is concerned. Of course, some don’t bother to tell their insurer about their new pet and this could lead to problems, especially if the dog does bite or injure someone.

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2015/07/11/boyle-column-
stats-lie-dangers-pit-bulls/30015541
/

The numbers don't lie.

And when it comes to pit bulls and fatalities, here's what they say: "In the 10-year period from 2005 to 2014, pit bulls killed 203 Americans and accounted for 62 percent of the total recorded deaths (326). Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 74 percent of these deaths."



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Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It's possible that the overwhelming number of dog attacks involve pit bulls because the overwhelming number of dogs are pit bulls or pit mixes.

I had a lost cat once, so I went to the pound to find kitty (He wasn't there. He showed up at home, fat and happy, ten days later. Apparently, he'd been vacationing at someone else's house!) and decided to stroll thru the dog kennels and I swear to god, at least half of them were pits or mixes. That says more about people than pits, 'cause most of the homies around here like pits (and tatoos) because of their aggressive reputation. Yep, driving around with shaved heads in an old truck with a pit in the back and "BOOM ta-ta BOOM ta-ta" from the stereo that can be heard five miles away. Fucking assholes.

Another time, I was at the vet with my senile Samoyed. They're called the fox-faced dog, or the smiling dog. Because the breed has a built-in smile (the Sammies in the USA have been bred to be bigger, with a blunter nose and less "smile", but she was the original type) like this
she just looked like a white happy puffball. Unfortunately, in her dotty old age she would bite - hard- and without warning. So while we were in a crowded vet's waiting room, and everyone was backing up in fear from the pit bull, they were backing up into HER. I had to warm everyone away, and took her to wait outside.


Anyway, there are other dogs at least as aggressive as pits, if not more so, and ALL of those breeds make poor choices as pets. Chows in particular are known to be snappy. Dobermans, German Shepherds, Great Danes, Rotweilers, and the "sled dogs". Cane Corso, There are a number of mastiff breeds which have been bred to be fighting or guard dogs, altho the two most comical and friendliest dogs I ever met were Bull Mastiffs.

Since "most aggressive" lists tend to be based on bite statistics, which partly depends on the number of dogs owned and the size of the dog, someone actually did a study on the temperament of the dog breed irrespective of level of ownership and size and found

Quote:

Breeds with the greatest percentage of dogs exhibiting serious aggression (bites or bite attempts) toward humans included Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and Jack Russell Terriers (toward strangers and owners); Australian Cattle Dogs (toward strangers); and American Cocker Spaniels and Beagles (toward owners). More than 20% of Akitas, Jack Russell Terriers and Pit Bull Terriers were reported as displaying serious aggression toward unfamiliar dogs. Golden Retrievers, Labradors Retrievers, Bernese Mountain Dogs, Brittany Spaniels, Greyhounds and Whippets were the least aggressive toward both humans and dogs. Among English Springer Spaniels, conformation-bred dogs were more aggressive to humans and dogs than field-bred dogs

http://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591%2808%2900114-
7/abstract



So yeah, some small dogs, too, tend to be aggressive WAY beyond their size: they snap, growl, lunge and yap, but who the heck care? They're too small to do much damage.

And everybody knows that purebreds are their own special hell, not only because of unstable temperament but also because of health problems. So, seriously, while I agree with you about pits, that judgment extends to about 25% of the available breeds. They need to be re-bred, with all of those genetic defects bred out of them.

Give me a happy rambunctious German Shorthair or Laborador mix any day!

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Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:31 AM

BYTEMITE


All dogs are descended from wolves. If we want to get rid of any animal capable of mauling a human, we'd have to get rid of all medium to large dogs (and maybe some smaller vicious dogs and some cats).

I'm also pretty sure that automobiles mangle a lot more people in a year than dogs do.

Pitbulls may well have innate genetic behavioural issues, if so, encourage people to spay and neuter their pets, and if an animal is too aggressive, then it can be put down. Rounding up all animals of a particular breed to cull them whether or not they've demonstrated behavioural problems is a disturbing idea.

The two pitbulls I've met in my life are both sweeties.

The first belonged to a TA of one of my field work classes and his wife, and they brought the animal along to our camp. The animal never caused any problem, and was generally friendly and liked being petted.

The other pitbull I met on my walks and it used to run up to the fence to bark and growl as a territorial show, as most dogs will do. It's tail and body language did not suggest it was afraid of me or any bad temper despite it's behaviour. When it ran up to bark, I'd continue walking, unafraid, and talk to it in a soothing voice. Within a month the dog was used to me and stopped the territorial behaviour, and instead started coming up to the fence wagging it's tail and whining in greeting.

Sometimes there is another dog in the yard with the pitbull who does still run up and bark, and the pitbull will actually intervene and try to push the other dog away from the fence when this happens.

If I'd had a bias against pitbulls, I would have seen the animal's initial behaviour as very threatening and I would have thought it was "one of the bad ones." This would have made me act fearful or aggressive back towards the dog, and escalated the problem. Similarly, if the dog had displayed any aggression above or beyond simple territorialness, I would have removed myself from that situation by changing my walking route.

It is true that some pitbulls, either from breeding or training, ARE problem dogs. But I still think they have to be taken at a case by case basis.

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Thursday, February 25, 2016 1:01 PM

RIVERLOVE


There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. Lots of sadistic bastards out there.

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Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:36 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. Lots of sadistic bastards out there.




REDICULOUS!!! THEY ARE DOGS. AN ANIMAL.

They have no notion of "good" or "bad"... you moron.








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Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:29 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. Lots of sadistic bastards out there.




REDICULOUS!!! THEY ARE DOGS. AN ANIMAL.

They have no notion of "good" or "bad"... you moron.


Well fuck you too BITCH.

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Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:42 PM

WISHIMAY


When you stop being so stupid, I'll be nicer. I'm tired of coddling people who don't have a clue...

http://archive.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=90635

http://nypost.com/2011/03/20/granny-mauled/



BTW, these are all reasons a pit has attacked.



being an animal control officer, being a mail carrier, being a gas worker,

being a landscaper, being a police officer, being a public works employee

being in a wheelchair, being pregnant , borrowing a blender, breaking the ice out of a water bowl , being an animal control officer, being a mail carrier

disciplining your dog, driving a vehicle, dropping a glass, falling down, feeding the dog, getting neutered, getting off a bus, getting the mail,

getting the newspaper, handing someone a phone, hanging decorations

having a dog on your lap, having a seizure, having a smoke, hearing an argument, hearing thunder , holding a clipboard, holding a mailbag

holding a stuffed animal, hopping off a couch, jumping on a trampoline, letting your dog out, mowing your lawn, opening a car door, opening your front door, playing in your backyard, playing in your front yard, playing on a playground, playing on a swing set, playing with a tennis ball, reaching for your purse, reading a bible , remodeling your home, running from bees,

saving a family from a fire , seeing a cat run up tree, seeing a dog inside a house, seeing a horse, seeing a squirrel run up tree, seeing a leashed dog,

seeing an unleashed dog, sitting on a bed, sitting on your spouse's lap, showing your spouse affection, sitting in a stroller, sitting in a tire swing,

sitting in a wagon, sitting on your porch, slipping on ice, smelling "baby formula" , standing in your backyard, standing in your garage, stepping on an ant pile, the act of bicycling, the act of driving, the act of gardening, the act of sex, the act of jogging, the act of sleeping, the sound of clapping

the sound of screaming, taking out the trash, walking on a beach, walking down a path, walking down a road, walking down a sidewalk, walking a snack sized dog, undergoing dialysis , unloading bags from a car, watching TV, waiting for a bus, wearing a ponytail, watering plants.

I'm sure all these people were just horrible people...

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Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:00 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:


I'm also pretty sure that automobiles mangle a lot more people in a year than dogs do.



The two pitbulls I've met in my life are both sweeties.




Damn, are you ever out of practice on arguments.

Cars are necessary, pit bulls are NOT. And since you met a whole two of them I'm sure that makes you qualified to report on their behaviors.


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Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The only pitbull I ever came across in my neighborhood was one of the friendliest least aggressive dogs I've ever met. If I could have I would have brought him home with me.

OTOH my next door neighbor's Chihuahua bit me for no reason, I was just standing there in my own yard.

Many years ago I lived in a bad neighborhood where the owners of a German Shepherd that was a known biter would mostly keep him in, except for when they didn't. I ended up having to face him down one dark winter night when I was on call with the hospital and had to go in.

I was once stalked through the neighborhood by an Akita - and I have to say, until then I never realized dogs could have a stealthy, protracted stalking behavior. That damn thing followed me for four blocks and around 5 corners, hiding behind bushes when I looked, then sneaking up close behind me while I was walking.

Another time another neighbor's Rottweiler pair escaped and, after they made their way through my fence, literally trapped me in my house. I went out the side door and they came charging me out of the blue. So I figured I could get out the front door but they came charging around the corner at me when they heard the door. Then they LOOKED AT EACH OTHER, and the one continued to the front door to guard it while the other one went back to the side door.

My own dog, a German Shepherd/ Retriever mix who I literally picked up as a full grown dog from near the freeway, was a friendly dog until something would go by very quickly - it didn't matter if it was a rabbit, a bicycle, a car, or a skateboarder - then she'd be off in a flash and would bite whatever she 'caught'.

I don't think you can ever trust any dog completely, and I sort of both marvel and shake my head when I hear owners say - 'oh you can pet my dog. He (or she) is very friendly'. But dogs respond to things - body language, smells, sounds - we're not aware of and may never truly understand. And just like people they can have off days.

Aside from asshole owners - gang-bangers, wannabes and dogfighters - the things pitbulls have going against them are their size and bite, both of which could contribute to serious damage if they have an off moment, no matter how atypical of the particular dog.




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Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:29 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:


I'm also pretty sure that automobiles mangle a lot more people in a year than dogs do.



The two pitbulls I've met in my life are both sweeties.




Damn, are you ever out of practice on arguments.

Cars are necessary, pit bulls are NOT. And since you met a whole two of them I'm sure that makes you qualified to report on their behaviors.




What's scary is you suggesting selective genocide. What's next sharks, rattle snakes and crocodiles? Then after them who?

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Saturday, February 27, 2016 10:56 AM

WISHIMAY


You wanna talk SCARY??
Ok, lets talk scary...










These are the NICE pics. I won't post the ones where the entire face is ripped off, the throat torn completely out, hand mangled beyond belief.

The fact is, I know two people who have had chunks of their faces ripped out because of these monsters THAT WE MADE. They have to live with the reality of nerve and muscle damage TO THEIR FACE for their entire lives because of a damn dog.

YOU should not be allowed to own an animal that can do that to a person that just knocks on a door or walks down a street.

I never said kill all pits. I say we breed no more of them. You wanna own them, you have to pay up and have a special license and prove you can contain them. (Just like if you wanted to own a dangerous snake, shark or crocodile)

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Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:51 PM

THGRRI


As I said before Wishie, there are 5 million pit bulls in this country. 3 pictures, 50 pictures, as sad as they are, are anecdotal. Creating a law that prohibits pit bulls from breeding is in effect genocide of the breed. As I said before what's next, lions, tigers and bears? Actually that is already happening and that is every bit as sad.

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Saturday, February 27, 2016 11:45 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Creating a law that prohibits pit bulls from breeding is in effect genocide of the breed.



HUGE difference between CONTROLLED BREEDING and GENOCIDE.




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Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:28 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Creating a law that prohibits pit bulls from breeding is in effect genocide of the breed.



HUGE difference between CONTROLLED BREEDING and GENOCIDE.






I'm not against harsher penalties against those who breed fighting dogs or dogs that are intentionally aggressive.

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Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:13 AM

WISHIMAY


WHOOP-A-DEE-DOO.

That'll do NOTHING to stop the problem.

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Sunday, February 28, 2016 4:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The problem with the argument against pitbulls is that it can be applied to any dog - and most pets and farm animals.

I've personally seen problems with all dogs, except the pitbull. But I also know one person who ended up in the hospital and another person who lost part of a finger due to cat bites (in both cases serious infection was the problem). I've been stepped on by a horse and had another one squeeze me against a tree, seen another person bitten (for no reason I could see) and another person mule-kicked by a horse. Granted, the person who got kicked was tormenting the horse and deserved it, but ... I've seen people butted by goats, bitten by parakeets, bitten by parrots (until I saw that and looked it up I didn't realize parrots had a reputation for biting, and beaks strong enough to crack a Brazil nut), even people bitten by a hamster.

The only pet I can think of that can't directly harm anyone are fish, unless they're carnivorous piranhas.

And animals don't have to physically maul you to threaten your health and life, as the people with cat bites would tell you.

I do think there are breed-specific characteristics in dogs, but pitbulls seem to be on the better end.

Personally if I were going to get another dog I'd get a standard poodle, as they're intelligent, friendly, calm and easily trainable. In terms of trainability, of the things that I've read, they outscore every other breed. OTOH dogs that are bred for a high prey drive - terriers and herders, and dogs that have to act semi-independently under harsh conditions like sled dogs, have a reputation for poor trainability.

Of all the dogs I'd make a point to stay away from, and maybe even outlaw, the presa Canario is at the top of my personal list.


Perro de Presa Canario Breed Information - Vetstreet
www.vetstreet.com › Dogs › Breeds › Working
Perro de Presa Canarios are a large, aggressive breed and are not suitable for many types of homes. Learn all about Perro de Presa Canario breeders,






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Sunday, February 28, 2016 4:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:


I'm also pretty sure that automobiles mangle a lot more people in a year than dogs do.



The two pitbulls I've met in my life are both sweeties.




Damn, are you ever out of practice on arguments.

Cars are necessary, pit bulls are NOT. And since you met a whole two of them I'm sure that makes you qualified to report on their behaviors.




Cars are not "necessary," you fucking twat. That's just pure stupidity on your part. Cars did not exist before 1886, so to claim them as necessary is utterly retarded.

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Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I think you can rightfully criticize Wish's arguments, and maybe even her behavior, but posting a slur against her female parts is disrespectful to everyone else here who has female parts.




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Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:25 PM

WISHIMAY


It don't bother me, that statement is quite easily the dumbest thing I've read here in years.

If you think they ain't necessary, then don't ever call an ambulance, cop, and don't EVER buy any food store bought.


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Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Cars are not "necessary," you fucking twat. That's just pure stupidity on your part. Cars did not exist before 1886, so to claim them as necessary is utterly retarded.

Twat you say? I am not going back to horse and buggy. Or chariot. Maybe we can all ride bicycles, buses and trains when pit bulls and the auto are outlawed.

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Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:13 PM

WISHIMAY


new one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3514124/Woman-86-mauled-death-
daughter-s-two-pit-bulls-fell-dogs-attacked-head-neck.html



This is a perfect example of why regular people should not have pits..
The whole neighborhood KNEW this dogs were dangerous and could do nothing about it. Emotionalism gets in the way of intelligence EVERY TIME....

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Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:


I'm also pretty sure that automobiles mangle a lot more people in a year than dogs do.



The two pitbulls I've met in my life are both sweeties.




Damn, are you ever out of practice on arguments.

Cars are necessary, pit bulls are NOT. And since you met a whole two of them I'm sure that makes you qualified to report on their behaviors.




I have never owned a car, or a pitbull. Perhaps that makes me unqualified to comment on either of them, but I can look at statistics, and think one is a widespread problem that for some reason everyone just ignores, and that the other might be fearmongering.

As for the insults, sorry to see that was said. I don't come around this board much anymore.

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Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:53 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

As for the insults, sorry to see that was said. I don't come around this board much anymore.



What part of what I said was not accurate? Making an argument about cars in a pitbull conversation is a total false equivalency. YOU would've called someone else out on that before...

You go away and come back all thin-skinned and fragile to a place that's known for fighting, wait.... did someone die? Have you been diagnosed with something??

Either way, if you don't want to be argued with I'd suggest chat, not RWED.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:42 AM

BYTEMITE


What are you talking about Wish? I was apologizing that someone called you a word that I won't even repeat.

I agree with you that maybe dogs like pitbulls should have special permits, and I'll even say we do have to be more careful about breeding pets in general. I'll even agree with you that I am not as bright as I thought I was, and that I am shit at arguments and always have been - though saying two things are dangerous, and then comparing the relative level of danger between them is not a false equivalence. That's risk assessment. Specifically we're looking at types, probability, and magnitude. https://www.ready.gov/risk-assessment

If I said "more americans in 2013 were killed by car accidents (35,200) than in terrorist attacks (23)" - and I've even done so BEFORE - then hey, I just made a logically sound comment about the relative danger between them.
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?chart=country&cas
ualties_type=f&casualties_max=&start_yearonly=2013&end_yearonly=2013&dtp2=all&country=217

www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2013/224833.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2014/0215/Estimated-35-200-U
S-traffic-deaths-reported-in-2013


If I removed cars, "because cars are necessary," and terrorist attacks aren't, even though necessity doesn't really have any impact on determining whether something is dangerous or not, and I said "more americans were killed in 2013 by the child flu (149) than by terrorists (23)," I have also made a valid comment about relative danger. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6223a5.htm

Or if I said that "dog bites in 2013 (32) killed more americans than terrorist attacks (23)," maybe that would be an example of this sort of logic that you would accept? http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2013.php

None of those are actually false equivalencies. You might, MIGHT be able to call my argument an Appeal to Worse Problems, except that I didn't say we should do nothing about dog bites or pitbulls, nor did I argue that you don't care about car accidents, child flu, or terrorists, I merely tried to put things into perspective.

In any case: You just got called something vile. And you're asking why I stay the hell away now?

Why do you all care so much about the arguments around here that this kinda language gets thrown around? What makes it worth it for you to give and subject yourselves to this kind of vitriol? This is a freakin' internet argument about freakin' DOGS. It's not like any of you have either the power to destroy all pitbulls, or the power to gift everyone on earth with one. None of this matters except how you are treating each other.

What died is everyone's sense of humour and compassion for each other. What I got diagnosed with is getting the hell out of needlessly stressful situations. You should all try it.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:32 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:


What died is everyone's sense of humour and compassion for each other. What I got diagnosed with is getting the hell out of needlessly stressful situations. You should all try it.




Thought you were saying I was insulting you. I blew off the other idiot, pretty much instantly.

Either way, I won't dare wade into cars/vs pits thing. It doesn't make any sense. One is needed, one isn't. There is NO connection.

I come here and get angry because I'm not allowed to shoot people. I thought that was obvious

I don't think you are going to change RWED, like so many others have tried before. I really don't care that some twit on the internet called me something, I'm an adult. What bothers me is people raping babies to death, people with deadly weapons and ZERO sense of control, and people who like to manipulate. And boredom. Boredom bugs me a LOT.

If absolute civility matters to you, then I would stay away. Chat is usually fuzzy and warm, and we could use more bodies in there, just avoid Tigerpilot...


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Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:34 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I come here and get angry because I'm not allowed to shoot people.

There's plenty of things to get angry about. Pitbulls are pretty low on the list imo.




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Sunday, May 15, 2016 12:29 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:



There's plenty of things to get angry about. Pitbulls are pretty low on the list imo.




Like I said, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION, EVER.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3591393/New-Jersey-girl-three-
viciously-mauled-pit-bull-grandmother-s-house.html


If it doesn't make you mad that little kids are losing limbs and faces to something WE made that IS NOT NECESSARY, you are OBLIVIOUS.

La la la, they will be fine, la la la, not my problem, la la la.

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Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I pay attention to a lot of things. Pitbulls aren't at the top of my list.

This is closer to the top. Except I don't feel anger. It's closer to rage.


http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world%20hunger%20facts%20200
2.htm


Children are the most visible victims of undernutrition. Black et al (2013) estimate that undernutrition ... is a cause of 3.1 million child deaths annually ...




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Monday, May 16, 2016 1:25 AM

WISHIMAY


You can't even remotely stay on topic, can you?

You wanna be mad about malnutrition, start another thread!

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Monday, May 16, 2016 4:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I come here and get angry because I'm not allowed to shoot people.

This seems pretty off-topic. But, since YOU brought it up, I responded.

BTW, I don't think you come here to discuss, or to be angry. You come to let your inner asshole out while you pretend to be better than those other assholes you criticize. Eh, an asshole is an asshole.

So noted. I won't be responding to you until YOU can stay on-topic and actually - yanno - refrain from being an asshole and discuss things like a reasonable person.





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Monday, May 16, 2016 8:21 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


So noted. I won't be responding to you







Halleluiah! I never thought you'd shut that pious act off.

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Monday, May 16, 2016 10:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


comment from the side: wow, talk about being an asshole in full diarrhea mode




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Monday, May 16, 2016 10:20 PM

WISHIMAY


Ya know, for someone who was gonna stop talking I'm sure seeing a lot of blah blah blah here.

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Monday, May 16, 2016 11:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


comment from the side: an observation




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Sunday, June 12, 2016 2:51 AM

WISHIMAY


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/family-montreal-woman-killed-dog-121921144.h
tml?nhp=1


She also said this isn't the first time the dog attacked someone. It had been aggressive in at least two other situations.

"One [incident] happened when the owner had tied his dog [outside] a dé?panneur [convenience store] ... on a post and from what I understand when he came back, [the dog] was on the jacket of an individual that he doesn't know," she said.

The dog also attacked the owner's cousin, because it thought the cousin was an intruder, she said.

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Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:09 AM

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Saturday, July 2, 2016 2:04 PM

OONJERAH



DogsBite.org
Some dogs don't let go.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php?gclid=CjwKEAjw
zN27BRDFn9aAwLmH2yISJABWuEXcaX2C8wnZb7x43vUAlIVHcBNJcCKgZp3RjaFBYKph0hoCb1nw_wcB


The site gives statistics showing that fatal attacks by pit bulls
account for more human deaths than all other breeds combined.
They have No real competition in this field.

Yes, I have met friendly pit bulls.
I have read about heroic pit bulls.

Nevertheless, I feel the breed should be controlled,
restricted to owners who are successful dog trainers.

If they've been killing 22 humans per year on average,
mostly children & elderly, I can't see how this is acceptable
in our society.

(Otoh, crazy human, gun owners have a much worse record.
But as the USA has about 323 million people, maybe
that's why we can kill so many more than the dogs do.)



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Monday, July 18, 2016 4:07 AM

OONJERAH


OK. Let's try to keep our perspective on this issue. Hmmm?

Neighbors React to Pit Bull Attack of Teenager
http://www.cbs58.com/story/32446925/neighbors-react-to-pit-bull-attack
-of-teenager


Pit bull attacks woman in Trenton, dies while being subdued
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2016/07/pit_bull_attacks_woman_in_t
renton_dies_while_being.html


Pit bulls attack 2 elderly women in north Harris
http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/spring/article/Reports-police-shoot-
dog-that-attacked-two-women-8346451.php


Local vet shares thoughts on pit bull attack
http://www.wbbjtv.com/2016/07/14/pit-bull-attack-leads-to-possible-cau
se-from-local-vet
/

No, I didn't run out of headlines about this.
I just got tired of listing them.

... Whenever I hear someone say, "Pit Bulls are great dogs.
They just have a bad rap."
I can agree in reverse: What's wrong with their rap: It's not bad enough.

They were bred for fighting, for strength, aggression & fearlessness.
Not bred for intelligence, tractability, or cooperation.

Most of them will go their whole lives without hurting anyone. How
do you pick out the good pit bulls from the nasty ones? I don't know,
& I don't care. They should be treated as a controlled substance.





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