What are America's interests? by SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Are you going to argue that wages have not been stagnant in the last 20 years and have not even gone up with inflation?

Are you going to argue it's untrue that health insurance has become unaffordable for most people, and that homeowners insurance isn't far behind?

Are you going to argue that a college education has not become a life-long burden for most future adults to pay off the rest of their lives?

Are you going to argue it's untrue that credit card interest rates are more than double what they were 20 years ago despite the fact that the FED interest rate is near zero?

Are you going to argue it's untrue that after outsourcing most of our manufacturing jobs overseas we have now manufactured most of our tech jobs overseas and the majority of jobs left for us to fight over are low paying service jobs?

Are you going to argue it's not true that nearly 80% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck in 2020?

If the answer to any of those questions is no. Then plug them into the graphs and use your goddamned brain for once instead of needing a fucking link to do your thinking for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIX, ask yourself WHY this is true.

"Boomers", as a group, aren't in charge. They aren't the ones who offshored manufacturing and who hollowed out the economy until nothing was left but McJobs. THEY aren't the ones who, by policy, substituted debt-based speculation for a real economy of production and consumption, savings and investment.

Do you think that things will get better when the oldsters die off and the next oligarchs come to power? Bezos? Zuckerberg? Do you really expect to see an improvement?

There is a saying Show me the incentive and I will show you the behavior

So, what incentives are at play that caused this to happen? And what incentives do you think should be embedded in society instead?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 11:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, ask yourself WHY this is true.

Simple. Collective Greed and Collective Stupidity.

Humans are great as individuals, but terrible as groups.

If it wasn't the Boomers, it would have been GenX.

Be that as it may, it was the Boomers who raided the economy without any thought as to what the future costs were. And here we are.

Sitting on the sidelines does not excuse your behavior. Especially when you reaped the rewards.

Quote:
So, what incentives are at play that caused this to happen?

Money. 'nuff said.

Quote:
And what incentives do you think should be embedded in society instead?

We could start by teaching kids how to save a dollar and balance a checkbook in school instead of cramming Algebra and Trigonometry that they're never going to use down their throats.

That might be a good start.

Maybe have some leadership that at least pretends like debt is something that we shouldn't be getting into and setting a good example?

But it really doesn't matter anymore. Too little, too late.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 11:53 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
SECOND:
Is there anything left that would bring liberals and conservatives together to demand some kind of sacrifice from the American public? And even if that happened, would the public respond? I’m starting to wonder.

CC: Sure, there definitely could be. But not with this orange sh*t head in office. He's a divider, scorched earth sales person who values winning and subservience (I was going to say loyalty, but he doesn't give a sh*t about that - only what it might bring him). He's has done more to divide this country than any other leader in the history of this planet could.

Hmmm...
Calling people "Russian trolls" is not being a divider?

Why did you do that? You KNOW I'm not a Russian troll. So why were you so inflamed that you went off the rails? Why were other people so inflamed that they went off the rails in the other direction?

Polarization has been happening for DECADES. TEA Party? Occupy?

Why is this happening?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 12:16 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
SIGNYM: SIX, ask yourself WHY this is true.

Simple. Collective Greed and Collective Stupidity.
Humans are great as individuals, but terrible as groups.

Where do people learn to be stupid? It's not like we're born stupid.

Quote:
SIX: If it wasn't the Boomers, it would have been GenX.
Be that as it may, it was the Boomers who raided the economy without any thought as to what the future costs were. And here we are.

I don't understand what you mean by "raided the economy". Can you please explain?

Quote:
SIX: Sitting on the sidelines does not excuse your behavior. Especially when you reaped the rewards.

I'm supposed to feel some collective guilt for doing something that I don't understand what you're posting about? Please let me know in detail what I've done.

Quote:
SIGNY: So, what incentives are at play that caused this to happen?

SIX: Money. 'nuff said.

SIGNY: And what incentives do you think should be embedded in society instead?

SIX: We could start by teaching kids how to save a dollar and balance a checkbook in school instead of cramming Algebra and Trigonometry that they're never going to use down their throats. That might be a good start.
Maybe have some leadership that at least pretends like debt is something that we shouldn't be getting into and setting a good example?
But it really doesn't matter anymore. Too little, too late.

Agreed. Debt at all levels... trade deficit, government deficit, financial debt, business debt, personal debt ... is truly a bane. But in order for somebody to borrow, there must be somebody lending. So, what's their incentive to lend?

In any case, it may be too little too late, but why should that stop us from understanding what's going on?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 12:28 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
To answer, I think one needs to delve into 'what are people's interests?' We are people before we're citizens.

But at the start I have to reject nearly all arguments based on 'human nature'. For just about every supposed rule about human nature, I can provide many exceptions. And studies of non-monetary cultures still in existence today show that there's no correlation between environment, technology, means of survival (hunting, fishing, gathering, ad hoc agriculture) and resources v social or economic organization, or the reason why cultures give to answer why they do what they do. Groups of people do what they do because that's what they tell themselves people do. (And people who don't do what they do are also defined as either not people, or not proper people - they're some lesser existence.)

That said, no peoples set their infants out to survive on their own - all peoples understand the need to care for the young. And the young are demanding of attention and interaction! or they grow up severely mentally stunted. No peoples live as isolated individuals (like bears or tigers). No peoples live without language. And no peoples live without at least rudimentary tools and technology.

But even things we assume are 'natural', like nursing mothers caring for their infants, aren't universal as they can be substituted with other mothers or animals that provide milk. Nuclear families are not the norm across peoples. Pair bonding is optional. Even the role for males is up for grabs. All that needs to happen is that males don't exist in fatal competition for resources with females and offspring. It's not how 'fit' the males are that determines species survival - sterility beats virility. But it's not even fertitliy that determines species survival. Those offspring need to survive long enough themselves to have offspring of their own that then survive ... in at least replacement numbers. If not, the species dwindles and dies. Offspring mortality beats fertility. (As a separate group, the Spartans ignored that and met their demise.)

Also, technology makes up for a lot of human frailties. Technology allows human survival at numbers greater than the immediate resource limits.

So for me, the questions are - what kind of technology do we want, and, how do we want to arrange ourselves to ensure survival? It's pretty much up for grabs, I think.

So in your opinion, technology is the defining feature of our society? But earlier you said it wasn't, that people behaved the way they behaved because of the stories they told themselves about how people are.

So I don't understand your point, I guess. Please elucidate!

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 12:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

JACK is basing his spiel off of phony numbers and a serious case of entitlement. He think that just because there are a lot of boomers who've worked 45+ years out of their lifespan that they shouldn't have those earnings. ... Or that he should be entitled to everything they've worked decades for RIGHT NOW!!!

What he can't admit is that average wage from 1975 (the approximate year the middle of the boomer generation entered the workforce) - adjusted for inflation - is nearly exactly on par with 2019 .
$10,000 1975 average annual wage, adjusted for inflation is $48,791.17 in 2019
$48,672 2019 average annual wage

Silent generation 1928-1945
Baby boomers 1946-1964
Gen X 1965-1979
Millennials 1980-1994

The Silent Generation was that group of people born during the Great Depression. The baby boomers were born during the US post-war boom. Gen X was that group born as US global dominance was beginning to be eroded by recovering and emerging nations around the globe. Millenials were born into voodoo economics (also called trickle down or peed-on economics).

These graphs are misleading though, because they're driven by NUMBERS of people in each generation as well as money. Obviously there's very few of the Silent Generation left, so as a group they have very little of the total wealth in the country. AS INDIVIDUALS though, they're far wealthier than any other generation.

Quote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2018/03/16/the-graying-of-wealth
/#76d3ec7c302d Faring the best were the 75+—an age bracket largely occupied by the Silent Generation (born 1925 to 1942). This group experienced a 32% increase in median household net worth and a 60% increase in mean net worth. Today, the net worth of a typical retiree is $264,750. This amount shrinks moving down the age ladder: The Silent hold roughly 1.3 times the amount of wealth as Boomers, more than twice that of Xers, and 23 times that of Millennials.
One reason why the Silent Generation fares so well in median comparisons is that its wealth is more evenly distributed than younger generations (i.e., its Gini coefficient is lower). One quick indicator of inequality is the ratio of mean to median. Among 75+ households, the ratio is 4.0. Among younger age brackets, it rises—to a peak of 6.2 and 5.8 among 55-64 and 45-54 households, respectively.

The Baby Boomers still have large numbers left. Subsequent generations are smaller in size because the birth rate has been below replacement.

On top of that, Baby Boomers have had a full lifetime of work, while later generations are decades behind.

A PER CAPITA YEARS-ADJUSTED accounting would be FAR more accurate.

Bonus graph.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 12:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So in your opinion, technology is the defining feature of our society?

Even so-called primitive societies have technologies that go beyond human fingernails, muscle, and teeth. For example they have fire, pouches or bowls, digging sticks, breaking and grinding stones, and shelter and/or clothes at the very least. So IF people manage their numbers, they can have a fairly secure and comfortable existence not always at the edge of whatever survival their bodies directly afford them at the moment, unlike animals. (Animals will survive only up to the limits of starvation, which is directly related to the immediately available food source they can naturally access.)

Quote:
But earlier you said it wasn't, that people behaved the way they behaved because of the stories they told themselves about how people are.

So I don't understand your point, I guess. Please elucidate!

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

I think it's this even minimal technology that divorces the shape of human society from its environment.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 1:22 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
JACK is basing his spiel off of phony numbers and a serious case of entitlement. He think that just because there are a lot of boomers who've worked 45+ years out of their lifespan that they shouldn't have those earnings. ... Or that he should be entitled to everything they've worked decades for RIGHT NOW!!!

What he can't admit is that average wage from 1975 (the approximate year the middle of the boomer generation entered the workforce) - adjusted for inflation - is nearly exactly on par with 2019 .

OTOH, I think that the generations past mine are facing diminished expectations. There are fewer jobs available, and the kinds of jobs available are worse than before. If you look at the chart of wealth growth, aside from the fact that boomers (of course) start at a higher level because they've been in the workforce longer, their RATE of growth is higher. (But if the chart isn't per capita then it's misleading.) It may not be anything the "boomers" have done, it may be larger economic trends at work.

But that's why I would like SIX to explain, in detail, what he thinks boomers have done to rob the next generation of wealth. His resentment isn't unique, it's pretty widespread

Hubby is an early boomer. I'm a late boomer. Between the two of us we have worked hard AND SAVED our entire lifetimes, and I feel perfectly justified with whatever we have managed to scratch together.

But maybe we're not typical boomers? I don't know. He posted about boomers using their homes as piggy banks, insurances and other "Ponzi schemes" that he think unjustly rewarded boomers, so I'd like to dig into this with him in detail.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 1:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just fyi, I looked at wage specifically, not income, because rich people's incomes are so high they jink the overall income averages, even though there are a crap-ton more of everyone else's numbers 'averaged' in.

Average wage is average wage. While there sure are a large number of shitty McJobs and gig work out there, there are some high-paying jobs that make the average what it is.

And hardly anybody enters the workforce at the average wage either then or now. Even as a blessed boomer, I didn't work fewer than 56 hours a week, and worked evenings, weekends and nights, until I was 33. That 'average' wage as I entered the workforce included of the silent generation with decades more seniority and far higher paychecks than me. I came in at the low end with the shitty hours. Very few boomers just stepped into their 'good' jobs at 'average' wage right as they entered into the workforce. It took years to get there.

Anyway, I hope you get some interesting feedback from JACK.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 8, 2020 5:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So SIX, I know you're busy but I left some questions that I hope you'll answer. Just a bump so they don't get buried.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, December 31, 2022 8:03 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Ok, so how about a re-start?
Maybe we could have a REAL discussion this time?
It's been pending since 2017.

Edited to add: SECOND, please note that Trump isn't President. Neither is Putin. Biden* is. And this isn't Russia, or Ukraine. Or the poor benighted nations to our south, or the mideast. It's the United States of America.

I don't intend to bag on Biden* (altho I could!) If you can't unfixate your mind from Putin or Trump, please don't bother posting bc that's not the topic of this thread.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 1, 2023 1:17 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AND NOW ... to America's interests.

Definitionally, I argue that "America's interests" are Americans' interests.

Not the interests of the vanishingly tiny but extremely powerful elite, and not the interest of some nation far-away, or of non-citizens within our borders, but the collective interests of the overwhelming majority of American citizens.

Now, we can look at this from the microscopic scale:

1) By looking at the interests of the various interest-groups that we have been so unfortunately divided into and seeing where they overlap and generalizing outward from there,

2) Or we can look at this from a theoretical viewpoint and narrow down to specifics.

I THINK THE FIRST APPROACH IS UNLIKELY TO BE SUCCESSFUL BY ITSELF. For example, if we start out with the idea that Black Lives Matter, and Women's Pay Matters, and Gay Marriage Matters, what we will wind up is with the truism that ... well, gosh, we should all be treated fairly and equally. Who could argue with that??? But we will STILL be fighting over the scarce resource of "jobs" (albeit more fairly!) and never get to the realization that maybe what we ALL need are better-paying, consequential jobs.

So I'm going to approach this from a theoretical POV, and start with WHAT DO HUMANS NEED? and work my way from there.

I hope you come along for the discussion, I've ended my trolling (which is really boring). Unless YOU start trolling again, in which case this will be a good discussion, spoiled.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 1, 2023 7:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, so how about a re-start?
Maybe we could have a REAL discussion this time?
It's been pending since 2017.

Edited to add: SECOND, please note that Trump isn't President. Neither is Putin. Biden* is. And this isn't Russia, or Ukraine. Or the poor benighted nations to our south, or the mideast. It's the United States of America.

I don't intend to bag on Biden* (altho I could!) If you can't unfixate your mind from Putin or Trump, please don't bother posting bc that's not the topic of this thread.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Instead of the usual list of problems, lets pick one problem: the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. The Democrats in Congress have gone about as far as they can go in solving that problem: $369 billion in Energy Security and Climate Change programs over the next 10 years. When $369 billion is divided by 334 million US citizens and divided by 10 years and divided by 12 months in a year, that is about $10 per month.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/inflation_reduction_act
_one_page_summary.pdf

Why can't the Democrats in Congress do more? Here are two reasons why they can't:

Reason 1: There was a time – a recent time – when concern about the environment was relatively bipartisan, not a cultural flashpoint.

A Republican, President Richard Nixon, established the Environmental Protection Agency in 1970. In the 1980s and 1990s, bipartisan majorities voted to strengthen the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, led by a Republican – Rhode Island’s Sen. John Chafee.

Those days are gone, and today a wide range of misleading statements and outright lies about the reality of human-caused climate change circulate widely.

The sheer volume of misinformation can distort perceptions of how many people don't believe the science that shows the Earth's climate is changing because of human activity, said Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist and professor at Texas Tech University.

"I call them 'zombie arguments' because you can explain that they're not true but they still go stumbling around because they're not about facts but excuses," she said.

More at https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/12/29/global-warming-m
yths-disinformation-and-lies-circulated-2022/10802959002/

Reason 2: Why would people need excuses (see the above article) for not fixing the climate change problem?
People say they take climate change seriously, but if you put an actual dollar figure on fixing the problem, even $10 per month is too much for 70% of the population. Democrats in Congress passed a law in 2022 to fight climate change and the cost will be about $10 per month. That is totally amazing! $1 per month is the only amount that a majority supports. To solve the actual problem would cost in the area of $200 per month, but that can't become a law against overwhelming opposition by 90% of Americans.

How Much Would It Cost To End Climate Change?
https://www.globalgiving.org/learn/cost-to-end-climate-change/

Annual look at the growth of CO2 in the atmosphere.
It still doesn't look like emissions are slowing down, does it?

https://jabberwocking.com/top-ten-charts-of-2022/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 1, 2023 8:34 AM

Nope.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 1, 2023 4:18 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

Fireflyfans.net is place of wildly divergent views. America is a divergent place. Congress is a divergent place. What happens at such places? Today's Dilbert comic covers that:

Boss of Dilbert: I have created an advisory council of people who have wildly divergent views.

Dilbert: Has an advisory council of people who have wildly divergent views every accomplished anything?

Boss: I asked them the same thing. Opinions were mixed.

Dilbert: How do they ever agree on anything?

Boss: They don’t need to agree. I still make all the decisions.

Dilbert: Oh. You mean you are using them as cover for doing whatever you want to do.

Boss: I was hoping it wasn’t obvious.

Dilbert: We can pretend it isn’t.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2023-01-01

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 1, 2023 5:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
Fireflyfans.net is place of wildly divergent views. America is a divergent place. Congress is a divergent place. What happens at such places? Today's Dilbert comic covers that:

Boss of Dilbert: I have created an advisory council of people who have wildly divergent views.

Dilbert: Has an advisory council of people who have wildly divergent views every accomplished anything?

Boss: I asked them the same thing. Opinions were mixed.

Dilbert: How do they ever agree on anything?

Boss: They don’t need to agree. I still make all the decisions.

Dilbert: Oh. You mean you are using them as cover for doing whatever you want to do.

Boss: I was hoping it wasn’t obvious.

Dilbert: We can pretend it isn’t.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2023-01-01

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Yeah.

Dilbert is talking about your ESG Overlords, stupid.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 1, 2023 10:18 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND once posted, in a fit of honesty, that he likes the USA being chaotic because in that environment "I can do whatever I please". i.e. pillage his fellow Americans.

That's why he's always trolling. All he's trying to do is pit people against each other.

And he's done a damn fine job, hasn't he, THUGR?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 3:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, so how about a re-start?
Maybe we could have a REAL discussion this time?
It's been pending since 2017.

Edited to add: SECOND, please note that Trump isn't President. Neither is Putin. Biden* is. And this isn't Russia, or Ukraine. Or the poor benighted nations to our south, or the mideast. It's the United States of America.

I don't intend to bag on Biden* (altho I could!) If you can't unfixate your mind from Putin or Trump, please don't bother posting bc that's not the topic of this thread.

SECOND: Instead of the usual list of problems, lets pick one problem: the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. The Democrats in Congress have gone about as far as they can go in solving that problem: $369 billion in Energy Security and Climate Change programs over the next 10 years. When $369 billion is divided by 334 million US citizens and divided by 10 years and divided by 12 months in a year, that is about $10 per month.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/inflation_reduction_act
_one_page_summary.pdf

Why can't the Democrats in Congress do more? Here are two reasons why they can't:

Reason 1: There was a time – a recent time – when concern about the environment was relatively bipartisan, not a cultural flashpoint.

There's concern about the environment, and concern about climate change. Two different things. You're conflating them on purpose

Quote:
SECOND: blah blah blah...

More at https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/12/29/global-warming-m
yths-disinformation-and-lies-circulated-2022/10802959002/

Quote:
SECOND: Reason 2: Why would people need excuses (see the above article) for not fixing the climate change problem?
People say they take climate change seriously, but if you put an actual dollar figure on fixing the problem, even $10 per month is too much for 70% of the population. Democrats in Congress passed a law in 2022 to fight climate change and the cost will be about $10 per month. That is totally amazing! $1 per month is the only amount that a majority supports. To solve the actual problem would cost in the area of $200 per month, but that can't become a law against overwhelming opposition by 90% of Americans.

How Much Would It Cost To End Climate Change?
https://www.globalgiving.org/learn/cost-to-end-climate-change/

Your chart makes no sense. Among other things,it totals up to far more than 100%.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 4:29 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, to get back to what I hope is a sincere discussion! ...

I posted about individual needs... Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

But we can't survive as a species in isolation... most of us couldn't survive as individuals in isolation either. We need society to survive (for, among other things, division of labor) and society (family, community, village, city, nation) have needs, too. So the discussion needs to include what SOCIETY needs to survive.

Most societies don't look like ours. Some of them make my blood boil, they seem so unfair. Some of them make me want to bang my head against a wall, they seem so backward.

But its members mostly agree on their place in society, speak the same language, share the same beliefs about the world and what's right and what's wrong, morals, and pass those on to the next generation. Some of those societies have survived for millenia. So it's not just survival that counts, but what we want it to look like.

There's one more aspect of societal survival, and it's the idea that societies compete and evolve, in a Darwinian sense. And that societies will be perfected over time as they bang against each other and the "fittest" will supersede the less fit. I think that's a misunderstanding of evolution, but that's as far as I want to think about it tonight.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 7:11 AM

What are America's interests?

If Congress votes for it, it's likely not in America's interest.

If Congress votes against it, it's probably in America's interest.

The only thing that got strong bipartisan support in my lifetime that passed in the Senate was ending Daylight Savings Time. But they went right ahead and didn't even bother voting on it in the House so Biden* could sign it into law.

Now it's a new year, and the Senate would have to vote to push it through again so the House could just sit on it another year and it never gets done.

That just about sums up how bad the situation is.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 12:52 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What are America's interests?

If Congress votes for it, it's likely not in America's interest.

If Congress votes against it, it's probably in America's interest.

The only thing that got strong bipartisan support in my lifetime that passed in the Senate was ending Daylight Savings Time. But they went right ahead and didn't even bother voting on it in the House so Biden* could sign it into law.

Now it's a new year, and the Senate would have to vote to push it through again so the House could just sit on it another year and it never gets done.

That just about sums up how bad the situation is.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

I agree. But I'd like more details on what,and why.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 1:09 PM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

FREE WI-FI FOR EVERYONE!!!

You nailed it Brenda.

T

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 1:11 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Anyway, just to get back to societal survival and evolution for a moment: Societies don't have to do much to survive. They don't need to be particularly fair, or advanced. All they have to do is produce a next generation and have strong internal agreement on how it should function, share a common language, pass that on to the next generation.

In the long run they need to be strong enough to resist external aggression or subversion, in equilibrium with available resources for long-term sustainability, and resilient enough to recover from natural disasters. Ideally, they should not carry within themselves the seeds of their own destruction, or have measures in place that allow course correction.

It's easy for societies to survive in the short run, not so easy in the long run.

Each society isn't like an individual competing against other individuals in a Darwinian sense. Each society is like a species: adapted to it's environment and with its own strategy for survival. Some are primary producers. Some are predators. Some are both. Some depend on breeding like rabbits to survive high death rates. Others take more care of individuals. Some are weakened by internal parasites.

But there is a broad framework for short term (200- year) survival

Anyways, that's as far as I can go on that direction so far.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 1:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

FREE WI-FI FOR EVERYONE!!!

THUGR: You nailed it Brenda.

. WISHIMAY and BRENDA are entirely separate posters. WISHIMAY lives in Indiana and BRENDA lives in British Columbia.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 1:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

FREE WI-FI FOR EVERYONE!!!

You nailed it Brenda.

T . WISHIMAY and BRENDA are entirely separate posters. WISHIMAY lives in Indiana and BRENDA lives in British Columbia.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Wow.

Do you think that Ted really didn't notice how different the both of them are?

It would explain a lot if he didn't.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 10:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, just to get to theory, looking at the question of "what are America's interests?" strating at the 50,000 ft level...

Given that there are a lot of societies possible that can survive, I have to start laying down parameters for us.

I ASSUME we want our nation to remain a democracy. I also assume we want our nation to be a free from eternal forces that we couldn't control.

So I define our society as the nation of the United States of America. I select this boundary because it is the largest boundary over which we have (theoretical) democratic input. We have no direct vote in any larger organizations like transnational banks, alliances, the United Nations, and trade agreements,

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 2, 2023 10:57 PM

Right now, I'm not worried about external threats to our country and our Democracy.

I'm worried about the enemy within.

Not only the powerful, mostly within the Democrat ranks and media, but the easily brainwashed half of the country that is giving them their power.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:25 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Right now, I'm not worried about external threats to our country and our Democracy.

I'm worried about the enemy within.

Not only the powerful, mostly within the Democrat ranks and media, but the easily brainwashed half of the country that is giving them their power.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

Well, yes, I agree with you.

But I'm grnding on this bc I don't want to miss assumptions.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:50 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So- SECOND, CAPN/ K(2)PO/ G, THUGR, and everyone else...

Can I assume that we want the ZUSA to be DONE form of democracy? Not have policies imposed on us by an external force or by a centralized technocracy/ bureaucracy?

Bc unless I read otherwise in some reasonable timeframe... say, a day... I'm going to assume that's what we want.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, January 3, 2023 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Right now, I'm not worried about external threats to our country and our Democracy.

I'm worried about the enemy within.

Not only the powerful, mostly within the Democrat ranks and media, but the easily brainwashed half of the country that is giving them their power.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
Well, yes, I agree with you.

But I'm grnding on this bc I don't want to miss assumptions.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

This is NUMBER ONE. Period.

It's not even worth discussing how we even start fixing the country until this gets dealt with because any forward progress would be immediately overwhelmed by the ceaseless backsliding we've been doing with Democrats in charge of things.

It'd be like trying to plug holes in a dam with your finger while everybody ignores the giant crack that's about to burst right down the center of it.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, January 11, 2023 12:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Right now, I'm not worried about external threats to our country and our Democracy.

I'm worried about the enemy within.

Not only the powerful, mostly within the Democrat ranks and media, but the easily brainwashed half of the country that is giving them their power.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
Well, yes, I agree with you.

But I'm grnding on this bc I don't want to miss assumptions.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

This is NUMBER ONE. Period.

It's not even worth discussing how we even start fixing the country until this gets dealt with because any forward progress would be immediately overwhelmed by the ceaseless backsliding we've been doing with Democrats in charge of things.

It'd be like trying to plug holes in a dam with your finger while everybody ignores the giant crack that's about to burst right down the center of it.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

If you think it's just "democrats" you're missing the point. Most Dems AND most Republicans have been corrupted by money. But they're just the public face of corruption. If you want to know who the real enemies are, follow the money, all the way across the globe. And the alphabet agencies.

What I've heard alluded to is that according to the Panama papers (Mossac Fonseca) Zelensky got a whole lot of money laundered thru shell corporations. And those papers were leaked many years ago. Everybody was looking for Hillary's name in there. Nobody thought to look into Ukraine. The corruption is deep, wide, and longstanding.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, January 11, 2023 12:36 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just to tie into a previous thread I created (How society is like an organism) I used to think each society was like an individual organism: it is born, it grows, feeds, shits, transports food and waste internally, maintains itself, and even colonizes other areas etc. It has specialized units (cells, individuals) that do different things: some produce energy, some turn resources into useful items, some transport food or waste, some carry information, some are cancerous and grow out of control and don't return anything to the whole. But if it doesn't respond appropriately to changes in its surroundings (the political, economic and physical environment) it dies.

In some ways, societies do function like an individual living thing. OTOH, societies evolve in ways that an individual being can't. A plant, for example, can't turn itself into an animal. A deer can't turn itself into a mouse.

So in some ways, a society is more like a species. And since each species has its own survial strategy ... rabbits breed like, er, rabbits... birds are temporarily pair-bonded... some are primary producers, some are herbivores, mesopredators, predators, parasites, symbiotes etc it's probably useful to pay attention to how species adapt or fail to adapt, how they survive in a complex web of other species etc.

For example, our (USA) environment has changed since WWII. At the end of that war, the USA was by default the sole industrial survivor. But by now, many other nations have re-developed. I wonder whether the neocons' goal is to revert the world back to post WWII status.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, January 11, 2023 1:55 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just to tie into a previous thread I created (How society is like an organism) I used to think each society was like an individual organism: it is born, it grows, feeds, shits, transports food and waste internally, maintains itself, and even colonizes other areas etc. It has specialized units (cells, individuals) that do different things: some produce energy, some turn resources into useful items, some transport food or waste, some carry information, some are cancerous and grow out of control and don't return anything to the whole. But if it doesn't respond appropriately to changes in its surroundings (the political, economic and physical environment) it dies.

It would be in America's interest to recycle its waste, but does it do it? A little. Here is an article on sewage, but mostly sewage gets buried in landfills and flows into the sea rather than being recycled because, you know, the dumbest way is the cheapest:

When you next go grocery shopping, check where your food comes from. Most hails from the bread baskets of our planet, often places with warmer weather. As that food grew, it extracted nutrients from the land. But, as we consume it, we don’t return these nutrients back to the earth that fed us. That’s a problem. When we grow our food in location A, but eat and excrete it in location B, we create what scientists call “the metabolic rift.” Even Karl Marx warned us about this problem. The prominent 19th century philosopher and economist, who most famously focused on critique of politics and political economy, also understood the issues of soil fertility, organic recycling, and sustainability.

Marx lamented that farmlands were depleted but didn’t pin down where consumed but undigested nutrients end up. Today, we know exactly what happens to them. As we eat, we take the nutrients, such as nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium, out of farmlands and deposit them, by way of wastewater effluent, someplace else—usually in a nearby body of water. Our industrial treatment systems separate the so-called biosolids out of the sewage stream, purify the water, and release it back to nature, but they rarely extract these essential nutrients in the process. Instead of fertilizing the fields then, the nutrients fertilize the waterways—and wreak havoc in them.

The nutrients overfertilize the water, causing what scientists call eutrophication or nitrogen overloading, which fuels toxic algae blooms, destroys coastal marshes, kills mangrove forests, and smothers corals. What happens with the remaining biosolids—a euphemism for the malodorous, pathogen-infested black muck—is equally ugly. Sometimes it’s burned, releasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and contributing to greenhouse gas emissions. Sometimes it’s dried and landfilled together with trash, where it rots, and, as with burning, similarly ramps up greenhouse gasses.

Meanwhile, although unsightly and smelly, biosolids are full of the same essential nutrients—nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium—on which plants thrive. They are also full of undigested organic matter, so when processed properly to kill pathogens, biosolids make for rich compost. Applying biosolids to land has a slew of agricultural benefits, as a recent study demonstrated when it was applied to barren and sandy soils. Doing so perpetuates circular agriculture: we take food from the earth and we replenish its nutrients with our metabolic output.

Why then do municipalities burn or landfill such assets? Part of it is expense; converting biosolids to fertilizer that’s safe to put on the fields is costly. It requires specialized equipment that many wastewater plants lack. But there are societal reasons, too. For about 200 years we had been conditioned to think of sewage as an ultimate waste, epitomizing disease and as such it must be destroyed through burning or stashed as far away from us as possible in landfill. Taxpayers are willing to pay for clean water, but not processing sewage, which they misperceive as the ultimate waste substance.

More at https://daily.jstor.org/waste-not-want-not/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 15, 2023 4:06 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

There are at least three million caregivers under age twenty-five in America. The burdens they face are unprecedented.

I met middle schoolers, teenagers, and young adults who took on caregiving responsibilities. There was Abby, the high school sophomore in Delray Beach who did the cooking, cleaning, and shopping, injected her mother’s insulin as well as bathed and dressed her, and took on shifts at a grocery store to help cover costs. . . .

Most American health insurance plans, including Medicare, offer almost nothing for nonmedical long-term care at home—a fact that stuns many family members thrust into caregiving roles after a catastrophic event. The price tag for a year of in-home assistance is around $52,000 out of pocket; a year in a nursing facility averages $101,500. The vast majority of American families thus take the burden to provide care on themselves. This includes routine expenses—prescriptions, wheelchairs, retrofitting a home to make it accessible, personal-care items like incontinence supplies—that amount to $7,200 annually on average, as well as what the AARP estimates is $470 billion in unpaid care every year.

Abroad, that financial pressure on caregivers is not as acute as it is in the U.S., in part due to government support, a bigger safety net for long-term care, and more flexible work policies. In the UK, caregivers, especially those who reduce work hours to care for family members, are eligible for an allowance to make up for lost income. They are also eligible for respite services—paid caregivers who allow family caregivers to have time away—funded by the National Health Service. Youth caregivers have their own bill of rights, including a right to continue their education. Other countries, such as the Netherlands, Germany, Finland, and Taiwan, have compulsory and, depending on the country, publicly funded long-term-care insurance that helps cover the cost of paid caregivers, including in the home, for both medical and nonmedical services—everything from cleaning to preparing meals and doing laundry. In Germany, full-time employees who take time off to care for a family member can borrow against future wages to reduce their work hours for up to two years while retaining their position and their income. Such programs and services make our system—with no guaranteed paid family leave, no financial support for caregivers who forgo wages, and few options for in-home care that isn’t paid for out of pocket—seem especially paltry.

More at https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a42287580/gen-z-caregivers/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:23 PM

That's alright. The Super Villains at the WEF are working on a cure for all of those problems.

They're going to kill at least half of us off in the next 7 years.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:35 PM

THG

What are America's interests?

POSTED BY: SIGNYM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's a question that I've asked over and over, that nobody has answered.

For the purposes of definition, "America" is the land inside the borders of the self-defined nation-state of the United States of America, and "Americans" are citizens of that nation.

That is because it is too simple a question to bother with, answer. How about, to live in a world where every country is a democracy Polish Russian Collaborator signym.

Hey, how's Putins' war with Ukraine working out for you?

T

The video shows a few of the many reasons America benefits when Ukraine wins.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, January 15, 2023 8:13 PM

Not interested in your war propaganda, Ted.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, January 16, 2023 1:15 AM

Property taxes going UP UP UP UP UP is about to be a thing.

Just looked into the reassessed value of my home and they're telling me it's worth twice what it was last year. The neighbors around me aren't quite as dramatic, but a rise in $50k to $75k seems to be the norm.

So on top of all the inflation that's wreaking havoc on at least 70% of the US Population under Joe Biden*'s reign, fully expect many people to be taxed out of their home and thrown out on the street when the tax bills come in.

More easy pickins for Blackrock and Vanguard. Especially when property values crash because of interest rate hikes (and the taxes don't go back down) and the amount of foreclosures there are going to be on the market.

--------------------------------------------------

Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, September 30, 2023 7:50 AM

U.S. warns of ‘unprecedented’ Serbian troop buildup on Kosovo border - US calls for immediate withdrawal of forces as British troops sent to reinforce Nato peacekeeping force

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/29/kosovo-serbian-troops-bu
ildup-us-uk

the Balkans...another disaster

The Croatian government offered condolences to Praljak's family and said the ICTY misrepresented its officials in the 1990s. Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic stated that Praljak's suicide illustrated the "deep moral injustice towards the six Croats from Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Croatian people".

Croat Chairman Dragan stated that Praljak had sacrificed his life to prove his innocence.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190916024739/https://www.latimes.com/wor
ld/la-fg-croatia-slobadan-praljak-20171129-story.html

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, September 30, 2023 9:11 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

For a moment, I thought somebody answered the question.

-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 4, 2023 9:46 AM

Body language expert breaks down 2nd Republican debate: What Haley’s chop and Vivek’s laugh say about them

https://nypost.com/2023/09/28/body-language-expert-breaks-down-2nd-rep
ublican-debate/

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 4, 2023 11:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Interesting post, but not an answer to the question.

It's funny, but SECOND and THUGR spend so much time posting about Russia, you'd think they lived there.

Hey SECOND, THUGR!

How about posting about American for a change.

What are our interests?

-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Sunday, December 24, 2023 2:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

"We now live in a nation where
doctors destroy health,
lawyers destroy justice,
universities destroy knowledge,
governments destroy freedom,
the press destroys information,
religion destroys morals, and
our banks destroy our economy."

- Chris Hedges

So, WHAT ARE AMERICA'S (AND AMERICANS') INTERESTS?
What is to our benefit, now and in the future?
What harms us?

*********

Merry Christmas everyone!

-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:25 PM

Saving the Panama Canal Will Take Years and Cost Billions, If It’s Even Possible
The vestiges of an ancient for

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/saving-panama-canal-years-cost-000011191.htm
l

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, January 13, 2024 8:10 AM

Freedom guy, Chilean American or a guy who got sucked into propaganda

Gonzalo Lira?

The tragic end of Gonzalo Lira: A voice silenced in Ukraine
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/24744-the-tragic-end-of-gonzalo
-lira-a-voice-silenced-in-ukraine.html

Trump Jr. condemns Zelensky for US journalist's murder
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274094061/trump-jr-condemns-zelens
ky-for-us-journalists-murder

The USA attacks the bad guys with terrorist drones to protect world shipping?

US launches fresh strikes against Houthi radar site in Yemen: Is Joe Biden's decision 'unconstitutional'?
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/us-launches-fresh-strikes-against-
houthi-radar-site-yemen-is-joe-biden-decision-unconstitutional-explained-11705148485204.html

Attack on Yemen exposes hypocrisy of Biden and Blinken's "rules-based order"
https://news.yahoo.com/news/attack-yemen-exposes-hypocrisy-biden-11000
5800.html

‘Unacceptable’: Biden denounced for bypassing Congress over Yemen strikes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/12/biden-congress-yemen-s
trikes-houthi

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Saturday, January 13, 2024 8:31 AM