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Ghosts

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Monday, October 1, 2018 11:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


In most years, following Talk Like A Pirate Day I usually forget to mention the best source of Ghost Stories, which is upcoming.

On Halloween Eve each year, the nighttime radio show Coast To Coast transforms to Ghost To Ghost, and is essentially nonstop Ghost Stories from callers to the show.
For sure, some are not very good, but I'm fair certain that the best ones I've heard in my life were during these shows.

If you get a chance to schedule some time, or a recording of it, I do recommend so.

Even after retiring from the show he created, Art Bell would return for a few years on this one night each year to host it. Now he has passed, but his old shows are still broadcast as "Somewhere in Time" on certain nights. For those not familiar, it can be difficult to fathom such quality broadcasting, largely from audience callers, never screened by anybody before Art transferred their blind call to the airwaves, and are rebroadcast 20-25 years later with little drop in relevance, other than some mentions of who was President, who was still alive, hearing of the Twin Towers in present tense.

It is a remarkable achievement.

But now you have a month of head's up before the event. I've never heard a year when it was a complete dud.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey thanks for the heads up!

I LOVE radio stories! I'm old enough to remember a time before TV, when we used to listen to Gunsmoke on the radio in the evening. But when The Shadow and The Whistler came on, it was time for bed, darn it.

News from Lake Woebegone and Guy Noir, Private Eye were my favorite parts of Prairie Home Companion, and I like The Moth and Flash Judgment.

Who knows that evil lurks in the hearts of men?
The Shadow knows!





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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I see that Ghost to Ghost will be broadcast from beautiful downtown Burbank from 10PM to 3AM on KFI ("KFI in the sky" news and traffic) 640.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 7:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see that Ghost to Ghost will be broadcast from beautiful downtown Burbank from 10PM to 3AM on KFI ("KFI in the sky" news and traffic) 640.

To cover all of the time zones, some of the hours repeat on some stations, so are not always in sequence. Check what the actual live times are, if you are interested.

And I'm fair certain they stream as well. IIRC it remains the most popular overnight show. They do have some stuff archived, not sure about the Ghost shows. You might find an older one, cuddle up with friends/family on the weekend before Halloween this year, and listen to it (or excerpt some of the best ones). There might be other services which store old copies, without permission.

It ha been many years since I heard it on AM.

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Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Bump for a couple weeks from now.

And no, I don't recall any of these stories having anything to do with politics, even though they are right before Elections.

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Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Bumpity.

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Friday, October 26, 2018 11:12 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Final weekend before All Hallows Eve.

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Friday, November 2, 2018 7:12 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see that Ghost to Ghost will be broadcast from beautiful downtown Burbank from 10PM to 3AM on KFI ("KFI in the sky" news and traffic) 640.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

Were you able to listen?

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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 5:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


bumpity for this year.

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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 6:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I don't believe in 'em, but hell, if there's a creepier photo ever taken than this, I've never seen it, and sure as hell don't ever want to.


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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 7:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I saw a youtube video about that photo.

According to the video, that's not a ghost. That's actually a dead body that they were unaware of that was "stored" in the attic and that photo was taken just as the ceiling had given out and the body fell down.



EDIT: But come to think of it, I don't see any ruble. You think there would be a lot of rubble.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I saw this photo years ago, and it just haunted me. I’ve seen a couple of debunk theories, but nothing really stands out to me as credible. I will agree that it is strange how the photo seems to be centered so that the ‘ghost’ figure is in full view, but even if it is fake… It’s still creepy as hell.

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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I've seen some interesting photos of ghosts or spirits. I think they were in books by Mary Winkowski (Model for Ghost Whisperer character) or James Van Praagh (producer of Ghost Whisperer).

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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 8:51 PM

BRENDA


I've seen ghosts. My dad years ago. The husband of a lady who is dead now herself. A friend. The afore mentioned lady at her old house.

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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 9:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Science ( Stephen Hawking ) said ghosts aren't possible, so ... no ghosts. Sorry.

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 2:29 AM

BRENDA


With all respect to Professor Hawking, I'm just saying that I've seen things. Not saying that I believe in them.

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'll bet that if Hawking did say that, he also said that there were other possible explanations for apparitions. Plus, the dude didn't know everything.

I've seen things I can't explain before. My grandpa also came to me in a dream to say goodbye to me when I was 5 years old the night he died.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Science ( Stephen Hawking ) said ghosts aren't possible, so ... no ghosts. Sorry.

Isn't Hawking a ghost now?


He was not the embodiment of science. Merely his opinion of science.
Science once explained that the Sun revolved around the Flat Earth.
Science does not have an explanation for everything?

Did Hawking also say that Deja Vu did not exist?
Remote Viewing?
Extra Sensory Perception?
Telekenisis?
All of the phenomena displayed in The Entity?
Out of Body Experiences?
Did he really deny all of the scientific studies and proofs of these?

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


We see stuff. Stuff that isn't always really there.


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Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Hey man. I give it 50/50 we're in a simulation right now.

Anything is possible.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 8:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
We see stuff. Stuff that isn't always really there.

Why do we stuff that is not there now, and will be there in the future, just like we saw? Double blind studies, proving precognition, but without our being aware of it.

Double blind studies showing things are seen, just not in the immediate proxity, but seen exactly as they are at that moment, just countries or continents away?

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You know, ghosts and the supernatural have really taken off as a WAY overrepresented genre in television. There must be close to a couple dozen shows by now. It reminds me of people bowing to Mecca when called to prayer by a recording over a loudspeaker, or country bumpkins talking about the devil over the phone. It seems no amount of the products of science and technology in their lives is enough to bring their thinking into the modern world.

Anyway, I'm a firm non-believer. And every time I see something on TV that's a cell-phone capture of a 'ghost' or a 'voice recording' or some such, my first question is - gee I wonder what that really is / how could it have been faked? And so on.

Anyway, to get to the picture ...

Yanno, people back then were just as complicated as they are now. I know when I see an old-timey photo, I tend to think of those people as static, one-dimensional avatars of historic stereotypes. But they got bored, too. And some people liked notoriety. And some people like to punk their neighbors and friends. There's no reason to think that the photo represents anything except a prank.



Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I don't believe in 'em, but hell, if there's a creepier photo ever taken than this, I've never seen it, and sure as hell don't ever want to.



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Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh, sure. I'm a skeptic on just about everything.

However, I have seen things that I can't explain, so I'm not going to tell somebody personally that they're full of shit for believing they've seen the same. I won't extend the same courtesy to any TV shows that have advertising on them though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 10, 2019 10:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I have never seen anything that wasn't part of the natural world around me. And while I've known people who hallucinated, they were definitely hallucinating.

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Friday, October 11, 2019 7:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I didn't take drugs when I was 8 years old. Not sure what I would have been hallucinating on.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 11, 2019 10:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Did you not get that I was posting about people I know personally, IRL, Jack? And that my observation didn't extend to you? That I in fact made no comment at all about you?

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Friday, October 11, 2019 4:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
We see stuff. Stuff that isn't always really there.

Why do we stuff that is not there now, and will be there in the future, just like we saw? Double blind studies, proving precognition, but without our being aware of it.

Double blind studies showing things are seen, just not in the immediate proxity, but seen exactly as they are at that moment, just countries or continents away?



Pretty sure those ' studies ' haven't been validated. Otherwise, they'd have claimed the James Randi prize of over a million dollars or so. Last I checked, no one has cashed in yet.



https://web.randi.org/home/jref-status


* Seems that since Mr. Randi has retired and the challenge hasn't had any serious takers, the $ set aside is being directed to uses of education. Still, I bet they'd still consider any dedicated offers.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, October 11, 2019 5:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
We see stuff. Stuff that isn't always really there.

Why do we stuff that is not there now, and will be there in the future, just like we saw? Double blind studies, proving precognition, but without our being aware of it.

Double blind studies showing things are seen, just not in the immediate proxity, but seen exactly as they are at that moment, just countries or continents away?

Pretty sure those ' studies ' haven't been validated. Otherwise, they'd have claimed the James Randi prize of over a million dollars or so. Last I checked, no one has cashed in yet.

https://web.randi.org/home/jref-status

* Seems that since Mr. Randi has retired and the challenge hasn't had any serious takers, the $ set aside is being directed to uses of education. Still, I bet they'd still consider any dedicated offers.

Seems this thread has drifted off topic from the OP.


I'm a bit disappointed that some folk I consider smart enough to know better insist upon keeping their heads firmly planted in the sand.

You prefer to have this scam artist do your verification process for you, so you won't be bothered with thought?

This scam artist Randi only ran his scam for 19 years before escaping. The rules for consideration with this scam are even removed, deleted, so they cannot be reviewed.

When Rosemary Smith used her mental powers to locate a downed Soviet Bomber across the ocean, the military was able to focus on the coordinates she gave and found it right where she said.
President Carter described what the process looked like when he explained how we found it.
I don't agree with everything Carter said, but I beleive him more than your scam artist.


My video-fu is not good.
Maybe somebody can find a video of a TV show from 1999.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/remote-viewing-up-close/
Here is a description of the show. When I saw it on Prime Time CBS I was amazed they were showing it and wondered how they were going to get away with it. Despite the amazing success and accuracy on display, they were able to label it a failure.
Can somebody find a video of that?
If so, explain that.


The DVD of the film Suspect Zero has a bonus feature, a demonstration for the director of the film, so he can understand how to portray it on film. Wathc the feature. Then explain it to us.


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Friday, October 11, 2019 6:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



James Randi is a debunker himself. He doesn't 'scam' anyone. OK, he did when he was a magician, and on occasion , to show how easy it is to scam others , but he'd always reveal the scam as a means of teaching everyone how NOT to be conned by folks who claim to bend spoons w/ their minds.

Or find downed Soviet planes.


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Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The source was a CIA article from 2001, with no follow-up success or verification; a lot like cold fusion.

If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, then scientists must have really small minds, because they keep looking for consistencies. And in this case, there don't seem to be any. Lots of things can happen once by sheer coincidence. So repeatability is key.

And I think if they could use it reliably and successfully, we wouldn't have gone with massive spying, data-capture on everyone, AI because a human mind can't make sense of it all, and so on. We'd just have remote readers sussing things out.

Anyway, I put this in my bin of 'needs evidence to be accepted'.

BTW, it's not that I haven't had my own experiences of having blinding knowledge of things I couldn't ordinarily know. But I put those to simply having my intuitive side (which takes a severe nearly 100% back seat to my logical/reductionist side) shouting at me in a way I finally couldn't ignore.

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Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Did you not get that I was posting about people I know personally, IRL, Jack? And that my observation didn't extend to you? That I in fact made no comment at all about you?



It didn't read that way. Thanks for clarifying.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm glad that cleared things up !! !!!

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 4:18 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


https://www.shift.is/plant-consciousness/

This doesn't seem to be the study I am looking for, but please explain the sentient plant.



The one I'm looking for is the plant that goes bonkers when a human enters the room who previously chopped the nearby plant with the meat cleaver he holds. Wjem the same person enters without the cleaver, same reaction from the plant. When a different person enters with the cleaver, same reaction. When any other person enters the room without the cleaver, no reaction.

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 4:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Can anybody access this one?

https://eteponge.blogspot.com/2010/04/


I can access that on my phone, but the computer I'm using today is wonky and won't allow me to view.

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 4:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 4:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The source was a CIA article from 2001, with no follow-up success or verification; a lot like cold fusion.

If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, then scientists must have really small minds, because they keep looking for consistencies. And in this case, there don't seem to be any. Lots of things can happen once by sheer coincidence. So repeatability is key.

And I think if they could use it reliably and successfully, we wouldn't have gone with massive spying, data-capture on everyone, AI because a human mind can't make sense of it all, and so on. We'd just have remote readers sussing things out.

Anyway, I put this in my bin of 'needs evidence to be accepted'.

BTW, it's not that I haven't had my own experiences of having blinding knowledge of things I couldn't ordinarily know. But I put those to simply having my intuitive side (which takes a severe nearly 100% back seat to my logical/reductionist side) shouting at me in a way I finally couldn't ignore.

Out of an entire continent, specifying a coordinate set for a specific object. Coincidence.
Verifying data or information with satellites or spying is a side matter, and does not invalidate the fact that a specific set of coordinates was obtained accurately and correctly in short order.

You don't consider President Carter to be an adequate source of validation?



And view the demonstration with the Suspect Zero DVD. Explain it. The "repeatability" was so certain that it was scheduled as a demonstration. You tellme if it worked, or if there was any doubt. The director seems to get what he needed - even though I believe he stated he was not a believer.

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 5:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I've read too many debunking efforts to think that stories - even published stories - are accurate.

I remember one, supposedly a near death experience where the guy almost died in a hospital room and supposedly found himself floating out of the window, where he saw a pair of sneakers on a ledge, and accurately described them.

Except that there never were any sneakers on the ledge that anyone attested to. No sneakers removed by maintenance, no sneakers noticed by any hospital staff, or visitors ... and so on. It was quite a lengthy, thorough debunking.

If there's something I want to post, I usually research it a bit, and I always look for solid evidence.

Anyway, I briefly tried to vet your sources. Most links to 'source' went to a blank page or 404 error. A few went to 'The Intelligencer' which is NOT a government publication of its results. And so on.

I didn't find any links to original government data or papers for any specific incidents. So, yanno, I'll consider it if you can find original sources. But I'm not going to spend more time than I have, trying to find original information.

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 7:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Can anybody access this one?

https://eteponge.blogspot.com/2010/04/


I can access that on my phone, but the computer I'm using today is wonky and won't allow me to view.



Works for me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, October 13, 2019 7:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Like I said, I'm a skeptic by nature.

All I know is that I've seen stuff that I can't explain. One of the instances that happened I started just believing that I had dreamed it as I grew up and never saw anything else remotely similar until the next door neighbor of the cottage we used to have where it happened saw something that made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck when he told the story years later.

I've talked about it here before, likely in the garden and rain thread.



I think a majority of what you see on TV is bunk. I still believe that there is a whole lot of stuff out there that happens that we as a species just can't explain, at least not now. Maybe one day they can all be explained away with science. Until then, sure... I believe that "ghosts" are real.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 14, 2019 4:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I've read too many debunking efforts to think that stories - even published stories - are accurate.

I remember one, supposedly a near death experience where the guy almost died in a hospital room and supposedly found himself floating out of the window, where he saw a pair of sneakers on a ledge, and accurately described them.

Except that there never were any sneakers on the ledge that anyone attested to. No sneakers removed by maintenance, no sneakers noticed by any hospital staff, or visitors ... and so on. It was quite a lengthy, thorough debunking.

If there's something I want to post, I usually research it a bit, and I always look for solid evidence.

Anyway, I briefly tried to vet your sources. Most links to 'source' went to a blank page or 404 error. A few went to 'The Intelligencer' which is NOT a government publication of its results. And so on.

I didn't find any links to original government data or papers for any specific incidents. So, yanno, I'll consider it if you can find original sources. But I'm not going to spend more time than I have, trying to find original information.

I have not been talking about hallucinations.

With my limited computer access now, I am having diffuculty chasing down all of the references I want. With some of this old material, and being material that TPTB don't want exposed, I am also ending up with a lot of 404 pages and other errors. I am trying to provide some clues to the way for those who are intellectually curious.
You have not specified here any particular reference or anecdote or news item that you are having difficulty with.

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Monday, October 14, 2019 4:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Can anybody access this one?

https://eteponge.blogspot.com/2010/04/


I can access that on my phone, but the computer I'm using today is wonky and won't allow me to view.

Works for me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

OK. Can you explain the parts about Rosemary Smith and Jimmy Carter?
There are other parts of it I would ask you to explain, but I cannot recall which parts of that were pertinent.

Could you please copy the paragraphs on Rosemary and paste them here?

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Monday, October 14, 2019 4:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


JSF

I'm not sure if you're having generalized inet access issues, or just here. But anyway - I'm not going to vet your sources for you. I looked enough to decide for myself there is no 'there' there. So - checking out your sources to make your point - dood - it's on you!

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Monday, October 14, 2019 5:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack

I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.

But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.

I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.

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Thursday, October 17, 2019 4:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack

I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.

But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.

I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.

So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?

But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?

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Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack

I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.

But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.

I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?

But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?

I think people can have the mental impression of those things, but they haven't been tested out irl to figure if they're verifiable fact or just a brain fart.

Did you ever have the dream that you're falling, and you reach out to try and catch yourself, and you jerk and it wakes you up? It turns out the brain simply misremembers the sequence of events. What happens is you jerk in your sleep as you transition back to a deeper sleep state, and your brain confabulates a 'reason' in a dream, which it then stores in memory as before-the-fact. So brains is tricky things.

Anyway - deja vu (before seen) is a very common experience, and it consists of a FEELING that you've experienced something earlier; I've never seen someone use information from that felt experience to know something not in current experience. There's a similar but opposite experience called jamais vu (never seen) where something familiar looks completely strange. I've felt both of them at one time or another, but they were just feelings, unrelated to anything irl.

When it comes to hearing things that aren't there (especially voices or conversations, I'm presuming), some people have a lot more connections between their auditory processing centers and various parts of their brain. These non-schizophrenic people hear voices. I personally don't hear voices, but I do confabulate music in pink noise (I also dream original music at times); and experience some synesthesia between sounds and sights.

Out of body experiences can be recreated by activating part of the brain - I forget which part, I'd have to look it up. So can the feeling that someone is standing behind or beside you, watching you. I've never had that though I know someone who did. But It was in the context of deep, relaxed concentration before going to sleep, so it may have been a dream.

The 4th human color is caused by women having an extra DNA code for a color receptor most people don't have (on the X chromosome). As far as I know, except for looking at genetics, there's no visual test for it since the rgb codes used don't carry enough signal to create those differences, to be able to test who might or might not see them.

Anyway, a lot of weird experiences have physical explanations.

Did I address what you're interested in?

But indeed, I also know 3 separate people who hallucinated, for different reasons.


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Friday, October 18, 2019 4:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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Remote viewing is bunk. So is bending spoons via one's mind. Or telekinesis. Makes for great sci-fi, but as a skeptic, I take the ' show me ' view first, before believing anything.

Alien visitation is far more likely than ghosts, RV, or some such stuff. And I've made my views known on the chances of the former.


Look, if ghosts are real, and we've heard reports of 1800's era soldiers and their horses both appearing in ghost form, why not more animals ? This has been a long standing problem I've had w/ the ' ghost ' issue. Humans make up a tiny fraction of life that's ever appeared on Earth. 100's of millions of years of life , we should be seeing all manner of ghosts, right ? Well, finally this idea gets put on screen, with the Netflix episode of ' Love + Death + Robots ' .


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Friday, October 18, 2019 5:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Remote viewing is bunk. So is bending spoons via one's mind. Or telekinesis. Makes for great sci-fi, but as a skeptic, I take the ' show me ' view first, before believing anything.

Have you seen the demonstration video on the DVD for Suspect Zero, as I suggested? Rent or borrow the DVD and check it.
Please explain what is shown, if you choose.
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Alien visitation is far more likely than ghosts, RV, or some such stuff. And I've made my views known on the chances of the former.


Look, if ghosts are real, and we've heard reports of 1800's era soldiers and their horses both appearing in ghost form, why not more animals ? This has been a long standing problem I've had w/ the ' ghost ' issue. Humans make up a tiny fraction of life that's ever appeared on Earth. 100's of millions of years of life , we should be seeing all manner of ghosts, right ? Well, finally this idea gets put on screen, with the Netflix episode of ' Love + Death + Robots ' .

Prior to humans, how many species do you think were sentient beings?
Regardless of how long ago marine animals were around, f they lived in the oceans, would their ghosts be likely to hang out on land? They knew very little of land, unless they beached themselves to die.

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Friday, October 18, 2019 5:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Jack

I'm absolutely 100% certain there's stuff 'out there' we don't understand. We can't even unscramble the physics of photosynthesis or the entropy of life! I'd say on a fundamental level, we understand close to zero about our universe.

But in a macro, sensory-limited, brain-heuristics way, I personally haven't had any unexplainable events, nor, as far as I can tell, have the people I personally know irl.

I'm OK with people telling me online they've had them, like you. I just have no way of verifying it. So I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying I'm not putting it into my 'fact' bin, fwiw.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, do you believe that some people experience Deva Ju?
Precognition?
Seeing or hearing ghosts?
Seeing or hearing spirits?
Being aware of when their loved ones die?
Twin telepathy?
Out of Body Experience?
Able to see the 4th human color (a frequency of yellow similar to what bees see)?
Able to draw or describe what they intuit or hunch but cannot see?

But you have not experienced any of these?
Do you believe that those who do are merely hallucinating?

I think people can have the mental impression of those things, but they haven't been tested out irl to figure if they're verifiable fact or just a brain fart.

Did you ever have the dream that you're falling, and you reach out to try and catch yourself, and you jerk and it wakes you up? It turns out the brain simply misremembers the sequence of events. What happens is you jerk in your sleep as you transition back to a deeper sleep state, and your brain confabulates a 'reason' in a dream, which it then stores in memory as before-the-fact. So brains is tricky things.

Anyway - deja vu (before seen) is a very common experience, and it consists of a FEELING that you've experienced something earlier; I've never seen someone use information from that felt experience to know something not in current experience.

While I was a minor I often had Deja Vu. Some repeated enough times that I would try to count the repeated episodes. Several got to 5, so I figured the last time was real life, although all of the prior times had the same exact sensation, not like a dream. I have never heard any skeptic rationalization that fit my experiences.
One sequence that repeated the most (that I recall) occurred 14 times, or the real one was after 13 prior. When it occurred, it was a once in a lifetime event. Only one specific year could it have occurred, only one specific day of that one year could it have occurred. As I recall, the prior 13 times I was not aware of the time exclusivity of the sequence - I only experienced it and recall prior Deja Vus of it, but did not really understand what it was. Everybody was wearing the same clothes - and part of the clues required that I was concentrating on their clothes, the speaking was the same - these people spoke the same words in the same exchange of conversation each time - and sound effects were the same, rattling of china and silver in the exact same sequence each time.
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There's a similar but opposite experience called jamais vu (never seen) where something familiar looks completely strange. I've felt both of them at one time or another, but they were just feelings, unrelated to anything irl.

When it comes to hearing things that aren't there (especially voices or conversations, I'm presuming), some people have a lot more connections between their auditory processing centers and various parts of their brain. These non-schizophrenic people hear voices. I personally don't hear voices, but I do confabulate music in pink noise (I also dream original music at times); and experience some synesthesia between sounds and sights.

I meant things not visible, things the subject (or you) cannot know are there. I saw this on some TV show. A trainer had a class full of Law Enforcement Detectives, and they were all non-believers. You may prefer the term skeptics, but they were well beyond skeptic - they did not believe. About 20 of them, none sitting next to the other. The trainer passed around a manilla envelope, opaque, with a photo inside. Nobody was allowed to open the envelope, but merely hold it in their hands and concentrate on what was inside the envelope. They they were to draw what came to mind. About 1/4 of them drew and oval, like an egg on it's side - these all looked remarkably similar. how would you explain that? About 1/4 of them drew what seemed like trees, fir/evergreen/pine tyre trees. Some of these had a gap in the middle, between stands of trees. About 1/4 of them drew a house type structure, with windows and doors and steps. These were fairly similar - how would you explain that? Some of them incorporated more than one of these 3 features in their drawings. How would you explain that, not even knowing what the actual photo was?
The phot was removed and revealed. It had a Pagoda style house in the center, with the multi-layered roof eves looking like tree limbs, and had trees on both sides of it, and had a pond in front of it, looking like an oval in perspective.
All of the drawings looked like at least pert of the photo, with spacing equal to that in the photo.
How would you explain that?
It was not secret TV, so it may be available for viewing somewhere, maybe it was PBS.
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Out of body experiences can be recreated by activating part of the brain - I forget which part, I'd have to look it up. So can the feeling that someone is standing behind or beside you, watching you. I've never had that though I know someone who did. But It was in the context of deep, relaxed concentration before going to sleep, so it may have been a dream.

The 4th human color is caused by women having an extra DNA code for a color receptor most people don't have (on the X chromosome). As far as I know, except for looking at genetics, there's no visual test for it since the rgb codes used don't carry enough signal to create those differences, to be able to test who might or might not see them.

The first person to be confirmed with this trait was found via colored billboard. For all of us, it was a solid red billboard. The specific color frequency was painted on as a message to call an 800 number to collect something like $100,000. The lady drove by it regularly and thought it was a scam - her always passenger son was blind. After years, the experiment was considered a failure, and the billboard charge was discontinued. Just before the bilboard message was to be replaced, the lady had another lady as passenger, and this lady commented what was the purpose of that solid red billboard.
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Anyway, a lot of weird experiences have physical explanations.

Did I address what you're interested in?

You have confirmed what I suspected. But this leaves me disappointed in you on this topic.

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