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How to betray democracy (Brexit)

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You can be forgiven if you haven't followed the Brexit drama. It's been a series of miscalculations, reversals, and underhanded dealings in the EU and British Parliament but is best summed up this way:

Two years ago, people voted to leave the EU.
Altho MPs want to remain (because they are cosily nestled in the armpit of the EU) NOBODY wants to be tagged with scuttling the Brexit vote because their constituents are for Brexit
Prime Minister Theresa May and Chancellor Angela Merkel crafted a "Brexit"that is worse than the current legal situation, a "Brexit" which removes even the possibility of Brexit pretty much forever
EU has voted to extend the Brexit negotiations, but not beyond the point where British members can stand for EU Parliamentary elections, since including the EU will introduce considerable "Euroskeptic" members into the EU Parliament. God forbed tha eU Paarliament reflects the will of the people!
The EU's MO is ... "If we don't like the vote we'll keep holding one until we get the results we like"
British "back benchers" appear willing to vote for May's awful plan and hang the mess on her neck ... before they toss her from office, making her the official scapegoat.


Thus, with "diluted responsibility", the mandate of the Brexit referendum is thwarted, and the borg ... er, I mean "integrtionists" ... survives

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:21 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I still hold out hope for them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:23 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You can be forgiven if you haven't followed the Brexit drama. It's been a series of miscalculations, reversals, and underhanded dealings in the EU and British Parliament but is best summed up this way:

Two years ago, people voted to leave the EU.
Altho MPs want to remain (because they are cosily nestled in the armpit of the EU) NOBODY wants to be tagged with scuttling the Brexit vote because their constituents are for Brexit
Prime Minister Theresa May and Chancellor Angela Merkel crafted a "Brexit"that is worse than the current legal situation, a "Brexit" which removes even the possibility of Brexit pretty much forever
EU has voted to extend the Brexit negotiations, but not beyond the point where British members can stand for EU Parliamentary elections, since including the EU will introduce considerable "Euroskeptic" members into the EU Parliament. God forbed tha eU Paarliament reflects the will of the people!
The EU's MO is ... "If we don't like the vote we'll keep holding one until we get the results we like"
British "back benchers" appear willing to vote for May's awful plan and hang the mess on her neck ... before they toss her from office, making her the official scapegoat.

Thus, with "diluted responsibility", the mandate of the Brexit referendum is thwarted, and the borg ... er, I mean "integrtionists" ... survives





They should vote again. The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement. Now, there's been 2 years of learning and understanding that they will never get unstuck from the EU, not without great damage. Better to make the most of the situation they had than scuttle it all and start with an even greater mess. Sometimes there are great sounding ideas that just don't work.

Highly recommend Prime Minister's Hour on cspan for more details.

And throwing May into the Thames won't solve much. This stuff is written into law. Whoever replaces her will take on the same problem.

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:35 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement.

Are you saying the EU isn't a voluntary organization, and that countries are vassal states?

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Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement.

Are you saying the EU isn't a voluntary organization, and that countries are vassal states?

Maybe he meant that sometimes there are great sounding ideas, that just don't work. Like the European Union, New World Order.

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Monday, March 25, 2019 8:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


It is NOT "impossible", particularly since Britain kept its own currency. The thing that made it difficult was the concession that May volunteered before negotiations with the EU even began, and that was to keep an open border between Ireland (not part of Brexit) and Northern Ireland (part of Brexit).

May is a "Remainer" and she worked out a deal with Merkel; May's "negotiations" were half-hearted at best.

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Monday, March 25, 2019 8:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

May Offers Brexiteers A Deal: 'Back The Withdrawal Agreement, And I Will Resign'


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Tuesday, March 26, 2019 10:59 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


29th looms and nobody leaving?

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Friday, March 29, 2019 2:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Many ministers have resigned, Parliament took "indicative" (non-binding) votes on the six (or seven) options on the table and none achieved a majority, Theresa May tabled (for a third time) HER deal (which was Merkel's deal) was just voted down (again) today ... this time by 58 votes... altho the EU offered a very short extension (April 12 if Theresa's deal was voted down, May 22 if Theresa's deal was approved) ... given the chaos in Parliament I can't imagine that any options will bubble up before April 12. It looks more and more like Britain will "crash out" of the EU. Stay tuned ...

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Friday, March 29, 2019 3:06 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Many ministers have resigned, Parliament took "indicative" (non-binding) votes on the six (or seven) options on the table and none achieved a majority, Theresa May tabled (for a third time) HER deal (which was Merkel's deal) was just voted down (again) today ... this time by 58 votes... altho the EU offered a very short extension (April 12 if Theresa's deal was voted down, May 22 if Theresa's deal was approved) ... given the chaos in Parliament I can't imagine that any options will bubble up before April 12. It looks more and more like Britain will "crash out" of the EU. Stay tuned ...




I used to be amazed at her resolve. Being overwhelmingly disliked you'd think she'd just say, "fug it, I'm out." But she soldiered on. Now though, with her being beaten so many times and even historically, I think she's just being stubborn, vain and even dense. Her last hope at any chance to be remembered well is to resign, BUT first, to call for another public vote and publicly declare "I was wrong - we know so much more now... and the way forward is pretty clear..." Pretty clear too, that most of Parliament and a majority of the citizens of the UK are against her and against leaving. "How YOU just leave!"


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Friday, March 29, 2019 8:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
-means-for-the-internet.html


I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:13 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
-means-for-the-internet.html


I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.




Yes, I'm pro banning/censoring pedophiles from posting in young people's forums as they look to pick up children, and you're not - I guess we just disagree. Takes a lot of courage to stand up for the free speech rights of pedophiles, more than I have!

Article 15 is great - Google poaches content from others without paying a dime and in return they profit. That's bs.

17 - I can't even imagine how anyone could pull off filtering for stolen/unlicensed copyright material as it's being uploaded, so that's in the "too soon to tell" bucket.

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Saturday, March 30, 2019 1:45 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Whether May stays or goes, whether Britain proposes a new treaty or not, and ready or not, the EU says it will be done with Britain by April 12.

Another referendum is not possible in that timeline.

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Sunday, March 31, 2019 12:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


A few interesting events:

The most "remain" if the Tories, Dominic Grieve, was "deselected" by his constituents a few days ago, which mean he and his vote have been removed from Parliament by a petition signed by 38,000 of his constituents. For all of those MPs who're thinking about voting "remain" (basically voting for Theresa May's plan) against the wishes of their constituents ... which is a helluvalot of MPs ... Grieve's head on a pike also serves as a timely warning about what might happen to them, if they should fail to follow their constituent's wishes.

The German FM called Bexit a "shitshow" which is a big change in attitude. German business and banking want Britain to remain (Britain is Germany's largest export market for cars) but the EU as a whole is taking a very hard line on Brexit, unwilling to offer concessions to Britain (so far). I think that maybe this was a bit of a game of "chicken" and the EU leaders never thought Britain might actually crash out of the EU. I wonder if the EU Council will throw Theresa May a last minute lifeline. Somehow, I don't think so.

Some say Brexit is being driven by the EU's immigration policies; Brits would be happy to remain in the customs union if they didn't have to accept so many Easttern European immigrants.

Some also say that Theresa May will put her (Merkel's) plan up for a fourth vote, hoping that with a "no deal Brexit" staring them in the face, MP's will come around. (But then, they have the Grieve example staring at them)


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Sunday, March 31, 2019 12:31 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
-means-for-the-internet.html


I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.




Yes, I'm pro banning/censoring pedophiles from posting in young people's forums as they look to pick up children, and you're not - I guess we just disagree. Takes a lot of courage to stand up for the free speech rights of pedophiles, more than I have!

Article 15 is great - Google poaches content from others without paying a dime and in return they profit. That's bs.

17 - I can't even imagine how anyone could pull off filtering for stolen/unlicensed copyright material as it's being uploaded, so that's in the "too soon to tell" bucket.



Did Jack find another way to support pedophiles? What a perv...

T



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Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
-means-for-the-internet.html


I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.




Yes, I'm pro banning/censoring pedophiles from posting in young people's forums as they look to pick up children, and you're not - I guess we just disagree. Takes a lot of courage to stand up for the free speech rights of pedophiles, more than I have!

Article 15 is great - Google poaches content from others without paying a dime and in return they profit. That's bs.

17 - I can't even imagine how anyone could pull off filtering for stolen/unlicensed copyright material as it's being uploaded, so that's in the "too soon to tell" bucket.



Did Jack find another way to support pedophiles? What a perv...

T





Nah. Capt'n is just salty I kicked his ass in an argument again. He's taking a false equivalency he tried using against me regarding censorship (which he brought up pedophilia twice in the debate, BTW) and posting his shit about it all over the forum.

By my count, that's the 5th unsolicited time he's brought up pedophilia in the RWED in as many days.

I'd suggest somebody investigate him if it wasn't already known that he's just an idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 31, 2019 4:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A few interesting events:

The most "remain" if the Tories, Dominic Grieve, was "deselected" by his constituents a few days ago, which mean he and his vote have been removed from Parliament by a petition signed by 38,000 of his constituents. For all of those MPs who're thinking about voting "remain" (basically voting for Theresa May's plan) against the wishes of their constituents ... which is a helluvalot of MPs ... Grieve's head on a pike also serves as a timely warning about what might happen to them, if they should fail to follow their constituent's wishes.

The German FM called Bexit a "shitshow" which is a big change in attitude. German business and banking want Britain to remain (Britain is Germany's largest export market for cars) but the EU as a whole is taking a very hard line on Brexit, unwilling to offer concessions to Britain (so far). I think that maybe this was a bit of a game of "chicken" and the EU leaders never thought Britain might actually crash out of the EU. I wonder if the EU Council will throw Theresa May a last minute lifeline. Somehow, I don't think so.

Some say Brexit is being driven by the EU's immigration policies; Brits would be happy to remain in the customs union if they didn't have to accept so many Easttern European immigrants.

Some also say that Theresa May will put her (Merkel's) plan up for a fourth vote, hoping that with a "no deal Brexit" staring them in the face, MP's will come around. (But then, they have the Grieve example staring at them.

Brits just don't have their fair share of Terrorism yet, they need to stay in the EU until they do.

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Sunday, April 14, 2019 4:36 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The EU blinked and agreed to a six-month extension of negotiations. This follows the EU pattern of "If you don't like the results of the vote keep on holding votes until you get the result that you like"

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 5:45 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


One of the threads wandered into 'Ukrainian vote' territory. I'll be dipped if I can find it.

Speaking of votes - in the Ukraine the comedian won a landslide vote over the incumbent US's hand-picked leader. With any luck, that means a change from US-maideservant policy (aided and abetted by Ukrainian Nazis) to one more reflective of the welfare of Ukrainian people.



WaPo
Comedian is elected president of Ukraine, exit poll shows
Volodymyr Zelensky, who plays the country’s president in a television show, has secured an apparent landslide win over incumbent Petro Poroshenko.

By Anton Troianovski3 hours ago

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


The thought of Martin Sheen elected as President almost made me vomit.

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The people have voted and it's time to honour the vote.

Claims of ' they didn't know what they were doing ' are bogus. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing and what they wanted.

The Remainers and the EU bureaucrats are purposefully making this as hard as possible, as punishment, in hopes of swaying public opinion and getting a redux.

Keep voting until you get the desired outcome, claim victory, then slam the door so no possible opportunities in the future can be made to revisit the issue.

MEGA

Make England Great Again !






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Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Labor constituents have been majority-remain, but the Conservative constituency has been without a doubt pro-Brexit. It's the Conservative (Tory) party, which - under Theresa May- has stabbed their own constituents in the back.

But that's OK, their constituents are stabbing them back.

Nigel Farage, the MP who initially started the whole Brexit push under his party UKIP, has come back to the political scene and created the Brexit Party which ... I kid you not ... has gone from 0% polling to 25% in a matter of weeks, while the Tory party has dropped from 29% to 15%. So, if you can imagine, the Brexit Party is now outpolling both Conservatives and Labor.

These elections are for the EU Parliament, and the Brexit Party is standing up representatives from every locality except N Ireland. The English members of the European Parliament (EMP) stand to create a revolt from the inside, along with other Euroskeptics from Hungary, Italy, and France.

The Brexit Party is also preparing for general elections in October. Some people are predicting that Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister within a year.

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Markus Meechan and Carl Benjamin (aka Count Dankula and Sargon of Akkad) are both members of UKIP now.

So much for the popular theory around here that youtubers are a waste of time.

They just may be our future politicians.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Labor constituents have been majority-remain, but the Conservative constituency has been without a doubt pro-Brexit. It's the Conservative (Tory) party, which - under Theresa May- has stabbed their own constituents in the back.

But that's OK, their constituents are stabbing them back.

Nigel Farage, the MP who initially started the whole Brexit push under his party UKIP, has come back to the political scene and created the Brexit Party which ... I kid you not ... has gone from 0% polling to 25% in a matter of weeks, while the Tory party has dropped from 29% to 15%. So, if you can imagine, the Brexit Party is now outpolling both Conservatives and Labor.

These elections are for the EU Parliament, and the Brexit Party is standing up representatives from every locality except N Ireland. The English members of the European Parliament (EMP) stand to create a revolt from the inside, along with other Euroskeptics from Hungary, Italy, and France.

The Brexit Party is also preparing for general elections in October. Some people are predicting that Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister within a year.

Awesome post. Great info. Straight on topic.

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Monday, April 22, 2019 5:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Markus Meechan and Carl Benjamin (aka Count Dankula and Sargon of Akkad) are both members of UKIP now.

So much for the popular theory around here that youtubers are a waste of time.

They just may be our future politicians.



Do Right, Be Right. :)



I've donated to UKIP, and I'm not even a Brit.

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Monday, April 22, 2019 11:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


well, the wunderkind Nigel actually quit UKIP after the (successful) Brxit referendum because he elt it was going too far right wing. You might have heard of Tommy Robinson; while he' been barred from official membership in UKIP he is their advisor.

Since Farage saw what was happening to Brexit he decided to re-enter politics with a new party - the Brexit Party - whihc is not only taking votes from the Conservatives and Labor, it's taking votes from UKIP.

Farage is an exremely adroit politician. He knows how to craft a message with broad appeal, which is why he's stealing votes from UKIP ... once people see that a party (in this case, the Brexit Party) has a credible chance of winning, they'll toss their votes to the possible winner instead of being just a "protest vote".

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Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
well, the wunderkind Nigel actually quit UKIP after the (successful) Brxit referendum because he elt it was going too far right wing. You might have heard of Tommy Robinson; while he' been barred from official membership in UKIP he is their advisor.

Since Farage saw what was happening to Brexit he decided to re-enter politics with a new party - the Brexit Party - whihc is not only taking votes from the Conservatives and Labor, it's taking votes from UKIP.

Farage is an exremely adroit politician. He knows how to craft a message with broad appeal, which is why he's stealing votes from UKIP ... once people see that a party (in this case, the Brexit Party) has a credible chance of winning, they'll toss their votes to the possible winner instead of being just a "protest vote".

Those pesky free people. Unwilling to suffer under the thumb of Germany. Voting however they feel like. How can we funnel them into the Socialist utopia?

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Saturday, April 27, 2019 8:09 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The Brexit process — far from being smooth and successful as Brexiteers had promised — has been a disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May and the British Parliament have been trapped in a policy maze for months, with no consensus on how to leave the EU. Britain's House of Commons, known for its boisterous but often erudite and coherent debate, has been marked by shouting matches and vitriol.

The political disarray in London has made leaving the EU a hard sell on the continent. Eurosceptic parties in France, the Netherlands and Sweden have since backed off calls for similar referenda and focused instead on changing the EU from within.

www.npr.org/2019/04/26/715926169/heres-why-brexit-wasnt-followed-by-fr
exit-swexit-or-nexit


Scotland will start preparing for an independence referendum before May 2021 without permission from London, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said on Wednesday. “A choice between Brexit and a future for Scotland as an independent European nation should be offered in the lifetime of this parliament,” Sturgeon told Scotland’s devolved parliament.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland/scotland-will-pr
epare-for-a-second-independence-vote-regardless-of-uk-sturgeon-idUKKCN1S01P3


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, May 25, 2019 1:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Theresa May resigns.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-48394091

Theresa May with her crappy no-exit Brexit flames out in defeat. The deal that she cooked up with Merkel and that all of the quisling MPs were ready to support also looks to go down in flames.

This wouldnt' have happened if Nigel Farage hadn't come back into the picture, because if he hadn't the voters would have had literally no other choice, seeing as both major parties (Labor, Conservative) and most minor parties were ready to betray the Brexit referendum.

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Saturday, May 25, 2019 5:22 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Both India and Australia have recently voted in individuals with a strong Populist/Nationalist message as well.


How's Macron doing, BTW?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, May 25, 2019 5:28 AM

SECOND

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The choices are hard Brexit or May's deal (no-exit Brexit) or second referendum (no-exit), given that the EU insists that no other exit treaty can be negotiated. If there isn't a decision in Parliament, then it is hard Brexit when the EU stops giving deadline extensions to the dithering old fools in Parliament.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/24/eu-leaders-stress-respect-for
-may-and-refusal-to-renegotiate-brexit-deal

www.ft.com/content/9b1ab5b6-7d66-11e9-81d2-f785092ab560



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The former Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union thinks that he can force the EU to give the UK a better Brexit deal. He is wrong.

Britain must be ready to leave the European Union without an exit deal on Oct. 31, former Brexit minister Dominic Raab said on Sunday, as he set out his pitch to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.

“If you’re not willing to walk away from a negotiation, it doesn’t focus the mind of the other side,” Raab told the BBC. “If you do that you can be really credible in Brussels.”

Raab said he would prefer Britain left with a deal but that he did not want to delay the planned Oct. 31 departure date. He also said he believed Britain would only be legally obliged to pay about 14 billion pounds ($18 billion) of the current 39 billion pound exit bill if there was a no-deal Brexit.

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-raab/uk-must-be-ready-to-leave-e
u-without-a-deal-leadership-contender-raab-idUSKCN1SW0AS


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The former Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union thinks that he can force the EU to give the UK a better Brexit deal. He is wrong.

Britain must be ready to leave the European Union without an exit deal on Oct. 31, former Brexit minister Dominic Raab said on Sunday, as he set out his pitch to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.

“If you’re not willing to walk away from a negotiation, it doesn’t focus the mind of the other side,” Raab told the BBC. “If you do that you can be really credible in Brussels.”

Raab said he would prefer Britain left with a deal but that he did not want to delay the planned Oct. 31 departure date. He also said he believed Britain would only be legally obliged to pay about 14 billion pounds ($18 billion) of the current 39 billion pound exit bill if there was a no-deal Brexit.

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-raab/uk-must-be-ready-to-leave-e
u-without-a-deal-leadership-contender-raab-idUSKCN1SW0AS


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Isn't the EU wonderful?

Extortion to stay, al la cell phone contract cancellation fees.

I'm assuming nobody read the fine print, since it seems foolish that one of the strongest if not the strongest contributor since the EU's inception is going to be forced to pay anywhere from $215 to $600 per person for cancelling their contract (early). Assuming that early was anywhere before the end of time, that's an especially bad deal.

I'd say just threaten Germany and France with war over it and watch their ball sacks shrink to peanuts, but then again, even at the high end only $39 billion?

At 6.8 Million per minute, the US will have spent $39 Billion by the time of this post on Thursday morning.




Sure. 14 and 39 Billion sound like a terrible deal when you keep hearing how hard it is for Trump to secure 5 billion for a wall.

But when you realize that the US will have pissed away nearly twice that price by the time of this post tomorrow morning, it doesn't sound like much, does it?


No deal. Just leave.

Then sit back and watch it crumble.

Take your time paying it back too. It will be worth the interest, because you're not going to have to pay it all back when the EU dissolves. I doubt that either France or Germany would be so gauche as to try to collect on it after that happened.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:00 PM

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The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits are so fed up with "things as they are" that their vote for Brexit and their subsequent vote for the Brexit Party is much like the vote for Donald Trump, or for any of the nationalist parties in the EU Parliamen election. People threw up on the idea of "more of the same" ... they just couldn't stand it anymore. Theresa May failed on more than just Brexit, as this article makes clear. The situation in England is very much like the situation in France (yellow vest) and the situation in the USA ... Large urban areas/ financial centers are benefitting from "free money" from the central banks, but the more rural areas (here called the "flyover states" or "basket of deplorables", in England the areas outside of London and in France any village and town that is not Paris) are actually doing poorly to very poorly. That explains the voting pattern for Trump, and Brexit, and the yellow vest movement in France.

The global banks and transnationals are sucking the world dry. The problems could be bank-mandated "austerity" or it could be offhsoring or it could be mass migrations - each nation experiences the demands of globalism differently - but there is a strong "nationalist" movement across the northern hemisphere in reaction to the exploitation going on. Time for the merry-go-round to stop.

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May Ends In June
Authored by W Stephen Gilbert via Off-Guardian.org,

History will not be kind to Theresa May. By the standards she forthrightly set herself at the outset of her premiership, she has been a dismal failure. She proposed that, contrary to most impartial expectation, she would be a socially liberal prime minister who would strive to relieve the economic pressure on the poorest members of British society (the briefly famous “just about managing”), but the only small concessions towards the relief of poverty that have been wrung from her government have done nothing to reduce the incidence of homelessness, food banks and wage rates that undershoot the demands made by private landlords, services starved of funds and price rises.

And that’s without even mentioning Brexit.

Following the self-inflicted disaster of the 2017 general election, in which May utterly failed to project herself with any conviction as “strong and stable”, she became, in George Osborne’s devastating phrase, “a dead woman walking”.

That campaign was the most complacent, least effective ever fought by a major political party in Britain, and the only explanation for the media’s astonishment at the result can be that editors and columnists had so convinced themselves that they had rendered Jeremy Corbyn, in their description of choice, “unelectable” that they could see no outcome other than a thumping Tory victory. What they could not see was that Corbyn is an inspired and inspiring campaigner, while May is as dull as ditchwater.

The social media commentator Aidan Daley summed her up admirably: “Mayvis: a political nonentity of such crushing mediocrity and insignificance that even when standing in direct sunlight she casts no shadow. A third-rate office manager elevated light years beyond her intellectual capacity, professional capabilities and pay grade. A national embarrassment and global laughing stock”.

This unsparing but unarguable buttonholing raises a historical problem for the Conservative Party that shows no sign of quick resolution. When May was elected Tory leader and hence prime minister, the field of choice was notable for its lightweight uniformity. Given the length of her cabinet experience, May clearly outshone her rivals, if not in charisma (a quality conspicuously lacking from the field). But the quality of leadership of the party has been modest at best for years. Among Tory leaders since the war, only Margaret Thatcher has managed to catch the climate of her time and impose her personality on a discernible period, however much one may deplore that climate and that period.

What is striking about Conservative politics is that those who wish to hold onto power and wealth for their own class and who have the ambition and talent and imagination to make a difference do not go into politics. They become entrepreneurs, traders, speculators. There is too much regulation and self-abnegation in politics for such people. Look back over the leadership of the Tory party and you get to Harold Macmillan before you encounter anyone who came from a (brief) career in business.

Comparing May with Thatcher and Macmillan is instructive.

May has failed to create any sort of arresting public persona for herself. Aside from the tiresome bromide “Brexit means Brexit”, she has turned no phrase that immediately summons her to mind. Who could essay her political philosophy, other than hanging on grimly against insuperable odds and paying heed to no advice?

She has no imagination, no resourcefulness, no wit and no management skills. When pressed, she retreats to prepared responses, regardless of their irrelevance to the question in hand. We are now told that she is “a patriot” – the last refuge of a political scoundrel – and that she has “tried her best”, which was clearly grossly inadequate to the task.

The mainstream media will be eternally grateful to her for betraying emotion at the end of her resignation statement, thereby providing the “human interest” angle that cements the moment in history and will be trotted out in every story about the May premiership for ever after, much like Thatcher’s tear-stained face in the back of the limo as it pulled away from Downing Street for the last time. Whether this emotion sits appropriately with the “dignity” that her admirers are rushing to credit to her is a question for others to ponder.

Attention now turns to her successor. Vast though the field is, it is again notable for its lightweight nature. Smart money will be on Rory Stewart, already a media darling and a politician unusually capable of sounding thoughtful and candid. He also has the advantage of having led a colourful pre-politics life, thereby bringing instincts to his politics from beyond the confines of career consultants and spads. But most speculation centres on Boris Johnson, despite the high level of suspicion that he generates among Tory MPs. He is said to be enthusiastically supported at the grassroots.

In this as in other aspects, he brings to mind Donald Trump. If Rory Stewart would offer a safe pair of hands, Johnson would suggest a Trump-like level of gaffes and embarrassments, thrills and spills.

That would certainly draw a line under the dead hand of the May era, but is there really an appetite for it on the Tory benches? Had Trump required the support of the senate to become the Republican candidate in 2016, he would not now be president. But Johnson will require the support of the Commons to become prime minister, and we may already be sure that his elevation would provoke some party resignations.

Moreover, while a Trump-Johnson alliance looks more promising of mutual support than any other possible combo, it may well only have eighteen months in which to flourish.

A Johnson premiership would represent an uncharacteristic rush of blood to the collective Tory head, comparable to Quentin Hailsham Hogg being preferred as prime minister to Macmillan or Home. After the long drawn-out death rattle of May’s period in office, the inevitable being postponed day by day until it became unbearable to everyone, politics now reverts to its proper and characteristic rhythm of utter unpredictability.

The old saw that the frontrunner never wins a leadership race may just be confounded on this occasion. Who can say? All supporters of other parties can do is to wait and see and remain ready for any eventuality.



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....



The stupid shit you post - amazing.
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?

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Sunday, May 26, 2019 4:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....



The stupid shit you post - amazing.
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?


I think Brits feel the way they feel because - unlike you- I actually listen to what Brits have to say, using a variety of sources (from NPR and BBC to listening to Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson directly.) You might have noticed, for example, that the article that I quoted was from the Off guardian which is ... wait for it... British!

And then, the polls which show a disasterous fall for the Tories (after they betrayed their Brexit promise) and the meteoric rise of the Brexit Party under Nigel Farage are excellent indicators of how Brits feel!

The person who specializes in uneducated feels in you, GSTRING. You quite obviously can't be bothered to look things up for yourself, you have no interest in finding out what's actually going on, all you do is plug your fingers in your ears and then stick your head up your ass.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....



The stupid shit you post - amazing.
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?


I think Brits feel the way they feel because - unlike you- I actually listen to what Brits have to say, using a variety of sources (from NPR and BBC to listening to Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson directly.) You might have noticed, for example, that the article that I quoted was from the Off guardian which is ... wait for it... British!

And then, the polls which show a disasterous fall for the Tories (after they betrayed their Brexit promise) and the meteoric rise of the Brexit Party under Nigel Farage are excellent indicators of how Brits feel!

The person who specializes in uneducated feels in you, GSTRING. You quite obviously can't be bothered to look things up for yourself, you have no interest in finding out what's actually going on, all you do is plug your fingers in your ears and then stick your head up your ass.

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Wrong and just plain ignorant as always. Unlike you, I don’t pretend I know what’s going to happen in the future. Nor do I pretend to know what “the Brits” think based on a couple news articles - and really?? NPR is one your sources? I thought you hated M$M? Or maybe you’re just spamming the board again...

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Monday, May 27, 2019 3:38 AM

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Nor do I pretend to know what “the Brits” think based on a couple news articles - and really?? NPR is one your sources?
Who says I read "a couple" of news articles?

And tell me, silly, how do YOU figure out what's going on? Because if you don't think that reading the news from a wide variety of sources will help, then what's your secret to knowledge? Or, do you simply not hope to know anything at all, and revel in being an ignorant twat?
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Unlike you, I don’t pretend I know what’s going to happen in the future.- GSTRING

FYI... making predictions is part of the scientific method. Making predictions is the only way to find your errors and sharpen your knowledge, and that only happens when you fail. Making erroneous predictions is absolutely essential to learning: You should try it sometime.

*****

Maybe what you object to was my overly-broad characterization of "Brits". I know that "Brits" are divided on the topic of Brexit. But the referendum was 52 leave versus 48 remain and the results haven't changed much since. Since the Tories stabbed their constituents in the back, the Brexit party picked up almost all of their votes and is now the largest party in 9 of 10 regions; I think the results speak for themselves. The next-largest party was the Lib-Dems - solid "remainers" who have never wavered from their stance. The jellyfish in the middle have been abandoned.

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Monday, May 27, 2019 5:07 AM

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There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 27, 2019 11:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There's nothing wrong with making predictions. It's even better when you make them public.
Unfortunately, those who make predictions around here seldom recognize when they're wrong, therefore they never learn. Look at THUGR: He based his tick tock on the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hoax, and when that failed to materialize he simply goal-shifted and reset the clock.

And some predictions, like worldwide extinction ... well, some of them you just don't want to have to say "I told you so".

Life on earth is very durable, and humans are pretty durable too. Unless we fall into "planet Venus" territory, life will find a way. However, human civilizations ... life as we know it ... will flame out. There will be a future that is hot, where many species have died and the world is no longer a rich, productive, and diverse ecology but where mostly weeds and a few humans will survive. That's my prediction, anyway.

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Monday, May 27, 2019 11:56 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There's nothing wrong with making predictions. It's even better when you make them public.
Unfortunately, those who make predictions around here seldom recognize when they're wrong, therefore they never learn. Look at THUGR: He based his tick tock on the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hoax, and when that failed to materialize he simply goal-shifted and reset the clock.

And some predictions, like worldwide extinction ... well, some of them you just don't want to have to say "I told you so".

Life on earth is very durable, and humans are pretty durable too. Unless we fall into "planet Venus" territory, life will find a way. However, human civilizations ... life as we know it ... will flame out. There will be a future that is hot, where many species have died and the world is no longer a rich, productive, and diverse ecology but where here only weeds and a few humans will survive. That's my prediction, anyway.



Yeah. I don't have a problem with making predictions either. We have a thread or two here dedicated to just that which has seen predictions from people all over the spectrum post in it.

Predictions are made here all of the time.

The double-edged sword of putting your predictions out there is that you're on record for having made them if it turns out that you were wrong.

I can recall several instances where I was extremely wrong about an outcome and I fully admitted that I was. Honestly, I can't seem to recall anybody else ever having done so. That's not to say it hasn't happened. Just that I don't remember it happening.

My previous post on the topic that you quoted here was just pointing out again the hypocrisy. That is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.


Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.

Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.

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Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.



Yeah. It is. I've been hearing the world is going to end for one reason or another since I was born. Without a time machine or a legitimate crystal ball there is zero chance anybody knows what is going to happen. It gets exponentially more foolish when people put an actual date on it (30 years from now, 12 years from now... however many years from now Marcos put in his thread title)

Remember Y2K. Remember 2012. lol

Quote:

Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.



You don't need any real reason to impeach. Dumbass.

Impeachment doesn't actually have any consequences in and of itself. All it would take to impeach any president at any given time in history is enough votes to be successful.

Please. Go ahead and impeach. It will backfire spectacularly and the Democrats will be completely crushed in 2020 if it happens.





Looks like all of my predictions about the EU are coming true. I know you always like to try to point out that I'm ill informed and that I'm biased. That doesn't change the fact that I was right about it.

2020 here is going to be no different.

The progressive/Globalist movement is losing worldwide and is going to fall apart.

My condolences.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.



Yeah. It is. I've been hearing the world is going to end for one reason or another since I was born. Without a time machine or a legitimate crystal ball there is zero chance anybody knows what is going to happen. It gets exponentially more foolish when people put an actual date on it (30 years from now, 12 years from now... however many years from now Marcos put in his thread title)

Remember Y2K. Remember 2012. lol

Quote:

Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.



You don't need any real reason to impeach. Dumbass.

Impeachment doesn't actually have any consequences in and of itself. All it would take to impeach any president at any given time in history is enough votes to be successful.

Please. Go ahead and impeach. It will backfire spectacularly and the Democrats will be completely crushed in 2020 if it happens.

Looks like all of my predictions about the EU are coming true. I know you always like to try to point out that I'm ill informed and that I'm biased. That doesn't change the fact that I was right about it.

2020 here is going to be no different.

The progressive/Globalist movement is losing worldwide and is going to fall apart.

My condolences.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Right, From the person who one week says they have it made, all figured out, and then the next says they’re going through tough times. Your take on shit is usually shit.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.



Yeah. It is. I've been hearing the world is going to end for one reason or another since I was born. Without a time machine or a legitimate crystal ball there is zero chance anybody knows what is going to happen. It gets exponentially more foolish when people put an actual date on it (30 years from now, 12 years from now... however many years from now Marcos put in his thread title)

Remember Y2K. Remember 2012. lol

Quote:

Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.



You don't need any real reason to impeach. Dumbass.

Impeachment doesn't actually have any consequences in and of itself. All it would take to impeach any president at any given time in history is enough votes to be successful.

Please. Go ahead and impeach. It will backfire spectacularly and the Democrats will be completely crushed in 2020 if it happens.

Looks like all of my predictions about the EU are coming true. I know you always like to try to point out that I'm ill informed and that I'm biased. That doesn't change the fact that I was right about it.

2020 here is going to be no different.

The progressive/Globalist movement is losing worldwide and is going to fall apart.

My condolences.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Right, From the person who one week says they have it made, all figured out, and then the next says they’re going through tough times. Your take on shit is usually shit.



Well. I did have it made. Then a very unfortunate series of unforeseen circumstances happened to have fallen on me at once.

If I were still drinking, this all would likely be the death of me right now. But I'm not. I'll figure it out.

You'd better hope that you never run into an extremely bad string of luck the likes of this yourself. I doubt very much you have the fortitude or the intellect to recover from it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The UK government has spent “at least” £97 million ($124 million) hiring external help for Brexit-related tasks, because many departments lack necessary manpower and skills.

To be sure, this is just one sort of cost related to Brexit. In 2017, UK finance minister Philip Hammond earmarked more than £3 billion for government departments to spend on Brexit-related issues over two years.

The economy is 3% smaller than it would have been if the vote went the other way. The UK has forgone, on average, £6.6 billion ($8.7 billion) in economic activity in each of the 10 quarters since the vote.

And even though the political and legislative process has been consumed by nothing but Brexit since the referendum, nobody knows what will happen next.

https://qz.com/1638209/

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Shadow Dancers
Wed, June 26, 2019 01:34 - 1 posts
Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
Tue, June 25, 2019 21:36 - 2772 posts
The truth: It's too late. We will go extinct, very soon. Enjoy the time you have left.
Tue, June 25, 2019 20:54 - 471 posts
IRAN: Trump's war?
Tue, June 25, 2019 20:53 - 139 posts
my platform as presidential candidate - what's yours?
Tue, June 25, 2019 20:40 - 123 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!!!
Tue, June 25, 2019 20:13 - 2156 posts
Trump's Budget
Tue, June 25, 2019 20:05 - 184 posts
Who Is Running In 2020?
Tue, June 25, 2019 20:04 - 109 posts
Why Do Libtards Demand Children Be Thrown Into Adult Prison?
Tue, June 25, 2019 19:56 - 89 posts
Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!
Tue, June 25, 2019 16:12 - 889 posts
Work suks
Mon, June 24, 2019 23:40 - 29 posts
Russia doping scandal continues
Mon, June 24, 2019 20:02 - 6 posts

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