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If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:34 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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... what would you do differently if anything?

It might be too early to know. Your supplies might last, they might not. I will definitely look at getting a smallish freezer for our basement and load it up. We have adopted an intermittent fasting routine that we experimented with last year which makes all our food stuffs last a lot longer. Basically, you have a 16-ish hour window in which you don't eat anything except coffee, tea, and water, which is actually pretty easy. It means you can eat up until 7pm, and then nothing until 11am (except coffee, tea, and water). Since a lot of that is time spent sleeping, it goes by pretty fast. On a few days we wouldn't eat until 4-5pm, so we only ate one meal a day essentially. That makes everything last a lot longer obviously.

Firewood for heating just in case? Guns? Order more food delivery?


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Thursday, April 2, 2020 12:08 PM

SIGNYM

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If you have a basement, I would look at getting a LARGISH freezer and loading it up. Since basments are always cooler, that's a good place to keep a freezer: it won't use as much energy. I have a smallish freezer, and it doesn't go far for a family of three (also on a modified fast most of the time)

Not sure if you have any special food restrictions, but I would also look at dried beans, rice and/or corn, and canned goods.

Masks. Get masks - N95 respirators or the Chinese equivalent (KN95) when you can, and hand sanitizer.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:04 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you have a basement, I would look at getting a LARGISH freezer and loading it up. Since basments are always cooler, that's a good place to keep a freezer: it won't use as much energy. I have a smallish freezer, and it doesn't go far for a family of three (also on a modified fast most of the time)

Not sure if you have any special food restrictions, but I would also look at dried beans, rice and/or corn, and canned goods.

Masks. Get masks - N95 respirators or the Chinese equivalent (KN95) when you can, and hand sanitizer.



No food restrictions other than preferring fresh over frozen foods. There's just 2 of us, so it feels like a 5-7 cubic foot freezer would be more than enough + what's in our main freezer. Frozen veggies are pretty good imho, so at least that's a plus. We have tons of dried goods - our pantry is almost a joke it's so full - just about anything shelf stable went in to the cart.

There are tons of youtube vids for sewing masks, but I don't have a sewing machine. Below, a link to a pretty smart no-sew mask. I am wondering if you could put one of those Clorox disinfectant wipes inside as a filter...? Or wipe sanitizer on the outside...just for a quick shopping trip, in and out? I don't see myself buying N95 masks any time soon.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:12 PM

THG


I'll do what I did the first time. Continue to prepare. I have masks and gloves ordered that won't show until mid-May or so. I have plenty of food and more coming in two days.

Right now, I have something else that is more of a problem. My twenty year old cat lost the ability to stand. Her hind legs won't function properly. I thought she hurt herself this morning but it may be a neurological problem. If she can't stand by tomorrow, I'll have to put her down. Hearts breaking...

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:59 PM

1KIKI

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I am wondering if you could put one of those Clorox disinfectant wipes inside as a filter...?
I wouldn't. You'd be breathing sanitizer (chlorox, alcohol, quat ammonium, other) fumes the whole time until it dried out and became ineffective.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Right now, I have something else that is more of a problem. My twenty year old cat lost the ability to stand. Her hind legs won't function properly. I thought she hurt herself this morning but it may be a neurological problem. If she can't stand by tomorrow, I'll have to put her down. Hearts breaking...
Was it sudden or was she stumbling/ wobbling side-to-side a bit and/ or unable to jump over time?

Is she in pain?

If sudden and in pain, it could be a 'saddle embolus' which is a blood clot in an artery that supplies a portion of the spinal chord. It's irreversible, and the best thing to do is to humanely euthanize her ASAP so as to not keep her in pain.

But I extend my sympathy to your cat, and of course to you.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:19 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

I am wondering if you could put one of those Clorox disinfectant wipes inside as a filter...?
I wouldn't. You'd be breathing sanitizer (chlorox, alcohol, quat ammonium, other) fumes the whole time until it dried out and became ineffective.



Roger that - got out the magnifier to read the cautions - "do not get near your eyes." If you get any in your eyes it's like a 20 minute wash under cool running water. Yikes. Figures - we'd of heard already if it worked.
And something I did not know about hand sanitizer. They suggest you wash your hands after using it. Huh.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:21 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Right now, I have something else that is more of a problem. My twenty year old cat lost the ability to stand. Her hind legs won't function properly. I thought she hurt herself this morning but it may be a neurological problem. If she can't stand by tomorrow, I'll have to put her down. Hearts breaking...



Really sorry to hear that, T. That's rough timing. Best of luck - hang in there.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:30 PM

THG


Thanks, as for a blood clot the vet said there was good blood flow to her hind legs. If she can't stand tomorrow it's back to the vet and perhaps, she will have to be put down. She also has high blood pressure. I got her a prescription that she started today. Slim chance it will help with the other thing but hope is all I have left.

The only thing I'm sure of is that I'll put what's best for her ahead of my desire to to not let her go.

T


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Friday, April 3, 2020 7:58 AM

SIGNYM

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Poor kitty. We have all (or most of us, anyway) had beloved pets that we had to euthanize. Mine was a ginger tabby named Ginger. (He was a street foundling, along with his brother Pepper, and I named them before anyone knew what sex they were.) He was Mr friendly, would walk with me when I walked the dog, or just sit companionably when I was doing something quiet. He always appreciated, but never demanded, a petting and tolerated baths when his fur became matted. He was a fierce hunter of pocket gophers, many of which I had to mercy-kill, and would often eat everything but the snout and front teeth (eeew).

They all hve their personalities and their lives wind thru ours.

I hope your kitty gets better, THUGR, but I'm content knowing that youll do the right thing either way. Peace to you and your cat.

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Friday, April 3, 2020 1:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Kudos to the Captain for a rare constructive thread around here.

I propose the big brains in the RWED come up with a list of stuff to always have on hand, and a reasonable amount to have. Reasonable, being the important word, because you don't want to let fear turn you into a hoarder. Not everybody lives in a nice big house and has a ton of room for storage too. Lot's of people out there in 1 bedroom apartments that are sitting on 5 years of toilet paper at the moment.

Also, I noticed that while supplies at the local Aldi seemed to be doing much, much better about 10 days ago (in the morning), when I went back 2 days ago near closing time it still looked pretty awful and a lot of stuff was just not in stock. I still have yet to go back in the morning to see how it looks when the store just opens. It probably looks OK in the morning, but I really had thought that by now this wouldn't be an issue anymore.

The panic buying hasn't stopped, apparently, and the act of shopping (and hoarding) is fulfilling several needs at once. There's always the instant gratification of shopping that a lot of people have, but now you can add the fact that going out to shop is one of the very few things that they are even allowed to do outside of their house that isn't illegal, and otherwise powerless people feel like they're accomplishing something by stocking up more, and really it's just a way to break up the monotony of staying at home with your thumb up your ass all day long.

So... "If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall..." (assuming, of course, that it ever goes away this summer in the first place)...


Make a shopping list to spend that $1,200 per person on if things go back somewhat to normal in the upcoming months.


What should you have on hand? What are things that you wish you had on hand now that you haven't seen in stores at all or that you rarely see? What do you wish you have right now that you can't get?

Answers to these questions are likely to pop up at any time, whether you're out shopping and the lack of something you want (or just really need) is not available. Use your existing circumstances as a learning experience and take full advantage of the supplies being re-stocked in the future to make sure you have what you feel you need if this comes back or something else happens in the future.


Also, keep in mind that if it does "go away" and then "come back" next fall, the response from authorities is likely to be even more severe and places that remained open this time might not be deemed "essential" next time. Who knows? Maybe Home Depot and Menards don't make the cut.



Anyway... here's a short list of things off the top of my head. I'm adding some stuff that I'm not worried about having but know that other people are, but feel free to add things that I'm not likely to think of in my situation and I'll update it. I'm also adding quantities per person, but feel free to let me know if you feel that is too much or too little as well.



STUFF THAT HAS BEEN HARD TO GET:
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Face Masks - Qty: I dunno... If you feel the need for them now and have them, then track how many you go through. If you don't have them but have read up on how often they should be changed then compare that to how often you and anybody in your house go out now. Keep in mind that this was the FIRST thing to disappear from the shelves, even before the toilet paper was gone.

Hand Sanitizer/Wipes - Qty: Again, I dunno. I don't use the stuff. How much are you going through? Do you have any? Do you wish you had more right now? Keep an inventory of what you have and how quickly you go through it compared to how many people are using it. If you're rationing them now, is it because you truly didn't have enough or are you being too frugal with them (you probably won't know that answer until things get back to "normal", but keep it in mind).

Toilet Paper/Paper Towel - Qty: Six months per person/household. I feel this is a reasonable amount. Paper Towel and Toilet Paper take up a huge amount of space and won't likely be used very soon. It's tempting to just have a ton of this on hand because as long as you're not storing it in a dank crawl space it will stay good for years to come, but I wouldn't go too crazy with this one. Sure, I've seen days where it's still sold out, but in my last few trips I've seen some on the shelf at least 50% of the time. If there comes a time where you really can't buy either of these in a given 6 month period, we probably all have much bigger problems.

If you really feel the need to have more on hand, I would suggest that you keep one full Costco sized package for every person in your home, and when you get that low go out and double it again.

Hand Soap - Qty: 12 months per person/household. It's small. It usually goes a long way. Maybe not as long these days if you're singing Happy Birthday to yourself 20 times per day. Take note of how much you have and how quickly you're going through it now. Make sure to have at least 12 months of it on hand always and re-stock when you fall below that. Double that up if you feel the need. It doesn't take up much space and it's not going to go bad.

Although bar soap always seems to be in stock and is a fine replacement, hand soap dispensers/refills are convenient and if you're not living alone you're not sharing the community bar of soap. You may want to have more of this on hand at any time since unlike bar soap, this one is hard to get your hands on right now.




STUFF I'VE NEVER SEEN SOLD OUT:
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Bar soap - Qty: 12 months per person/household.

Toothpaste - Qty: 12 months per person/household. Same notes as soap.

Mouthwash - Qty: 12 months per person/household. These containers are big, but even if you're using them all the time like I was before the oral surgery, they last forever. Double up if you feel you can afford the loss of shelf space.

Dish detergent - Qty: 12 months per person/household. Ditto.

Laundry detergent - Qty: 12 months per person/household. ""

Various surface cleaners (bathroom/kitchen): Qty: 12 months... whatever that is. I've never seen these out of stock. There are so many different choices out there that you'll find something, even if it's not your favorite brand. If you can't find the one you're looking for, then buy it accordingly when they are replenished. (Same with dish detergent and laundry detergent, really).





FOOD:
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I really wouldn't go crazy about food, unless you're looking for a project and something to keep your mind busy for the rest of your life with rotating out stock and the like. Keep in mind that the more food you hoard, the more work it will be over time to properly stock and rotate the food.

I recommend at least a few months worth of canned goods if you can stomach the stuff. (I generally can't). No harm in having a month of other things on hand.

The end of the world isn't likely to happen any time soon, which is quite literally what it would require for food supply chains to break down. That being said, panic buying/hoarding has shown itself to be a short-term problem, and you know full well when this has subsided for a while that a lot of people will have learned nothing and this will all be a problem the next time it happens. For your own piece of mind don't wait until the cupboards are bare to replenish food, just in case, but don't buy up so much stuff that it's going to be a weekly chore to keep up with it either. Most people who do will end up with a bunch of shit that goes bad and have to throw it away. Anybody who's watched a few episodes of Hoarders knows exactly what I'm talking about.



TOOLS:
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You may or may not have noticed, but trying to get any work done that you would normally pay somebody else to do really isn't a thing right now, depending on your location. You should ALWAYS have at least a basic set of tools and hardware on hand, just for temporary patch work to get you through one of these scenarios until you can get a pro out to do the work.

I know a lot of you already have some, but I grew up in a house using butter knives for screwdrivers, so I know there are a lot of people who don't.

LIST:
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Hammer w/nails - (various sizes... you probably don't need to put much thought into material since we're not building decks and garages here, so a box of small, medium, large should be sufficient).

Screwdriver Set - Basic is fine for most people, but it's cheap to get a set that has changeable various weird bits like Torx and squares as well as different sized standard flat and Phillips heads. (You never know when your coffee maker might break down and you want to try to fix it watching a Youtube video, but you can't even open it because the bit is Torx. I've even seen small torx on the battery compartment of one of my nieces toy's too, so there's that).

Tape Measure w pencil(s)

Utility Knife w blades

POWER TOOLS:
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NOTE TO WEEKEND WARRIORS: DO NOT buy any cordless power tools unless you already have a corded version of the tool. Cordless tools are great for convenience, but they come at a much higher initial cost, and batteries are so hit or miss in these things even among good brands. Replacing batteries is usually comparable to half the initial investment of the tool, and when everything is shut down you have no way of knowing if you can even get your hands on them. Buy corded.


Power Drill - This is considered by some to be a "luxury". It's not. Get one. They're cheap, and capable of so many different things you're not going to get done without it.

Obviously, get some screws of various sizes too.

Plumbing Drum/Auger Bit - Got that Power Drill? Good. For 20 bucks more buy one of these. You can clean out any clogged drain inside your house with it without having to call the plumber who might not ever come over. DON'T buy a single tool that only does this. Buy the Power Drill first, then buy the bit for it. It works just as well and now you have a very versatile tool that ALSO cleans out drain pipes. (NOTE: This will not do anything if your drain system is clogged outside of the house because of a broken pipe and/or tree roots... you will just break the snake).

Reciprocal Saw and blades - Again, many people think this is a luxury, but it's NOT. You're not going to do any finish carpentry with this tool, but outside of that the sky is about the limit for what this thing can accomplish for you. Great for yard work too. Don't cut your fingers off though.




BIG TICKET ITEMS:
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Is that $1,200 payout burning a hole in your pocket? Me neither. But you might think about having the following if you can swing it. Especially the generator.

Generator with heavy duty extension cords - You'll never need this, until you need it. You'll probably hate knowing you spent that money on one of these for a long time, but that one time you do need it you're going to be telling everybody you know it was the best purchase you ever made.

Get yourself some heavy duty (see: rather expensive) cords for it too. You don't want to burn down your house on accident because you were trying to keep the fridge going with a plug that was designed for a 100 watt table lamp.

Air Compressor - Always nice to have in your garage, if for nothing more than to fill your tires whenever you feel like it. It's got tons of other uses too and you might find them to be a super convenient way of doing something else you already did if you find the right attachment for it.

Shop Vac - Might be a bit frivolous for this list, sure, but a good shop vac is always a sound investment.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 3, 2020 2:44 PM

WHOZIT


I hope I get it, I'll get two weeks paid vacation thanks to Trump. I'll just lay around the house, drink beer and watch porn...really dirty porn...and order a pizza.

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Friday, April 3, 2020 2:44 PM

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Friday, April 3, 2020 6:48 PM

SIGNYM

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Well, I think SIX you have to define what sort of emergency you might prepare for, and how long it's likely to last.

A blizzard might keep you homebound for a week. An ice storm might take down powerlines ... all the way from the high=tension lines to the ones going to your house ... which might not be repaired for up to two weeks. True story; tree limbs landing on power lines in an ice storm in NY to VT destroyed a lot of the electrical grid which had to be entirely rebuilt. Some of the more outlying houses didn't get electricity restored by almost 2 weeks. Doesn't sound like much until you realize that your furnace fan runs on electricity ... so no heat ... and many water heaters and stoves use pilotless (eletric) ignition.

Hurricanes are another widespread, long-lasting emergency: some victims of Katrina didn't even get evacuated for 10 days, many parts of Puerto Rico still don't have electricity.

Moving up on the scale of disasters, a major earthquake under a major metropolitan area, (say) Los Angeles, would disrupt power, gas, AND water. So, no sewage handling (no flushable water) and no trash pickup. I wouldn't expect meaningful help to arrive for almost a month.

Higher up on the scale, to a true catastrophe, would be a big solar EMP aimed straight at the middle of N America. (I was only partially joking in WISHY's thread.) Every transformer from the substations to the local pole pigs would be destroyed. It takes about a year to rebuild those substation transformers. Every winding in every motor would be fried. There goes the dynamos at the power stations, your rerigerator compressor, and the pumps which bring you fresh water every day. Most vehicles would be inoperable. Even emergency generators (hospitals, water treatment plants, yours ...) would be toast. Now THAT is a catastrophe!

*****

There's only so much an individual can prepare for. One month is about the longest a household could carry on individually. After that, preparation is at the city, state, and Federal level.

So, limiting preparations to one month ....


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Friday, April 3, 2020 10:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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It's more about peace of mind than anything else. Half of the panic the last few weeks was about not being able to buy shit.

People are talking about buying ice chests and running extra electricity to stock up on a years supply of frozen foods that they're going to have to rotate for the rest of their lives. You'll notice my food section advises against this practice, and is the least when it comes to any sort of prep.

The rest of that stuff is not only things you're going to use anyhow, but aside from the toilet paper and paper towels is fairly small stuff and none of it goes bad.


Why would you ever have only one month of those things on hand before this hit let alone after it hit? If your goal is to only have one month, then you're not preparing for the future at all and you're likely to just run out of stuff like 90% of Americas were before this happened and you're bound to find yourself without something you can't buy because you forgot to pick more up at the last minute before something like this happens again.

Seriously. No less than 6 months of all the other stuff on hand at any given time isn't hoarding, even when everything is fine. And having 12 months on hand doesn't take up much more space either. If everybody did that, there wouldn't have been shortages in the stores of TP and hand sanitizers.

If you've got that, then the only goods you're concerned about are food, and even among all the panic buying there was always plenty of that to be found even if you weren't able to find all the things you were specifically looking for.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 6, 2020 7:17 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


already stocked up, back stock up a little more

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Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:10 AM

SIGNYM

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SIX, I think your list is misdirected a bit.

Your list is more for the DIYer. There's nothing wrong with ... in fact, there's a tremendous amount RIGHT with ...being a DIYer.

But we're talking emergencies here, not a way of life.

Do you know what people REALLY find helpful in emergencies (ice storms, hurricanes, and earthquakes)? CHAIN SAWS. Yep, just like the fire department uses. Great for cutting ice- or hurricane-downed trees/limbs, or taking apart house frames for rescue.

GENERATOR OR OFF-GRID SOLAR. Like you said: you won't need it until you need it, and then it will be the best purchase you ever made.

WORK GLOVES

FOOD AND (SOMETIMES) POTABLE WATER. Not necessary for some emergencies but a definite must for any emergency where general transportation is cut off. This can be an ice storm, blizzard, hurricane, earthquake, general insurrection.

A ONE-MONTH SUPPLY OF YOUR MEDS AND OTC DRUGS, CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL, etc Not necessary for some emergencies but a definite must for any emergency where general transportation is cut off.

A CELL PHONE

A VEHICLE FULL OF GAS. It can charge your cellphone or be a place to sleep if your house is collapsed or uninhabitable. Look at Superstorm Sandy: the electricity was out citywide, so the gas stations were out because the pumps ran on electricity, and there were only a few, rare stations with generators

A FIRST AID KIT, if the emergency involved physical injury.

So, not looking at this from a DIYer POV but from an ACTUAL EMERGENCY POV.

*****

At some point, tho, a prolonged emergency does turn into a way of life. So, if you want to add things to your DIYer list ...

If you have any patch of ground to call your own: a garden.

This coronavirus in particular may compromise not only the spring planting but the summer/fall harvest of fresh vegetables from the southern states (California, Texas, Florida) which the entire nation appreciates. You might not be able to get fresh vegetables in the wintertime, but at least you can enjoy them in the summer and fall.


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Tuesday, April 7, 2020 10:22 AM

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Tuesday, April 7, 2020 10:49 AM

JO753

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Best wishez for your cat.

A freezr haz narrow apocolypse ranje:

The grosery situation haz gon to hell, but the power iz still on.

You need to add solar power to the freezr.

And everybody thinks N95 mask- if you can send yourself a note bak i time, stok up on N100 masks.

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Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I really am not looking forward to the next trip to the grocery store. Going to have a freaking line out the door like I'm herded cattle since they're only letting a few people in at a time. It's going to take 6 hours to buy food now.

Let's keep overreacting about everything until people just say fuck it and start killing each other.

Good times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:32 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Best wishez for your cat.

A freezr haz narrow apocolypse ranje:

The grosery situation haz gon to hell, but the power iz still on.

You need to add solar power to the freezr.

And everybody thinks N95 mask- if you can send yourself a note bak i time, stok up on N100 masks.

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I lost the cat JO. She never regained her ability to walk. It was fast. The whole thing was over in 24 hrs. I'm just very grateful I was home when it happened. She was never alone.

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Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

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You have my heartfelt sympathies about your cat, THG. At least it was fast, it would have been terrible if she had lingered in pain.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 1:20 PM

1KIKI

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If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

Virus unlikely to diminish significantly with warm weather, scientific panel reports (WaPo)

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...

Virus unlikely to diminish significantly with warm weather, scientific panel reports (WaPo)




We all know that WaPo is a news organization that can be trusted.

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
I lost the cat JO. She never regained her ability to walk. It was fast. The whole thing was over in 24 hrs. I'm just very grateful I was home when it happened. She was never alone.


I didn't see this earlier. You have my sympathies.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 2:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


To get back to the OP

If Covid-19 comes back as expected this fall...


Coronavirus unlikely to diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Coronavirus-unlikely-to-
diminish-with-warm-15186911.php

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Ya don't say, huh?

Old fake news. I've already been telling people that when and if the oppressive government shutdowns lighten up this summer to enjoy it while it lasts and prepare for at least another 6 months of this starting in late fall.

Looks like the fake news is a little behind in prepping the sheep to think about that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Coronavirus-unlikely-to-
diminish-with-warm-15186911.php



Coronavirus unlikely to diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds
Published 11:32 am EDT, Wednesday, April 8, 2020

Rapid Expert Consultation on SARS-CoV-2 Survival in Relation to Temperature and Humidity and Potential for Seasonality for the COVID-19 Pandemic (April 7, 2020)
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25771/rapid-expert-consultation-on-sars-co
v-2-survival-in-relation-to-temperature-and-humidity-and-potential-for-seasonality-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-7-2020


It seems like everyone is 'in' on the fake disease. The scientists and doctors from all around the globe; WHO and the CDC not to mention medical systems everywhere; China, Iran, and Russia; plus Italy, Spain, and all of Europe ... even BoJo arranged a fake trip to a fake ICU despite his original response to the British to 'take it on the chin'. The only one not on board is Bolsonaro ... and Jack.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Ruh Roh...

Better plan on rolling out Stimulus Bill number 10 come wintertime that allows for $600 per person per week for the rest of our lives when they don't let us ever leave home again.


At least until somebody decides we're not worth it anymore and they just pull the plug.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 5:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Back to the OP

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Coronavirus-unlikely-to-
diminish-with-warm-15186911.php



Coronavirus unlikely to diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds
Published 11:32 am EDT, Wednesday, April 8, 2020

Rapid Expert Consultation on SARS-CoV-2 Survival in Relation to Temperature and Humidity and Potential for Seasonality for the COVID-19 Pandemic (April 7, 2020)
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25771/rapid-expert-consultation-on-sars-co
v-2-survival-in-relation-to-temperature-and-humidity-and-potential-for-seasonality-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-7-2020


It seems like everyone is 'in' on the fake disease. The scientists and doctors from all around the globe; WHO and the CDC not to mention medical systems everywhere; China, Iran, and Russia; plus Italy, Spain, and all of Europe ... even BoJo arranged a fake trip to a fake ICU despite his original response to the British to 'take it on the chin'. The only one not on board is Bolsonaro ... and Jack.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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And China, who hasn't had any new cases to note in about a month.

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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BTW... I never said the Coomph was fake. I'd call you a liar, but I know you're just stupid.

It doesn't matter what they do. It doesn't matter what you do. Everybody is going to get it and the weak are going to die.

If you're weak, that means you, Kiki. You're going to die if you're weak.

A lifetime supply of Lysol disinfectant pads and 3M masks aren't going to save you. You will slip up. You will make a mistake. You will let your guard down for 5 seconds one day. And at 125 nanometers wide, it will find a way in easier than water down a drain.

And then, if you're weak, you will die.


Sweet dreams. :)

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


IMHO There are "shelter in place" emergencies and "run like hell" emergencies. Shelter in place emergencies tend to be things that you can't predict or escape, or emergencies that are relatively short-lived, like earthquakes and zombie apocalypse (first category) or blizards and ice storms. "Run like hell" emergencies IMHO are fast-moving fires and hurricanes and war fronts. For the "Shelter in place" emergency the best you can expect to do is one month. After that, it's out of your hands.

CC, I recommend that you fill up your pantry, your cellar, your copious cabinets and cupboards and your two freezers which will allow you to not shop for extended periods.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

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Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IMHO There are "shelter in place" emergencies and "run like hell" emergencies. Shelter in place emergencies tend to be things that you can't predict or escape, or emergencies that are relatively short-lived, like earthquakes and zombie apocalypse (first category) or blizards and ice storms. "Run like hell" emergencies IMHO are fast-moving fires and hurricanes and war fronts. For the "Shelter in place" emergency the best you can expect to do is one month. After that, it's out of your hands.

CC, I recommend that you fill up your pantry, your cellar, your copious cabinets and cupboards and your two freezers which will allow you to not shop for extended periods.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME




A month, huh? Get back to us when that STAYTHEFUCKHOME hashtag starts getting old in the tooth.

It will be over a month by the time the new extension is up here, and I fully expect them to extend it again after that.

Already bracing mentally for them to start it up again in November and go a full 5 months through the spring of 2021.

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