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(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)

I'm gonna start.

Maybe you will follow.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)

I'm gonna start.

Maybe you will follow.

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Remember this signature of yours? You used it today http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&mid=11982
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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The Kissinger quote is taken out of context so that it says the complete opposite of what K meant.

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Signym, you have been told NOT to repeat the mistake, but you never correct yourself

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SECOND: Your signature which you didn't use for once, shows you are manipulative and dishonest.

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SECOND: Plus your numerous "Fuck Ukraines" reveals who you are.

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SECOND: To answer Signym's own question: "Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?" Your answer is NO, Signym cannot be honest.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Apparently Wetware didn't read the thread title again before posting.

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Trump will be fine.
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I propose we just freeze SECOND out, bc he'll just do what he always does- drag a potentially interesting discussion off track with ad hominems


I, for one, have no interest in going down that path.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)

I'm gonna start.

Maybe you will follow.

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Remember this signature of yours? You used it today http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&mid=11982
47#1198247

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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The Kissinger quote is taken out of context so that it says the complete opposite of what K meant. Signym, you have been told NOT to repeat the mistake, but you never correct yourself. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56470/did-henry-kissinger
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Signym, even your signature, which you didn't use for once, shows you are manipulative and dishonest. Plus your numerous "Fuck Ukraines" reveals who you are. To answer Signym's own question: "Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?" Your answer is NO, Signym cannot be honest.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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I have no idea where you are going with this.

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So, the records of the two current candidates.

Trump's record as President was spotty, at least as far as fulfilling his promises. Even tho he didn't build a wall, he DID stabilize the southern border. IDK how. I think he did a deal with Obrador: keep non- Mexicans on your side of the border and we'll cut you a check. But honestly, I'm not sure what happened. I would call it a success.

He bailed out of TTIP. That, too, was a success, IMHO.

He was looking for an economic "divorce" from China. I think the plan was to lower capital gains tax here, repatriate capital, tariff Chinese goods and make the economic environment favorable for industrial development.

*EDITED TO ADD: I know he's a great believer in capitalism, but if your nation really needs redevelopment in certain areas, I think the government needs to do more than fertilize the soil and hope. I think it needs to take a more active approach.*

He didn't portray China as a military crisis.

I read a report that even tho the tax rate was lower, overall total taxes collected increased.

Unfortunately he withdrew from both the JCPOA with Iran and the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia. I think he thought he could negotiate better deals and saw himself jetting around the world striking deals here there and elsewhere.

He tried to get our troops out of Syria, but somebody shelved those orders. And altho the neocons (Bolton, Pompeo et al) torpedoed various negotiations, he did manage to avoid embroiling the USA in any new proxy wars.

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If anyone has anything POSITIVE to say about Biden's term of office, please speak up.

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Surely somebody has something positive say?

I'm not being facetious. I really don't pay THAT much attention to everything that goes on in DC.

Maybe beneficial laws were signed or something.

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Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.

Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.

For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.

And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.

So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?

I don't want to monopolize the thread.

Take your time, tell me what you think.

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Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.

Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.

For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.

And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.

So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?

I don't want to monopolize the thread.

Take your time, tell me what you think.

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That wasn't even a Biden* accomplishment. Trump got that ball rolling and would have done an excellent job completing it. Joe Biden* pulled out early and fucked everything up so bad that even polling by Lefty news outlets couldn't lie hard enough to pretend that Joe* ever recovered from that.

Don't even humor these goons and pretend that Afghanistan was a win for Biden*. All of those deaths and bloodshed and the instability of the region ever since are on the hands of every American who voted for Joe Biden* in 2020.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.

Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.

For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.

And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.

So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?

I don't want to monopolize the thread.

Take your time, tell me what you think.

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That wasn't even a Biden* accomplishment. Trump got that ball rolling and would have done an excellent job completing it. Joe Biden* pulled out early and fucked everything up so bad that even polling by Lefty news outlets couldn't lie hard enough to pretend that Joe* ever recovered from that.

Don't even humor these goons and pretend that Afghanistan was a win for Biden*. All of those deaths and bloodshed and the instability of the region ever since are on the hands of every American who voted for Joe Biden* in 2020.

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It wasn't a win for Biden, it was a win for the USA, IMHO.

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SIX, since you waded in... you said some Repubs sucked.
Who?
On what issues?
And why do you think what they did was wrong?

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So, what was it about GWB that you hated so much?

The fact that he lied us into two expen$ive, prolonged, and ultimately counterproductive wars?

That he began the process of widespread warrantless surveillance by installing splitters into San Fran's AT&T comms servers?

That his admin and party had the so-called Patriot Act suspiciously written before 911?

That he was a meat puppet of Zionist neocons like Bolton, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith, and Perle?

That he "renditioned" and tortured "enemy combatants", breaking the normal laws of war?

That he failed New Orleans after Katrina?

Or something else?

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Oh right... What did Joe Biden* INDIRECTLY do for our country.

He fucked up the economy so bad that all the Venture Capital dried up completely. This lead to all the DEI departments and major corporations being disbanded with all the employees being laid off. Many movie/tv and video game critics lost their jobs. Movies, TV shows and video games have increased substantially in quality over the last year. Pride Month is essentially dead. The list goes on and on...

None of that would have been possible had Trump won a 2nd term and the economy wasn't a dumpster fire.

Thanks Joe*!



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Game Informer has just published a message revealing that it has been shut down by its parent company GameStop, the video game store turned meme stock.

In the message, Game Informer thanks its readers over its 33 years of existence, and I count myself among them. The message reads as follows:

“After 33 thrilling years of bringing you the latest news, reviews, and insights from the ever-evolving world of gaming, it is with a heavy heart that we announce the closure of Game Informer.


From the early days of pixelated adventures to today’s immersive virtual realms, we’ve been honored to share this incredible journey with you, our loyal readers. While our presses may stop, the passion for gaming that we’ve cultivated together will continue to live on.

The announcement was followed by the confirmation that yes, everyone at Game Informer has been laid off as of about noon today, with some staff not even aware of the news yet if they haven’t checked social media. Content Director Kyle Hilliard says they were 70% done with the next issue. As of now, GameStop itself has not publicly commented on the shutdown.

The writing may have been on the wall for quite some time as Game Informer kept cutting staff down to the bone, forcing perilously few people to produce a magazine and online content to compete with larger outlets. Currently, games media is some rough combination of:

Giant conglomerates like Ziff Davis/Gamurs scooping up loads of major and minor sites to try and better eat internet traffic.
Sites shutting down altogether.
A lucky few doing paid newsletters or sites independently.
Large mainstream outlets (like me) with a gaming section.

In short, it’s tough out there.

Game Informer was unique as a physical magazine, one sold through GameStop itself. GameStop has gone through bizarre transformations in the last years as it tries to survive as a physical game store in the digital world, which involves fewer games on the shelves and a lot more hardware and toys. Now, famously, GME has been the subject of meme stock legend, swinging wildly around since 2021 as amateur investors tried to get rich from it (and some did). I doubt today’s closure of Game Informer even registers there.

Some of my earliest gaming memories are of reading Game Informer alongside whatever I was playing at the time, and over time, the editors began to feel like friends I knew. It was bizarre twenty years later when I was able to start chatting with a few of them online, now in the industry myself. It remains my fondest memory of any form of gaming journalism, and those who were left deserved better than what GameStop had given them these last years. It will be missed, deeply.

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I have no idea where you are going with this.

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I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.

I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?

You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

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I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Your post is confusing.

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JSF: You use dishonestly vague terms like Dem and Rep, but then say President, and then after 2018.
So you are really asking about Trump and Biden, it seems.

Biden:
The casual observer would point out that, due to Bidenflation, 2024 showed the record high prices for Gold in May or April. (I have not confirmed this). Same for Stock Market - even though the Dow is only worth about 35K in Trump-era dollars, in Biden Bucks it counts up over 40K. This sorta ignores the negative effects of Bidenflation.

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Otherwise, every achievement that Biden has accrued has been a monumental success, depending upon your viewpoint.
The primary goals of President "My Boss" Obama, the other Democraps, Libtards, as well as Lord Darth Obiden, have been to destroy America,

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JSF: so everything Biden has done has been a rousing success. Including all of the wars that Obama has worked so hard on. Gifting $Billion of high-tech military hardware and weapons to Afghanistan, ISIL, Syria, Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthies, Lebanon, is merely one good example. Exiting Afghanistan without planning was horrible for America and the world, but great for Team My Boss.

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Republicans:
I will start with the largest failure in American history, the Ending of Constitutional America.
Abdicator-in-Chief Mike Pence refuse to perform his Constitutional Duties and Responsibilities on January 6th. 240 years of following The Constitution even in the same circumstances many times before, went up in smoke when he was too confused to read The Constitution and perform his duties. Perhaps worse, he still has not a clue that what he did was Unconstitutional, or that he was outright wrong.

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JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

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Drain The Swamp. This does include ordering the withdrawal of troops, which caused Obamabot ISIL/Afghan Envoy McGurk to resing in protest - then his replacement Jim Jeffrey just ignored the orders to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan, just lying to anybody who asked. Reducing troops from about 45,000 to 3,000 was not enough.

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Keystone Pipeline. Didn't push it hard enough to get it done.

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JSF: Border Wall. Wasn't completed.

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JSF: Ejecting Deep State.

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Fauci. And his Lockdowns.

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JSF: Success. Exposing the obviousness of Fake News. Fake Politicians.
Energy Prices
Economy
Stock market
Unemployment
Warp Speed provided CHOICES for those who wanted to be Vaxxed - Trump have nothing to do with FORCED JABS, that was the next clown.
Less Wars, ending of many, Peace breaking out all over.
Tax Cuts producing record-breaking Revenue
Appointing Constitutional Justices to SCOTUS
Lowest Illegal Aliens
Worldwide belligerant behaving

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Your post is confusing.

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JSF: You use dishonestly vague terms like Dem and Rep, but then say President, and then after 2018.
So you are really asking about Trump and Biden, it seems.

Biden:
The casual observer would point out that, due to Bidenflation, 2024 showed the record high prices for Gold in May or April. (I have not confirmed this). Same for Stock Market - even though the Dow is only worth about 35K in Trump-era dollars, in Biden Bucks it counts up over 40K. This sorta ignores the negative effects of Bidenflation.

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So, inflation is bad. Do you feel the same about more modest inflation rates, say 1%? Or is it just when it goes out if control? And I understand that inflation means that your currency is being devalued... it definitely discourages savings and promotes consumption... is there anything wrong with that? If so, why?
Not a "gotcha" question, just wanting to understand.

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JSF: Ejecting Deep State.

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I guess not the same as The Swamp. Where do you draw the line between?

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Fauci. And his Lockdowns.

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My memory is hazy. I know Trump tried to restrict international travel. But weren't lockdowns state by state? You probably know better than me.

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JSF: Success. Exposing the obviousness of Fake News. Fake Politicians.
Energy Prices
Economy
Stock market
Unemployment
Warp Speed provided CHOICES for those who wanted to be Vaxxed - Trump have nothing to do with FORCED JABS, that was the next clown.
Less Wars, ending of many, Peace breaking out all over.
Tax Cuts producing record-breaking Revenue
Appointing Constitutional Justices to SCOTUS
Lowest Illegal Aliens
Worldwide belligerant behaving

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I think I got most of these.
:thumbsup:

You have a vision of America. From your statements I will try to synthesize what this ll means, and you can tellme where I'm wrong. Gotta do dishes. Later.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Your post is confusing.

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Yes it is. Sorry.

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JSF: You use dishonestly vague terms like Dem and Rep, but then say President, and then after 2018.
So you are really asking about Trump and Biden, it seems.

Biden:
The casual observer would point out that, due to Bidenflation, 2024 showed the record high prices for Gold in May or April. (I have not confirmed this). Same for Stock Market - even though the Dow is only worth about 35K in Trump-era dollars, in Biden Bucks it counts up over 40K. This sorta ignores the negative effects of Bidenflation.

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So, inflation is bad. Do you feel the same about more modest inflation rates, say 1%? Or is it just when it goes out if control? And I understand that inflation means that your currency is being devalued... it definitely discourages savings and promotes consumption... is there anything wrong with that? If so, why?
Not a "gotcha" question, just wanting to understand.

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Otherwise, every achievement that Biden has accrued has been a monumental success, depending upon your viewpoint.
The primary goals of President "My Boss" Obama, the other Democraps, Libtards, as well as Lord Darth Obiden, have been to destroy America,

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Which means... what? Open the borders? De-industrialize? Destroy the family?

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shred the Constitution -

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Aside from our Bill of Rights, the Constitution devolves many powers to the states. Is it these parts of the Constitution you're concerned about? Or something else? And what should be done to correct the situation?

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JSF: so everything Biden has done has been a rousing success. Including all of the wars that Obama has worked so hard on. Gifting $Billion of high-tech military hardware and weapons to Afghanistan, ISIL, Syria, Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthies, Lebanon, is merely one good example. Exiting Afghanistan without planning was horrible for America and the world, but great for Team My Boss.

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Are you mainly concerned with the arming of enemies and terror groups? With wars in general?
Inquiring minds want to know!

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Republicans:
I will start with the largest failure in American history, the Ending of Constitutional America.
Abdicator-in-Chief Mike Pence refuse to perform his Constitutional Duties and Responsibilities on January 6th. 240 years of following The Constitution even in the same circumstances many times before, went up in smoke when he was too confused to read The Constitution and perform his duties. Perhaps worse, he still has not a clue that what he did was Unconstitutional, or that he was outright wrong.

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Not aware of the part of the Constitution that he violated. Can you tell me which part?

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JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

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Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

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Drain The Swamp. This does include ordering the withdrawal of troops, which caused Obamabot ISIL/Afghan Envoy McGurk to resing in protest - then his replacement Jim Jeffrey just ignored the orders to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan, just lying to anybody who asked. Reducing troops from about 45,000 to 3,000 was not enough.

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The Swamp is so big!!! State Dept? DHS?

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Keystone Pipeline. Didn't push it hard enough to get it done.

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And this was to ... make America energy independent?

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JSF: Border Wall. Wasn't completed.

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And yet, Trump throttled illegal immigration back quite a bit. More than one way to skin a cat?

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JSF: Ejecting Deep State.

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I guess not the same as The Swamp. Where do you draw the line between?

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Fauci. And his Lockdowns.

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My memory is hazy. I know Trump tried to restrict international travel. But weren't lockdowns state by state? You probably know better than me.

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JSF: Success. Exposing the obviousness of Fake News. Fake Politicians.
Energy Prices
Economy
Stock market
Unemployment
Warp Speed provided CHOICES for those who wanted to be Vaxxed - Trump have nothing to do with FORCED JABS, that was the next clown.
Less Wars, ending of many, Peace breaking out all over.
Tax Cuts producing record-breaking Revenue
Appointing Constitutional Justices to SCOTUS
Lowest Illegal Aliens
Worldwide belligerant behaving

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I think I got most of these.
:thumbsup:

You have a vision of America. From your statements I will try to synthesize what this ll means, and you can tellme where I'm wrong. Gotta do dishes. Later.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Your post is confusing.

SIGNY: Yes it is. Sorry.

JSF: You use dishonestly vague terms like Dem and Rep, but then say President, and then after 2018.
So you are really asking about Trump and Biden, it seems.

Biden:
The casual observer would point out that, due to Bidenflation, 2024 showed the record high prices for Gold in May or April. (I have not confirmed this). Same for Stock Market - even though the Dow is only worth about 35K in Trump-era dollars, in Biden Bucks it counts up over 40K. This sorta ignores the negative effects of Bidenflation.

SIGNY: So, inflation is bad. Do you feel the same about more modest inflation rates, say 1%? Or is it just when it goes out if control? And I understand that inflation means that your currency is being devalued... it definitely discourages savings and promotes consumption... is there anything wrong with that? If so, why?
Not a "gotcha" question, just wanting to understand.


JSF: Otherwise, every achievement that Biden has accrued has been a monumental success, depending upon your viewpoint.
The primary goals of President "My Boss" Obama, the other Democraps, Libtards, as well as Lord Darth Obiden, have been to destroy America

SIGNY: Which means... what? Open the borders? De-industrialize? Destroy the family?

JSF: shred the Constitution -

SIGNY: Aside from our Bill of Rights, the Constitution devolves many powers to the states. Is it these parts of the Constitution you're concerned about? Or something else? And what should be done to correct the situation?

JSF: so everything Biden has done has been a rousing success. Including all of the wars that Obama has worked so hard on. Gifting $Billion of high-tech military hardware and weapons to Afghanistan, ISIL, Syria, Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthies, Lebanon, is merely one good example. Exiting Afghanistan without planning was horrible for America and the world, but great for Team My Boss.

SIGNY: Are you mainly concerned with the arming of enemies and terror groups? With wars in general?
Inquiring minds want to know!


JSF: Republicans:
I will start with the largest failure in American history, the Ending of Constitutional America.
Abdicator-in-Chief Mike Pence refuse to perform his Constitutional Duties and Responsibilities on January 6th. 240 years of following The Constitution even in the same circumstances many times before, went up in smoke when he was too confused to read The Constitution and perform his duties. Perhaps worse, he still has not a clue that what he did was Unconstitutional, or that he was outright wrong.

SIGNY: Not aware of the part of the Constitution that he violated. Can you tell me which part?

JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

JSF: Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

. . .

JSF: I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy.

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JSF: But let us pretend for a minute that you can conceive of the concept of a balanced budget. This means spending less dollars than were collected, planning to spend less than realistically expected to collect. Most years like this would result in Surplus Budget - thus reducing the Federal Debt - and perhaps occasionally spending slightly more due to unforseen circumstances - not as a matter of practice.

In this version of yourself, how do you see the Surplus Budget happening?
When? What plan? What circumstances?
Such a reasoned, sensible version of yourself cannot see the the EASIEST time for a Surplus Budget is when we have the record high revenues collected, as when Trump had them resulting from his tax cuts? If not during record high revenue collections, then when better to have a Surplus Budget?
During years of austerity? Are you insane?
Explain to us When a Surplus Budget should be occurring if not during years of greater revenue collections than any other time in our history.

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Drain The Swamp. This does include ordering the withdrawal of troops, which caused Obamabot ISIL/Afghan Envoy McGurk to resing in protest - then his replacement Jim Jeffrey just ignored the orders to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan, just lying to anybody who asked. Reducing troops from about 45,000 to 3,000 was not enough.

SIGNY: The Swamp is so big!!! State Dept? DHS?

JSF: Keystone Pipeline. Didn't push it hard enough to get it done.

SIGNY: And this was to ... make America energy independent?

JSF: Border Wall. Wasn't completed.

SIGNY: And yet, Trump throttled illegal immigration back quite a bit. More than one way to skin a cat?

JSF: Ejecting Deep State.

SIGNY: I guess not the same as The Swamp. Where do you draw the line between?

JSF: Fauci. And his Lockdowns.

SIGNY: My memory is hazy. I know Trump tried to restrict international travel. But weren't lockdowns state by state? You probably know better than me.

JSF: Success. Exposing the obviousness of Fake News. Fake Politicians.
Energy Prices
Economy
Stock market
Unemployment
Warp Speed provided CHOICES for those who wanted to be Vaxxed - Trump have nothing to do with FORCED JABS, that was the next clown.
Less Wars, ending of many, Peace breaking out all over.
Tax Cuts producing record-breaking Revenue
Appointing Constitutional Justices to SCOTUS
Lowest Illegal Aliens
Worldwide belligerant behaving


SIGNY: I think I got most of these.
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You have a vision of America. From your statements I will try to synthesize what this ll means, and you can tellme where I'm wrong. Gotta do dishes. Later.

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I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.



JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

JSF: Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

. . .

JSF: I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy.

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JSF: But let us pretend for a minute that you can conceive of the concept of a balanced budget. This means spending less dollars than were collected, planning to spend less than realistically expected to collect. Most years like this would result in Surplus Budget - thus reducing the Federal Debt - and perhaps occasionally spending slightly more due to unforseen circumstances - not as a matter of practice.

In this version of yourself, how do you see the Surplus Budget happening?
When? What plan? What circumstances?
Such a reasoned, sensible version of yourself cannot see the the EASIEST time for a Surplus Budget is when we have the record high revenues collected, as when Trump had them resulting from his tax cuts? If not during record high revenue collections, then when better to have a Surplus Budget?
During years of austerity? Are you insane?
Explain to us When a Surplus Budget should be occurring if not during years of greater revenue collections than any other time in our history.

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I think we should first cut blatant waste, and I classify at least half of military and most of spook spending as money destined to go into somebody's pocket. Along with our bloated State Dept.

And there is a tremendous bureaucracy encrusted around DC. One that comes to mind is the HUD. I'm surd there are more.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.



JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

SIGNY: Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

. . .

JSF: I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy.

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Huh?

Huh???

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JSF: But let us pretend for a minute that you can conceive of the concept of a balanced budget. This means spending less dollars than were collected, planning to spend less than realistically expected to collect. Most years like this would result in Surplus Budget - thus reducing the Federal Debt - and perhaps occasionally spending slightly more due to unforseen circumstances - not as a matter of practice.

In this version of yourself, how do you see the Surplus Budget happening?
When? What plan? What circumstances?
Such a reasoned, sensible version of yourself cannot see the the EASIEST time for a Surplus Budget is when we have the record high revenues collected, as when Trump had them resulting from his tax cuts? If not during record high revenue collections, then when better to have a Surplus Budget?
During years of austerity? Are you insane?
Explain to us When a Surplus Budget should be occurring if not during years of greater revenue collections than any other time in our history.

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I think we should first cut blatant waste,

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In FY 2023, the federal government spent $6.13 trillion and collected $4.44 trillion in revenue, resulting in a deficit.

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FWIW ... no, I'm not a libertarian. Having looked at many economic and political systemz, I've come to realize that ANY system can be, and has been, corrupted. Libertatianism, IMHO, corrupts faster than most because there are no moral, legal, or practical limits to it. In order for libertarianism to function as I think it's supposed to, there must be healthy competition among relatively small economic units.

But POWER AND WEALTH CONCENTRATE. They don't disperse, they behave gravitationally... the more you have, the more you get. Power and wealth concentrate into fewer and fewer hands until you have the USA today... an oligarchy.

If a government has any function under libertarianism, aside from defending the borders and setting the general laws of society ... I imagine it would be to enforce competition. Unfortunately, since the one thing most businesses hate is competition, big businesses have the money and influence to continue monopolizing more and more.

It's a conundrum.

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