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The hosts of this podcast from "The Bulwark" -- a website founded by Never Trump Republicans now supporting Harris -- discuss the vice president's speech this week at the Ellipse and how delighted they are that the "Neocons have taken over the Democratic Party."

Sarah Longwell spoke about how she liked to hear Kamala Harris speaking like a hawk on foreign policy and immigration: "I think it's amazing when you get 75,000 presumably libs on the Ellipse, and she's like, 'We're gonna have the most lethal fighting force!' And people are like, yeah! And she's like, 'And we're gonna secure the border!' And people are like, yeah! We are just gonna be leaders in the world and we're not gonna let these guys push us around! Man, the world has really changed."

Jonathan Last commented, wryly putting his little finger to his mouth like Dr. Evil: "Did the Neo-cons just take over the Democratic Party?


"Don't," Tim Miller, a Jeb Bush campaign communications staffer turned MSNBC regular, replied. "Don't say that."

"Yeah, don't say it," agreed Sarah Longwell. "But I will say she's leaning into, I'm going mainstream."

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