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River Theory

POSTED BY: SIGMANUNKI
UPDATED: Sunday, November 7, 2004 11:37
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Tuesday, November 2, 2004 12:54 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Ok, I realize that this has probably been stated before, but I would think that since I've been on these forums for some time and haven't seen it brought up, I'd bring it up. Especially for those that want something else to talk about besides political stuff (I'm know I'm politic'd out right now).


I've been thinking about a possible connection between River and the Blue Hands Men.

River was in the middle of her "treatments" and as such would have been "unfinished work." What if the Blue Sun Corp. was turning these super intellegent youths into Blue Hands (Wo)Men?

We all know that Blue Sun is extremely powerful corp. and pretty much a government unto itself. But, every corp. always wants more. More power, more money, etc.

Would it not be nice (if you were Blue Sun) to have an army of super intellegent people that can kill with there brains? And with the resources of the Blue Sun corp. they probably could've made a good run at it. Or possibly they were for the military still in the testing phase?


And one other thing (ignore it if it's too out there ). What if that rod like "weapon" that the Blue Hands men carried wasn't really a weapon? What if it really was more of an amplification device that really allowed them to kill with there brains? Or at least allowed them to have an area effect, spend less energy doing it, etc?


Anyway, just some of my thoughts.

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Tuesday, November 2, 2004 1:58 PM

EBONEZER


I think thats exactly the theory I've had running around in my brain for a long time now.

YOu just put it into words really well.

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Tuesday, November 2, 2004 2:16 PM

THESHRIKE


Better yet, what if she's a prototype of an advanced version of the blue hands villans, who was rescued before the Blue Sun corporation could mentally condition her to the point where she is under their complete control.

Or an advanced version of the reavers.

Two by two, hands of blue
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Tuesday, November 2, 2004 3:07 PM

SIGMANUNKI


@ebonezer
Cool, thanks. It's nice to know I'm not the only one that's had this thought


@TheShrike
I would think (as well) that if indeed this is the case, they would've improved the process and as such she would've been a sort of version 2.0.

But I would think that more than mental conditioning would be required as she's just too unstable in general. Probably more surgeries needed as well. Though, I'm sure that mental conditioning would certainly be a part of the process. Gotta maintain that loyalty


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Tuesday, November 2, 2004 4:28 PM

SIGMANUNKI


@TheShrike
Hm, I don't know if I'd say that River is an advanced form of Reaver. To me, that seems as though Reavers were intended.

Maybe the *first* Reavers were failed attempts at making Blue Hands (wo)men and they were exiled (or escaped) from the core planets.

Since they would've been quite smart people, maybe the Reavers figured out a way to make "norms" like them to "pro-create".

And/Or maybe the proceedure to create a Blue Hands Wo)Man is extremely stressful and many just become insane and are exiled (escape).

One of these might be one the reasons why Reavers stay away from the core, on the fringe of civilized space.

Also not killing them and sending them out to the fringe would keep the people on the fringe (those browncoats) afraid. It is known that scared people are more controllable, and as such, less likely to have a second uprising.

Anyway, sorry for the partial non-linear post. Thinking with my fingers

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Wednesday, November 3, 2004 2:32 AM

TRASK43


Some good theories here, Ive always thought that the whole thing could all be interlinked. Reavers-Blue hands-River(Blue Hands 2.0) It'll be interesting to see if any of these were right after we've seen serenity.

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Wednesday, November 3, 2004 3:09 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


SigmaNunki wrote:
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And one other thing (ignore it if it's too out there ). What if that rod like "weapon" that the Blue Hands men carried wasn't really a weapon? What if it really was more of an amplification device that really allowed them to kill with there brains? Or at least allowed them to have an area effect, spend less energy doing it, etc?


I had had thoughts along this line as well SigmaNuki. Seems to me that they devise would more likely be some sort of amplifier for whatever mind powers the Blue Hands have, more so than simply a weapon itself.

I think it very likely that the Academy is some sort of screening/training center for potential candidates for the Blue Hands. I don't really think it is a military operation.


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Wednesday, November 3, 2004 6:12 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

I don't really think it is a military operation.



Not nessassarily a military op. But, it could be a military contract for some R&D.

But then again, I would lean toward Blue Sun wanting some special agents themselves. Something that would garrentee results

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Wednesday, November 3, 2004 6:18 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by trask43:

It'll be interesting to see if any of these were right after we've seen serenity.



Indeed Only 170 days, only 170 days...

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Friday, November 5, 2004 8:37 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


not long to go now

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Friday, November 5, 2004 9:25 PM

SEXCHICKEN


I'm sure the blue rod thing was just some advanced form of a Q-tip. Ear hygiene is a big deal in the future.

But of course it's possible it could be used to crush brains instead...

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 4:49 PM

SHANYU


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Ok, I realize that this has probably been stated before, but I would think that since I've been on these forums for some time and haven't seen it brought up, I'd bring it up. Especially for those that want something else to talk about besides political stuff (I'm know I'm politic'd out right now).


I've been thinking about a possible connection between River and the Blue Hands Men.

River was in the middle of her "treatments" and as such would have been "unfinished work." What if the Blue Sun Corp. was turning these super intellegent youths into Blue Hands (Wo)Men?

We all know that Blue Sun is extremely powerful corp. and pretty much a government unto itself. But, every corp. always wants more. More power, more money, etc.

Would it not be nice (if you were Blue Sun) to have an army of super intellegent people that can kill with there brains? And with the resources of the Blue Sun corp. they probably could've made a good run at it. Or possibly they were for the military still in the testing phase?


And one other thing (ignore it if it's too out there ). What if that rod like "weapon" that the Blue Hands men carried wasn't really a weapon? What if it really was more of an amplification device that really allowed them to kill with there brains? Or at least allowed them to have an area effect, spend less energy doing it, etc?


Anyway, just some of my thoughts.

----
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show





I know there seems to be an obvious connection between blue sun - Blue hands - and the allaince but i dont think there is a connection because if blue sun was connected to teh alliance than jayne wouldnt be wearing blue sun t-shirts and mal wouldnt let blue sun t-shirts on his ship because he despises the allaince.

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 4:51 PM

SHANYU


Quote:

Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:

Originally posted by trask43:

It'll be interesting to see if any of these were right after we've seen serenity.



Indeed Only 170 days, only 170 days...

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show




didnt i hear in a joss whedon interview that they're not putting blue sun into the serenity movie??? there getting rid of it all together???

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 8:57 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by ShanYu:

I know there seems to be an obvious connection between blue sun - Blue hands - and the allaince but i dont think there is a connection because if blue sun was connected to teh alliance than jayne wouldnt be wearing blue sun t-shirts and mal wouldnt let blue sun t-shirts on his ship because he despises the allaince.



Actually, Blue Sun is the corporate entity. So, where else is someone going to get... anything. It pretty much is that if you want something, it's Blue Sun that makes it. So, whether you like it or not, it just a fact of life.

And if you think about the corps we have now adays. There are those that have there fingers in military contracts and others that want ther fingers in military contracts (or just some for of the government for that matter). So, if there is basically only one corp around you'd be guarenteed to have it involved with the gov at multiple levels. It's just the way of the world.

EDIT: For spelling and to mention that quoting posts like you have is considered inconsiderate to those on dial up. Please only quote what is relavent to your reply. If it is a general reply that most use a @ShanYu at the begining to let one know who they are replying to. Thanks in advance.

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 9:15 PM

SIGMANUNKI


Quote:

Originally posted by ShanYu:

didnt i hear in a joss whedon interview that they're not putting blue sun into the serenity movie??? there getting rid of it all together???



From what I've heard, he's going to tell the story that couldn't be told because the show got cancelled. This would contradict that since Blue Sun was such an integrel part of the Universe.

Can anyone else confirm or deny?

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Sunday, November 7, 2004 4:16 AM

POTEMKINVILLAGER


"Which on-going plot strands from the show had to be dropped from the movie?
The involvement of Blue Sun in the 'Big Mystery'"

From the SFX interview with Joss Whedon. Seems pretty straightforward. Must mean River's character evolves beyond tearing logos off of canned goods and cutting up T-shirts.

Well, that and the slight problem of alienating financial backers for your movie/TV show by suggesting a strong anti-corporate stance. River's abilities have to be channelled away from potitical context.

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Sunday, November 7, 2004 11:02 AM

SIGMANUNKI


Could you post a link to the interview?

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Sunday, November 7, 2004 11:37 AM

POTEMKINVILLAGER


http://www.fireflyfans.net/news.asp?newsid=543

Been sitting at the top of the news menu on the homepage here, since September. Which makes it kind of odd that I noticed it...

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