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Where are the Extraterrestrial Civilizations

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Friday, February 5, 2021 6:55 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5253

To cut to the chase, Robin is trying to explain the famous Fermi Paradox: why, after 60+ years of looking, and despite the periodic excitement around Tabby’s star and ‘Oumuamua and the like, have we not seen a single undisputed sign of an extraterrestrial civilization? Why all this nothing, even though the observable universe is vast, even though (as we now know) organic molecules and planets in Goldilocks zones are everywhere, and even though there have been billions of years for aliens someplace to get a technological head start on us, expanding across a galaxy to the point where they’re easily seen?

Robin proposes, plausibly I think, that if you give a technological civilization 10 million or so years — i.e., an eyeblink on cosmological timescales — then either

1) the civilization wipes itself out, or else

2) it reaches some relatively quiet steady state, or else

3) if it’s serious about spreading widely, then it “maxes out” the technology with which to do so, approaching the limits set by physical law.

In cases 1 or 2, the civilization will of course be hard for us to detect, unless it happens to be close by. But what about case 3? There, Robin says, the “civilization” should look from the outside like a sphere expanding at nearly the speed of light, transforming everything in its path.

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Friday, February 5, 2021 11:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


50/50.

They could very well be among us right now. The stuff of Sci-Fi horror where the lizard people have all the powerful positions in the world and herd us like sheep.

If they were to have advanced to the point where making a trip here were even possible beyond just sending some probes for data, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to think they could shape shift or somehow otherwise mask their presence from us while hiding right out in the open. Until we had a chance to reverse engineer their technology, even just the means of carrying life here would seem like magic to us.


But there's no reason to buy into any of that like some of the crazies do. Humans suck enough to do what we do to ourselves without any outside influences.


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3) if it’s serious about spreading widely, then it “maxes out” the technology with which to do so, approaching the limits set by physical law.

In cases 1 or 2, the civilization will of course be hard for us to detect, unless it happens to be close by. But what about case 3? There, Robin says, the “civilization” should look from the outside like a sphere expanding at nearly the speed of light, transforming everything in its path.



I see no reason why there actually needs to be any limits set by physical law.

I'm in no way convinced that any of the theories or even laws we have in Science today are correct. Sure... we've learned to do a lot in a record amount of time for our species in the last 100 years, but you can make a lot of things "work" by accident, without knowing exactly why they do work. And we have a long history on the books about being wrong about nearly everything up to this point.



I can't find the video I watched a few weeks ago, but there seems to be quite a few of them by different creators now. Just do a search with "relativity" and "quantum mechanics" or "quantum physics". They're in the process of looking for a "missing link" theory to bridge everything, since what we think we know is apparently wrong.




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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:11 PM

WISHIMAY


I dunno where they iz, but I could really use a ride outta here.




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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


We know. You're so oppressed.


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Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:27 PM

WISHIMAY


There are just waaay too many stupid assholes on this planet, wouldn't you agree, Second?






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Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Woe is you.


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Sunday, February 14, 2021 9:47 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
There are just waaay too many stupid assholes on this planet, wouldn't you agree, Second?

There is an article that takes an oblique look at that question: What Happens If China Makes First Contact?
https://web.archive.org/web/20210213215429/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2017/12/what-happens-if-china-makes-first-contact/544131
/

I added a few words to the conclusion of the article to make it clear what the role is for Trumptards:

Burdened by the enormous mass of Trumptards, America has turned away from searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, while China has built the world’s largest radio dish for precisely that purpose.

Secular humanists won’t be spared a sobering intellectual reckoning with first contact. Copernicus removed Earth from the center of the universe, and Darwin yanked humans down into the muck with the rest of the animal kingdom. But even within this framework, human beings, especially Trumptards, have continued to regard ourselves as nature’s pinnacle. We have continued treating “lower” creatures with great cruelty. We have marveled that existence itself was authored in such a way as to generate, from the simplest materials and axioms, beings like us. We have flattered ourselves that we are, in the words of Carl Sagan, “the universe’s way of knowing itself.” These are secular ways of saying Trumptards are made in the image of God, which is a joke, since Trumptards are made in the image of Trump.

We may be humbled to one day find ourselves joined, across the distance of stars, to a more ancient web of minds, fellow travelers in the long journey of time. We may receive from them an education in the real history of civilizations, young, old, and extinct. We may be introduced to galactic-scale artworks, borne of million-year traditions. We may be asked to participate in scientific observations that can be carried out only by multiple civilizations, separated by hundreds of light-years. Observations of this scope may disclose aspects of nature that we cannot now fathom. We may come to know a new metaphysics. If we’re lucky, we will come to know a new ethics. We’ll emerge from our existential shock feeling newly alive to our shared humanity. The first light to reach us in this dark forest may illuminate our home world too.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 14, 2021 9:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Gross. lol


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Monday, February 15, 2021 12:07 AM

WISHIMAY


Crawl back to RWED and talk to yourself and the other Nazi's some more, freak.




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Monday, February 15, 2021 12:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


No such thing as Nazis in 2021, Nilbog.




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Monday, February 15, 2021 1:55 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No such thing as Nazis in 2021, Nilbog.




Don't have to have loaded a Jew into an oven to be a Nazi, just marginalize their existence like a good lil' sympathizer and it makes you one!

Presto Chango, you're a Derango!





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Monday, February 15, 2021 8:20 AM

THG


Excuse me. We are an extraterrestrial civilization to other planets are we not? When you look at the vastness of the Universe, only arrogance would allow us to believe the knowledge we have suggests anything other than life exists elsewhere.

T



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Monday, February 15, 2021 10:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No such thing as Nazis in 2021, Nilbog.




Don't have to have loaded a Jew into an oven to be a Nazi, just marginalize their existence like a good lil' sympathizer and it makes you one!

Presto Chango, you're a Derango!







Okay then. Show me one single time where I've done so.

I'll show you many, many, many instances of Democrat politicians and bureaucrats as well as left leaning Hollywood types who have done so.



It's gross how easily you are manipulated by the media. I've never heard you even bring up the word Jewish before, yet this is the third time in 24 hours since it's in the media cycle.




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Monday, February 15, 2021 10:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Excuse me. We are an extraterrestrial civilization to other planets are we not? When you look at the vastness of the Universe, only arrogance would allow us to believe the knowledge we have suggests anything other than life exists elsewhere.

T





100% in agreement with that notion.

For me, the real question is if we'll ever get in contact with anyone. Mostly for the reasons that Second laid out in the OP.


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Monday, February 15, 2021 2:52 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


Okay then. Show me one single time where I've done so.





"No such thing as Nazis in 2021, Nilbog."

DONE!







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Monday, February 15, 2021 2:56 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


It's gross how easily I sit around whining on the internets about benefits FOR YEARS
and bragging about how I am just too darn pretty to work an actual job. I might chip a nail or something...




FIFY, INCEL




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Monday, February 15, 2021 4:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


Okay then. Show me one single time where I've done so.





"No such thing as Nazis in 2021, Nilbog."

DONE!






Wrong. They don't exist in 2021.

I'm asking you to provide proof where I've said anything antisemitic, or otherwise engaged in ACTUAL Nazi behavior.


I'm not talking about your gross Twitter-Lefty-Fantasyland BS.

You won't find any, but be my guest and knock yourself out. It might give you something to keep you out of trouble while being snowed in.




Oh, and here's a hint: If you mention Trump, you already lose.

Meanwhile, you insult Jewish people every time you call me a Nazi.


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Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:45 AM

THG


Harvard professor says it's folly to discount extraterrestrial life

A quarter of all known stars in the universe are thought to host a 'perfect planet' — one the same size and temperature as Earth. There are approximately a 'zetta' of them ... that's a trillion billions — a one with 21 zeroes after it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/harvard-professor-says-it-s-
folly-to-discount-extraterrestrial-life/ar-BB1dI7Ja?ocid=msedgntp


T


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Tuesday, February 16, 2021 3:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't think anybody here is saying that extraterrestrial life doesn't exist.

I don't mean to speak for anybody else who's posted in this thread, so speak up if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that there is a near nil chance that any civilization would become so technologically advanced that they could safely engage in interstellar travel yet manage not to have already suffered an extinction level event... either by their own hands or a fluke accident.


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Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:41 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Short and morbidly funny story: The Fermi Paradox Is Our Business Model

www.tor.com/2010/08/11/the-fermi-paradox-is-our-business-model/



The extraterrestrial junk collectors survey Earth. “It’s just so . . . tasty-looking,” Jon sighed. “I mean, look at it. It’s perfect. Gases, radioactive materials, refined metals, all just sitting there. How dare they still be alive?”

“That’s not supposed to happen.”

“We could sit here and wait for them to die, which might only take a few hundred years.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 15, 2021 4:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I am forgetting the details.

For each of these Goldilocks planets, are each of their Suns expanding, like ours is?
Then the window of opportunity/expansion is further limited by how soon their home planet gets enveloped by their Sun.
Are all of these Suns the same size? The same stage in their development? When Earth is too hot, won't Mars become a Goldilocks?


Or are their some Suns with Goldilocks planets which do not have a similar development process where they will continue to expand, thereby consuming their nearest planets.
Also, do each of these Solar Systems also have an unstable 5th planet which may break up into an asteroid belt, providing further statistical likelihood of an asteroid impact Extinction Level Event?


I can accept that extraterrestrial sentient beings may not have sensors similar to our eyes, or not able to naturally sense what we define as visual spectrum, or maybe not even have physical form as a being.
What if they visit us in purely non-physical form, such as humans do with Technical Remote Viewing? What if this is their whole life, their entire form of travel - like Out of Body Experience?

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Monday, April 19, 2021 8:35 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


How smart are we with all our pollution and wars

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Tuesday, April 20, 2021 8:32 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I don't think anybody here is saying that extraterrestrial life doesn't exist.

I don't mean to speak for anybody else who's posted in this thread, so speak up if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that there is a near nil chance that any civilization would become so technologically advanced that they could safely engage in interstellar travel yet manage not to have already suffered an extinction level event... either by their own hands or a fluke accident.



The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universe 13.8. That means there could be other civilizations out there billions of years older than ours. My bet is there is. Thank god the verse is full of what they need so they can ignore us.

T



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Tuesday, April 20, 2021 10:29 AM

THG


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Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I don't think anybody here is saying that extraterrestrial life doesn't exist.

I don't mean to speak for anybody else who's posted in this thread, so speak up if I'm wrong, but I think the point is that there is a near nil chance that any civilization would become so technologically advanced that they could safely engage in interstellar travel yet manage not to have already suffered an extinction level event... either by their own hands or a fluke accident.



The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universe 13.8. That means there could be other civilizations out there billions of years older than ours. My bet is there is. Thank god the verse is full of what they need so they can ignore us.

T





Like I said before, I'm not saying that there isn't life on other planets. Statistically speaking the chances that there aren't are almost nil.

But the chances that a civilization can evolve to the point of having technology that allows them to travel to other inhabited planets before they destroy themselves is also just about as small.



As for your cartoon above, it's the first one I've appreciated that you've posted.

I do get a laugh when we claim to have been the first to make something fly on Mars. Maybe a billion years ago there were helicopters all over mars like there is on Earth today.

But we know it all.



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Tuesday, April 20, 2021 4:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Like I said before, I'm not saying that there isn't life on other planets. Statistically speaking the chances that there aren't are almost nil.

But the chances that a civilization can evolve to the point of having technology that allows them to travel to other inhabited planets before they destroy themselves is also just about as small.



As for your cartoon above, it's the first one I've appreciated that you've posted.

I do get a laugh when we claim to have been the first to make something fly on Mars. Maybe a billion years ago there were helicopters all over mars like there is on Earth today.

But we know it all.

Are you familiar with The Face On Mars, topic by Richard C. Hoagland?

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Wednesday, April 21, 2021 8:53 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


The Fermi Paradox was mentioned on a podcast: Science, Fiction, and the Mind-Body Problem
https://meaningoflife.tv/videos/43435?in=45:03

Erik Hoel was the guest because he wrote a murder mystery, The Revelations, that involves solving the Mind-Body Problem. www.erikphoel.com

Hoel has a hypothesis about the Fermi Paradox and the Mind-Body Problem: When the Problem is truly and actually solved, it destroys civilizations. That means the Fermi Paradox is not a paradox after all.

Free download of The Revelations by Erik Hoel at
https://libgen.unblockit.club/fiction/?q=Erik+Hoel+Revelations


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 21, 2021 9:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you familiar with The Face On Mars, topic by Richard C. Hoagland?



No, but I really enjoyed the book Jesus on Mars by Philip José Farmer.



What does Hoagland have to say?

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Wednesday, April 21, 2021 4:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you familiar with The Face On Mars, topic by Richard C. Hoagland?

No, but I really enjoyed the book Jesus on Mars by Philip José Farmer.


What does Hoagland have to say?

He discusses prior civilizations and/or technology on Mars, which pre-date man's history (or current versions of history).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/hoagland-richard-c-5605/


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Friday, December 10, 2021 6:25 AM

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Friday, December 10, 2021 2:20 PM

THG



What do ya think SECOND? To an extraterrestrial, we are extraterrestrials.

T



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Saturday, December 11, 2021 4:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
What do ya think SECOND? To an extraterrestrial, we are extraterrestrials.

T

You so smart.
Terra = Earth. 3rd Planet orbiting Sol. 3rd Rock From the Sun.

Extraterrestrial = Not From Earth.

So you conjure that Aliens must think that Earth-bound Humans are Not From Earth.
You such a genius.

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Wednesday, December 15, 2021 2:00 AM

ANONYMOUSE


My own feeling is that the primary reason we've found no undeniable evidence is that we simply haven't been looking for long enough. We haven't found anything conclusive yet. We've only had the tech to do so for a hundred-odd years, which in cosmic terms is the blink of an eye.
We might be too late: any nearby civilisations might've destroyed themselves or each other by now, but they might be/have been, say, 300 light-years away, in which case we'd have to wait a while to see what happened.
They might not want us to know about them, shades of the Prime Directive. They might think we're not ready. They may be right.
They might have developed tight-beam and fibre-optic communications centuries ago, so they no longer broadcast openly as we still do - and we've missed their broadcasts as a result.
It's even possible that we have picked up something and simply failed to recognise it for what it was. We still don't know what the 'Wow!' signal was.
Fermi suffered from a distressing failure of imagination IMO. There could be any number of reasons we haven't found anything.
The least likely reason, though, is that we are alone. The Principle of Mediocrity seems to me a perfectly reasonable idea.

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Wednesday, December 15, 2021 4:30 PM

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Quote:

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https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5253

To cut to the chase, Robin is trying to explain the famous Fermi Paradox: why, after 60+ years of looking, and despite the periodic excitement around Tabby’s star and ‘Oumuamua and the like, have we not seen a single undisputed sign of an extraterrestrial civilization? Why all this nothing, even though the observable universe is vast, even though (as we now know) organic molecules and planets in Goldilocks zones are everywhere, and even though there have been billions of years for aliens someplace to get a technological head start on us, expanding across a galaxy to the point where they’re easily seen?

Robin proposes, plausibly I think, that if you give a technological civilization 10 million or so years — i.e., an eyeblink on cosmological timescales — then either

1) the civilization wipes itself out, or else

2) it reaches some relatively quiet steady state, or else

3) if it’s serious about spreading widely, then it “maxes out” the technology with which to do so, approaching the limits set by physical law.

In cases 1 or 2, the civilization will of course be hard for us to detect, unless it happens to be close by. But what about case 3? There, Robin says, the “civilization” should look from the outside like a sphere expanding at nearly the speed of light, transforming everything in its path.

Regarding number 3, if they were spreading out, expanding, it would be in all directions.
Every direction is far more than even that foretold in Firefly, which was one direction. Earth is not even able to monitor in every direction even the minimal distance to detect Earth impact objects, enough to know in advancewhat will hit us.
The further distance we look out, the search area is cubed. Even if we are an overpopulated planet, expansion whittles down our density real fast.

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Saturday, December 18, 2021 10:48 AM

THG






Forgive me if this has been pointed out before; consider this. When you look into the night sky you are looking into the past. Some of the starlight we see is billions of light years old because it has taken that long to reach us. It works both ways.

T



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Saturday, December 18, 2021 11:11 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
What do ya think SECOND? To an extraterrestrial, we are extraterrestrials.

T

You so smart.
Terra = Earth. 3rd Planet orbiting Sol. 3rd Rock From the Sun.

Extraterrestrial = Not From Earth.

So you conjure that Aliens must think that Earth-bound Humans are Not From Earth.
You such a genius.





And you are so dumb. What you suggest is that there is no comparable concept in our entire Universe. How you would you know this?

I would add; check out the multi verse theory, string theory. You’ll learn Astrophysicists believe it is possible Terra = Earth may exist in many other dimensions. You should be embarrassed by your unenlightened post rappy.



T



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Sunday, December 19, 2021 10:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted:
What do ya think SECOND? To an extraterrestrial, we are extraterrestrials.

T

You so smart.
Terra = Earth. 3rd Planet orbiting Sol. 3rd Rock From the Sun.

Extraterrestrial = Not From Earth.

So you conjure that Aliens must think that Earth-bound Humans are Not From Earth.
You such a genius.

And you are so dumb. What you suggest is that there is no comparable concept in our entire Universe. How you would you know this?
So you are saying that there are many planets in the universe which are named "Earth" or "Terra" then? Obviously that is the most obvious answer.
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I would add; check out the multi verse theory, string theory. You’ll learn Astrophysicists believe it is possible Terra = Earth may exist in many other dimensions. You should be embarrassed by your unenlightened post rappy.
T

So now you are saying that there are not any Aliens in our dimension, but only from other dimensions? You still such a genius.
I suspect there are many folk who would disagree with you that there are no other sentient beings in the universe besides residents of Earth.
No new Life.
No new civilizations.

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Portents of the unthinkable

https://countercurrents.org/2022/06/portents-of-the-unthinkable/

Planetary scientists suggest a solution to the Fermi paradox: Superlinear scaling leading to a singularity

https://phys.org/news/2022-05-planetary-scientists-solution-fermi-para
dox.html

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Portents of the unthinkable

https://countercurrents.org/2022/06/portents-of-the-unthinkable/

Planetary scientists suggest a solution to the Fermi paradox: Superlinear scaling leading to a singularity

https://phys.org/news/2022-05-planetary-scientists-solution-fermi-para
dox.html

I would not call this a "solution" to Where are the Extraterrestrial Civilizations. This so-called "solution" is: Assuming Extraterrestrials behave as humans do, they are doomed before their civilization gets large enough to be seen by humans on Earth. As expressed by Albert Einstein: “The splitting of the atom has changed everything bar man’s way of thinking and thus we drift into unparalleled catastrophes.”
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They began by studying how human civilizations rose and fell throughout history. Next, they studied the history of large cities, and there, too, they noticed that most grew to a certain point and then collapsed. They developed a hypothesis that suggested such rising and falling by alien space civilizations would lead to one of two scenarios. In the first, the civilization would come to realize they were growing too large and would cease traveling to or colonizing other worlds. In the second, they would not recognize their folly and would therefore collapse. From our perspective, both scenarios would have the same outcome—the aliens would not visit us, or even demonstrate evidence of their existence. The distance from them to us would be too far.

The researchers describe their hypothesis as superlinear scaling—where a civilization grows exponentially, colonizing other worlds until they became unable to sustain the energy demands of their constant encroachment. Eventually, if they did not take action, they would reach a singularity—a point of no return, at which they could not save their civilization from collapse. They note that were it not for the vast distances involved, we would likely easily spot evidence of an alien civilization on the point of collapse because it would be emitting enormous amounts of energy.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Was there an advanced civilization on Earth before humans?

Many scientists have long wondered: Is there intelligent life out in the deep reaches of space? But climate scientist Gavin Schmidt and astrophysicist Adam Frank have a different question: Was there intelligent life in the deep reaches of Earth’s history? Could we find evidence of an advanced non-human civilization that lived perhaps hundreds of millions of years ago, buried in Earth’s crust?

At the heart of it, Schmidt and Frank are asking: How likely is an intelligent life form on any planet — here or in the deepest reaches of space — to leave a mark, a sign that they existed? And for that matter: Hundreds of millions of years from now, will some alien explorers landing on Earth be able to find traces of humans if we’re long, long gone?

https://www.vox.com/unexplainable/23165702/space-scientific-mysteries-
venus-earth-mars-pluto-unexplainable-podcast


Lost Worlds: Aliens from Earth? Podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lost-worlds-aliens-from-earth/id
1554578197?i=1000565613233&ign-itscg=30200&ign-itsct=podcast_box_player



Further reading: The Silurian hypothesis: would it be possible to detect an industrial civilization in the geological record?
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-astro
biology/article/silurian-hypothesis-would-it-be-possible-to-detect-an-industrial-civilization-in-the-geological-record/77818514AA6907750B8F4339F7C70EC6


Abstract
If an industrial civilization had existed on Earth many millions of years prior to our own era, what traces would it have left and would they be detectable today? We summarize the likely geological fingerprint of the Anthropocene, and demonstrate that while clear, it will not differ greatly in many respects from other known events in the geological record. We then propose tests that could plausibly distinguish an industrial cause from an otherwise naturally occurring climate event.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, June 19, 2022 6:13 AM

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If aliens are calling, let it go to voicemail

Receiving signals from extraterrestrial civilizations could pose an existential risk. Really.

In the 1961 sci-fi drama A for Andromeda, written by the British cosmologist Fred Hoyle, a group of scientists running a radio telescope receive a signal originating from the Andromeda Nebula. They realize the message contains blueprints for the development of a highly advanced computer that generates a living organism called Andromeda.

Andromeda is quickly co-opted by the military for its technological skills, but the scientists discover that its true purpose — and that of the computer and the original signal from space — is to subjugate humanity and prepare the way for alien colonization.

No one gets eaten in A for Andromeda, but it’s chilling precisely because it outlines a scenario that some scientists believe could represent a real existential threat from outer space, one that takes advantage of the very curiosity that leads us to look to the stars. If highly advanced aliens really wanted to conquer Earth, the most effective way likely wouldn’t be through fleets of warships crossing the stellar vastness. It would be through information that could be sent far faster. Call it “cosmic malware.”

Intelligent extraterrestrials who want to hack our planet scenario became a bit easier to envision this week. On Wednesday, a story published in China’s state-backed Science and Technology Daily reported that the country’s giant Sky Eye radio telescope had picked up unusual signals from space. According to the piece, which cited the head of an extraterrestrial civilization search team that was launched in China in 2020, narrowband electromagnetic signals detected by the telescope differed from previous signals, and were in the process of being investigated.

The news is a reminder that there is little in the way of clear agreement about how the world should handle an authenticated message from an apparent alien civilization, or whether it can even be done safely.

The idea that there could be alien civilizations capable of crossing interstellar distances and showing up on our planetary doorstep beggars belief. But transmitting gigabytes of data across interstellar distances would be comparatively easy. After all, human beings have been doing a variation of that for decades through what is known as active messaging.

More at https://www.vox.com/2022/6/18/23172689/aliens-china-sky-eye-telescope-
existential-risk-seti


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NASA says its plan to bring Mars samples back to Earth is safe, but some people are worried

https://phys.org/news/2022-07-nasa-mars-samples-earth-safe.html

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