Pre-order the Serenity novel at Amazon by Succatash

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Pre-order the Serenity novel at Amazon

POSTED BY: SUCCATASH
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 18:46
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Saturday, November 6, 2004 8:28 AM

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1416507558/qid=109976467
6/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/102-8732757-6983326?v=glance&s=books

Yay! Go Keith!

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 9:30 AM

EMBERS

do we know anything about it?
will it be a retelling of the movie plot
(because those are tiresome IMO)
will it be backstory to the war?

will it be some lame book about meditation? LOL

who is this Keith of whom you speak?
Has he written genre TV tie-in books before?
ah, I found the answer to this one my own self:
he has written many Star Trek novels...a good sign
I think

I know...I'm full of annoying questions....

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 9:40 AM

SUCCATASH

He posts frequently here and on the Serenity board using the name KRAD.

I think it's a novelization of the movie, not a separate story.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 11:01 AM

TRASK43

Its great to see the book available to buy but its a little dissapointing that it will be released before the film.

Lots of people are gonna know exactly what happens (who can blame them the temptation is definately going to be there)before going in to the cinema and the three weeks before the film is released are gonna be a bit of a nightmare on the boards while we try and avoid spoilers.

Having said that Im still gonna preorder it, lets try and get it to number one in the presales.

www.summer-glau.com

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 11:06 AM

TOMANTA

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Originally posted by trask43:
Its great to see the book available to buy but its a little dissapointing that it will be released before the film.

It's common practice for some reason unknown to me to release novelizations prior to the movie.

I almost always avoid books based on movies, so I'll have to think on whether or not I pick this one up. It needs to offer me something in addition to just a straight retelling of the movie (most novelizations do, though, so...).

I'll probably pick it up, but I definitely won't read it before seeing the film.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 11:33 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Great point about the pre-movie book publishing date and how that will make all FF boards full of potential spoilers (that many of us may be too weak to avoid only to regret later 'cause we're only human - read: "Milwaukee's Best Lite is on sale!? Cool!").
Perhaps the board czar can set-up a separate category for people that want to discuss the book?

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 12:18 PM

HAWK

Is the novel written yet?

Has Krad seen the rough cut or does he know the story yet?

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 12:42 PM

ARODIN

I can attest that KRAD is a good sci-fi writer; I've read a few of his Star Trek novels and they're some of the best.

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 1:30 PM

THRAWN

Yes, KRAD is very good. This is pretty exciting...I'm looking forward to it. I'll definitely see the movie first, though.

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 2:36 PM

TRASK43

Although I wish the books release date was put back Im still really looking forward to getting this book and its encouraging to hear so many great things about the author.

Also having never read a novelizations before I wondered if anyone knows if its the norm for a novelizations to expand on the story or are they generally just a straight retelling of the film. Im sure I heard people say that the phantom menace book had quite a few extra parts to the film.

www.summer-glau.com

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 4:14 PM

POTEMKINVILLAGER

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will it be a retelling of the movie plot
(because those are tiresome IMO)

IMO, doesn't matter.... If the book's good enough, and indications (from these posts) are that it'll at least be better than a waste of time, then, for me, the comparison of my imagination's vision of the story to that put on screen by the good folks at Mutant Enemy et. al., is worth the journey. I've done gone and ordered the book, thanks for the tip.

Probably better as another thread, but I've only ever seen one movie that turned out as good as the book, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".

Anyway....

'sides which, workin' as I do in the flim post-prod biz, I'm gonna see this flick before most reg'lar folks anyway. Maybe not in sequential reel order, but linearity's overated, ain't it? (That's not bragging, it's a factory job, plain and simple). Still, a long time to wait.

Take me where I can not stand

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:17 PM

FRSCPE1

Just wanted to say, my favorite part of the description for the book on amazon's page (other than the fact that it is there) is the page count-320 pages. I know this might be a spot filler right now but if it's not, 320 pages means a nice, long Big Damn Movie.

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:24 PM

KRAD

A few things:

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Yay! Go Keith!

Thanks!

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I think it's a novelization of the movie, not a separate story.

Yes, this is a novelization of the movie.

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Its great to see the book available to buy but its a little dissapointing that it will be released before the film.

Unlike every other entertainment medium, books don't have a street date, they have a publication month. Because Serenity's being released on 22 April, the novelization is an April book. Some stores will have it prior to the movie's release, others won't have it until then. It's not a precise thing (with rare exceptions like Harry Potter books and some Star Wars hardcovers).

Besides which, having the book out before the movie is released is great free advertising for the movie -- bookstores are full of little posters for the film on their shelves.

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I almost always avoid books based on movies, so I'll have to think on whether or not I pick this one up. It needs to offer me something in addition to just a straight retelling of the movie (most novelizations do, though, so...).

I plan to add a bit, yes.

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Is the novel written yet?

I'm in the midst of writing it. In fact, I should be writing right now instead of posting....

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Has Krad seen the rough cut or does he know the story yet?

I have a copy of the final script.

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I can attest that KRAD is a good sci-fi writer; I've read a few of his Star Trek novels and they're some of the best.

Thanks!

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Yes, KRAD is very good.

And thanks again!

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Also having never read a novelizations before I wondered if anyone knows if its the norm for a novelizations to expand on the story or are they generally just a straight retelling of the film.

A movie script doesn't have nearly enough content to fill an entire novel, so yeah, stuff does get added. As to what will be added -- you'll find out next spring.

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:25 PM

KRAD

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Originally posted by frscpe1:
Just wanted to say, my favorite part of the description for the book on amazon's page (other than the fact that it is there) is the page count-320 pages. I know this might be a spot filler right now but if it's not, 320 pages means a nice, long Big Damn Movie.

Hate to break this to you, but they pulled that page count out of their posteriors.

Trade secret: Most of the time when you see a listing for a book that won't be out for a while, the page count is wholly bogus, or only a wild guess.

In this case, it's really bogus because I haven't finished the gorram book yet!

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:46 PM

FRSCPE1

I didn't really think that it was true, I just hoped that it was a good educated guess. If not, I won't be disappointed.I know that what amazon says is not the gospel, I just had a moment where the hope of it got the best of me. But honestly any Serenity is better than none at all.

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:50 PM

MOOSE

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 6:24 PM

SGTGUMP

That's great, and thanks for posting, KRAD.

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 6:48 PM

TRASK43

Thanks for responding KRAD I look forward to reading the book.

www.summer-glau.com

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Saturday, November 6, 2004 8:15 PM

GWENHARKER

I like the novelaztions because I can read it when I can't be there watching the movie.

The Star Wars Episodes I and II books contained the deleted scenes in with the regular story, so it was a treat and as its a novelazation (and approved byt he screenwriter/director) the thoughts given to the characters are accurate and add to the understanding of the scenes.

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Sunday, November 7, 2004 4:08 PM

MALICIOUS

I just pre-ordered it. Can't wait to get it, WILL wait to read it.

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

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Sunday, November 7, 2004 4:25 PM

ARCBEATLE

Is Haken going to put up a "Pre-Order the Serenity Novel" on the main page of the website.

And really, I think we should all order the novel, show Universal how exited fans really are about the film by buying the first available Serenity Product...

Oh,, and thanks for posting, Krad!

If people only beleive wahts in a movie, their damn well sure beleiving Serenity.

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Sunday, November 7, 2004 8:31 PM

KRAD

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Originally posted by arcbeatle:
And really, I think we should all order the novel,

I gotta say, I like the way you think.

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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Sunday, November 7, 2004 11:31 PM

TRASK43

Although Im sure consistant sales would be good and we will get them anyway. I was thinking we could maybe organize a week in which a lot of us on the boards pre order the book to see how high we can get it in the amazon charts.

www.summer-glau.com

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Monday, November 8, 2004 4:33 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Well, I am seeing a pre order in my immediate future! I would say at least a half dozen. Got to have a couple for myself and some for gifts and converting new people, right?

I am not very concerned w/ when the novel hits the shelves, so long as it does hit the shelves. Keith made a very good point in that books on the shelves in stores means possible posters and the like, and it means advertising for the BDM. I think the more we can get the name of the movie out there the more likely it is to be a big success.

I don't plan to read the novelization until after I see the BDM several times, but I will read it. Just because it is there does not mean you have to read it. Just buy it and stick it in the bookshelf at home. That is the beauty of books; you can pick them up whenever you like and read them.

I would suggest that all that can afford to do so to pick up the book, as many copies as you can to help make it a success. If the DVD sales are any indication, the success of the book will be looked at as an indication of interest in the property. If Universal sees an interest, and the potential to make money, they will move to make sequels.

Just sayin'.

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Monday, November 8, 2004 5:02 AM

IDEFIX

any idea yet if this will also be available in eBook format? and if so which one and where to buy it?

I really prefer eBooks nowadays, have a nice older Sony Clie PDA with greyscale display and normal batteries and it is just perfect for reading eBooks in Mobipocket or eReader format. having all your novels with you on a PDA and being able to re-read them as often as you like has a big advantage to paperbacks with bad ink that sticks to your hands more than the pages and pages falling out after reading 3 times...

and you don't need no light on in the bedroom because of the backlit screen. my boyfriends often already sleeping while I still read or the other way around.

sadly most people still prefer the touchable paper and ink versions so eBooks are often late or not at all available.

I'm gonna buy this one anyway but I'd prefer the electronic format.

Idefix

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Monday, November 8, 2004 5:04 AM

DEANNAMAY

I intend to pre-order the book myself, and you know KRAD, if you want to meet that bogus page number of 320 pages, I am okay with that.

In fact, if you felt the need to write more, I think everyone would be quite happy.

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Monday, November 8, 2004 5:43 AM

SABACEANBABE

Thanks for the heads up! I just preordered.

KRAD, House of Cards was the ONLY Farscape novel that was any good, so I'm glad to see you're the one writing the novelization of Serenity. I'm really looking forward to it.

BTW, are they ever going to let you publish that Farscape book I've heard rumors you finished??? Sheesh.

Nebari mental cleansing doesn't get the tough stains out.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

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Monday, November 8, 2004 6:38 AM

KRAD

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any idea yet if this will also be available in eBook format? and if so which one and where to buy it?

Pocket generally releases its books in eBook format. Assuming they do have eBook rights here -- and I don't know one way or the other if they do -- then they will almost definitely release the books in the three major eBook formats: Adobe, Microsoft Reader, and eReader (the latter for your handheld device). The former two should be available both at the publisher's web site at SimonSays.com, and also at Amazon.com and probably Powells.com. The handheld format will be available from the good folks at eReader.com.

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and you know KRAD, if you want to meet that bogus page number of 320 pages, I am okay with that.

We'll see.

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KRAD, House of Cards was the ONLY Farscape novel that was any good, so I'm glad to see you're the one writing the novelization of Serenity. I'm really looking forward to it.

Thanks so much! I had a lot of fun with House of Cards....

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BTW, are they ever going to let you publish that Farscape book I've heard rumors you finished???

Well, those rumors you heard weren't quite right.

To borrow a Fireflyism, here's how it was: Three Farscape novels had been published, mine, Andrew Dymond's Dark Side of the Sun, and David Bischoff's Ship of Ghosts. (Ironically, they came out in the reverse order in which they were commissioned and first drafted, for reasons way too complicated to go into here.) Tor Books wanted to do a fourth novel, written by me. I wrote a proposal for it, one for which I was able to consult with both Rockne O'Bannon (whom I met at the publication party for House of Cards) and David Kemper (whom I met at the September 2001 Creation show in New York). I sent the proposal in, but had to wait until Tor and Henson ironed out the contract for the book before it would ever be approved.

Now keep in mind, this is true for every media tie-in novel, whether it's a Star Trek novel, a Star Wars novel, a Farscape novel, a Quantum Leap novel, a Buffy novel, whatever: The author does a plot outline first, and does not write the manuscript until the licensor (Fox, Paramount, Universal, Lucasfilm, Henson, whomever) has approved that plot outline.

The problem came when Tor's lawyers and Henson's lawyers simply could not get on the same page with the contract to do the book. The process dragged on and on, to the point where it wasn't worth it for Tor to keep going with this. Then the show got cancelled, which was pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

So I never actually wrote the book. It's not likely that I ever will, to be honest. Even when Farscape was at its most popular, the books didn't sell nearly as well as we'd hoped, and with the show off the air, no publisher is likely to take the chance. That's not to say it's impossible -- I was convinced that if we ever saw Farscape again, it wouldn't be on Sci-Fi, and The Peacekeeper War made me eat those particular words, so who the heck knows?

In any case, the plot is sitting on a zip disk in my office. Maybe some day I'll get to use it (though it would need to be revised; I came up with it before the fourth season aired, and events of that season necessitate several changes to the story).

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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Monday, November 8, 2004 6:47 AM

IDEFIX

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Originally posted by KRAD:
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any idea yet if this will also be available in eBook format? and if so which one and where to buy it?

Pocket generally releases its books in eBook format. Assuming they do have eBook rights here -- and I don't know one way or the other if they do -- then they will almost definitely release the books in the three major eBook formats: Adobe, Microsoft Reader, and eReader (the latter for your handheld device). The former two should be available both at the publisher's web site at SimonSays.com, and also at Amazon.com and probably Powells.com. The handheld format will be available from the good folks at eReader.com.

thanks for the really fast and thorough answer. I'll go and keep my eyes on eReader.com

and I really have to read at least one of your books now. I think I haven't. but then again I've read lots of StarTrek (TNG, DS9 and VOY) some years back, I'll have to take a look to see if there's one or yours already in my bookcase.

but if the Farscape one is good maybe I'll get that to shorten the time til Serenity is published.

Idefix

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Monday, November 8, 2004 7:24 AM

KRAD

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I've read lots of StarTrek (TNG, DS9 and VOY) some years back, I'll have to take a look to see if there's one or yours already in my bookcase.

Well, I posted this on the Browncoats forum, so I may as well do it here, too....

My Star Trek credits include:

Novels:
TNG: Diplomatic Implausibility (2001)
DS9: Demons of Air and Darkness (Book 4 of Gateways) (2001)
The Brave and the Bold Books 1-2 (2002)
The Lost Era: The Art of the Impossible (2003)
I.K.S. Gorkon Book 1: A Good Day to Die (2003)
I.K.S. Gorkon Book 2: Honor Bound (2003)
TNG: A Time for War, a Time for Peace (2004)

Short stories:
"Horn and Ivory" in What Lay Beyond (Book 7 of Gateways) (2001)
"Broken Oaths" in DS9: Prophecy and Change (2003)
"Revelations" in New Frontier: No Limits (2003)
"The Ceremony of Innocence is Drowned" in Tales of the Dominion War (2004)

Comic books:
TNG: Perchance to Dream #1-4 (1999-2000)
{reprinted as part of the TNG: Enemy Unseen trade paperback in 2001}

eBooks:
S.C.E. #2: Fatal Error (2000)
S.C.E. #6: Cold Fusion (2001)
S.C.E. #7-8: Invincible Books 1-2 (2001)
S.C.E. #10: Here There Be Monsters (2001)
S.C.E. #21-22: War Stories Books 1-2 (2002)
S.C.E. #28: Breakdowns (2003)
{Fatal Error reprinted as part of S.C.E. Book 1: Have Tech, Will Travel (2002); Cold Fusion and Invincible reprinted as part of S.C.E. Book 2: Miracle Workers (2002); Here There Be Monsters reprinted as part of S.C.E. Book 3: Some Assembly Required (2003); War Stories reprinted as part of S.C.E. Book 6: Wildfire (2004); Breakdowns to be reprinted as part of S.C.E. Book 7: Breakdowns (2005)}

My full bibliography is at http://www.sff.net/people/krad/bibliog.htm.

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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Monday, November 8, 2004 8:47 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Wow! Thanks for posting and giving us all a little insight, not only into you, but publishing as a whole (page count guessing made me chuckle).

I look forward to the book to see how you will add to the movie experience.

I tell you, and everyone, a good example of a movie novelization is the MiB novel. I saw the movie, then read the book, and then watched the movie again, and saw it differently, but in a good way.

The novel shows you that "Edgar", despite being a man-eating killer cockroach from outer space, actually was a multi-dimensional character you can *almost* understand why he is doing what he does and at times you forget he is the "bad guy".

Thanks again KRAD, I can't wait to get my ruttin' mitts on your gorram Serenity novel!

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 4:07 AM

SABACEANBABE

KRAD, thanks so much for answering that question for me!

My personal opinion on why those novels didn't sell so well is that you're the only one who bothered to do any research (of course, it sounds like that was fairly easy for you, since you seem to be a fan of well-written genre

). The other two were Farscape in name only; yours read like an episode.

I can't wait for April, 2005: Serenity the novel, Serenity the BDM, and my birthday, so guess what two things I'm asking for for my b-day?

Nebari mental cleansing doesn't get the tough stains out.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 7:32 AM

RABIT

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Originally posted by SabaceanBabe:
I can't wait for April, 2005: Serenity the novel, Serenity the BDM, and my birthday, so guess what two things I'm asking for for my b-day?

Agreed, on all counts! (Yes, my birthday's in April, also...

)

Okay, mine's pre-ordered. Now KRAD just has to finish it...

No pressure from me, though! I just want to see it done right, not done fast!!!

Rabit

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 7:51 AM

FORRESTWOLF

Well, chalk up one more pre-order. It's nice to have a focus again for browncoats to support the cause! Now, if we can just get Fox to release a music CD we can buy...

Amazon listed a ship date of Jan 11. For the record, if by some miracle that happens, I am NOT reading it till the movie. Okay, maybe the first page...or the second...or the third...

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 8:45 AM

KRAD

Ironically, my birthday's in April, also.....

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 9:24 AM

FFFAN1

KRAD,
Since you seem to be dishing the info

, I was wondering who gets the final word on your additions. Do you discuss them with Joss, does he read your final draft before it's released, or is it left up to your judgement? Obviously the consensus around here is that your judgement is excellent, so I'm not worried either way, but I was curious, especially since they've left the possilities of follow-on movies open.
Thanks!
David

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 10:07 AM

TRASK43

Thanks for answering all the questions so far, I preordered the book yesterday hopefully I'll be able to wait until after seeing the film to read it but it'll be pretty cool to sneak a peak at the first few pages.

I was wondering if sales affect your position in anyway. For example if the sales are nice and healthy are you more likely to get to write potential sequels (wishful thinking I know) and also if the book sold much better than expected would there be a posibillity of you getting to write more books maybe covering the six months or so that have passed since the series.

www.summer-glau.com

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 6:46 PM

KRAD

Trask, I can't answer your question with any definitiveness because I'm not involved in the licensing. That's Pocket's department. I'm just the guy they hired to write the novelization.

FFFan1, the only person I deal with directly is my editor at Pocket. She then deals with Universal, and Universal deals with Joss. Lotsa bureaucracy! I did write up a memo with some questions and comments, which Joss responded to, but I sent the memo to my editor, who sent it to the licensing person at Universal, who sent it to Joss, who sent it back to the licensing person, who sent it to my editor, who sent it to me in the house that Jack built.

Welcome to the wonderful world of licensed fiction.

Anyhow, all stages of the manuscript have to be approved by the licensor, and I can't imagine that it won't be approved until Joss puts his stamp on it.

Keith R.A. DeCandido
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