To any new folk, I apologize for there being incels on this board. by WISHIMAY

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To any new folk, I apologize for there being incels on this board.

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:19 AM

This used to be a place where it was fun every single day, where the main topic was a show that was set in a familiar fantastic future where folk hard-scrabbled out a living in a 'Verse that was similar to ours -in that we are just as likely to experience the same entropy and ironic jack-booted thuggery from our governments as our celebrated characters did.

Sadly, reality exists, and it turns out the creator of this fine show was just another hypocrite who clearly respects women and sees equality as an unalienable right, but has no problem using his position to go about porking half the actresses he wanted to employ. I can only hope they were all there mostly willingly. I doubt he meant to be another toxic creep, but who really knows??

So, it should probably come as little surprise our own quaint little fandom has also attracted several royally broken ignorant jerks who really can't be in adult relationships and spend vast blocks of time whining about things women say as a perverted coping mechanism or outlet for their their own personally unrecognized inadequacies.

I don't know what goes wrong with some people.

I would say ignore them and move on, but I don't think it helps. Argue with them and it just entrenches their asinine thoughts and behaviors, don't argue with them and you might as well give them carte blanche to continue trying to attract other knuckle-draggers... And when they get together dumb shit happens....

But ultimately, it's up to you. Free speech is equal parts GREAT and SUCK.

I should also say I'm sure someone will be along to post things I have said in the past, but you should also know that there are actual Fascist-Supporting-Dyed-In-The-Wool-Commies on another section of this board, and I shamelessly and mercilessly troll them.

This is what the internet IS these days. Avoiding landmines or deliberately stomping on them, lol.

All I can say is that the Addam's Family Motto always did resonate with me....
Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

WE WOULD GLADLY FEAST ON THOSE WHO WOULD SUBDUE US.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 6:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Sadly, reality exists, and it turns out the creator of this fine show was just another hypocrite who clearly respects women and sees equality as an unalienable right, but has no problem using his position to go about porking half the actresses he wanted to employ. I can only hope they were all there mostly willingly. I doubt he meant to be another toxic creep, but who really knows??

This is the reality that Whedonites need to acknowledge, come to grips with and not ignore.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:50 AM

MOOSE

There are new people here?

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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:45 AM

ZEEK

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Sadly, reality exists, and it turns out the creator of this fine show was just another hypocrite who clearly respects women and sees equality as an unalienable right, but has no problem using his position to go about porking half the actresses he wanted to employ. I can only hope they were all there mostly willingly. I doubt he meant to be another toxic creep, but who really knows??

This is the reality that Whedonites need to acknowledge, come to grips with and not ignore.

So, you're saying nobody's perfect? That really shouldn't be a big revelation.

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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 1:25 PM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?

I try to enjoy the work of actors/tresses/directors/musicians, etc...I don't need to know their political bent, listen to their rants, etc...and their personal life...well for the most part, when it comes to hollywood...I sadly assume moral turpitude.
that said..the reason I stopped by on this thread was that it brought a smile to my face cause your avatar is of Morena...and while I won't go into the details, I recalled watching her at the season 1 wrap party...I really could care less about Homeland, but at the time I still saw her as "one of our Firefly crew"...so while I left her alone and did not pursue the fan thing (I never let my team do that with the celebs we work) I couldn't help but notice two things..one, she had been working hard to build herself a great set of legs! and she was all but clinging to the director...it really looked like she was in total suck up mode in hopes that the newly announced season2 would include her in it.

my attention was soon to be drawn away as Claire had grabbed a chair and was proceeding to do a chair/lap style dance for the boys playing in the makeshift band..have never seen Claire as a "hotty" but brother she was puttin it on that night...one of the show's behind the scense gal was busy behind the scenes handing out all manner of little pills to some of the folks there..it's amazing what all you can observe from behind the mix console of your audio rig....so..yeah, I'm sorry but I typically get what I expect from our celebs who work and live in the industry..on All sides...be it producer/director, or actor

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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 4:02 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by OLDGUY:
I try to enjoy the work of actors/tresses/directors/musicians, etc...I don't need to know their political bent, listen to their rants, etc...and their personal life...well for the most part, when it comes to hollywood...I sadly assume moral turpitude.
that said..the reason I stopped by on this thread was that it brought a smile to my face cause your avatar is of Morena...and while I won't go into the details, I recalled watching her at the season 1 wrap party...I really could care less about Homeland, but at the time I still saw her as "one of our Firefly crew"...so while I left her alone and did not pursue the fan thing (I never let my team do that with the celebs we work) I couldn't help but notice two things..one, she had been working hard to build herself a great set of legs! and she was all but clinging to the director...it really looked like she was in total suck up mode in hopes that the newly announced season2 would include her in it.

my attention was soon to be drawn away as Claire had grabbed a chair and was proceeding to do a chair/lap style dance for the boys playing in the makeshift band..have never seen Claire as a "hotty" but brother she was puttin it on that night...one of the show's behind the scense gal was busy behind the scenes handing out all manner of little pills to some of the folks there..it's amazing what all you can observe from behind the mix console of your audio rig....so..yeah, I'm sorry but I typically get what I expect from our celebs who work and live in the industry..on All sides...be it producer/director, or actor

If I boycotted entertainers based on their politics I'd be left pretty much alone to entertain myself (and that wouldn't be pretty). Yes, although the most extreme and most outspoken in Hollywood are usually not watched by me, they nonetheless have occasionally done some brilliant work during their careers and I'll watch it because the work is more important than the politics. Guess that makes me somewhat of a hypocrite considering how much I loathe and detest so many of them.

http://twitter.com/NRSC/status/1219661000556847107

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Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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So, you're saying nobody's perfect? That really shouldn't be a big revelation.

Well, there's a gulf of difference between Morgan Freeman imperfect and Bill Cosby imperfect.

I'd say most of us fall closer to Morgan Freeman, where as Joss? Maybe not rapey, but he sure seems to have fished off the company pier, and I'd bet not 100% of his catches were fully consensual. Maybe I'm wrong, hope so, but who's to say some careers weren't advanced, or not, based on their casting couch results. ( allegedly )

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Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:29 AM

ZEEK

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So, you're saying nobody's perfect? That really shouldn't be a big revelation.

Well, there's a gulf of difference between Morgan Freeman imperfect and Bill Cosby imperfect.

I'd say most of us fall closer to Morgan Freeman, where as Joss? Maybe not rapey, but he sure seems to have fished off the company pier, and I'd bet not 100% of his catches were fully consensual. Maybe I'm wrong, hope so, but who's to say some careers weren't advanced, or not, based on their casting couch results. ( allegedly )

I could have missed something, but I've never heard of anyone accusing him of rape. Last I saw it was just his ex-wife making the accusations and there's more than a little chance of her being vindictive. So, not exactly an impartial observer. Until I hear otherwise I'm not going to assume he did anything over and above infidelity.

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Wednesday, January 22, 2020 5:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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I could have missed something, but I've never heard of anyone accusing him of rape. Last I saw it was just his ex-wife making the accusations and there's more than a little chance of her being vindictive. So, not exactly an impartial observer. Until I hear otherwise I'm not going to assume he did anything over and above infidelity.

Did you actually READ my comment? Bill Cosby raped and drugged lots of women. I am NOT saying Joss did anything to that level, but in the post #MeToo era, in light of how sleazy Hollywood is, I'm saying it's not too far fetched. Aside of what his ex-wife said, there's been rumor and innuendo about Joss and his parade of hot actresses.

Anything OTHER than infidelity? With who, again? An actress ?

Fair enough. So he had 1 fling. That's all. He's shown himself to be a true d-bag in other areas beyond infidelity. Wish he weren't, but I can't change that now.

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Wednesday, January 22, 2020 6:27 PM

WISHIMAY

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There are new people here?

We may be getting some if Fox actually picks up a new FF series. They said they were open to one now since they don't have The Orville anymore, and they would like to have a spacey show again. I won't hold my breath, but I've seen it rumored on several sites recently...

There was a girl in Australia some years ago that had an idea for a show based on the terraformers that I thought would have been interesting. It could still play on the idea that Blue Sun finds people disposable, and they could prequel in some of the crews ancestors.

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Thursday, January 23, 2020 4:26 AM

MOOSE

I'm not gonna hold my breath either.

Y'know, are there any other active dedicated Firefly forums left? Or is it just us nowadays?

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Thursday, January 23, 2020 10:23 AM

ZEEK

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I could have missed something, but I've never heard of anyone accusing him of rape. Last I saw it was just his ex-wife making the accusations and there's more than a little chance of her being vindictive. So, not exactly an impartial observer. Until I hear otherwise I'm not going to assume he did anything over and above infidelity.

Did you actually READ my comment? Bill Cosby raped and drugged lots of women. I am NOT saying Joss did anything to that level, but in the post #MeToo era, in light of how sleazy Hollywood is, I'm saying it's not too far fetched. Aside of what his ex-wife said, there's been rumor and innuendo about Joss and his parade of hot actresses.

Anything OTHER than infidelity? With who, again? An actress ?

Fair enough. So he had 1 fling. That's all. He's shown himself to be a true d-bag in other areas beyond infidelity. Wish he weren't, but I can't change that now.

I was just not on board with betting his catches weren't 100% consensual. Until someone comes forward saying as much I'm not going to assume it.

Also, what else has he done that's douchey? I haven't been as up to date on Joss news since he's not doing much lately. Maybe when his HBO show comes out he'll be in the news again.

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Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Since Harvey Weinstein's trial recently began I've noticed that almost every movie I watch has him as the producer. Even though the prosecutor's opening statement against him was a scathing indictment detailing decades of systematic predatory sexual abuse, I suspect that the actual number of victims is much, much higher. First witness today, actress Annabella Sciorra, gave testimony how Weinstein brutally attacked and raped her after he had driven her home. Despite all this really sick shit coming out, nothing deters these Hollywood degenerates and druggies from dressing up and waving to the morons in the bleachers at their "award" shows. Shame on all of them! I've got a bunch of new award categories they should recognize, but why even list them. This crap has been going on in Hollywood since movie making began.

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Thursday, January 23, 2020 5:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Zeek:

I was just not on board with betting his catches weren't 100% consensual. Until someone comes forward saying as much I'm not going to assume it.

Also, what else has he done that's douchey? I haven't been as up to date on Joss news since he's not doing much lately. Maybe when his HBO show comes out he'll be in the news again.

Joss made fun of teenage girls who had survived cancer in a tweet which mocked their looks.

Why a guy in his 50's is calling teenage girls " not a 10 " , under any circumstance, especially those who are cancer survivors, is indefensible.

He's made other deranged comments in addition to what his wife has claimed he did.

So dismiss any Weinstein level coercion of young actresses, he's still been a colossal prick as well as unfaithful to his wife. Yeah, I know, not totally uncommon in Hollywood or elsewhere, but this is the guy who literally made a living off of girlpower and trying to instill respect for women in the industry. Apparently, it was all just a gimmick, a means to make and sell shows, and nothing more.

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Thursday, January 23, 2020 6:32 PM

WISHIMAY

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Joss made fun of teenage girls who had survived cancer in a tweet which mocked their looks.

Why a guy in his 50's is calling teenage girls " not a 10 " , under any circumstance, especially those who are cancer survivors, is indefensible.

You keep trying to turn that into what it wasn't. He was taking a pot shot at Paul Ryan for being pretentious, and he didn't even consider the girls at all.

It was a stupid comment, BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT THE GIRLS. Is he an idiot for not thinking it through, YES.

If not thinking things through was criminal, buddy, you'd have been in jail a LOOOOONG time ago!

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Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

It was entirely about the girls, and their appearance. Mocking their PHYSICAL APPEARANCE as a means of sticking it to Trump.

" Not a 10 " means exactly what it sounds like.

I stand by everything I've said. You not liking it is irrelevant.

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Friday, January 24, 2020 2:04 AM

WISHIMAY

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It was entirely about the girls, and their appearance. Mocking their PHYSICAL APPEARANCE as a means of sticking it to Trump.

Because... OF COURSE he meant to make fun of cancer kids and not PAUL RYAN, who he hates

It wasn't his first comment about him.

Like I said, royally broken idiots on this board. They'll rail against an idiotic comment Joss made but have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with every horrid thing the entire GOP has said about anyone NOT A WHITE MALE.

Wrong is never wrong... when you like the person spouting the wrong.

Ain't that right, duffus?

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Friday, January 24, 2020 2:12 AM

WISHIMAY

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I'm not gonna hold my breath either.

Y'know, are there any other active dedicated Firefly forums left? Or is it just us nowadays?

I don't think there are any active ones. I saw one a couple years ago that really wasn't active anymore. Don't remember where it was...

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Friday, January 24, 2020 7:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

This isn’t about what the GOP never said about non whites. .
But keep trying to spin this away from Joss’s ‘ not a 10 ‘ comment about teenage girls. Survivors of cancer or not.

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Saturday, January 25, 2020 3:06 AM

WISHIMAY

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This isn’t about what the GOP never said about non whites. .

''I just wish Katrina had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else, just had flooded them out, and I wouldn't have rescued them.''
—Bill O'Reilly, on his radio show, Sept. 14, 2005

''[Obama] wouldn't have been voted president if he weren't black. .... If Obama weren't black he'd be a tour guide in Honolulu or he'd be teaching Saul Alinsky constitutional law or lecturing on it in Chicago.''
—Rush Limbaugh, July 6, 2010

"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) -- this is working very well for them.''
—Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the Hurricane Katrina evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005

''When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either.''
—Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.), praising the career of onetime segregationist Strom Thurmond in 2002

NEVER, huh?

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Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

OK

Now, have any actual examples?

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Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:19 PM

WISHIMAY

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OK

Now, have any actual examples?

As mindbogglingly stupid as the vast majority of Rethuglicans are, y'all manage to not say your horrible thoughts to the media. I think that's why you hate them so much, you know they are waiting for you to speak your mind and cancel your party.
That's gonna be a pretty sweet day.

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Saturday, January 25, 2020 7:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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y'all manage to not say your horrible thoughts to the media.

So, absence of evidence? Great. That's what you're gonna hang your hat on, huh?

" Someday ..yeah, that'll be sweet !"

The truly mindboggling journey is how you went from barely even defending Joss from his comments to imaginary racist things GOP / conservatives said but in reality have zero racism in them at all. So utterly out of context were those quotes, and harmless, you then shifted gears to …*squints* Republicans bein scared of the media because SOMEDAY they might catch actual real words of racism which, to date, haven't ever been recorded.

Just WOW!

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Sunday, January 26, 2020 12:47 AM

WISHIMAY

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Just WOW!

And we've reached that point of the argument were you become retarded and declare yourself "winner"

I'm a weeener

If there's one thing I'm sure about in life it's that you, JSF, 6ix, and the whole of the Rethuglican party are loser sacks of crap.

I have the evidence of thousands of your kind turning into thugs in public and calling everyone that isn't white every nasty thing a jerk could think of.

There's at least a dozen vids a week.

Everyone already knows what your kind thinks, you are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

Hold every Rethuglican over a volcano and you see instant thug!

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Sunday, January 26, 2020 9:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Gibberish.

Not worth my time trying to respond.

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Monday, February 10, 2020 3:02 PM

WISHIMAY