GORRAMIT, SOME OF YOU FOLKS REALLY &*(&^ ME OFF!!!!! by Static

Yup, I'm also sorry for my responsibility for the hijacking. I forgot rule number 1 of forums: never post when you're angry. I should have just pointed out my feelings about Orson Scott Card and left it at that.

But I agree, I thought for the most part the thread was fierce about the issues, not the people and the attacks were on viewpoints, not on other members.

Mind you, I'd love to see the debate if President Bush endorsed the movie...

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:02 AM

TAUSETIPRIME

Ive read much of Orson Scott Card's work (many of the titles, i've read more than once).

I have no clue what the man's politics are, but the man knows all things sci-fi. He knows how to craft a character driven story-line. He can write, and he can recognize the merit of someone else's work.

So, in this arena, I say that O.S.Card's word is down-right noteworthy. Static posted a damn fine article. I see it as a good sign for things to come in all that is Firefly/Serenity.

If, while writing the article, Mr. card was clubbing baby seals, poisoning the environment, and beating up old women with their own walkers......it doesnt diminish his word in the one area the article discussed.

If we cant keep our own heads on the subject before us, then we might as well all become nay-sayers. No one stands up to the microscope for long.

A final point for those who started their posts with "i've never read any of his stuff, but he's (insert negative comment about a non-related issue)." I find it hard to read comments by people who openly admit no knowledge of the topic at hand. Had the article been written about gay marriage, or someone else's opinion on gay marriage, or even marriage in general......this would have been right up your alley.

Thank you Static, its an article I may have never come across, and that is why I come to this site on an (almost) daily basis.

They didnt call it the dark ages because it was dark.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:58 AM

MALICIOUS

For the record, I had NO PART WHATSOEVER in the hijacking. That being noted, I wanted to add that I am thrilled the BDM is getting promoted in whatever venue. People who read are, in general, people who can purchase movie tickets. That is what matters.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:30 AM

NICOLACLARKE

Well said, Static, and thanks very much for posting the review. Nice to see a prominent voice speak up for Firefly.

I've read several of OSC's books (Alvin Maker) and adored them. As someone else pointed out earlier up this thread, he's a master storyteller and thus knows what he's talking about when he praises Firefly. I also *really* don't care about his politics (and I'm a girl who likes girls) - how are his politics even remotely relevant in the context of a rave review for our BDH?

/ pue intentions, juxtaposed /

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:00 AM

FORRESTWOLF

Static, I'm very glad you brought up the review - my wife will enjoy reading it - she's a big Card fan.

Despite the fact that we both have serious concerns about Card's personal beliefs - and they do spill over into his writings at times - he IS a skilled writer (was once my wife's favorite), and I'm sure his review will help out the movie.

I'd agree - keep it civil, Simonwho (you've already apologized, and that's really, really shiny of you!), and I think we can all respectfully disagree on Card's personal beliefs.

Now, I've got to get my wife to the 'pute to see Static's nicely posted OSC review...

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:43 AM

REGINAROADIE

Totally agree with you. I personally have never read any of his books, nor do I know anything about his political leanings. But I know that he is a big sci-fi figure and that if the words from his lips about FIREFLY are ecstatic, then that'll help us. I'm just waiting for Ray Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, Stephen King, Majel Barret Roddenberry and other sci-fi notables to give the BDM a leg up as well.

I think that because people are so into politics nowadays that this hijacking of threads happen. It's Bill O'Reily vs. Michael Moore. I'm sure if Mike endorsed a sci-fi series or something else that it would evolve into a political firestorm.

BTW, I know Adam Baldwin's political, but I've never read any of his political posts. Could someone point me in that direction? Is he left or right?

"NO HAI ES BANDAI. THERE IS....NO.....BAND. AND YET....WE HEAR A BAND."

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:49 AM

MANIACNUMBERONE

The task remains yours to keep a thread which you introduce "on topic." Every thread goes off on a tangent at one point or another, if you want it to go back to the beginning thought, say so in the thread.

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Inara: Who's winning?
Simon: I can't really tell, they don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.
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Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:50 AM

NYWOE

I was very excited to read OSC's review, and dissapointed at the direction the thread was taking. I don't know anything about the man's politics. It sounds like I would disagree with them. But heck, I disagree strongly with Joss's support of Kerry, but I still love Firefly!

I think the review will help build momentum for the fanbase, as does every positive mention.

The other day, Scott McCloud (my favorite comics creator) mentioned on his site that he was going to watch Firefly after he finished Buffy. I can't wait to hear his (undoubtedly) positive review!

btw-- I don't agree with his politics either. Hmm, is there anyone who's political view I do agree with? Nope, just my own!

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:53 AM

I think it really boils down to Static being an extremely defensive closet homosexual. His hot wife is just a front. That's where all this hostility comes to play. And he fuels his own self-loathing by intentionally stirring up a lot of homophobia just so he can be gratified when the mulitudes of his own people come to their own defense.

So I'm going to have to disagree with Static's anger. ManiacNumberOne is right. It's all your fault. Ya big baby.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:57 AM

I hate you.

I really really really truly hate you.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:01 AM

See? Defensive!

Help, help! I'm being repressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:06 AM

You wanna see violence? Here ya go. . .

For THIS little injustice. . .we have to do 'all you can eat' ribs TOMORROW night too!!!!

BRILLIANT!!!!!

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:09 AM

Yay!

I mean. Wait. Something. I don't know. Dining with a self-loathing closet queer?

But all that beef. Agh! Beef wins!

Did you see that? Did you see him oppressing me?

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:10 AM

Okay. . .

TheGreyJedi and I are SUCH GEEKS. . .

Rather than 'fighting this out', which we could easily do since he's sitting about four feet away from me right now. . .

We're both tap-tapping away on our laptops at each other, jabbing each other in a discussion thread!!!!

AAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

When did this happen to me???? I used to be so cool!!!!!

It's because my hot wife hasn't been around much lately b/c of work. . .that's it!

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:11 AM

My machine's faster than your machine.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:12 AM

Bwahaha! My insidious influence! Inocuous at first, then BAM! I have destroyed the cool in you! So I give you: snide remark in words from three feet away!

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:22 AM

NYWOE

Hmm, first four feet, and now three feet away? Are you two inching closer together!!?!

:)

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:57 AM

SHINY

We all know Stat and Jedi are both dying for some hot man-on-man action, don't we? ;)

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 9:50 AM

From serious to silly...and if Static and Thegreyjedi wanna go do...whatever it is that they do do..none of my business.

OSC's art is separate from his person. Anyone remember reading Death on the Installment Plan in college? Or just for fun? Celine was a complete shit, one of the worst people imaginable (Vichy government loved him, he gave up lotsa Jews) and that diminishes his work not even a little bit. George Bernard Shaw was a vegetarian, lowest form of life on this Earth, and his plays are amazing and wonderful a hundred years later.

Yo, Static, thanks for bringing this up, and never stop being truthful even if it's unpopular. You're my idea of a good guy, even though I don't know you and would probably hate you on sight. :-)

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:04 AM

I've been pondering this a bit more today and I suddenly realised that my posts in my thread turned me into the person I dread becoming the most: Michael Moore. Very scary.

The weird thing is I agree with lots of Moore's positions and yet the messenger gets in the way of the message to such a degree that you don't care what he has to say. Bah. Next thing you know I'll be wearing lumberjack shirts and not shaving properly.

Oh, and Static, a special apology to you personally because it was your thread I helped crash down. You can't actually edit/delete comments on blogs so that one might be stuck there.

Right, now to repeat today's mantra one thousand times: you cannot bring everyone around to your point of view, you cannot bring everyone around to your point of view, you cannot bring everyone around to your point of view....

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:32 AM

Static,

you often step up as the voice of reason, thank you. Thank you for posting the review. it is great and I've told other people about it. I did not joind the other thread cause it started to scare me a bit. I have joined in other opinion lobbing threads, but in the place they belong: the world events discussion threads.

btw
Static and Grey I am a big geek too. I'm sure yall are familiar with the look you get from other pople when you start talking about some funny thing that Mal said in her thread the other day. Or maybe you're not and I'm just a bigger dork. jake and I sit on the couch with our laptops and watch movies. Sad. When the neighbors got cable I was worried they would steal some of my bandwith. Sadder.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:46 AM

Guard your bandwidth with your life!

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I've been pondering this a bit more today and I suddenly realised that my posts in my thread turned me into the person I dread becoming the most: Michael Moore. Very scary.

You DREAD becoming an Oscar-winning director whose films have influenced the course of debate in the world's most powerful, if least sensible, nation? That strikes me as odd. The messenger getting in the way of the message is traditional. Marx's haute bourgeois lifestyle got in the way of his message so it's been completely ignored by his many followers over the years.

Be glad you have opinions strong enough not be containable. I certainly am.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:31 AM

MALICIOUS

Could the reason TGJ and Static are sitting so close together be because they are in the same closet? Hmmmm. Interesting. They'll probably get barbeque sauce all over the clothing hanging in there.

Mal-licious

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:50 AM

TRIBES

Hi Static, thank you for posting a very nice review of Firefly by a well known author OSC. His Enders Game is an outstanding read.

Thread Hijack...Hi Annie. Johnson's Big Apple sounds great.
Posted over on the Fox OB.

>>BTW, I know Adam Baldwin's political, but I've never read any of his political posts. Could someone point me in that direction? Is he left or right?<<

Reginaroadie.. Why Adam is always in the right of course...;-)
Go Here...He posts mainly on the political threads.
He is a well read and very intelligent and articulate man with a Heart of gold. He is tolerant of others views but is very passionate about his own. Besides he is a BDH.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldfan45:
Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I've been pondering this a bit more today and I suddenly realised that my posts in my thread turned me into the person I dread becoming the most: Michael Moore. Very scary.

You DREAD becoming an Oscar-winning director whose films have influenced the course of debate in the world's most powerful, if least sensible, nation?

Well, on so many issues, I agree with Michael Moore (gun control, Iraq, unfair treatment of certain groups, etc, etc) and yet when I see him going on about these issues or when I read his books, I just get annoyed at him. It's odd because I used to love his old stuff, like TV Nation but nowadays... Maybe it was his support for Nader that handed Bush the election.

I guess what I mean is I'd like to be somebody who can calmly and rationally change other people's minds. I don't want to be an extremist that ends up preaching to the choir with his own twisted personal philosophies (I don't want to be that other Oscar winning director either).

Although I'd gladly accept either of their bank accounts.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:14 PM

MONTANAGIRL

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Next thing you know I'll be wearing lumberjack shirts and not shaving properly.

All together now: "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay!"

(Sorry, I couldn't help it. Palin's voice was in my head the second I read that.)

Packer fans welcome.
All others tolerated.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:22 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

STATIC.
I have'nt looked at the original thread and if it's as scarily hijacked as it seems I dont think I will. I have said on other threads how much I was disturbed by the way every topic seemed to be turning into an argument and considered deleting this site from my favourites and just walking away. However, the way this thread has turned the problem on it's head by the use of some excellent good humour has given me a new hope (and not in a Starwars way).
The political threads especially have been making me very, very angry but now i think maybe if i throw some humour into thier vitriol it might make some of the people step back and realise just how ridiculous they look to the rest of us.
So if your reading through a particularly nasty thread and suddenly see something that makes you laugh out loud, that will be me.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I guess what I mean is I'd like to be somebody who can calmly and rationally change other people's minds.

Day you learn how to do that, my friend, you should please email me and let me know how it's done. I've recently been fired because I am just too gorram honest and not quiet enough to please my corporate masters, in spite of what they acknowledged was "very profitable" performance over the years.

So that secret, you could maybe share with me..?

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:53 PM

Actually, I came out of the closet several years ago. I was kinda disappointed, though. Turns out I was straight the whole time.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by montanagirl:
All together now: "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay!"

..."They put on women's clothing and hang around in bars!"

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:52 PM

HARDWARE

Quote:
Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Quote:
Originally posted by montanagirl:
All together now: "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay!"

..."They put on women's clothing and hang around in bars!"

www.thatweirdgirl.com

Wrong!

The next line is;

I sleep all night and I work all day.
Chorus: He's a lumberjack and he's okay,
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch,
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shopping
And have buttered scones for tea.

As for how I knew this, in the words of Warren Zevon; I don't wanna talk about it.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldfan45:
Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I guess what I mean is I'd like to be somebody who can calmly and rationally change other people's minds.

Day you learn how to do that, my friend, you should please email me and let me know how it's done.

Oh, I know how to do it in the real world. I just haven't figured out how to do it over the internet yet.

If you did want to calmly and rationally change the minds of your friends/neighbours/family and you're in actual physical contact with them, it's very easy. First of all you'll need some chloroform and a trephination kit. Next you'll need a map of the human mind (this one will do:

) and finally a pointed stick. Just remember when you've finished drilling the hole, only poke their brains when you're feeling calm and rational. Don't go charging in there.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by Hardware:
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Wrong!

I know that! I was trying to get into the Grey and Static being in the closet game, silly. I guess I just suck at this game.

Hey, all the guys are dressing up in dresses over at the treehouse. The gals are gonna judge the best legs.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:13 PM

JRC

So...... uh, by the way...... uh...... what did y'all think of that review? Shiny, huh?

Everyone dies alone.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I like Firefly. I like it A LOT. I mean, I really, REALLY like Firefly!

Oh, and I'm glad I didn't have any gorram part in any thread hijackin'.

btw..did I mention that I like Firefly ?

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:43 PM

Well, TWG, I'll get in the closet with you for some games any time you want.

Actually, that's all talk. I confess this because my current mind set is anathema to lying and deceit. Where I unattached, howe'er, there'd be games in closets. Preferably roomie walk-ins, because I am a large semi-muscular man.

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:54 PM

but of course.

there's a lot of folks 'round here that were they unattached, manly and womanly fashoin taking would be happening all over the place...in closets.

by the way, did i mention that the review was a good thing?

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:06 PM

DIETCOKE

I find some of the rude political/religious stuff kind of nasty too. I don't mind intelligent debate as long as that is what the thread is about and people keep their name calling out of it.

I'm with you Static. Enough already! I read your original thread but I haven't read the responses. Obviously, I don't want to.

I thought we were friends on this site..... (sigh...)

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Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:07 PM

SimonWho! Trepanning your loved ones?! I am shocked...yes, shocked...that such goings-on are tolerated in the UK or Canada or Australia or whatever "u"-lovin' place you are. We here in the Great Red State of Texas outlawed that years ago!

It made too many people happy. Cna't have that, y'know.

I am on record, on the other thread, as having said that the review was good because it raised awareness of the delightful Firefly 'verse among the Great Unwashed.

Venice woud be a fine city if only it were drained. --Ulysses S. Grant, US President

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