Is george lucas a firefly fan? by fireflyfan23

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Is george lucas a firefly fan?

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Friday, February 11, 2005 7:30 PM

Reading about the new star wars movie, it seems like the empire thats about to be formed is alot like the alliance in firefly.

What do you think???.

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Friday, February 11, 2005 9:10 PM

TOMANTA

. . .

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."

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Friday, February 11, 2005 10:04 PM

TLACOOK

I doubt Lucas has a creative bone left in his body. Seeing the government as all controlling and menacing is not a new thought by any stretch of the imagination. I hope RotS dies a spectacular death.

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Friday, February 11, 2005 10:12 PM

EVILNATE

The Empire in Star Wars has remained pretty consistant since 1977. If anything, the Alliance is patterned after the Empire. In fact, JW himself has said that Firefly is sort of like what would have happened if the Rebel Alliance had lost the war with the Empire, that Serenity is sort of like the Falcon, and that Mal is something like Han Solo. The impression that I get is that JW has a healthy respect for SW OT.

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Friday, February 11, 2005 10:59 PM

QUICKSAND

Indeed.

It's my understanding that any time you ever heard a character on Buffy, or Angel, or anywhere make a reference to Star Wars (Cordelia: You're our only hope, Obi-Wan), is because Joss dropped it in there. He's a huge fan, and so are all of us nerds. You can't be a nerd and hate the Original Trilogy. It's just not natural.

I do see a lot of Han/Mal similarities, though I doubt Han was ever in the military. Han also went all soft when he had something to believe in-- his friendship with Luke, his love of Leia. Mal doesn't have those things... but he does have Zoe, and any comparisons of Zoe to Chewbacca are hereby banned forever.

Beware....

(qs)

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Friday, February 11, 2005 11:06 PM

EVILNATE

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Originally posted by Quicksand:

I do see a lot of Han/Mal similarities, though I doubt Han was ever in the military. Han also went all soft when he had something to believe in-- his friendship with Luke, his love of Leia. Mal doesn't have those things... but he does have Zoe, and any comparisons of Zoe to Chewbacca are hereby banned forever.

Beware....

(qs)

Zoe to Chewbacca? How about Jayne and Chewbacca?

Actually, according to the books, Han was in the Imperial Academy, and dropped out when he saved Chewbacca.

So while we're doing comparisons - does River use the Force? Is Book really Yoda, only not green? Is Inara like Princess Leia, but with less royalty and more sex?

And here's the big one - Is there (hopefully) a moon in the Firefly universe where they juggle Ewoks (and drop them)?

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Friday, February 11, 2005 11:08 PM

THEGREYJEDI

I remain stalwart in my defense of the prequels. I find the story to be entertaining, as I identify with Anakin. More so than I do with Han, who was my original favorite from the OT. I'm just not smooth enough to be Han. Angsty and whiny? Powerful and misunderstood? Easily lead by passions? Yeah, those I can do. The prequels have enough, in my opinion, good points to weigh out the bad, ie. Jar-Jar. Like the pod race. And the duel with Darth Maul, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. Episode II had the speeder chase through Coruscant, the arena battle, Jango v. Obi-Wan in the rain, Jango v. Obi-Wan in space, the gi-normous battle between the clone troopers and the droids, Obi and Ani v. Dooku v. Yoda. I'm looking forward to episode III.

And so I stay on topic, I think you've got it backwards. The Galactic Empire would be more of an inspiration for the Alliance. Would have to be, been around longer.

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:48 AM

ANKHAGOGO

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It's my understanding that any time you ever heard a character on Buffy, or Angel, or anywhere make a reference to Star Wars (Cordelia: You're our only hope, Obi-Wan), is because Joss dropped it in there. He's a huge fan, and so are all of us nerds. You can't be a nerd and hate the Original Trilogy. It's just not natural.

And let's not forget a large chunk of season with all of Jonathan's and Andrew's action figures in their basement lair, the Death Star painted van with the horn that played the Star Wars theme. Such geeks. It was great!

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any comparisons of Zoe to Chewbacca are hereby banned forever.

Actually, I always though Jayne was more Chewbacca than anyone. :)

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:53 AM

ANKHAGOGO

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I remain stalwart in my defense of the prequels......The prequels have enough, in my opinion, good points to weigh out the bad, ie. Jar-Jar.

I find the story of the prequels interesting, but I can't defend the execution. I'm sorry, I've tried, but the writing, for the most part, isn't very good, and I'm a freak for decent writing.
I'll still see Revegene of the Sith, of course, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope that the writing has improved. And I totally want to see Wookies kicking some ass. :)

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:17 AM

GREENFAERIE

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... The impression that I get is that JW has a healthy respect for SW OT.

Did you notice the miniature Han-frozen-in-Carbonite, sitting on a shelf next to Kaylee's hammock in the engine room on Serenity? You can see this in "The Message", when Kaylee listens to, well, the message.

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:22 AM

SIMONWHO

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Originally posted by Ankhagogo:

Actually, I always though Jayne was more Chewbacca than anyone. :)

"Chewbacca? Have you even seen Star Wars?"

Bonus points for naming that quote.

I suspect that Lucas tries to avoid watching other people's sci-fi so he can legitimately claim not to have been influenced by it. Though in a few months, that's all over.

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:29 AM

GUNRUNNER

^Owen Wilson in Armageddon.

But I think Chewie is too Loyal to be Jayne.

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:00 PM

QUICKSAND

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Originally posted by evilnate:
Actually, according to the books, Han was in the Imperial Academy, and dropped out when he saved Chewbacca.

The books don't count.

I do hope for the ewok thing, though. We can only wish.

(qs)

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:32 PM

JOSSISAGOD

Actually QUICKSAND, not to contridict you but I have "The Essential Guide to Characters of SW" and Han was in the millitary, that was how he and Chewie met. Han was kicked out of the Empire for saveing Chewie. Mal was a Rebel from the Begining.

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:23 AM

ANKHAGOGO

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Originally posted by GunRunner:
But I think Chewie is too Loyal to be Jayne.

Okay,yeah, I can't argue with you there.

If I hadn't been drinking, I could probably think of some insanley complex reason I think Jayne is Chewie, but I have been, so I can't. I just have always thought Jayne was Chewbacca-eqsue, with no actual solid reason involved.

Maybe tomorrow............. :)

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:25 AM

ANKHAGOGO

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Originally posted by Ankhagogo:
I just have always thought Jayne was Chewbacca-eqsue, with no actual solid reason involved.

esque. esque.

The typing skills are the first things to go, me boy-o.

:)

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:34 AM

GWENHARKER

Glad to know I'm not alone. I like the prequels. Yes, I think the "love" story in Ep II didn't live up to the hype (well... it was their love that created that gorram universe!) But I think that the Prequels themselves didn't live up to the hype. 20 years is a long time for people to become set in their hopes and ideas.

Regaurdless of whether or not I don't agree with some stuff in the prequels, they're good. I enjoy them

And how bout that? It's all Jar Jar's fault that the Empire got the foothold it needed to take over. That was a good move on Lucas' part.

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:24 AM

THEGREYJEDI

Well, the love story would have lived up to the hype a little better had there been better chemistry between Hayden and Natalie. Though how anyone can have bad chemistry with a short little piece of tasty like Natalie Portman I'll never know.

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:44 AM

TOMANTA

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Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
Well, the love story would have lived up to the hype a little better had there been better chemistry between Hayden and Natalie. Though how anyone can have bad chemistry with a short little piece of tasty like Natalie Portman I'll never know.

Bad directing, bad writing. Having never seen Hayden in anything else, I can't comment on his acting ability, but there are times where he seems he's just struggling to get the lines across.

Natalie had a couple of really good scenes in EpII... but they were cut.

I have to concurr with the sentiment that the story for the prequals is fine, but the way it's told is not. Thinking about it now, there's nothing wrong with either film that a good script doctor and a decent director couldn't have prevented.

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."

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Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:04 PM

IAMZOE

Natalie Portman almost never has good scenes. At first, in Star Wars, she just wasn't anything much for me (except for the annoying way her clothes always got ripped in a very artistic way in fights), but for some reason she's just really started to irritate me recently.

Did you see Garden State? It got such good reviews, and it wasn't bad, but she just spoilt every scene she was in. Girls just aren't like that. No one is 'kooky' 24-7. She acted like how you act when you're a teenager trying to impress a bloke. So why was she acting like that? Is it because she is permanently flirting with her co-star / the audience? In which case, what about her female audience? Also, the person who wrote that script had never worked in an office, especially not a lawyers one.

End of rant.

Well, almost: the worst possible thing about the new Star Wars films was that scene where the wee boy leaves his mother. In the cinema, you kind of get carried away with the music, and you think, oh, he has to look back, he has to go back... and then he does. It totally ruins the moment. There's no emotional restraint at all. It's so cheesy...

I still like the sword fights though.

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Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:23 PM

FIREFLYFAN23

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Originally posted by iamzoe:
So why was she acting like that?

Because it was in the script?.

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Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:31 PM

IAMZOE

I guess you're right, Fireflyfan23. Though she does often act quite similarly in other films. Perhaps she's just been unlucky with good scripts for female actresses.

Though in the script for Garden State, I have to say there were some good ideas - the silent velcro was genius :)

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Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:44 PM

THEDARKSHAPE

Portman's been fairly stale in the prequels, and I say that as a huge fan of them. I think she's just been a bit bored of her character thus far, though word is she's a lot better in Revenge of the Sith (Lucas actually let the actors improv for a change -- loosens 'em up).

Christensen's a really good actor, as evidenced by Life As a House and Shattered Glass. Even he felt Anakin was simply too much of a whiny teenager in AOTC and asked George if he can cut it back a bit, but GL wants there to be a major contrast between Ep. II Anakin and Ep. III Anakin/Vader.

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Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:30 AM

TOMANTA

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Originally posted by iamzoe:
I guess you're right, Fireflyfan23. Though she does often act quite similarly in other films. Perhaps she's just been unlucky with good scripts for female actresses.

I disagree. Her character in Garden State was very unlike most of the other characters I have seen her play (watch Closer... if you aren't easily offended. Watch her first film, The Professional. I guess Where the Heart Is she's sorta similar to G.S., but not quite to that extreme). The main thing her roles have in common is that her characters are all emotionally older than their actual age (with the possible exception of Garden State).

In any case, there's more to her character in GS than just the sillyness. The sillyness is part upbringing, part of just trying to deal with the world. Oh, and the script was written by Zach Braff... I don't think he has ever worked in a lawyer's office :).

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."

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Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:17 AM

IAMZOE

I haven't seen Closer: the reviews kind of put me off (I read some that said it didn't translate well from stage to screen and there was a bit too much unrealistic chat) - as well as the presence of the lovely Natalie of course. Maybe I should give it a shot.

I just couldn't see past the kooky aspect of her Garden State character though, Tomanta, I just didn't feel there was much to her. For example, she didn't seem to have many friends - and the whole lawyers office thing just bugged me! It was like they had decided she needed a job, but no real thought had been put into why she would ever want to work there. (Though that is really a script problem rather than an acting problem, like the person above said - I'd just thought that since, to me, it seemed like she always chose similar roles, that that was what the actress liked to play best). I just can't imagine any kind of kookiness surviving a lawyers office... though maybe all legal stuff in the US is like Erin Brokovich (!). Or something... Zach Braff was surprisingly good though, for a guy I always just associated with Scrubs.

By the way, where does the 'lady in the lake' line come from? I like it...

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Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:41 AM

SAFFY

"Closer" is a great film, but it's not a feel-good film. I found it especially awkward to watch with someone I love, because it's all about how people can justify selfish actions like infidelity, and how anyone is capable of lying, so you never know. (And if someone cheated to be /with/ you, how can you ever trust them?)

It's hard to watch in places. I think Natalie Portman deserves an Oscar for her role, though. She blew me away.

Episodes 1-3 would have been so much better if Lucas had swallowed his ego and let someone else do the actual writing. The love scene flopped, IMO, because the dialogue was AWFUL!

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Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:16 AM

TOMANTA

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Originally posted by iamzoe:
I haven't seen Closer: the reviews kind of put me off (I read some that said it didn't translate well from stage to screen and there was a bit too much unrealistic chat) - as well as the presence of the lovely Natalie of course. Maybe I should give it a shot.

I just couldn't see past the kooky aspect of her Garden State character though, Tomanta, I just didn't feel there was much to her. For example, she didn't seem to have many friends - and the whole lawyers office thing just bugged me! It was like they had decided she needed a job, but no real thought had been put into why she would ever want to work there. (Though that is really a script problem rather than an acting problem, like the person above said - I'd just thought that since, to me, it seemed like she always chose similar roles, that that was what the actress liked to play best). I just can't imagine any kind of kookiness surviving a lawyers office... though maybe all legal stuff in the US is like Erin Brokovich (!). Or something... Zach Braff was surprisingly good though, for a guy I always just associated with Scrubs.

By the way, where does the 'lady in the lake' line come from? I like it...

Closer... well, I haven't seen it on stage but I'd say it did translate pretty well. Too well, in that it feels more like they filmed a play than made a movie at times (not a bad thing). Most of the complaints were that the ending was changed, but it was only changed a little bit (the last scene was left off). As for unrealistic chat... how is that different than ANY movie?

Garden State: She works at the lawyers office because of the great insurance. I'd have to watch the scene again, but I remember getting the impression that she didn't particularly like the job but stayed because of that.

While it's not demonstrated well I think it's reasonably clear that she can restrain the 'kookiness'. Most of it is seen early in the film, which could imply it was at least partially a reaction to being attracted to Zach's character, maybe a defense mechanism due to bad experiences in her past. In any case, just a differing opinion... I found the character perfectly realistic. Not someone you would meet everyday, but that was part of the point, too. (I'm assuming she has friends and we just didn't see them :).

And my sig is from Monty Python & The Holy Grail :).

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government."

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