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Originally posted by Swatter:
I was hoping Firefly would have a chance but it seems to have everything going against it with another re-shoot of the pilot. I like sci-fi shows like Firefly but why did Fox give it the timeslot of death? I used to watch sliders and tons of good sci-fi shows on friday nights on Fox only to have them all cancelled. Is the second pilot so bad that they won't move it back to Sunday night?

I love Gina Torres and she's gonna be the best actresses on the show...I just wished they re-cast the rest of the parts. They seem..lacking.

These are just my opinons and not a slight against Firefly. I just wish they gave the show a real shot is all.

I hope Joss doesn't burnout doing all these shows. I'll be angry if Buffy and Angel start to stink cause he spent too much time on firefly.

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Originally posted by Shoe:
The people at FOX are lazy and just expect pop culture hits to happen.

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Originally posted by Shoe:
The people at FOX are lazy and just expect pop culture hits to happen.

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You know what I find ironic, both Buffy and Angel are produced by FOX, and both are successful because they're not on FOX.

FOX is probably more successful at being a studio than they are at being a network.

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Originally posted by Swatter:
I say the actors are lacking because I've seen their other body of work and judged it on that. No, I've read it and read the reviews by others who saw it. Even Fox said the first one stunk.

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Originally posted by Swatter:
Why was Firefly moved from it's original Sunday timeslot to the timeslot of death? Why was it slated to be released at mid season instead of the fall? Why did is Fox paying for another pilot? Networks don't like shelling out money unless they have to.

It's obvious Fox didn't like the original one.

I've never said "it su@ked". I just said it stunk. I've never used a single word of profanity on this board and the word above is a quote from you.

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Originally posted by malcolm:
You're right about Fox hating to spend more money on another pilot, that's why I think they will definitely put the "original" pilot on the air sometime. I hope.

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TIMMINEAR

Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 11:06


To clear up a few things: the so-called "new pilot" is in fact the first episode. The original pilot -- which, by the way, is awesome -- will likely air as a two hour "event," as has been stated here. A kind of "origins" piece. When Joss and I broke the story for the first episode, we kept this in mind. I got to co-write the new script with Joss, and it's the same show. There has not been some major "retooling."

The new script also works as a good introduction to the show, in my opinion.

The pilot, "Serenity," was a big part of why I wanted to do "Firefly." It does a thing... a thing that I adore (but the very thing that I think makes the network nervous to air it as the public's first exposure to a new series on their airwaves...) What I mean is, it works on you. It gets under your skin. At least, it did to me. It unfolds. Reveals itself to you. That's a thing Joss is great at. It stayed with me the day I saw it, and I woke up the next day thinking about it. I got a little obsessed with it.

Then, maybe a week or so after I saw it, Joss visited me on the set of "Angel" and asked me to come and make more "Firefly" stories with him. Uh... yeah. Ready for the ride.

Tim Minear

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Originally posted by Shuggie:
sucked is profanity?

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Originally posted by malcolm:


FF was never programmed for either a Sunday night timeslot or a midseason release. There was alot of speculation that it would go into the X-Files slot, but that predated the pilot being written. Fox chose to counterprogram a successful comedy (Malcolm) against three dramas SOPRANOS, ANGEL, & ALIAS (probably a smart move -- damn those ANGEL hating bastards at the WB.)

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Originally posted by Pandora:
Firefly in the timeslot of death.

Firstly, though James Cameron may be a popular filmmaker, especially in the action genre, I don't think that his involvement in DA was nearly as great as Joss' seems to be on his shows. That being the case, DA mostly had his name and not much else, from what I can tell.

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:

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Originally posted by Pandora:
Firefly in the timeslot of death.

Cameron didn't a very good job of casting Dark Angel. I mean, damnit, the heroine is a post-apocolypse genetically enhanced superwomen obsessed with her own mysterious past. Jessica Alba seems to think it's all a minor variation on BH90210!

By contrast, Whedon has always been really good at casting. Sometimes I'm astonished at the people he digs up. That lady who plays Hallie is typical. I mean, WTF ever heard of her? But she's perfect. And to top it off, her first name is Kali!

http://www.siamese-dream.com/reference/kali.html

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if U were not a DA watcher U can't know if JA was fit for the role or not.Just ask one of the millions of DA fans btw

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Originally posted by fireflyslayer493:

if U were not a DA watcher U can't know if JA was fit for the role or not.Just ask one of the millions of DA fans btw

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:

I did watch it. I'm a sucker for post-apocolypse stories. I turned it off midway through one episode because I couldn't take that vacant smile one more second. That's not acting, that's strutting and saying your lines

Millions of people do lots of stupid things. Seig Heil!

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Nana Visitor was on Dark Angel? I must have stopped watching before she showed up. If I'd known, I might have stuck around. Then again, I sort of associate her with the sputtering, gruesome finale to DS9.

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
I liked DS9 for a couple of seasons. A little more thoughtful than the other Star Trek series. But for the last couple of seasons, most of the stories were just excuses to blow up lots of spaceships. Coincidentally, that started about the time Independence Day came out.

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Originally posted by InarasNewToy:


Oh Dear!

I compleatly disagree here. There is no possible way you can say that DS9 was just an excuse to blow up ships. Yes, some of those bigger Dominon war did have sweeping star battles but it never, EVER let you forget that their were supposed to be real peaple on those ships.

It was just so very powerful when Sisko had the MIA/KIA reports displayed in a manner very similar to the Vietman War Memorial.

Go and watch episodes like The Siege of AR-47 and Sacrifice of Angels and then come back here and we will discuss this again!

DS9 RULES!

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Originally posted by J:
INT - I'm in complete agreement with you on DS9. Even as you were bringing them up, I was thinking specifically about "The Siege of AR-47" and the roster of the dead. Zicsoft just doesn't want to admit that anything that happens to have an exploding spaceship in it can also be great.

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I can't remember the ep titles, but the one where Sisko ended up burying his head in his hands due to the fact that he felt he'd had no choice but to get his hands dirty - something about screwing the Romulans or playing allies off against each other or something -

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Originally posted by J:

I can't remember the ep titles, but the one where Sisko ended up burying his head in his hands due to the fact that he felt he'd had no choice but to get his hands dirty - something about screwing the Romulans or playing allies off against each other or something - all the issues with Section 9 or whatever it was called...

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Originally posted by J:
Yeah - I mean those as separate things - the Section 31(?) stuff being an additional sub-arc that was full of moral complexities of a meaner, rougher Federation. Thanks for the title.

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As far as Ezri/Nicole - Jadzia/Terry was so much a favorite of mine that I couldn't have been happy with any replacement. So I wouldn't argue about her, just because I know I'm extremely biased.

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