Why we write by Aramina

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Why we write

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:36 AM

As part of my course I've been reading a lot of theory about fan production (fan art/fic/vids etc) and they all say how it's a power struggle and meaning negotiation etc etc. Some of the theorists also say that it's play, but I want to know what makes it play.

If you're a fan writer/artist etc, do you think that while you're writing you're playing, or does it feel more serious than that? Can you explain why?

If you enjoy reading fan fic, why do you enjoy reading stories that aren't necessarily canon?

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:45 AM

RIELPRYN

Play. At least that's why I do it. I get to take these characters that I love and have them act out things I would really like to see. I get to play in this make believe world that helps me escape from my heap of a life. I just get a lot of joy out of it.

Gabriel Pryn
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
Browncoats of Memphis: http://firefly.meetup.com/53/

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:55 AM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

When I did write Fanfic, it was mostly play, with a tiny little thread of 'the series is really wasting its potential, so I'm going to play with the ideas' (I mostly wrote fanfic for Sliders).

Now I don't really write fanfic at all, what writing I do (mainly my alternaljournal right now, in my sig) is still mainly for fun. I also occasionally RP in worlds with established canon histories, and in that case, that, too, is all for fun.

Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/newnumber6 (real)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alternaljournal (fictional, travelling through another world)
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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:19 AM

ARAMINA

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Originally posted by Rielpryn:
Play. At least that's why I do it. I get to take these characters that I love and have them act out things I would really like to see. I get to play in this make believe world that helps me escape from my heap of a life. I just get a lot of joy out of it.

Thanks, that's very interesting.

When you say you escape from your life, do you think you could explain how writing becomes an escape for you? Do you think there's an imaginary line somewhere that you cross when you start to write?

I know that when I read fiction I like to be able to forget the fact that I'm sat in my room surrounded by all my junk and really immerse myself in my imagination. But when I write I find that I get easily distracted by things that are going on around me.

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:24 AM

ARAMINA

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Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
When I did write Fanfic, it was mostly play, with a tiny little thread of 'the series is really wasting its potential, so I'm going to play with the ideas' (I mostly wrote fanfic for Sliders).

So when you say that you were going to play with ideas because the series was wasting its potential, how hard did you try to stick to canon? Did you follow all the canon, or make up your own rules as to what you used from canon and what you didn't?

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:35 AM

SHINY

Play. It's just a creative outlet, and the characters and universe is so rich that you can just dive right it without having to do all the hard work of inventing them. ;)

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:03 PM

KAYSKY

Play. Fanfic has been a great outlet. Life is a bit hectic right now. My world of fanfiction is stress free and anything goes. If it became something other than fun, I don't think I'd continue doing it.

Everyone needs an outlet. For now, Firefly is mine. Ask me six months from now and it might be different. The future is unpredictable.

***
All work and no play makes for very dull people. Or however the hell that saying goes.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:17 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Quote:
Originally posted by Aramina:
Quote:
Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
When I did write Fanfic, it was mostly play, with a tiny little thread of 'the series is really wasting its potential, so I'm going to play with the ideas' (I mostly wrote fanfic for Sliders).

So when you say that you were going to play with ideas because the series was wasting its potential, how hard did you try to stick to canon? Did you follow all the canon, or make up your own rules as to what you used from canon and what you didn't?

Well, in case you're unfamiliar with the series, Sliders was about a group of people who travelled through alternative universes, where history went slightly differently. So mainly what I did was stick with the rules of the show and the characters and history within, but put them in (what I felt to be) more creative situations than they were doing in the show, except I set my stories in the time period of the show that I liked best. However, occasionally I also would keep (roughly) the same rules of the show but set the story around different versions of the main characters deliberately to, for example, do a story where the characters missed their window to slide and, as the rules of the show state, you had to wait for 30 years for the next window (and after mid season 3 I didn't like Maggie so I wrote most of my stories either in the past or an alternate group where Maggie never joined)

There were times I think where the show made some weird decision about how things operated that I decided to ignore (for example, at times they mentioned that they had a '2 mile radius', so that when they slid out of one world, they slid into the next within 2 miles of the location. Later, storywise, they made the radius 500 miles. In the final season, they suddenly made the claim that if they were outside of the 500 mile radius when the timer was off, they couldn't slide at all).

Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/newnumber6 (real)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alternaljournal (fictional, travelling through another world)
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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:49 PM

ARAMINA

Quote:
Originally posted by Shiny:
Play. It's just a creative outlet, and the characters and universe is so rich that you can just dive right it without having to do all the hard work of inventing them. ;)

Ooh it's interesting how you note the difference between the work and play aspects. So do you think that anything about fan fiction that is hard work?

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:51 PM

ARAMINA

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Originally posted by KaySky:
Everyone needs an outlet. For now, Firefly is mine. Ask me six months from now and it might be different. The future is unpredictable.

So have you written fan fiction for other series then?

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:55 PM

ARAMINA

Yeah, I used to watch Sliders, mostly off and on but I generally kept track of the series until the latest ones. I often found myself inventing new worlds and rules of sliding to make things more interesting in my head. I never got round to writing things down though. I never seem to get round to doing much lately :)

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:12 PM

MALSDOXY

I know what did this...

Play. I don't even know why I had to write FanFics about Firefly. I've never been compelled to write about any other series I liked. And compelled is the word, let's make no mistake about that. It was and is fun, to write and read them.

"Haven't you killed me enough for one day ?"
- Mal, War Stories

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:30 PM

REGINAROADIE

Well, for me, it's both fun and serious. The fun for me coming up with new ideas for future fanfics, creating dialouge that sounds similar to Joss's dialogue style, and seeing where each of these things lead. Like right now, I'm thinking of branching off River's newfound musical enthusiasm into different sects. And I even have a few pages of another future fan fic written down, which I don't want to debut until I've established River's musical abilities well enough. But the serious aspect of that is attaining the bar with my writing. Am I writing something that'll be read frequently in the Blue Sun Room? Am I writing something that, if the show continued, would be considered a treatment for a future episode? Would both a die-hard Browncoat and an uninitiated person read and enjoy what I write. This is stuff I consider when I write anything.

I like reading fanfics by specific authors (KaySky in particular) and seeing how every fan adds his or her own persepective and interpretation on the series and it's characters. In a way, I think these fanfics arn't power struggles, but a way to help continue on the series in our minds. At least until the BDM. And these fanfics cater to everyone. Want dark, brooding, serious stuff? The there are some stories for you. Want light hearted, short and humorous stuff, there's that as well. If you want porn, poetry or avant-garde stuff, I'm sure you can find something like that as well.

"NO HAI ES BANDAI. THERE IS....NO.....BAND. AND YET....WE HEAR A BAND."

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:57 PM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by Aramina:
Quote:
Originally posted by Shiny:
Play. It's just a creative outlet, and the characters and universe is so rich that you can just dive right it without having to do all the hard work of inventing them. ;)

Ooh it's interesting how you note the difference between the work and play aspects. So do you think that anything about fan fiction that is hard work?

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

Mostly just coming up with new story ideas when I have writer's block and everyone's yelling at me to hurry up and post the next part:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=1674

Then again, my fanfic was quite short. I imagine writing novel-length chapters would be hard. Not even sure where I'd start. I like short stories better...'cuz I'm lazy.

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:08 PM

SHADESIREN

I am personally NOT a fan of fan-fiction, in GENERAL.. TOo often, I see fan-fiction is a way for someone to write out their personal "I have a crush on this character and I love this show, so if I could play a character and live out my personal fantasy here it is... big surprise, the character I have a crush on just LOVES my made up character and we have all kinds of smoochiness while having adventures..." you can see why I got tired of trying to read fan-fiction. Now, I'm CERTAINLY not trying to say everyone writes like that, so no one should feel a need to defend themselves - I just see WAY too much of that, and it turned me off fan-fiction, cuz it was real hard to find stuff that WASN'T like that. Now, I prefer not to read too much of it, because no matter how we try, we are NOT the creators of those characters, everyone writes their INTERPRETATION of a character, so it's filtered through the writer's perceptions, and rarely lives up to the original.

Ok, all that crap said, I HAVE tried to write a fan-fic. Twice. I specifically will not use any main character created in teh show, because I do believe that by trying to write for them, I guess it kinda tarnishes them - they aren't what they were in the show, and it makes me kinda sad. I wrote one firefly fan-fic, which I did not finish, but instead re-invented as a cooperative writing project now known as The Oberon. ( http://www.oberonrpg.com ). Several people like how I handle it - Canon IS life - I will not allow ANYONE to CHANGE the universe. Yes, we do invent some things, go to places that weren't in the show, but I'm very strict about not writing things that could be invalidated by the Serenity movie. We had someone try to write up a bunch of stuff about the Companion Guild and Companion Academy - I felt bad, but I had to veto it. We may learn more in the movie(s) and therefore, she had to simply leave it as vague and suggested. Not as spelled out. I'm strict like that, and I believe our game is better for it.

The other fan-fic I wrote is gone, it was an attempt at a Regency Vampire Slayer romance. It was dumb, and I never went very far with it. Again - I never used any established characters from Buffy, and didn't even use any settings.

Ok, to answer some of what you asked, we do it for play, because we love the show, and wanted more - we also like the idea of having a part of it - is that power? I suppose, in a way, ti is. To me, it's kinda ownership - we own a tiny, teeny piece of firefly now. Not the kind of ownership where you make money, but it's a part of us. We LOVE what Joss created, and now, it's a part of us in a new way, beyond just watching it on the tv or movie screen. We have a lot of fun - I enjoy writing, enjoy the challenge of writing with others, and the process of creating the story and describing the actions.

I've written original stuff, too, and it's pretty much the same thing to me. Original stuff means it's all out of my head, fan-fic stuff just means someone else thought up some of it first.

Ok, I probably went on way to much. Hope no one was offended, that wasn't my intent. Trying to be honest, that's all.

http://www.shadesiren.com

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:08 PM

SHINY

Incidentally, if you are studying fan creations more broadly than just fanfic, you might want to talk to some of these folks:

http://www.panicstruckpro.com/revelations

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/25/0452201&tid=214&tid=97

http://www.toknowajedi.com/

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:17 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Quote:
Originally posted by Shadesiren:
I am personally NOT a fan of fan-fiction, in GENERAL.. TOo often, I see fan-fiction is a way for someone to write out their personal "I have a crush on this character and I love this show, so if I could play a character and live out my personal fantasy here it is... big surprise, the character I have a crush on just LOVES my made up character and we have all kinds of smoochiness while having adventures..." you can see why I got tired of trying to read fan-fiction. Now, I'm CERTAINLY not trying to say everyone writes like that, so no one should feel a need to defend themselves - I just see WAY too much of that, and it turned me off fan-fiction, cuz it was real hard to find stuff that WASN'T like that.

Ah, the 'Mary Sue' phenomenon. Yeah, it's one of the reasons I'm not more into reading fanfic... although there's good stuff out there, it's hard to filter out the good from the vast majority of bad.

Star Pilot Grainger
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."
LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/users/newnumber6 (real)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/alternaljournal (fictional, travelling through another world)
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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:37 PM

KAYSKY

Quote:
Originally posted by Aramina:
So have you written fan fiction for other series then?

The only other fanfic I wrote was back when I was 14-15. Those were my teenybopper days, so needless to say all the fanfic was about the BSB.
I also used to write a series of original fiction. At 14 I wanted to be a writer. My goal was to have a complete novel by age 20. That didn't even come close to happening.
Now I just enjoy the pleasure I get from writing Firefly fanfic. I suppose if another show inspired me, I would at least dabble in writing a fanfic or two about that, but so far no other inspiration.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:44 PM

KAYSKY

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:

I like reading fanfics by specific authors (KaySky in particular) and seeing how every fan adds his or her own persepective and interpretation on the series and it's characters.

You're sweet.

Thanks.

Your fanfics definitely rank on the top of my list for most enjoyable.

****

To write, or not to write. That is the question.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:56 PM

COZEN

I see the purpose of fanfic as a twofold process.

One, those who are not professional writers, but have wanted to scratch that particular itch in an anonymous envrironment, with the added bonus of having a leg up with an established storyline, can safely post away in favourable circumstances. If you check out the commentaries, you simply never see anything along the lines of "this sucks", or "go die you amateur dork". Reviews are always positive. Leaving me to believe that those who don't like a story, or series, just don't bother responding. Hence, a safe environment to develop confidence in one's writing, albeit not particularly conducive to critical assessment.

Two, think about the website you're reading, lurking, contributing to. Isn't a significant purpose of fanfic to keep our favourite series alive? In the case of Firefly, aren't the fanfic posters keeping up the interest in the FF characters, at least until the BDM premiers?

If the movie bombs, such that Universal drops Firefly entirely, who else is going to keep our favourite characters alive but the fanfic martyrs?

Me, I'm unabashedly a Firefly fanfic fan. I don't reasonably expect Whedonesque quality. After all, JW is first and foremost a professional writer, it's what he has trained to be, it's what he earns his living by. Having said that, some of the good old ordinary people posting to this site are pretty damn good storytellers, each with their own perspective. I love 'em all, good, bad or indifferent.

***
Here's hoping Guildsister's real life slows down just enough....

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:02 PM

KAYSKY

Quote:
Originally posted by cozen:
I see the purpose of fanfic as a twofold process.

One, those who are not professional writers, but have wanted to scratch that particular itch in an anonymous envrironment, with the added bonus of having a leg up with an established storyline, can safely post away in favourable circumstances.

Yep, that sounds like me alright.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:19 PM

RIELPRYN

Quote:
Originally posted by Aramina:
When you say you escape from your life, do you think you could explain how writing becomes an escape for you?

I makes me forget that my cat just choked on my fish. I get to play in a fantasy w/out actually playing anything out and possibly getting strange looks and jackets w/ extra long arms.

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Do you think there's an imaginary line somewhere that you cross when you start to write?

Maybe it's the fact that here it's 1am, but I don't quite understand this question.

Quote:
I know that when I read fiction I like to be able to forget the fact that I'm sat in my room surrounded by all my junk and really immerse myself in my imagination. But when I write I find that I get easily distracted by things that are going on around me.

Not that I'm a shrink or all, but when I can't concentrate on something, it generally means I'm not as interested as I thought I was, or maybe I just need to get rid of all that distracting "junk"

Gabriel Pryn
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
Browncoats of Memphis: http://firefly.meetup.com/53/

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:42 AM

MANWITHPEZ

Important people don't do field work.

As strange as this is going to sound, I like to write fanfic, but I dislike reading it...and that includes my own. My own because any error in grammar and spelling and character misuse is so glaring to me that it almost hurts to look at it. And, don't ask me why, but I don't like reading other's fanfic, because when they make the same mistakes I do, it makes me cringe. My fanfic here has been for fun. But, I didn't ever take it so seriously that I tried to change formula or tried to mash characters together that weren't together. Sometimes, in the course of watching the show I'll be thinking "Wash and Zoe's marriage seems on the brink sometimes...I wonder what would strain it to the breaking point." And, those thought end up in the fanfic. Would I ever break up Wash and Zoe in a fanfic...of course not. Because that would change the status quo. So, I write it for fun, but I'm serious about sticking to formula...That probably doesn't answer your question at all.

I'm good at that.

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:46 AM

IMEARLY

I write to support my way through school, so if I didn't write for fun, I would be unable to write at all.

Although when it comes to Firefly, I have made two Fan Vid's, and working on a third for I-Con. These I do for the same reason the NAVY has resorted to Godsmack.

New Recruits.

……I smell a plug coming……

Now you can check out the reason I resorted to Godsmack, download Serenity….

http://homepage.mac.com/rocketplane/FileSharing8.html

So you're a bounty hunter.
No, that ain't it at all.
Then what are you?
I'm a bounty hunter.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:55 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

If I write a fanfic, I never use any of the characters from whatever universe I'm writing about. I might mention those characters everyone's familiar with, but I prefer to create characters. That gives me some freedom to develop them as I want to.

However, if I write a fanfic, it's usually more to read responses to whatever I've written. I prefer fanfics with other writers where we're all familiar with the universe and can respond to each other. That's the bomb. If it's a solo writing project, then I write in my universe. Maybe someday it'll be available for others to read, but right now, I'm still in pre-production

"You're either in or you're out, and I'm playing to the in."

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:05 AM

ARAMINA

Quote:

Do you think there's an imaginary line somewhere that you cross when you start to write?

Maybe it's the fact that here it's 1am, but I don't quite understand this question.

Sorry, I think I missed some words out! I meant to ask if you think there's an imaginary line between real life stuff and fiction stuff you cross when you start to write. Meaning is it possible for you to shut out what is going on around you when you write, or does real life overlap onto your writing mind?

Hope that's clearer!

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:14 AM

ARAMINA

A few people have commented that they prefer to write fiction with new characters rather than existing and I'm curious as to why they like to use the 'verse created by the show to do this.

Also, I tried to apply a theory to fanfic and the only thing I got hung up on was 'Quantitive outcomes' meaning that the results can be translated into numbers. For example, in a first person shooter game the number of people you kill, or number of times you capture the flag, is what makes you win or lose. Can anyone think of any ways that fan production can be converted to numbers, besides the number of pieces created?

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:50 PM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave

It's play for me. But also a way to continue the 'verse, at least for myself, and if done well, for others also. If I can't come up with a viable story that stays true to the original, then for me there's no point to it.

I'm one who doesn't go for non-canon as a rule, but I do give it a read once in awhile, just to see what it's about. Some of the more interesting ideas start to percolate that way.

Fans come and fans go...but zealots are with you until the bitter black end.
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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:12 PM

KMS

Quote:
Originally posted by Aramina
Also, I tried to apply a theory to fanfic and the only thing I got hung up on was 'Quantitive outcomes' meaning that the results can be translated into numbers. For example, in a first person shooter game the number of people you kill, or number of times you capture the flag, is what makes you win or lose. Can anyone think of any ways that fan production can be converted to numbers, besides the number of pieces created?

Interesting that you ask such a question in this forum. Just hop over to the Blue Sun Room and pick any fic. It will tell you all kinds of statistics, from date posted, number of times the story has been read, and the rating given by readers. add to that the number of member posted comments at the bottom and I'd call that a 'Quantitive outcome' if ever there was one.

KMS
'We're not obsessed, we're focused.'--Gizzie

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Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:53 AM

ARAMINA

KMS, thanks. Great suggestion... sometimes I can be such a dumbass.

When I think of an interesting signature you'll be the first to know.

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Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:15 AM

KESSIE

Good Question Aramina!
Hm my answer would be the same like the ones of the others, Fanfic is an outlet and play for me, if i write it( havent done in a long time now) i do it to relax ...

With original things its a bit different, its some kind of play too, but its also interesting to build a world from the start and to see it evolve. Also i tend to put more meanings and messages in the original stuff, i dont know why!
Btw hows your book going?

They say it’s the last song
They don’t know us, you see
Its only the last song
If we let it be

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