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Originally posted by Static with regard to Sanmi77:
For the love of God...if you have a problem with another poster, folks...IGNORE that poster. If they ARE a troll, you're only feeding the beast. If they are NOT a troll, you're making us look like trolls ourselves.

It's SO EASY to NOT READ something.

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Originally posted by Starrbaby:
I agree that it is useless (and above all tactless) to correct someone's grammer.
The thread a bunch of us have going about our grammer woes is more to just get stupid crap off our overly-picky chests.

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However, I know that if anything in my posts, (be it spelling, grammer, or just not being clear enough) was hindering others' ability to understand it, I'd like it pointed out to me nicely.

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Originally posted by Malicious:
Channain, that was WAY more than "a word" by my count! There were at least 40 or 50 words, I think.

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So would I, but too much has been said unkindly here lately,

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Originally posted by Channain:
But too much has been said unkindly here lately...

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It's your language too. Learn to use it.

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Originally posted by Starrbaby:
I must agree.
I have been one who has tried to help certain people clarify. I do hope that it hasn't come across as unkind.

Oh well, if it did come across unkindly, the person I directed it at was a troll . . .and not just trollish; he was a definate flame baiter.

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Originally posted by Astragynia:
I would like to add one thing - it's extremely possible that there are people on this site for whom English is NOT their first language. Because of the anonymous nature of posting online - we never hear a person's accent, for example - we can never know whether somebody's incorrect grammar or spelling is due to laziness or whether they are struggling mightily to write something as correctly as they know how (or somewhere in between).

This is an issue I've grown much more sensitive to recently, from living in the province of Quebec. Hearing people apologize for their English when their English is far, far better than my French (and in many cases these may be people who are even tri- or quadrilingual) has been a humbling experience.

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Originally posted by Spikesbabe:
I'm dyslexic (who new that word was hard to spell). It's why I don't post much, it takes me reading and re-reading to make sure my spellings are correct, sometimes I have to check with other sources, my grammar (in particular use of punctutation) is terrible. But I hope my posts make sense, I would welcome someone (in a nice way) telling that I don't make sense.

It's called 'constructive criticism' (and yes I had to check that) some people can take the view that's it's having a go, or flaming, personally i'd rather someone tell me i'm wrong than carry on in ignorance but that might just be me.

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Originally posted by Gavida:

I don't like being flamed for mistakes I make when posting something. I will accept it though, if it is written in proper german by someone who speaks english as native language hehe

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My grammar sucks really bad, I throw commas and periods where I "feel" they belong.

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The English education system is a little... ah... lax when it comes to teaching grammar... So I make it up

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I think a lotta folks weren't offended so much by the grammar as the trolling, and simply jumped on that issue as well.

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Originally posted by Kellaina:
I wasn't initially going to respond to this, but it's been bothering me, so here I go.

I guess what is bothering me about this is the implication that a group of browncoats are inconsiderate, unkind 'grammar-philes' ready to jump down the throats of anyone who makes a mistake simply because they chose to respond to an admitted troll (ndugu NOT Samni). I understand the point you're trying to make, but I'm not sure this is the way to go about it.

*I apologize if this isn't as coherent as I intended, I'm trying very hard not to offend anyone by accident (the whole spoken vs written thing).

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
OOOooo... can we storm the castle with torches and pitchforks ? I always love the part when we do that !

Hahah, just kiddin Chan *huggles*

It's all gooood.

-F

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Originally posted by Channain:
I wouldn't have written this if I didn't expect honest responses.

And if not here, then where? I thought about doing it as a blog, but once that got buried, no one would see it again unless they looked up my profile on a whim and I'm not important enough for that. I also don't get into enough trouble for that either.

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I know phenominally bad grammar is one clear sign that the originator is a troll, but it shouldn't condemn someone before they even get a chance to be included in this fandom. I understand that ngudu had everyone on edge (with good reason), but it seems some folks are getting just a tad jumpy. Not all the time... but often.

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Back in the day, Succatash used to stir things up too. He did it creatively, and he caused a ruckus, but his view and voraciousness were respected. These days, he may have been labeled a troll.

Heck, I'm expecting to be troll-i-fied any minute now.

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Originally posted by Malicious:
Channain, that was WAY more than "a word" by my count! There were at least 40 or 50 words, I think.

Mal-licious

I think I will add cursing and the hurling about of things to my repertoire.

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SargeantX wrote
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SargeantX wrote
What gets on my nerves, and I suspect is at the heart of a lot the flamers' frustrations, is the current trend by some to intentionally butcher the language as a kind 'style'. I'm talking about the kind of people who deliberately avoid capitalization and punctuation (and most other grammar conventions) because they think it's cool or something.

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
C'mon... this isn't a tolerance issue. You know what I'm talking about. It's like the kid who goes to a job interview speaking in convoluted 'ebonics' and walks away upset because he was rejected.

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In most of the cases I'm referring to, it is virtually impossible to understand what the person is trying to say. I can't be sure if this is a 'style' issue or because they just don't care enough to be clear. I tend toward the latter conclusion, because I've read the kind of liberalized formatting you've mentioned and it can be done reasonably

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Originally posted by Malicious:
Channain, that was WAY more than "a word" by my count! There were at least 40 or 50 words, I think.

Mal-licious

I think I will add cursing and the hurling about of things to my repertoire.

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Channain, you must forgive Malicious. It will be her half-birthday in May, and nobody has planned a party yet!

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
By the way, would anyone be up for a campaign to bring Succatash back? Or is that one of those 'be careful what you wish for' kind of things?

SergeantX

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Originally posted by Channain:
Still, most of us are more accustomed to tradition, which means punctuation (periods, please!) where it's supposed to be and initial capping where it's supposed to be too. Not everybody is a walking talking dictionary, and I think most of us can look past all that... right Chris?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay. I went back over every post of mine since I discovered this wonderful place, and I counted no less than 123 spelling errors, 64 letters that should have been capitalized, 42 punctuation errors, and 14 really badly worded sentances.

The very humbled Chrisisall

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Originally posted by tlacook:
Nice! I am going to write that author down.

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