New almost official site? by hippydog

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New almost official site?

POSTED BY: HIPPYDOG
UPDATED: Thursday, February 20, 2003 06:54
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Saturday, February 15, 2003 8:50 AM

Over at FOX's site it looks like the majority of people (all 12) have chosen this as the 'Alternate' site..
Being new here and a little skeptic after some of the rumours I heard that whent on in the 'buffy fan sites'.
I was wondering if haken and tieka, (and anyone else involved heavily with this site)would be willing to tell us a little about themselves..

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:07 AM

SUCCATASH

It's not really my place to respond, but your request strikes me as a little odd.

It's great that everyone loves this site. Not sure what you mean about the Buffy rumors.

Not sure why you're asking Haken to cough up personal info.

Something smells fishy!

Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:23 AM

KAYTHRYN

A big ditto to what Succatash said. I love this site, so let us leave it's creators personal info personal.

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:14 AM

HIPPYDOG

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Not sure why you're asking Haken to cough up personal info.

You invest time, make friends, in a certain site, the last thing you want is the moderator to be some sort of hidden hitler.

Why is it wrong to ask someone about themselves?

Just my 2 Cents.

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:25 AM

SERGEANTX

Haken is a mysterious character indeed. Little is known about his past, only that he comes from 'parts unknown' and is believed to be immortal. Its considered unwise to ask anything more. Those that did, well, no one really knows what happened to them. I do share your suspicions however. It seems that all Haken's efforts programming and working to keep this site up are all a part of his diabolical plan to turn us all into Farscape fans. Maybe you'd like to join my new resistance front?

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:26 AM

SERGEANTX

Just kidding, Hippydog.

Relax and have fun. Haken's a good guy.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:01 AM

STRAYCAT

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Originally posted by hippydog:

You invest time, make friends, in a certain site, the last thing you want is the moderator to be some sort of hidden hitler.

Why is it wrong to ask someone about themselves?

Just my 2 Cents.

Fair point - but it's still up to Haken as to what he divulges. All I know about him is this:

He's created a site which I can only describe as a labour of love, and everyone's responded appropriately. I've seen no trolls, virtually no nastiness (a little bit directed at Fox, but not nearly as much as I believe they deserve

) - even if he doesn't respond to you in person, which he likely will, believe us other folks that hang around the site.

This is a good place to be. And thank you, Haken, for making it for us.

Andy

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:44 AM

SARAHETC

As SergeantX once said, though not in this thread, Haken is both a gentleman and a scholar.

And that is enough for us.

And we are a damn fine bunch of people round these parts, if I do say so myself. Set a spell.

Sarah

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Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:39 PM

HIPPYDOG

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Originally posted by Straycat:
I've seen no trolls, virtually no nastiness

This is what scares me..:)
I don't pull my punches, I would rather have a lively discussion with a crack addict, then a lovely quiet talk with a preacher.
I hate all forms of censorship, UNLESS all other ways to stop someone from abusing another rights have been taken..

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This is a good place to be. And thank you, Haken, for making it for us.

don't get me wrong, I have heard nothing but good things about this site. and it does look great.

Just my 2 Cents.

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Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:48 PM

SABI

Hi Hippydog. I'm from the official site as well. It's nice to see you here.

And I agree with you about the comics. :)

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Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:38 PM

SUCCATASH

I've changed my mind. I think Haken should publish his life story.

If he is going to provide this site to us for free, it is only fair the he tells us personal info.

I am scared too, wondering if Haken is a "Hidden Hitler." It is very possible, and I think we all need to learn more about Haken.

What if we invest a lot of time into this site, but it turns out that Haken is bad? I cannot take this chance.

Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?

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Monday, February 17, 2003 8:29 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

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Originally posted by Succatash:
If he is going to provide this site to us for free, it is only fair the he tells us personal info.

In a million years I would have never figured this was an issue for the same reason that I know nothing about the people who make the TV series or any of you who come to my site.

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I am scared too, wondering if Haken is a "Hidden Hitler." It is very possible, and I think we all need to learn more about Haken.

Don't you think "Hidden Hitler" is a bit harsh? Let me outright tell you right now--I'm bad to the bone.

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What if we invest a lot of time into this site, but it turns out that Haken is bad? I cannot take this chance.

And, last time I checked, no one has invested more time, energy, and resources in this site than I have.

Here's three simple rule that this site goes by:

1. This site is private property for the same reason your home is a private property. As such, I can pretty much do whatever I want for the same reasons you can do whatever you want in your own home.

2. Visitors are welcome because we're having one big extended party to watch and enjoy Firefly.

3. This is a free country. You have a choice. I have a choice. Everyone knows where the door is. And for the same reasons why visitors can come to your home and you can refuse entry or kick them out of your house, I can do the same for the same reasons.

Having said that, I don't see what the big deal is. Don't ask. Don't tell. And just enjoy the party while it's happening.

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Monday, February 17, 2003 8:47 AM

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Well said Haken. Thanks for the great party!

May Serenity keep flying.

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Monday, February 17, 2003 10:45 AM

SARAHETC

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Here's three simple rule that this site goes by:

1. This site is private property for the same reason your home is a private property. As such, I can pretty much do whatever I want for the same reasons you can do whatever you want in your own home.

2. Visitors are welcome because we're having one big extended party to watch and enjoy Firefly.

3. This is a free country. You have a choice. I have a choice. Everyone knows where the door is. And for the same reasons why visitors can come to your home and you can refuse entry or kick them out of your house, I can do the same for the same reasons.

Having said that, I don't see what the big deal is. Don't ask. Don't tell. And just enjoy the party while it's happening.

In a previous life, Haken was a history professor, obviously, and this is why I respect him so much.

Because we don't and shan't know personal info about each other, I suggest we make up catchy lies. For instance, I heard that Haken makes really great burritos.

Or would that be burritoes?

Sarah

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:11 AM

HIPPYDOG

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Originally posted by Succatash:

Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?

No, but your mother and I watch it in bed..
:)

your oddly defensive...?

Just my 2 Cents.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:38 AM

HIPPYDOG

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Originally posted by Haken:
In a million years I would have never figured this was an issue for the same reason that I know nothing about the people who make the TV series or any of you who come to my site.

Not, me personally, but i think you could find out just about anything about Joss, or Tim, (or even kiba)
Me.. my name is Kerry Jackson, I'm 32 years old, live in Edmonton, Canada, and I work as an Electronic Engineer full time, and a DJ part time..

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Don't you think "Hidden Hitler" is a bit harsh? Let me outright tell you right now--I'm bad to the bone.

I've seen it more then once.. a moderator with too much control (or none at all..)
I'm not saying your one or the other. as I simply don't know..
I could of just hung around for a few months and got my answer that way.. but I decided to save some time and just find out now..

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And, last time I checked, no one has invested more time, energy, and resources in this site than I have.

And thats why you have probably the best looking firefly site around.. which is gonna attract a lot of people :)
Ever have a small party at your house, everything goes great untill the 'really HUGE PARTY' down the street gets shutdown.. next thing you know you have 200 people coming to YOUR house looking for a party?
:)

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Here's three simple rule that this site goes by:

1. This site is private property for the same reason your home is a private property. As such, I can pretty much do whatever I want for the same reasons you can do whatever you want in your own home.

I knew from the start what you can do..:)
but what do YOU consider bad behavior.

Whenever I used to go to a house party (many eons ago), I ALWAYS knew who the owner of the house was. In this case I have no idea and it bugs me.

Just my 2 Cents.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:30 AM

SUCCATASH

I have an idea... Get over it!

Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:41 AM

WERESPAZ

At this point, I feel a little obliged to quote that famous quote, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth." Even if Haken has Hitleresque tendancies (and I'm sure that's a big if) as long as the don't show up in the message board trying to convert us, WHO CARES?

Near as I can tell, he's worked very hard to provide an excellent site with lots of quality material and good information. I'm sure running this page isn't free, and anyone willing to dish out some coinage for other people to enjoy can't be all bad.

In the end, I don't care who you are, I'm here to enjoy myself, learn more about the show, and have a good time interacting with a small group of similar-minded individuals who have at least one thing in common with myself - an undying love-affair with Firefly.

So, Hippydog, I've read many of your other post on the official website, and being new to this one myself, I think your skepticism is a tad bit unwarrented. It's not impolite to merely ask the sitemaster to reveal info about himself, but the fact that he chooses not to shouldn't hold any sway in whether or not you return to this board, and have fun like anyone else.

If events lead you to dislike this board, and you choose not to return, well, you'll be missed, but not forgotten. Honestly though, I can't imagine it would come to that. Maybe this might help:

:pours hippydog a potent drink...

Sit back, relax, ignore my spelling errors, and have a good time.

-The SpAz

Edited to add: I've been to many house parties in the past, where I didn't know the owner, and I always had a great time. And if I met the owner later, they were always very cool.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:03 AM

HIPPYDOG

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Originally posted by Succatash:
I have an idea... Get over it!

Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?

As you seem to have trouble using more then 10 words , I seem to be having trouble understanding exactly what you want me to 'get over'.

Just my 2 Cents.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:31 AM

HIPPYDOG

P.S. after re-reading the posts, their might be a misunderstanding.

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Don't you think "Hidden Hitler" is a bit harsh? Let me outright tell you right now--I'm bad to the bone.

Succatash, was defending your honor(sp?) by making fun of my posts. The hilter thing came from my post.

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the last thing you want is the moderator to be some sort of hidden hitler.

this statement was not meant to infuriate the jewish people, German, nor members of the KKK, it was simply the easist way to say what I wanted to say. (and it had a nice flow to it..)

But I see now I was wrong and Evil, and now retract all statements related to hitler.. I simply was refering to some boards I was on where I failed to "get to know" the moderator and regretted it later..

Just my 2 Cents.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:47 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

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Originally posted by hippydog:
Me.. my name is Kerry Jackson, I'm 32 years old, live in Edmonton, Canada, and I work as an Electronic Engineer full time, and a DJ part time..

An EE. My brother is an EE. And I majored in it for a couple of years before I switched to something a bit more fun (heck...if I'm gonna sit in front of a computer all day doing CAD work, might as well sit it front of it doing things a bit more interesting...not saying what you do is boring.). And Edmonton is cool, always wanted to visit that huge mall you have over there and ride those rollercoasters.

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I've seen it more then once.. a moderator with too much control (or none at all..)
I'm not saying your one or the other. as I simply don't know..

I've seen it too, which is why I started this place. The master plan was to create a place where the members of the community will govern themselves and collaborate on buidling a community that they wanted and I only poke my nose into the community's affair if things really got out of hand.

I was expecting Firefly to last at least a few years so that I can construct this site over time as the community grows. The cancellation of the series really mucked things up because this site is only half finished. My notes are pages long as to what I wanted to do with this site. And since technology wasn't an issue because I wrote all the code, the only thing working against me was time and real life. Suffice to say, if you're worried about me being a dictator of some sort, don't. I really don't have time to go and read every single message or to keep track of what everyone does on the site. I'm sure if things start getting out of hand, someone will email me.

Besides, one of the things I wanted to add to the forum was a way for members to handle trolls themselves through a demerit system. Kinda like three strikes from three differnt users and your post gets moved to Troll Country.

Point is, I wanted to build a fansite that's beyond the standard fansite. That's the goal. What the commnunity does with what I build is up to them. And I believe at some point, as in real life, the community will reach somekind of natural equilibrium and manage itself.

Anyway, that's the plan. Cancellation sucks, doesn't it?

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Ever have a small party at your house, everything goes great untill the 'really HUGE PARTY' down the street gets shutdown.. next thing you know you have 200 people coming to YOUR house looking for a party?

Hey, I kinda answered that and didn't even know it.

Again, I trust those at the party and the 200 people crashing will have some sense and realize that its in their interest to behave and let the party last as long as possible. Otherwise, everyone goes home. And no one really wants that, right?

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Whenever I used to go to a house party (many eons ago), I ALWAYS knew who the owner of the house was. In this case I have no idea and it bugs me.

But why does it bug you? We go through life not knowing so many things that we should, while ignoring things that we shouldn't. Things are simply "is" and the only thing that you do know for sure is yourself and what you want.

If you behaved at the parties you went to, then it shouldn't matter who was throwing the party. If you liked what you see, you stay. And if you didn't like what you see, you leave. That's freedom.

Like you, I'm against censorship. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be on the web. I truely believe in the free flow of information on the web. But along with this openness comes responsibility and accountability. A lot of people leave those at the door when they get on the net. That's probably where I draw the line.

Everything we say or do has consequences--good or bad. The minute someone becomes irresponsible on this site and begins to cause harm to others, that's when I step in. Because it's my resposibility as a site owner to prevent that as much as possible. It's the best I can do short of shutting down the site. That'll be a real bummer.

Not exactly a solid answer for you, but it's the best one I can provide at the moment.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:17 PM

HIPPYDOG

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Not exactly a solid answer for you, but it's the best one I can provide at the moment.

more then solid, it was perfect..

thankyou!

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:02 PM

SUCCATASH

Feel better now? Safer?

Good.

Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?

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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:32 PM

HIPPYDOG

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Originally posted by Succatash:
Feel better now? Safer?
Good.

hmmm. not so much safer..
just more 'at home'

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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:03 PM

GORRAMFEDS

Ok..wow...finally...I made it...after a week of cussin out my puter cause for some reason or other it wouldnt lemme in here. hmmmmm. Anyway...I'm new here, but not new to the ff forum over at prospero...so if anybody I know is from over there..say HI!!!!!!!!

-keeper of the tightpants
-keeper of Jaynes math scores
-keeper of the little moon Wash blew a crater in

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Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:54 AM

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Hi GorramFeds,

Welcome! Have fun! The people here are really smart, good people.

May Serenity keep flying.

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