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Favorite Western movie/show

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 7:38 AM

Someone is always asking what your favorite sci-fi movie or show is, but the other defining aspect of Firefly seems to get ignored, the western influence!

What western movies remind you of Firefly, or are just your favorites?

My top vote would have to be Lawrence Kasdan's "Silverado"

It's the perfect western. It has an amazing cast, with Scott Glen, Kevin Kline, Danny Glover, Kevin Costner, Rosanna Arquette, Brian Dennehy, Linda Hunt, Jeff Goldblum, and even John Cleese.

It has a good story with great dialogue. "Today, my jurisdiction ends here!" Can't you see this horse loves me?" "I had a girl kiss me like that! Didn't make her my wife!"

It has a terrific soundtrack, with an unforgetable theme.

Lastly, like Firefly, it is about freindship and building a family out of those friends.

I wonder if Dennehy's Sheriff Cobb, is one of Jayne's distant relatives? They both have mercenary souls.

My second choice would be "Tombstone". Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is brilliant! "I'm your huckleberry!"

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 8:58 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I lean more toward the classical westerns like Stagecoach, The Searchers, Fort Apache, Rio Bravo, and The Undefeated.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:01 AM

MANWITHPEZ

Important people don't do field work.

For me...Its all about Lonesome Dove. Great book, great miniseries. I also liked Open Range. The Cowboys...That's a rough flick, though...and not one I'd let my children watch. Its hard on me when The Duke don't make it. There's Shane, Pale Rider, and though it was kinda silly, I liked The Quick and the Dead.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:03 AM

258WESTAUTHENTIC

Young Guns 1&2 and Unforgiven

Blazing Saddles is a Must watch western

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:13 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

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Originally posted by 258westauthentic:
Young Guns 1&2 and Unforgiven

Blazing Saddles is a Must watch western

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

Tombstone's pretty good as well - and I need to sit down and watch that new Costner one sometime soon.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:33 AM

EST120

i would have to agree with tombstone. it has some good lines and is pretty well acted.

"you tell 'em the law is comin'! you tell 'em i'm comin' and hell's comin' with me!"

pretty cool.

i liked the quick and the dead too. not a real big fan of leonardo dicaprio but he was quite good in that movie. of course, gene hackman and sharon stone always can be fun to watch and you get a pre-superstardom russell crowe to boot!

"is it possible? is it possible to improve on perfection?!"

love that.

i have not seen most of the classic types of westerns like pretty much anything from clint eastwood.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:56 AM

RABIT

All of those mentioned (yes, all) are movies I've enjoyed.

I have to say that Silverado and Unforgiven are my favorites, for (obviously

) completely different reasons.

Rabit

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:11 AM

CAPTAINCDC

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I lean more toward the classical westerns like Stagecoach, The Searchers, Fort Apache, Rio Bravo, and The Undefeated.

I'm with you BC1. Stagecoach, The Searchers, and Rio Bravo would probably rank in my 10 favorite movies of all time of any genre. Other westerns of note would be High Noon, The Sons of Katie Elder, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, and Red River. I'm not sure if I have seen The Undefeated. I'll have to check that one out.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:23 AM

JADEHAND

have to say, when I was growing up, my dad liked the westerns. I didn't like much that he liked. Which is ok, it seemed the feeling was mutual. However I did find myself, later in life, finding some great entertainment there.

I agree with you. "Silverado", Absolutely great. "Jake"[Costner in Silverado] was Hi-larious. I also loved "Tombstone", "Wyatt Earp" and both "Young Guns".

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:54 AM

CHRISISALL

For movies, I'm gonna go with one Manwithpez mentioned, Quick and the Dead.
For TV I have to go with The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.
Yeah, you all are thinkin' there's a Raimi-Campbell connection here, aren't ya? I swear there is not.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:55 AM

WEICHI

John Ford's "The Searchers" is the greatest Western of all time, and my favorite.

The other Ford's mentioned - Liberty Valance, Fort Apache are also great.

Kudos for Lonesome Dove and if we jump to TV, there were some great "Kung Fu" episodes.

Dont forget High Noon and the Sergio Leone Spaghetti Westerns.

Finally, just for fun - "Tampopo"

The other questions was what Westerns does this remind you of - what is great about Firefly is that it is amazingly non-derivative. Here is a writer of vampire and demon stories and what does he do in the sci fi genre...NO ALIENS !

The only things I can think of that are derivative of anything is the "Bushwacked" interview intercut scenes reminding me of the psycho analysis scene in "Armageddon" (arrgghh Ben Affleck again)and maybe an Early/Boba Fett connection.

The idea of the search for freedom and keeping moving are present, seriously, in Shane, and with music and dance, in "Paint Your Wagon". Mal's theme - "I Was Born Under a Wandering Star".

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 11:29 AM

GTMAN8503

I love all of Clint Eastwood's work in westerns, but if I had to rank my all-time favorites, it would go something like this:

1) High Plains Drifter (Eastwood)
2) Dances with Wolves (Costner)
3) Unforgiven (Eastwood)
4) The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (Eastwood)
5) The Outlaw Josey Wales (Eastwood)
6) A Fistful of Dollars (Eastwood)
7) Wyatt Earp (Costner)
8) For a Few Dollars More (Eastwood)
9) Pale Rider (Eastwood)
10) Once Upon a Time in the West (Bronson and Fonda)

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 12:06 PM

SICKDUDE

Unforgiven, Pale Rider, and High Noon.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 1:04 PM

BIKISDAD

I need to rent "Silverado" sometime. It sounds like one I'd like.

Of movies I've seen, I agree with "Tombstone" as being one of the very best. Val Kilmer asking - "Who's your daisy?", as in you're going to be pushing up daisies. He was awesome, but everybody else was great, too. And amazingly, for a Hollywood movie, it was close to historically accurate.

Oddly enough, I didn't even think of "Dances With Wolves" as a western until someone above mentioned it. I've always thought it sort of transcended the genre. But if it's included, that would be my pick for best of all time.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 1:07 PM

WEICHI

Naturally everyone is entitled to an opinion - heck I praised Ben Affleck on another thread - and I actually liked Kevin Costner in "No Way Out" and all of his baseball movies...

But I HATED "Dances with Wolves" It really bothered me that the film was praised as being so pro Indian, and depicting them nobly - yet the Costner character is basically too dumb to leave his house without injuring himself - but once he is with the Indians - well naturally the white guy - a really stupid white guy - ends up leading them. Really bothered me.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 1:15 PM

CHRISISALL

Oddly, I don't think of Kung Fu as a western. I think of it as lessons in harmony- set in the old west. Revenge and comeuppance (popular themes in traditional westerns) are scorned or turned upside-down on the show.
But if you do consider it a western, then it is my all time favourite one.
Edit: Except, of course, the one we're all here 'cause of.

Kwi-Chang Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 2:05 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST

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Originally posted by weichi:
Finally, just for fun - "Tampopo"

Good call, a great film!

In terms of westerns I'm not a huge fan of the genre particularly. However I'm always mesmerised by:
The Good The Bad and the Ugly
and
The Bravados If you've not seen this Gregory Peck masterpiece you're missing out on a significant turning point in western movie history.
finally
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid it's just so cool!
oh almost forgot
Blazzin Saddles as was mentioned previously.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 7:09 PM

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same

Lonesome Dove, by quite a ways, & I love westerns.
B&W: Winchester '73
Colour: hard to pick, but two of Leone's would be up there. Costner's latest might rank that high, but it has to stand the test of time first.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 7:28 PM

MONTANAGIRL

Darn it MacBaker, you took my answers!

Silverado and Tombstone, for reasons enumerated by everyone else.
"All I did was kiss a girl."

"One day, lad, all this will be yours ..."
"What - the curtains?"

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 7:35 PM

STAGGERLY

Whoa, Pez, Cowboys spoiler! And I'm with you, Lonesome Dove is the tip of the top.

I also saw Warlock this morning - it was surprisingly complex, character-wise.

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 8:17 PM

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

The Outlaw Josey Wales has to be top of my list, then maybe The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 11:12 PM

KOFFEE

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Originally posted by MANWITHPEZ
For me...Its all about Lonesome Dove. Great book, great miniseries.

I whole heartedly agree! And Tombstone would be right up there at the top of my picks as well. After all, my niece is named after Wyatt’s brother Morgan.

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Originally posted by EST120
i liked the quick and the dead too. not a real big fan of leonardo dicaprio but he was quite good in that movie. of course, gene hackman and sharon stone always can be fun to watch and you get a pre-superstardom russell crowe to boot!

I am a huge Crowe fan, but I hate this movie.

I had a bias against it from the beginning because they stole the title of the film from another great western starring Sam Elliot. The original Quick and the Dead movie was based on a book by famous westerns author Louis L’Amour (The Sacketts, The Shadow Riders) and is a completely different story entirely. The Sam Elliot movie was fantastic, as most all of his westerns are. Another favorite of mine that Elliot is in is Conagher. (another L’Amour story)

Some more of my quirky favorites in no particular order….
Pale Rider
Dances With Wolves
Hang Em High
Quigley Down Under
Rooster Cogburn
Little Big Man

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:13 AM

SICKDUDE

Also, I remember seeing a bit of "The Grey Fox". Anyone see the whole thing?

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 6:06 PM

KOFFEE

Just thought of another few....

A Man Called Horse
Jeremiah Johnson
Barbarosa

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Friday, June 10, 2005 1:35 AM

SMUDGE

it can only be Once upon a Time in the West
for tv short lived The Quest (1977)

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Friday, June 10, 2005 2:15 AM

MANWITHPEZ

Important people don't do field work.

I can't believe...I just can't that the fantastic Gregory Peck movie The Gunfighter hasn't been mentioned here. I just can't.

And no one's mentioned Destry Rides Again. These are two banner Westerns. The Gunfighter is about a gunslinger, who, against the odds, has managed to stay alive, though always hunted. He can never have a quiet drink in a bar because there's always someone lookin' to prove themselves better than him. He always has to sit with his back to a wall. And, with Peck's fantastic portrayal, you can tell he's haunted by the faces of the men he's killed. Great movie.

Destry Rides Again stars Jimmy Stewart. At least two other westerns named in this thread were influenced directly by this film. One is Brisco County Jr. Educated lawman who's almost silly on the surface, but has plenty of steel underneath. Also, father issues. The other is Blazing Saddles. Madeline Kahn's portrayal of Lily von Shtupp is almost a direct sendup of Marlena Dietrich's character in Destry. Right down to the accent and the bad singing.

I'll mention another, and that's The Fastest Gun Alive starring Glenn Ford. I remember watching the beginning of this movie, and thinking "When is it going to get good?" I didn't have to wait long. Ford plays a saloon owner with a secret. He's really a faster than legend gunslinger. He gets drunk in his own bar one day and starts shooting off his mouth. Then he goes home, retrieves the gun that he swore to his wife he had thrown in the lake, takes it back to town, and manages to scare the crap out of everybody! Its not long before someone (Broderick Crawford) comes looking for a fight. This one's a little hard to find, but if you can, its worth watching.

And now I think I've shot my mouth off about westerns a little too much....Sorry!

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

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Friday, June 10, 2005 2:21 AM

MANWITHPEZ

Important people don't do field work.

Oh, and I'm sorry about The Cowboys spoiler...I had it in my head, since I hadn't watched the movie since I was a kid, that that happens in the beginning..But, I know now that it doesn't...Sooooooo sorry. But, its a great movie nonetheless...Also, No one's mentioned True Grit, She Wore A Yello Ribbon, and quite possibly, my favorite wester of all...McClintock!

If you happen to buy a copy of McClintock!, be careful...There are a lot of crappy transfers out there...to be certain, if you got a cheap copy of this movie, you got what you paid for...

I tried to warn my mother (Whose DVD collection is 90% westerns), but it was too late...

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

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Friday, June 10, 2005 5:26 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

This is in the order
movies I like
series I like
movies that I’m commenting on.

Silverado
Silverado is a great western, if for no other reason than it embodies the western. In a time when westerns were unpopular and everyone was trying to make their own version Silverado simply stuck by the classic western design and made it good by doing it well, not by reinventing anything.

One of the things I liked is that there was no attempt made to give people “western” accents, these are people who were moving west, by definition that means they were coming from the east. Nothing kills the scene more quickly than a guy talking in an unbelievable way, and it doesn’t matter whether it is something that was bleeped out and then dubbed over in a completely different voice, someone saying they came from Massachusetts with an accent associated with the Midwest, extreme west, or anything else including the word “west.”

It’s like a confederate from Missouri talking with an Alabama accent.

The Outlaw Josey Wales
I really liked this one, can’t really say why, perhaps only because there were not reasons for me not to like it.

Blazing Saddles
It’s funny; that is all you need to know. The ending could have been better, but other than that I have no complaints.

The Quick and the Dead
Well I’ve been watching this, lately as it’s been getting heavy rotation on a movie channel I have, it’s got an actual reason for the frequency of gunfights, characters with complexity, and an interesting stylization

Firefly
The only western series I have watched.

Sometimes I wonder what Firefly actually requires It seems like you could put it on a boat, in an ocean, during a colonial period where there are no continents, just different sized islands. On the other hand you could change the plot and keep the quality effects and it would sell, provided it came at the right time, which it didn’t.

Because it is non derivative you could expand any one of it’s specific elements into another genre

Open Range, Shane, Pale Rider, Quigley Down Under
I can take or leave all of these, if they are on TV or otherwise free I’ll watch, but I wouldn’t pay money for them.

Stagecoach
Well I know it’s a classic, but it seemed flat to me. There were different character who might have had interesting interactions, but they didn’t. I don’t even care that much about character, I need characters that are complex and four dimensional to love a show (by which I mean Play, TV Show, or movie.) However to like it all I need are ones that are not so incredibly two dimensional as to draw your attention from the strong point of the show, whatever that may be.

The Unforgiven
Burt Lancaster vs. the Indians right? Or is there another movie by that name?
Anyway, I didn’t like it at all, acting was wretched, I know most was at that point in time, people were still used to pantomime and stage acting, but I try not to live in the past. I may have reel to reels and a Commodore 64, but that doesn’t mean I’ll accept something sub par just because it’s old, Charlie Chaplain didn’t suck and he was working in a medium not even used today.

Also I don’t like any movie that says it’s ok to shoot someone under a flag of piece, especially if it says it’s ok because the person loves his sister. Remember that no one cared what the daughter thought she wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let her. They committed murder to stop her, after the murder they were at least defending themselves.

By the way,
The NRA says, “Guns don’t kill people.”
Burt Lancaster says, “The gun does the killing.”

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Friday, June 10, 2005 5:44 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

Simply put, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly may not only be the greatest western of all time, but the greatest movie of all time. Leone uses vision more than dialog to portray the project — which I've always thought is the purpose of movies. If I want talk, I'll listen to the radio. That doesn't lessen the importance of dialog, but c'mon. It's all about the eyes, dig?

Frankly, I'm stunned no one has mentioned Sam Peckinpah's "The Wild Bunch" or, unbelievably what is possibly the best ending of any movie...George Roy Hill's "Butch Cassidy and and Sundance Kid." God! What a great closing!

"You're either in or you're out, and I'm playing to the in."

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Friday, June 10, 2005 8:46 AM

RHYMEPHILE

"Hoooo, Mac-Lin! Good party, but nooooo whiskey!"

LOL, god, McLintock! Thanks for reminding me, ManWithPez! My father and I have watched that film so many times.

I'd have to echo others here, with Josey Wales (the scene with the almost-rapists is nerve-wracking); The Searchers ("Alls Moes needs is his rockin' chair"); Liberty Valance; Winchester '73 (so good); Shane (because of black-clad Jack Palance); Jeremiah Johnson ("I use it fer lookin' through"); and Butch and Sundance ("Think you used enough dynamite, there, Butch?"). I also love any film that can give us a good portrayal of Native Americans in the West as well. Geronimo with the wonderful Wes Studi is a good one.

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon is like a John Ford Quiet Man reunion, and a valentine to John Wayne fans. Victor McLaughlin is great in that film.

Also, for someone into Custeriana as I am (although I do cheer for the "bad guys"), I enjoyed They Died With Their Boots On for Errol (although it's filled with inaccuracies), but my favorite Custer film has to be Son of the Morning Star with Gary Cole. It was a TV movie (and I wish it were on DVD) and the book (of the same name) is beyond excellent.

What about Calamity Jane? Well, it's a musical, but still, it's a great flick.

My favorite western of all time I guess would be Dances With Wolves. I generally watch it until Lt. Dumb Bear goes back for his journal. After that the film is just heartache and misery, and I can never stand to watch it.

And y'know, as soon as I'm done typing this I'm going to remember a film I forgot.

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Friday, June 10, 2005 9:49 AM

ZAPACTIONSDOWER

Gotta give props to Brisco County Jr. one of my favorite shows, still waiting for that on dvd. Incidentally Bruce Campbell is the man, but I heard they're remaking Evil Dead and he's not going to be ash? Whats the deal?

Anyway As for movies I'd have to go with Tombstone and The Magnificent Seven. Good stuff.

Hail to the King Baby.

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Friday, June 10, 2005 10:19 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by ZapActionsDower:
Incidentally Bruce Campbell is the man, but I heard they're remaking Evil Dead and he's not going to be ash? Whats the deal?

Can't be true, no way. Maybe just usin' the title.
No one else could be Ash.

Brisco was the series. Figures Fox would cancel it, it was the 'Coming Thing'.

I miss Dixie Chrisisall

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Friday, June 10, 2005 10:30 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Open Range, Shane, Pale Rider, Quigley Down Under

What?! Quigly Down Under was Selleck's best movie!
Alan Rickman was the bad guy!!!
Basil Polidouris did the music!!!!
Laura San Giacomo was the babe!!!!!!
Sayin' this was masterpiece just okay tells me that you're a half a plumb off the tree, that's for sure and that's for certain.

Chrisisall Down Under

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Friday, June 10, 2005 12:08 PM

MONTANAGIRL

Quote:
Originally posted by ZapActionsDower:
Gotta give props to Brisco County Jr. one of my favorite shows, still waiting for that on dvd. Incidentally Bruce Campbell is the man, but I heard they're remaking Evil Dead and he's not going to be ash? Whats the deal?

Anyway As for movies I'd have to go with Tombstone and The Magnificent Seven. Good stuff.

Hail to the King Baby.

Raimi and Campbell are producing the remake of Evil Dead. Everything else (cast, director, etc) is going to be new. It's still in the planning stages.

And yes, Brisco ruled. I knew Bruce Campbell as Brisco before I knew him as Ash. Why isn't it out on DVD yet?

"Do you accept gifts from strange men?" -Brisco
"Well, strange is no problem, but I draw the line as men I don't know." -Dixie

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Friday, June 10, 2005 1:58 PM

CLJOHNSTON108

- Lonesome Dove
- Silverado
- Tombstone
- The Magnificent Seven (TV)
- Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
- Quigly Down Under
- The Man from Snowy River
- Dances With Wolves
- The Quick and the Dead (except for DiCrapio)
- Kung Fu
- The Wild, Wild West (TV)
- The Adventures of Briscoe County, Jr.
- The Rifleman
- The Magnificent Seven (Film)

I never saw Wanted: Dead or Alive or Have Gun, Will Travel, but I'm hankerin' to check out the DVDs!

Since I also like Samurai movies, I'm almost ashamed to admit that I've been lookin' for The Master Gunfighter on DVD, even though the IMDb rates it 3.4!

There was a line in Geronimo: An American Legend that seems eerily familiar...

Gatewood: That was a great shot!
Geronimo: Not so great, I aim for his head!

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Friday, June 10, 2005 3:19 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by montanagirl:
Brisco ruled. I knew Bruce Campbell as Brisco before I knew him as Ash. Why isn't it out on DVD yet?

It has to do with one of the creators/producers having died (Jeffery Boam, I think, correct me if I'm wrong anyone) and the rights/ownership is in some question. Legal issues, as they say.
Anyway, that's what I read.
You can get the series on dvd if you search a little, for like $40, but it's gonna look like tape, 'cause that's what it's taken from, mostly. I have it on tape from broadcast, myself, so I'll wait the good wait 'till the professional release. *twiddles his thumbs*

Named my motorcycle Comet Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:34 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by cljohnston108:
Since I also like Samurai movies, I'm almost ashamed to admit that I've been lookin' for The Master Gunfighter on DVD, even though the IMDb rates it 3.4!

I saw that in the movies as a kid, it was the 70's kung fu craze, and a theatre near me played nothing but.
Pretty good flick, if memory serves. Not too much wirework.

Lee Van Chrisisall

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