What is Your Tv Set Up like? by spqr

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What is Your Tv Set Up like?

POSTED BY: SPQR
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 22:40
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Friday, June 17, 2005 7:08 PM

OK, I want to hear what you have &/or anything that will help people that are looking at getting a new 'setup'.
my setup:
TV Sony 30" widescreen 'KD-30XS955' (I wish I got the 34' & get an extened warranty it cheep if you get the tv from sony & a great TV)
Denon '1910' DVD Player (liked my old toshiba pitcher better but it did not have progress scaning or DVI out)
Yamaha 'RX-V520' (kicks a**)
X-box
DVR
Momster clean power 'hts 5000II' (stopped working after 3 months but Monster sent me a new one, 5 year warranty, BUT that is only because I got it from a authorized dealer, saved me $600)
Monster Voltage Stabilizer AVS 2000 (getting next month)
2 JBL 3 way 8" 175 watt bookshelf front speakers (great soundrange)
Center Channel 3 way JBL 150 watt (good center speaker)
JBL front firing 12" 250 watt Subwoofer (able to hit 500 watts for short times, Kicks a**)
All high grade Monster Cables V&A
This setup cost about $8k

If you are looking at tvs, tubes are BEST for pitcher. 1080p is coming out @ the end of the year. 1080p is about 10X's the res. of 720p & true HD players will be coming out @ the end of year & next year (50gig-100gig per DVD compaired to 9gig per DVD now), but wait there will be 2 rev., BlueRay vs. HD-DVD, you don't want to endup w/ the "Bata' one.
FIREFLY in TRUE HD

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Friday, June 17, 2005 7:22 PM

SERGEANTX

I have no idea what you just said.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Friday, June 17, 2005 7:37 PM

PUMAMANREDUX

Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
I have no idea what you just said.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

I think it was an ad for a 30 inch TV

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Friday, June 17, 2005 7:53 PM

SPQR

WHAT KIND OF TV DO YOU HAVE? & OTHER THINGS you have HOOKED UP TO IT? & ADVISE TO PEOPLE getting a new setup, good & bad experances w/ what you own or have owned. Like I said.

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Friday, June 17, 2005 7:58 PM

ZOID

No, SPQR said he didn't have a girlfriend, wife or children to prioritize his expenditures. Eight large for TV, DVDs and today's music?

I think he's been sampling too much of his own product...

"Things go better with Coke",

zoid

P.S.
For eight grand, SPQR, you could've bought an alderman on your city council and had your neighborhood declared 'clothing optional'. Now that's entertainment!
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Friday, June 17, 2005 8:10 PM

SERGEANTX

Quote:
Originally posted by spqr:
WHAT KIND OF TV DO YOU HAVE? & OTHER THINGS you have HOOKED UP TO IT? & ADVISE TO PEOPLE getting a new setup, good & bad experances w/ what you own or have owned. Like I said.

Oh, I see. OK, well my TV is a fading 17" computer monitor with whatever I've managed to download to watch. My speakers include a bitchin' "sub-woofer", but it only works if you push on the plug with your foot. If you sit really close it's like widescreen, only - closer! My setup cost about 8C when I bought it new, but I doubt I could get more than fifty bucks for it at a garage sale.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Friday, June 17, 2005 8:12 PM

SPQR

What the hell are you taking about?
What do you not under stand about the subject.
'What is Your Tv Set Up like?'
it is not hard one.
TV type, any trouble?
A/V yes/no good/crap
etc....
& 8k for a good setup is resonable, some people spend that just on a tv.

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Friday, June 17, 2005 8:20 PM

ZOID

spqr:

Okay, so we were teasing a little, perhaps too much. I know it's an honest question; but, you caught us married guys in a weak spot. If I wantonly spent $8K on TV/stereo equipment, my wife would get it along with the house when she promptly divorced me.

No married guy is comfortable admitting that. I've got a 5-year old 56" Zenith, mid-value Sony surround system, digital cable w/ DVR, Philips DVD player (because it plays every video format in existence, to include WMVs and DivX movies burned on DVD+/-R/RW) and a VCR we never use anymore. Pretty standard stuff (maybe $3.5K total over the years on these components), and the only thing I get technophilic about is computers. On that subject we can talk...

Respectfully (truly),

zoid

P.S.
Some people also spend more than $50K on a car, too. But, not anybody I know or associate with. I feel guilty for having spent 26 thousand on my Sebring LXi. Perhaps you were mistaking us for the Hiltons? That Paris has a good head on her shoulders...
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Friday, June 17, 2005 8:23 PM

SPQR

Quote:
Oh, I see. OK, well my TV is a fading 17" computer monitor with whatever I've managed to download to watch. My speakers include a bitchin' "sub-woofer", but it only works if you push on the plug with your foot. If you sit really close it's like widescreen, only - closer! My setup cost about 8C when I bought it new, but I doubt I could get more than fifty bucks for it at a garage sale.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

That is what I'am talking about, thank you!!!

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Friday, June 17, 2005 8:55 PM

SPQR

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

spqr:

Okay, so we were teasing a little, perhaps too much. I know it's an honest question; but, you caught us married guys in a weak spot. If I wantonly spent $8K on TV/stereo equipment, my wife would get it along with the house when she promptly divorced me.

No married guy is comfortable admitting that. I've got a 5-year old 56" Zenith, mid-value Sony surround system, digital cable w/ DVR, Philips DVD player (because it plays every video format in existence, to include WMVs and DivX movies burned on DVD+/-R/RW) and a VCR we never use anymore. Pretty standard stuff (maybe $3.5K total over the years on these components), and the only thing I get technophilic about is computers. On that subject we can talk...

Respectfully (truly),

zoid
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"Sure as I know anything, I know this: I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDM'

Thats' a nice sys. I have seen 50" in the stores that thought that was big. & someday my tv will be 5 years old too

& To add, if you what you can talk about you computer sys. & that goes for others, too. Computers can be the worst to 'pick out', when to get, what to get, brand etc....
How about this, if you can watch tv or a dvd on it let hear about it.

oh, I am nerdy 26 year old female, no kids or that. SPQR = latin for 'Senate & People of Rome'
I like history ok

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Friday, June 17, 2005 9:51 PM

ZOID

spqr (yeah, I caught the reference from the staff caps on Imperial Roman banners):

Well, when I bought it, my 56" rear-projection set was the largest available, though being a Zenith, not the top quality. It's a good unit, which will be replaced by a 50+" HD rear-projection by this year's end, manufacturer yet to be determined. Price, performance and features will be carefully considered, with price being weighted above other variables. I will not pay more than $1800, and would prefer to catch a deal around $1200. They pop up now and again, but you've gotta be quick to catch 'em. (I got my eye on a particular Philips 52" model that keeps flying off the shelves at my local Sam's Club for $1295.)

Computers -- my passion. I build my own. I bought my last manufactured system in 1997 (a Gateway, yeesh). Since then, I've had 3 different cases (currently a Lian Li aluminum mid-tower w/ 550W power), and a new mobo/processor/video card, et cetera on rolling upgrades about every six months. Whenever I upgrade my main comp, I trickle the 'old' components down to my kids computers, based on their needs (my 15-year old daughter likes making message board websites and doing graphic arts; my 11-year old son is a fanatical gamer). When components come out the back door of this cycle, I buy a cheap case and power supply and build a system, which I then donate to a church or school. The last one I thus made went to a church child care center about 70 miles from where I live; the one before that went to my kids' old elementary school, 3 blocks from my house. (NB: These donees are always happy to have my hand-me-downs, since their existing computer equipment is severely antiquated. I also volunteer to fix computer-related problems for them.)

By the way: My Philips DVD player (which is a real beauty, btw) cost $85 at KMart. I stumbled across it last December (2004) while waiting for my wife to finish lusting after a Martha Stewart cookware set. I was flabbergasted that it played DivX format on recordable DVDs (*winks knowingly at people who know stuff*) and immediately bought one, before somebody figured out what it was and either outlawed them or jacked up the price a couple hundred bucks. All my friends got the tip from me, so I can appreciate the spirit in which you intended this thread...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
I will buy a plasma TV once the price normalizes within the next 5 years. My $325 (last September) 19" dual analog/DVI LCD computer monitor would have cost over $2000 a couple of years ago.
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Friday, June 17, 2005 11:44 PM

MACBAKER

36" Sony Wega TV (Flatscreen, but standard 4x3 format)

Sony 5.1 DTS surround sound system, with five front speakers (one being the center channel), two rear, and a subwoofer. Two of the front speakers are Pioneer (R&L), the other front speakers are Sony (C, R&L, and Sub), and the rear speakers are Infinity flush wall mount units.

Dish network service, with a 80 hour DVR. (I never miss any shows I like anymore, and the quality of the DVR image and ease of use is so much better than recording on VHS)

Sony progressive scan 5 disk DVD changer. (Great for loading all four Firefly discs for non-stop watching parties)

iLo DVD recorder (cheap, but has worked great)

Sony VCR (for the handful of VHS tapes we still have)

X-box game system, with the DVD kit.

Wireless airport link between Sony reciever and Mac computer, so music from computer's iTunes playlists and podcasts can be played on home system. (so much better than changing cds, or listening to music on the tiny computer speakers)

My entire CD collection has been downloaded to my Mac, and backed-up on the internal RAID. The DVD collection is currently just under 400 titles (I have contacts in music and video retail distribution, so I get a lot of free screeners and a good discounts).

We plan to upgrade to a bigger 16X9 HDTV soon (probably LCD), and will add HD channels to our Dish service when we do. I'd also like to get one of those LCD command center remotes, so that I can retire the 5 remotes currently cluttering up one of the end tables.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:38 AM

NIKNAK

This one is a little complicated.

The signal comes in to a Telewest cable TV box. Audio goes straight to my Cambridge Audio A1mk3 hi-fi amplifier which is connected to Eltax Liberty 5 Speakers. Hi-fi sound is so much better than the crappy speakers usually attached to TVs.

An adapter converts the SPDIF output to S-video and a second audio output, both of which go to my AMD64 computer. The video is recieved by a cheap Pinnacle PCTV card. The software I use is tvtime on Linux, which has a great deinterlacer. The output goes via a DVI cable to my widescreen 23" Apple cinema display. I created a custom modeline in X (the Linux graphical system) so that it runs at 50Hz, the same as PAL, so the motion is as smooth as it should be.

DVDs are played on the computer using Totem with the Xine backend and libdvdcss.

23" doesn't sound very big but I've got a very small lounge and all the best TV shows are widescreen these days. It's resolution is 1920x1200 and is great for games too.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:19 AM

DARKJESTER

OK, I feel more than a little outclassed, but here goes.....

Main Entertainment System.....
Magnavox 25" TV and stereo VCR (both going on 10 years old)
Pioneer Pro-Logic receiver, around 80W/channel.
Cambridge Soundworks Ensemble II main speakers, Center Channel II center, BassCube10 subwoofer, and cheap KLH rear surrounds.
APEX DVD player (cheapest around, but it plays re-writable discs too!)
Signal (Comcast digital cable) comes through Motorola box.

Computer System.....
Cheap case, 400W.
Asus MB, Pentium 4 @ 2.4Ghz, 512Meg.
Creative SBLive audio card, Creative Inspire 2.1 speakers.
Motorola Surfboard cable modem, LinkSys router.
KDS 17" flat-screen monitor (Wal-Mart special).
ATI Radeon 7200 video card, ATI TV Wonder PCI capture card (352X240 max resolution) (works for recording and watching TV)
Adaptec USB 2.0 VideOh external capture box (640X480 resolution) for recording video from my camera.
TDK 440N DVD burner, -/+ R/RW
And my camera is a Sony Hi8 HandyCam.
I'm strictly amateur, recording family gatherings, graduations, etc. Record it, capture, edit, burn to DVD. Great to send to grandparents and/or others who couldn't be there.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:55 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Standard Issue 19" Zenith Dynacolor.

I don't think I've even turned the damn thing on again since they murdered our show.

My entertainment lies on the bookshelf.

-F

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 6:18 AM

BLINKER

Uh... my TV has a screen.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:28 AM

MUNN75

My set up, wife approved of course, is as follows:

Sony 55 inch LCD

Denon 6.1 channel Dolby Digital receiver

Atlantic Technology speakers 2 fronts, 2 rears, a center and a Sub

Denon Progressive Scan dvd player (tried the HD upconverting one but not that much better)

All Firefly, Angel and Buffy box sets + 24 and Dead Zone for good measure.

Firefly in 55 inch widescreen glory is one of the reasons I work overtime.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:38 AM

SIGMANUNKI

Philips 24" Real Flat TV with DVD-component video inputs (at least that's what the box says

).

Hooked upto it, I have a PS2, GC, VHS, one of my computers and MTS TV.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:52 AM

SERGEANTX

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Standard Issue 19" Zenith Dynacolor.

I don't think I've even turned the damn thing on again since they murdered our show.

My entertainment lies on the bookshelf.

-F

Indeed! It was the last straw for me as well.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:45 PM

MOJAVE

SPQR, thanks for starting this topic. I'm putting together a home theater to maximize my Firefly viewing, so far it's just a Samsung 27" HDTV. Was looking closely at that Denon DVD-1910, but you don't sound too impressed? And can you report if they did anything interesting with the surround mix on the Firefly DVDs?

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 2:20 PM

CALHOUN

Quote:
By the way: My Philips DVD player (which is a real beauty, btw) cost $85 at KMart. I stumbled across it last December (2004) while waiting for my wife to finish lusting after a Martha Stewart cookware set. I was flabbergasted that it played DivX format on recordable DVDs (*winks knowingly at people who know stuff*) and immediately bought one

Heya Zoid,

I got me a Philips DVP642K a while back in similar circumstances to you. I am happy with the player but I have found it does have limitations. The unit doesnt seem to support DivX encoded with global motion compensation. It would also be nice if it played quicktime. Other than those small gripes I like it much.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:28 PM

JRC

Ok, here goes,
First, a Toshiba 36" CRT, sucker weighs about 150 lbs. Today, I just bought a Pioneer VSX-815 which has 7.1 DTS, but I haven't hooked it up yet. It will power JBL tower speakers left and right, Bose center channel, JBL 10" subwoofer, with Atlantic Technology surround speakers left and right and Yamaha center speaker. I view my DVDs and hear CDs through my Toshiba progressive scan player, about a year old.
My computer is a Power Mac G5, 1.6Ghz, using a 17" Apple flat panel LCD, which my kids also use to watch their own DVDs. They listen to them using my Altec Lansing ATP3 speakers and subwoofer. These speakers sound great, but they look even greater!

Everyone dies alone.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 7:37 PM

SPQR

Quote:
Originally posted by mojave:
SPQR, thanks for starting this topic. I'm putting together a home theater to maximize my Firefly viewing, so far it's just a Samsung 27" HDTV. Was looking closely at that Denon DVD-1910, but you don't sound too impressed? And can you report if they did anything interesting with the surround mix on the Firefly DVDs?

the thing I don't like about the Denon DVD-1910 is that I get blocky colors (there is a name for it but can not find it now) in the 'darks colors-black range', & mostly on tv shows, this is when it see it the most, Angel is somewhat anoying to watch, + Inara ship on firefly, because all the blacks/Dark colors on her ship. Space shots/seens & bright lit seens are Good A++++. I have it hooked-up DVI to the TV, I have read that changing to a 'component video' can get reduce or getride of this, but I do not have that cable. Also the 'DVD player menu' can Only be gotten to with out a DVD disc in it + the DVI buton is in a bad spot & it has no light, so keep a flash light near by.
Sound out is Very Good for the coxal Digital, remember its the A/V that does the 'main work' & good range speakers 20hz-120khz, w/ 'high' gauge wires (small # the bigger the wire), to get all the power to the speakers, a cheep up-grade. & keep the wire langths equal A/V & speaker wires.
I don't think that I would get one again, I got this because it had the DVI & few had that at the time, look a toshiba or sony there cheeper & they have DVI now. check out cnet for reviews of 'new' & 'old' stuff, anything tec.

www.cnet.com

My computer:
Compaq presario X6000
3 ghz Pent
2 gig ram
60 gig HD
ATI X600 Vcard
dvd-rw (loud & very ruff running, but not on DVD movies)
17" widescreen 1700Xsomething
Better then my last computer, 200 hz that needed to run 3 days in safe mode to 'warm-up' then I could run it normaly or it would crash (that was the last few months of its life)

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:37 PM

ZOID

Calhoun:

Mine's a Philips DVP642/37. Don't know if that's different from yours or not. I haven't had any problems playing DivX files, and have no clue what "global motion compensation" is. As I may not have made perfectly clear, I'm not an audio/videophile. I snapped it up because all the other available retail models costing upwards of $250 at several stores around town played fewer formats, and none of the others played DivX or WMVs; few even played AVIs. I considered it a steal, and it has proven most serviceable, delivering everything promised.

In case the preceding paragraph caused anyone's head to hurt, I'm saying it's my favorite piece of a/v equipment, especially because it only cost $85. No raiding other budgets required to purchase it...

My theory on electronics of every kind: Never buy bleeding edge technology. For computers, I regularly research the latest developments, then I wait a year (sometimes more) to buy the stuff I deem to be the best of class. This practice lowers the cost by at least 50%, while still providing lots of headroom for software applications that will be shipping in that timeframe. For example, the hottest processor today goes for in excess of $600. Wait six months to a year and that price will be less than $250, and it will still treble the "Recommended System" specs of the hottest game on the shelf at the time I install it.

On the other hand, thanks to everyone who buys bleeding edge. Y'all clearly have more money than I do, and you're driving Moore's Law, keeping me in affordable and effective upgrades in the process...

Economically,

zoid

P.S.
My next 'year old tech' upgrade of my computer, sometime this July: GIGABYTE GA-K8NS PRO Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3 250 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail ($88 at newegg), AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Newcastle Integrated into Chip FSB 512KB L2 Cache Socket 754 Processor - OEM ($178, ibid), CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail ($79, ibid). Total upgrade cost: $345; buying bleeding edge would top $800; buying retail...fuggedaboutit. I thought about going with a Socket 939 mobo, but I've gotta have PATA RAID (I ain't ready to sink $500+ into SATA drives just yet) and I love NForce chipsets. Dual-channel memory architecture smokes its peers and I get better performance from my NVidia 6600GT as an added benefit.
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Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:26 PM

CALHOUN

Quote:
zoid wrote:
Friday, June 17, 2005 21:51

I was flabbergasted that it played DivX format on recordable DVDs (*winks knowingly at people who know stuff*) and immediately bought one, before somebody figured out what it was and either outlawed them or jacked up the price a couple hundred bucks. All my friends got the tip from me, so I can appreciate the spirit in which you intended this thread...

Speaking of jacking the prices up...

I bought my DVP642 for $135 Australian and the following week went back to the same Good Guys store to buy another for my brother as a wedding present but the price was now $195!! When I questioned the salesman about the price hike he said that this was the price they have always been sold for. I said No it wasnt because of my prior purchase. He LAUGHED at me and said I must be confused because I was wrong....(he said a few other things which were quite rude) I demanded to see the manager and after explaining the situation to him he backed his salesman and said I was wrong.... I stormed out of the store, went to my car to drive home and look for the receipt but found it in the centre console! I went back inside and slammed it down on the counter in front of the manager and his rude lackey. They were both red faced and the manager promptly sold me one for the same original price. On my way out of the store I looked directly at the rude salesman and laughed at him HEHEHEHEHe.. If looks could kill I would probably be dead a hundred times over.

Its nice to have a win every now and then.

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Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:05 PM

MOJAVE

SPQR, got it, thanks, the Denon DVD-1910 is off the list. You can't access the DVD menu unless the DVD is out? You need to keep a flashlight around? That kind of user interface problem just drives me up the wall. The DVI macroblocking thing you mentioned shows up in a few reviews out there, not just the Denon unit. OK, I'm going to go lower for the moment, and spend some real money next year on a Blu Ray DVD player.

JRC, do you want to give us a review of that Pioneer VSX-815?

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Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:44 PM

SPQR

Quote:
Originally posted by mojave:
SPQR, got it, thanks, the Denon DVD-1910 is off the list. You can't access the DVD menu unless the DVD is out? You need to keep a flashlight around? That kind of user interface problem just drives me up the wall. The DVI macroblocking thing you mentioned shows up in a few reviews out there, not just the Denon unit. OK, I'm going to go lower for the moment, and spend some real money next year on a Blu Ray DVD player.

JRC, do you want to give us a review of that Pioneer VSX-815?

You can kill two w/ one stone, the new 'PSP3' will have a 'BluRay' DVD player. Price not set yet, it will be out for this X-mass, but I would wait 2 months, sometimes the first off the line stuff can have problems. The 'X-Box 360' a ? on the player type.

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Monday, June 20, 2005 5:41 PM

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
will be replaced by a 50+" HD rear-projection by this year's end, manufacturer yet to be determined. Price, performance and features will be carefully considered, with price being weighted above other variables. I will not pay more than $1800, and would prefer to catch a deal around $1200. They pop up now and again, but you've gotta be quick to catch 'em. (I got my eye on a particular Philips 52" model that keeps flying off the shelves at my local Sam's Club for $1295.)

I know what you mean. Been keeping my eye out for deals but, twice since January, I decided on one and it had sold out since the previous day -- permanently, as in, end of model run.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . .

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Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:30 AM

ZOID

YT:

As we speak (write), my local Sam's has got a 60" Philips rear-projection on offer for $1299. Now I've just got to see about selling one of my shot kidneys to a medical researcher to come up with the 13K. Me no likey credit. As a wage slave and tax payer, I reckon I've already got two masters I'd like to get rid of; but credit brokers are the modern day equivalent of Simon LeGree.

Of course, selling the kidney may make the point moot...

Fatally,

zoid
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Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:40 PM

JRC

A review may be next week, once I get another set of surround speakers tomorrow, along with a couple of new wires for hooking up DVD player to receiver. I can say that this Pioneer is rather complicated, and I expected that, but it makes my 8-year-old Kenwood receiver look like child's play.

Everyone dies alone.

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