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Sin City - a movie for Browncoats (the badass ones)

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:30 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM


Those of you with moderate to strong constitutions should run right out and rent or buy the movie Sin City. As I watched this unique and manly film, I thought to myself over and over "This is a film for Browncoats." There's one character that's very Jayne and one that's fairly Zoe. I might even "borrow" some better bits of monologue for another one of my unrelentlessly unfinished fics.

Those persons who complain of certain Firefly eps being too violent to watch (and you know who you are) might want to watch something else, like the remake of Where the Red Fern Grows, or something.

Your $.2?

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:51 PM

CHRISISALL


I just happen to be watchin' it right now. It's Pulp Fiction on acid. Strong constitution necessary, but it's like nuthin' else I've seen.

May be too intense for younger viewers. Parental discression is advised.

Reality is applied at the film-maker's discression. Which is minimal.

Cool.

Sin-filled Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:53 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD


I would just like to say to everyone: don't buy it right now!

It is an amazing film based on some amazing graphic novels, but this current DVD release is extremely barebones. Robert Rodriguez has said in a recent interview with IGN that the "real" DVD is coming out pretty soon:

Quote:


I told Frank [Miller], let's do three stories. I know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but we'll cram three stories together. We'll shoot the full books, but in editing I'll just figure out what stuff we need to cut to make it flow as a feature for the theatrical release so people can sit there and in under two hours see sort of a resemblance what the movie is. But when it goes to DVD, we can do a special edition where the second disc can have the stories separated out in the full cuts so that you can see it the way you would read the books. You just watch "The Yellow Bastard," the full cut, or see "The Big Fat Kill," and that's the way you're supposed to read the books.

The real DVD should come out fairly quick, [and] it's the one that will be obviously the double-disc set with all of the goodies on it. I mean, it has all kinds of stuff on there - I have a 20-minute Film School, a new Cooking School, Sin City Breakfast Tacos, and my favorite feature: when people watch DVDs, they complain 'oh, the only thing about home entertainment is you miss that audience experience.' Well, the best audience is in Austin, especially for a movie that was made there. We showed the premiere with the actors there in a 1500-seat theater, and they would go crazy and Sin City got a big reaction. I recorded the audience in 5.1 so if you're watching the DVD and you want to see it with an Austin audience on premiere night, you just click a button and they're all there going 'aaaah!' so it's really cool.



Personally, I'm going to hold off and wait for the edition Rodriguez is putting together. He knows what he's doing when it comes to extras. And, I love cooking, so I really enjoyed his "Ten Minute Cooking School" (puerco pibil!) on the Once Upon A Time In Mexico DVD, and I'm glad to see him continuing the tradition with Sin City.

Anyway, buyer beware. It's a great movie, but I'd rent it for now unless you honestly don't care about any of the extras or anything.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:12 PM

CHRISISALL


Done, M, thanks.

Frakin' amazin' flick Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:32 PM

REGINAROADIE


Here's another fan of SIN CITY. Without a doubt, the most faithful comic book adapt ever done. And it's more than a comic book film. I'm a big fan of those old 40's and 50's Humphrey Bogart noir movies. And this is those movies coming back to life gloriously. Some people complain that the dialogue is too pulpy and baroque. Personally, I think it's poetry.

Speaking of which, my cover for issue 2 for the SERENITY comic is of Zoe. Now I know it's done by Joe Quesada, but am I the only one here who thinks the Zoe cover looks like it was done by Frank Miller? I always thought that the way Zoe was depicted made her look exactly like a Frank Miller character.

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And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ... ow ... ound ... round ... ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:32 PM

PURPLEBELLY


I fail to see the appeal in a piece of superficial nihilism for fans of a character-based drama. An individual may be attracted to both works, but surely for different reasons?

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:30 PM

LIZANNE


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
I fail to see the appeal in a piece of superficial nihilism for fans of a character-based drama. An individual may be attracted to both works, but surely for different reasons?



I was going to say very nearly the same thing. While they're not mutually exclusive, adoration of one doesn't predicate the same of the other.

Though, they both RULE!

Liz
Nathan sat next to me.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:42 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
I fail to see the appeal in a piece of superficial nihilism for fans of a character-based drama. An individual may be attracted to both works, but surely for different reasons?



Wow, PB, that was really deep and .... and I have no idea what that means. Everything I know about nihilism I learned from "The Big Lebowski".


Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:44 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM


I friggin' hate when the movie people do that, issue a baseline dvd before issuing the really good one. If you listen to the commentary on Hellboy, the director talks about all the cool stuff that will be on the special edition dvd, the hairy bastard.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:04 AM

CALLMEATH


Quote:

Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
superficial nihilism



As opposed to that deep, meaningful nihilism?

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:43 AM

JACQUI


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Your $.2?



Well you did ask...

My fiance and I saw this a few weeks ago.

While I loved and adored it stylistically (I think it was a gorgeous and beautiful movie visually) and I appreciate the fact that they tried to keep it as faithful to the comic as possible.

I just found it needlessly mysogynistic.

I know everyone raves about how well it portrayed women and how they were all empowered. But no, they weren't.

And that scene?

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With Jessica Alba tied up with her hands over her head and being whipped. Completely unnecessary. It was there only for the Male View.

I'm sure there was another way to get across to the audience that she was being terrorized by an evil, sadistic pedophilic rapist without so blatantly exploiting Jessica Alba.

We, the audience, were supposed to be titilated by the thought of and threat of her being raped until she screamed.



It ruined the movie for me.

And, no, this isn't me being squeamish about violent movies or violence against women, because some of my favourite movies are violent (Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2, Pulp Fiction, Natural Born Killers to name a few) and they managed to do a great deal of violence towards women without disempowering them.

Wow, sorry 'bout the rant. Little bit more than 2 cents, but... consider it a tip.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:36 AM

CHRISISALL


It was a freakin' non-stop rollercoaster ride through the dark and slimy sewers of Miller's deepest psychosis.
I enjoyed it, from that perspective.
But exactly HOW many times can a person get shot, and live? I know I'm down after just one clip!
Only thing woulda made it better was if Jessica turned out to be Max in disguise, and kicked the crap outta EVERYONE!!!

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the heads on the wall thing went a little too far...



It looked awsome Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:42 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Speaking of which, my cover for issue 2 for the SERENITY comic is of Zoe. Now I know it's done by Joe Quesada, but am I the only one here who thinks the Zoe cover looks like it was done by Frank Miller? I always thought that the way Zoe was depicted made her look exactly like a Frank Miller character.

I got the same cover, and you're right, totally.

Miller Daredevil fan Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:22 AM

ZEEK


I have to say there is nothing that makes this a movie for browncoats. There is no witty dialogue to be found from what I remember. The plot is very straight forward with little to no thinking necessary. The action is more for show than it is intense.

I don't really see how this could be compared to the work of Joss Whedon.

I'll be the first to say that I'm not a fan of poetry. So, if that's what this movie was that could be why I had a take it or leave it attitude about the film. I walked out thinking I didn't totally waste my time and money but that I wouldn't have missed anything if I hadn't seen it.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:56 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
I don't really see how this could be compared to the work of Joss Whedon.
I walked out thinking I didn't totally waste my time and money but that I wouldn't have missed anything if I hadn't seen it.

Well, you can't compare it to ANYTHING Joss has done, cause it's really just ultra-violent eye candy.
A crazy comic book homage to 40's detective flicks.

I'd call it an excellent waste of time

Critic Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:08 AM

THEREAVER


I loved Sin City. Because I'm 15 a lot of people thought the violence would be too much for me but I thought it was cool. The most difficult part was sneaking into the cinema to see it.

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I'll eat your flesh.
I'll sew your skin into my clothes.
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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:43 AM

ODDNESS2HER


How funny, I just watched the DVD last night! I found it very entertaining, although I'll never look at Elijah Wood the same way again. Shudder.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:00 AM

BROWNCOATXIONG


My wife and I went to see this in the theater. Very misogynistic and boring. Not even a group of decent actors could save this movie from the land of stupidity.

Just one guy's NSHO.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:45 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by TheReaver:
I loved Sin City. Because I'm 15 a lot of people thought the violence would be too much for me but I thought it was cool. The most difficult part was sneaking into the cinema to see it.


Young man, you go back in time THIS INSTANT and stop yourself from sneakin' in!!!!(the official version)

Kudos, dude (the un-official version) Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:49 AM

THEREAVER


Aw come on. It's not like I robbed the cinema. I bought a ticket. Just for a different movie and then walked into Sin City when nobody was looking.

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I'll eat your flesh.
I'll sew your skin into my clothes.
If you're very very lucky, I'll do it in that order - TheReaver

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:50 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BrowncoatXiong:
My wife and I went to see this in the theater. Very misogynistic and boring.

I don't think it can be stressed enough how much you SHOULDN'T watch that flick with a skirt (er, I mean lady) sittin' next to ya.

Ladies don't cotton to misogyny Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Kudos, I mean good job! I did the same for Texas Chainsaw Massacre at your age.

Movie ratings don't apply to dudes smart enough to circumvent them.

Bad influence Chrisisall

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:00 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD


"Sin City treats objects like women, man."

But, seriously. How is the movie misogynistic? I don't understand this argument (probably because it's stupid).

Quote:

With Jessica Alba tied up with her hands over her head and being whipped. Completely unnecessary. It was there only for the Male View.

We, the audience, were supposed to be titilated by the thought of and threat of her being raped until she screamed.



Yeah, because I'm sure most men get hot at the thought of women being tortured prior to their brutal rape and eventual murder. Come on, give people more credit than that. (And if it was all about exploiting Jessica Alba, I think there would have been more emphasis on the "strip" part of her job title "stripper.")

Almost all of the main (Dwight, and especially Marv and Hartigan) characters' motivations stem from a chivalrous need to protect the women around them. That might be "old-fashioned," but I don't think it degrades women. Besides, most of the time a woman saves their ass anyway. I mean, little Miho sure wasn't sitting around knitting doilies.

The film is full of violent, despicable characters doing violent, despicable things. But just because certain characters treat women badly in a movie doesn't mean the film itself advocates misogyny. Does the film advocate cannibalism because of the character of Kevin? No, of course not.

Not to mention the fact that a great majority of the violence is perpetrated against men. . .but, nevermind that. . .

Whatever. If anyone went into a movie titled Sin City and got offended, they probably deserve what they got. I'm just saying, is all.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:28 PM

THRAWN


An excellent post. My feelings exactly. I mean, any kind of stereotyping done on the women characters was done to just as profound an extent on the male characters.

I enjoyed it. It's definitely a poem.

Quote:

Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
"Sin City treats objects like women, man."

But, seriously. How is the movie misogynistic? I don't understand this argument (probably because it's stupid).

Quote:

With Jessica Alba tied up with her hands over her head and being whipped. Completely unnecessary. It was there only for the Male View.

We, the audience, were supposed to be titilated by the thought of and threat of her being raped until she screamed.



Yeah, because I'm sure most men get hot at the thought of women being tortured prior to their brutal rape and eventual murder. Come on, give people more credit than that. (And if it was all about exploiting Jessica Alba, I think there would have been more emphasis on the "strip" part of her job title "stripper.")

Almost all of the main (Dwight, and especially Marv and Hartigan) characters' motivations stem from a chivalrous need to protect the women around them. That might be "old-fashioned," but I don't think it degrades women. Besides, most of the time a woman saves their ass anyway. I mean, little Miho sure wasn't sitting around knitting doilies.

The film is full of violent, despicable characters doing violent, despicable things. But just because certain characters treat women badly in a movie doesn't mean the film itself advocates misogyny. Does the film advocate cannibalism because of the character of Kevin? No, of course not.

Not to mention the fact that a great majority of the violence is perpetrated against men. . .but, nevermind that. . .

Whatever. If anyone went into a movie titled Sin City and got offended, they probably deserve what they got. I'm just saying, is all.

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Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:11 AM

AURELIANO


pant, pant, pant,
a few minutes more at least,
rant, rant, rant,
my churning belly of a beast.

take heed my anxious, fellow A-level browncoats,
and settle that stomach of yours with some fine Scots Porridge Oats,
hear the imagined, wise words of one Jewel Staite,
"you are all the masters of your own fate".

let not exam results squeeze your cranium through a funnel,
'cause there is always at least some light at the end of the tunnel,
and I have heard the majestic space monkey's call,
for a life spent worrying, waiting, is no life at all!

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Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:25 AM

HEB


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Those persons who complain of certain Firefly eps being too violent to watch (and you know who you are) might want to watch something else, like the remake of Where the Red Fern Grows, or something.




Hey Wild,

If you're talking about me and my tendency to complain about Ariel's 'gratuitous violence':

I was made to go see this film with a group of friends, and given as how I can't cope with the violence in Ariel, you can imagine how terified I must have been!

I had my eyes shut for half the film but I did actually enjoy it to a certain extent. I thought bits of it were hilarious.

The one bit that really disturbed me was:

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when the woman says something like "he ate my arm and made me watch".That really creeped me out. I was surpised they got away with such a twisted film, essentially about paedaphilia and cannibalism.I guess they wouldn't have done if it hadn't been graphic novel style.



On the whole, a good movie but disturbing.




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Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:41 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM


Dowhatnow, with the poetry?

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:47 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM


*laughlaughsnort* Two "Big Lebowski" references, yes! Now we just need to work in some "Fear and Loathing".

Quote:

Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
"Sin City treats objects like women, man."



This was definitely a movie for men, by men. Makes it a dead cert I would like, being the most misogynistic woman I know.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Friday, August 19, 2005 4:14 AM

BLACKEYEDGIRL


I bought it Tuesday when it came out, and when I looked at the features I said, shit! They are so gonna come out with a much better version in like a month and I'm gonna have to find a new home for this one. I really needed to have the Willia/Alba cover though. I have big plans to watch this this weekend.

And I can't believe that the violence or whatever in this movie can hold a candle to the demented French movies I've been watching as of late, so I look forward to this. If anything it just seems so beautifully filmed. I'm a movie fan for all sorts of reasons, cinematography, dialogue, characterization, a movie doesn't need to have all to be great. I am looking forward to this.

BTW: they are getting ready to start production on Sin City 2: A Dame to Kill For. Anyone else hear about the Frank Miller graphic novel 300 (about the spartans) also being made into a film? If Frank's involved I think it'll be good.

And thats my 2 cents

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Friday, August 19, 2005 4:24 AM

TECHIECL


Hehehe, funny that some of ya'll don't recommend seeing the flick with a girl.

My girlefriend at the time loved it especially the couple of castrations (mildly disturbing that part).

One could say that the noir genre is by its nature misogynistic...

Ah well, I loved the movie and I love the graphic novels.

On a random note, by now ex-girl had this great brown duster on when we saw the movie. I had to quote the line "that's a mighty fine coat you got there" after the movie.

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