Core and Rim by VisitingMyIntentions

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Core and Rim

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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 20:11
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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:56 PM

If all planets/moons are in one system, some further in (Core), some further out (Rim), how would all of them be at the right distance from the sun to sustain human life?

Damnit, I like when my science fiction's science works.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:08 PM

KNIBBLET

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If all planets/moons are in one system... how would all of them be at the right distance from the sun to sustain human life?

Because Joss said so and Joss is God. Duh.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:43 PM

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS

I'm not a creationist. I demand a real response!

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:48 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM

Different suns.

Mary
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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:07 PM

DIEGO

Really close orbits (possibly with several off the plane of the ecliptic), or space mirrors? I don't know. I'd simply say it was a hot sun with a large habital zone except even then the apparent size of the sun should decrease with distance. I'm not satisfied with any of my own suggestions, sorry.

Oh well, anyone else?

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:14 PM

KAYLEERULESALL

this is the only thing i personally dont like about the show. a. they never really explain it, and b. what little there is points to one system, but also talks about waaaaaaaaaaay too many worlds to be in one system. my thought is, maybe the word system refers to something like "the Sysytem" as in "The Man", or "Big Brother." just a thought.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:58 PM

DROCCULARI

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I'm not a creationist. I demand a real response!

In short stories, like TV episodes, if the stories are good I usually don't worry about the details. They'll be dreamed up and sound convincing enough when and if they're needed for a particular story.

Never the less, here's my stab at an explaination. It's a really big system, with lots of gas giants. The Alliance has, or maybe the old Powers of Earth that Was had, the ability to compress a gas giant to the point where a fusion reaction starts, thus creating an artificial small sun -- like Arthur C. Clark did to Jupiter in 2010. The reaction could be tuned to create a proper habitable region for the largest moons of the former gas giant.

How many of the worlds in Firefly are called moons, not planets? I think Whitefall was a moon, I don't recall if others were.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:13 PM

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS

I'm an idiot.

This whole thing is debated at length over in the Episodes forum thread named "Where does Firefly take place?"

There's no need to replicate that whole hoopla here.

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Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:27 PM

ROCKETJOCK

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If all planets/moons are in one system, some further in (Core), some further out (Rim), how would all of them be at the right distance from the sun to sustain human life?
poreally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --

I always felt that "Core" and "Rim" were political terms rather than physical ones. After all, we refer to "The Third World" all the time without anyone asking where the first two are...

The beauty is that this idea works whatever the actual (physical) configuration of the 'Verse is.

Digressing a bit, if the 'Verse does all fit in one solar system, that makes it a construct on the Larry Niven/Ringworld level. Not a concept that's been addressed in SF film or TV before...

"Know what the definition of a hero is? Someone who gets other people killed." -- Zoë Warren

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:51 AM

DIEGO

I agree that hte political implication seems pretty likely. Certainly their are consistent socioeconomic differences between Rim and Core whatever the physical relationship.

However, this still begs the question of why the sun has the same magnitude for all worlds in the system.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:37 AM

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

In the Dr. who episode "The Sunmakers", a future society on Pluto is shown to be possible by the means of artificial satellites providing warmth and simulated sunlight. Perhaps it is something like that - human-made objects that create or amplify sunlight.

"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:49 PM

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS

They could use many smaller objects than we would think of for terraforming, because they mention that they made them as much like Earth-that-was as they could: atmo and gravity.

So they might be able to use very small bodies, a lot more of the moons.

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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:11 PM

ROCKETJOCK

I always preferred the multi-system idea myself, but...

Gravity manipulation of some sort is clearly old tech in the 'verse -- assuming the process is energy efficient (which is reasonable, since Serenity kept gravity control even when main power was out during Out of Gas), it could be feasible to construct a series of gravity lenses to amplify ambient sunlight. Making the local sun appear further or nearer would be just a side effect...

I just got a chilling thought. If the Alliance controls that kind of energy manipulation technology, then maybe "burn the land and boil the sea" is more than just a song verse...

It might just be a battle tactic.

"Know what the definition of a hero is? Someone who gets other people killed." -- Zoë Warren

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