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Originally posted by citizen:
It set 500 years in the future, but 500 years isn't long enough to reach another solar system using sub-light drives...
We know theres no FTL in FireFly...
so how could they get to another system, let alone one as improbabal as that of the FireFly 'verse in 500 years?

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
My take on it is that they used suspended animation on the ships so when they say 500 years, they mean 500 years that they know about and maybe a hundred thousand years of them sleeping.

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LEXIGEEK wrote:

What about Jayne firing Vera through the EVA suit in Our Mrs. Reynolds? I can accept that the air in the suit allowed for enough oxygen to fire once, but once the visor's glass was breached, wouldn't that be it? Wouldn't all the oxygen evacuate the suit at that point? He fires a bunch of shots after that first one.

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Originally posted by lexigeek:
What about Jayne firing Vera through the EVA suit in Our Mrs. Reynolds? I can accept that the air in the suit allowed for enough oxygen to fire once, but once the visor's glass was breached, wouldn't that be it? Wouldn't all the oxygen evacuate the suit at that point? He fires a bunch of shots after that first one.

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Originally posted by R1Z:
However, medical professionals always use a rubber tourniquet to engorge the veins and make them stand up so they're easy to hit.

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When Simon give an injection using a hypodermic needle, he injects at the crook of the arm, or the inside of the elbow, if you will. This site is commonly used when you need to inject into a vein, as the veins are near the surface there. However, medical professionals always use a rubber tourniquet to engorge the veins and make them stand up so they're easy to hit.

Simon never uses a tourniquet. He must be really good at this, despite the fact that in hospitals and most doctors' offices, it's the nurses who give injections.

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Originally posted by citizen:

How come the tech was not brought with them, why wernt the great minds that thought up that means of travel responcible for a second great explorationtion of space?

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Originally posted by citizen:
Apart from the fact that in modern ammunition theres enough oxygen trapped in the round itself to produce an explosive reaction:

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Originally posted by R1Z:

The suit supply would replenish the oxygen. We hope the suit has a sensor and adds 02 at the rate it's used up. 'Course, with it leaking out the bullet holes, it's gonna go through the supply pretty fast, but Jayne only needs about 5 seconds.

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Originally posted by citizen:
But what was the mechanism for traversing that distance? was it an EPR bridge?

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Originally posted by citizen:
And where the has my right contact lens gone?

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Originally posted by citizen:
Citizen is somewhere, he just don't know where

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Originally posted by R1Z:

The suit supply would replenish the oxygen. We hope the suit has a sensor and adds 02 at the rate it's used up. 'Course, with it leaking out the bullet holes, it's gonna go through the supply pretty fast, but Jayne only needs about 5 seconds.
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Sorry, the O2 would be gone instantly, and the suit would pump it out just as fast. Less than a second all around.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
a 54R sniper rifle w/out laser sights would invariably be locked on auto-fire to nail victims from a distance. He had one single hole in him; therefore the laser sight assumption.
Duh.

Weapons master Chrisisall

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Originally posted by lexigeek:
What about Jayne firing Vera through the EVA suit in Our Mrs. Reynolds? I can accept that the air in the suit allowed for enough oxygen to fire once, but once the visor's glass was breached, wouldn't that be it? Wouldn't all the oxygen evacuate the suit at that point? He fires a bunch of shots after that first one.

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Actually, the having to put Vera in the EVA suit in the first place was an error. Firearms should work perfectly well in vacuum, given proper prep of the ammo.

Consider a present-day firearm. The cartridge is for all practical purposes a sealed unit containing both air and gunpowder(in fact, most military rounds are sealed with lacquer to make them entirely waterproof for extended periods of time). When it is chambered it is still sealed. When the primer is ignited by the impact of the firing pin it is still sealed. When the powder ignites, begins to burn, and starts to push the bullet down the barrel, there is still no connection with the outside atmosphere (or lack of) until the bullet exits the barrel, by which time it has gained its maximum velocity. Perhaps if a cartridge were exposed to vacuum for a while it wouldn't fire, due to the air captured when it was loaded leaking out, but a couple of minutes shouldn't matter.

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Originally posted by citizen:
It set 500 years in the future, but 500 years isn't long enough to reach another solar system using sub-light drives...
We know theres no FTL in FireFly...
so how could they get to another system, let alone one as improbabal as that of the FireFly 'verse in 500 years?

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Consider a present-day firearm. The cartridge is for all practical purposes a sealed unit containing both air and gunpowder

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Originally posted by R1Z:
Sure, that's the case for present-day firearms.

Jayne clearly says, "She needs oxygen around her to fire, and we don't have a case." Are you implying that Jayne doesn't know his very favorite gun, the Callahan Full Bore Auto-Lock?

Jayne wouldn't lie to us about something like that.

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I still thing the Suit thing was because of some Government Regulation on the manufacture of firearms. A gun like Vera was probably built in a factory in the Core or on another Civilized world so it would be subject to government regulations. The Alliance wouldn’t want people owning weapons that can fire in vacuum since they could be used by pirates and outlaws when boarding ships.

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Originally posted by R1Z:

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Consider a present-day firearm. The cartridge is for all practical purposes a sealed unit containing both air and gunpowder

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Actually, it seems that there's almost no air in a bullet. The oxygen for combustion is provided by the potassium nitrate in the gunpowder, which is an oxidizer.

See http://1.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GU/GUNPOWDER.htm

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I still thing the Suit thing was because of some Government Regulation on the manufacture of firearms. A gun like Vera was probably built in a factory in the Core or on another Civilized world so it would be subject to government regulations. The Alliance wouldn’t want people owning weapons that can fire in vacuum since they could be used by pirates and outlaws when boarding ships.

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Good point, although I imagine the Alliance wouldn't want common citizens to to have offensive weapons at all, and it's a little hard to imagine construing the Callahan Full Bore Auto Lock as a purely defensive weapon.

Jayne got it from the (late) best of the men who came to kill him.

Do you suppose it was originally military hardware that was diverted?

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
First off, let me say there are no mistakes in Firefly.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
The whole, carefully undefined, locale of Firefly is kind of improbable, but lets stick with the timeframe issue.

Assume that Earth-that-was is used up about 2100 A.D. FTL is still impossible, but say you have artificial gravity (A given. We've seen it in the Firefly universe) and can accelerate to .99 C relatively quickly. Also assume that the Firefly locale has been populated for 100 years (plenty of time to terraform and build some civilization). This gives us a slightly less than 300 light year globe that could be reached. Plenty of stars within that space from here.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

Jayne and his Oxygen-breathing gun really make cringe. Serenity is approaching this ring-thing at probably unimaginable velocities by today’s standards and Jayne just pops his head out the airlock and shoots at it (from the hip no less!). Popular science fiction. Even the best of it is queer.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
If Vera actually needed "oxygen" around her to fire, she'd never work in an earthlike planet's atmosphere, which contains only about 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen and 1% other stuff. I find it hard to believe that Jayne would have any regard for a weapon that could only be fired in massively artificial conditions. This is a major factual error.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The One-Way Single-Use Mass Exodus Jump Gate that was constructed just before the end of Earth That Is. A combined effort of mankind targeting a galaxy of possible new near-Earth type planets. The planetary engineers were the first to use it. It was the one and only time humanity was united in a single, selfless moment, making future inequity possible.
The gate remained functional for less than two years, and 88% of the population used it before it's collapse.

Chrisisall

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Originally posted by R1Z:
Since the suit is not pressurized, it moves relatively slowly toward the holes in the faceplate. Oxygen that leaks out is continuously replenished until the supply is exhausted.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
First off, let me say there are no mistakes in Firefly.

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Oh really. In the pilot Serenity and the Reaver ship are traveling very slowly when they should be going very fast. Joss has admitted that this is a mistake!

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Originally posted by KayleeRulesAll:

Umm...

Is that cannon? if so, where did u get that information, because ive never heard anything like that said so definitively.

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Originally posted by perfessergee:
So how should we address you in your new role? Enquiring minds (and perhaps some disabled ones, too) want to know.......

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Originally posted by KayleeRulesAll:
ok, so your just shamelessly trying to pass off your own personal ideas as fact?

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Originally posted by calonriel:

Yep, I do LOVE those "Magically Appearing Dollies" that come equipped on every jury-rigged air ambulance in the Firefly 'verse. Yessiree!

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