How did he get there? (**SPOILERS**) by DonCoat

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How did he get there? (**SPOILERS**)

POSTED BY: DONCOAT
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 4, 2005 10:16
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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 1:51 AM

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Okay, I had a gruesome thought.

The funeral scene shows three graves, for Mr. U, Book, and (I can't even say it).

We know how two of them got there -- assuming the funeral was taking place on Mr.U's planetoid, they died there.

But Book didn't. We last saw him on Haven. We never saw him brought aboard Serenity. In fact, he's never so much as mentioned in the interim.

Yet, we do know how *some* corpses made the trip from Haven to Miranda and then to Mr.U's place. You don't suppose...

Even in Mal's blackest mood, he wouldn't have done that... would he?

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 1:55 AM

EMMA

I had exactly the same thought!

I reckon he did. He needed all the bodies he could get hold of.

PS Good spoiler warnings BTW!

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 2:01 AM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by DonCoat:
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We know how two of them got there -- assuming the funeral was taking place on Mr.U's planetoid, they died there.

But Book didn't. We last saw him on Haven. We never saw him brought aboard Serenity. In fact, he's never so much as mentioned in the interim.

Yet, we do know how *some* corpses made the trip from Haven to Miranda and then to Mr.U's place. You don't suppose...

Even in Mal's blackest mood, he wouldn't have done that... would he?

No I don't believe that for a moment...
if you recall Haven was close...relatively close by

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 2:20 AM

STATIC

I don't think they were graves...they were a bit close together and I didn't notice upturned soil.

I think they were memorial markers.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 2:29 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I don't believe that Mal would have used Books body in that fashion.

I think that the graves for Wash & Mr Universe (most ridiculous character name ever, unless you are a comic book hero) did in fact have their remains in them, but I believe that Book's was either empty & was a marker for him or that Mal brought Book's body along for burial when they found time to do so.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 2:47 AM

SKYSCRAPER

*** Spoilers in the book ***

Im the novilazation they made it seem like the funerals we're held in Haven. Even commenting on how interesting the flight was on one engine.

While I enjoyed the book (particulary what the characters are thinking and stuff), there seemed to be unnecessary shortcuts in some scenes. Serenity running around in the middle of the space battle was shortened. Certain locations we're changed. In the end, major ship repairs take place in the Eaves Down Dock* (spelling), the same place where they first pick up Book, Simon and River in the Firefly pilot.

I'm a little hesitent to rely too much on what the book says because of these differences, and I'll personally take the movie at its face value. It does seem in the movie like the funeral and the repairs take place in Mr. U. planet. I just don't see the ship being able to take off with only one engine.

The novel doesn't mention Book's body being used as a 'mast-head' figure. In fact, it mentions that they only took the most damaged bodies.

If you get chance, check out the book. It was written well and puts the reader a little more inside the characters minds.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 2:51 AM

WILDHEAVENFARM

They could just have been memorial markers.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 5:36 AM

DONCOAT

Well, I have the novelization and comics on order.

I was sure someone would suggest that the markers were merely memorials. The Visual Companion has the shooting script, and the scene is described as a funeral, not a memorial.

I'm not buying the idea that Serenity could get to orbit on one engine -- especially since it would have to carry the other one in the cargo bay! And then they'd have to land it at the repair yard. No landing gear either. Maybe Wash could have pulled off that kind of flying, but...

Of course, they might have gotten a tow from one of the Alliance ships, just using the remaining engine for auxiliary power.

Actually, though -- I don't really think Mal would have strapped Book's body on the nose. But maybe, just maybe... in the suit at the gun emplacement for the Haven-Miranda run, and in the cargo bay outbound from Miranda?

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 8:11 AM

MADRIK

Besides Mal's attachment to Book revealing itself after he died, there's no way Mal could have desecrated (spelling?... sound it out) Serenity and used Book's body. If it were me, I'd leave Book's body there in a secure enough location near the work area covered under a blanket.

I also believe that no one just left those bodies out there. They've had to have been a clean up of some kind. Hmm.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 8:18 AM

CHANNAIN

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I also believe that no one just left those bodies out there. They've had to have been a clean up of some kind. Hmm.

I thought of it... *shudder* but I refuse to believe Mal would go that far. He was darker, yes, but he would have been the first to recall what Book said in "Bushwacked."

"How we treat the dead is what separates us from the ones who killed those people."

Any chance they would have laid him in one of the crates and brought him along? Not having time to bury anybody and all... okay, maybe not time to bundle up the shephard either, but still...

*sigh* You'd think it would be easier, having seen it as many times as I have. It's not. I don't expect it ever will be.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 8:39 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Mr Universe (most ridiculous character name ever, unless you are a comic book hero)

okay, this is a little OT for the thread...
but since we have online bloggers now-days who call themselves 'Hercules' I don't see what is so off-the-wall about a big blogger/tech nerd guy 500 years from now calling himself 'Mr. Universe'!
Made perfect sense to me...
what do you think, he'd be content to continue using whatever lame name his parents had given him?
No one online does that now.

Personally I loved the guy, his bot, and his name
(which also seemed like a shout to to Universal Studios and how they have helped to 'save the signal' of the show we all loved so much)

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 8:55 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
okay, this is a little OT for the thread...
but since we have online bloggers now-days who call themselves 'Hercules' I don't see what is so off-the-wall about a big blogger/tech nerd guy 500 years from now calling himself 'Mr. Universe'!
Made perfect sense to me...
what do you think, he'd be content to continue using whatever lame name his parents had given him?
No one online does that now.

Personally I loved the guy, his bot, and his name
(which also seemed like a shout to to Universal Studios and how they have helped to 'save the signal' of the show we all loved so much)

Never considered it as a shout out to Universal for saving us by giving us the movie. If that is the case, it seems a fitting tribute.

If not, then I stick by my original opinion; "Mr. Universe" just seems too comic bookish for me personally. I want to bust out laughing every time I read it or hear it honestly. It just seems ridiculous that anyone would go by that handle. Sure there is a "Hercules" who does reviews over at Ain't It Cool, but he is not calling himself "Mr Universe".

To each their own I suppose.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 9:15 AM

CHANNAIN

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Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Never considered it as a shout out to Universal for saving us by giving us the movie. If that is the case, it seems a fitting tribute.

If not, then I stick by my original opinion; "Mr. Universe" just seems too comic bookish for me personally. I want to bust out laughing every time I read it or hear it honestly. It just seems ridiculous that anyone would go by that handle. Sure there is a "Hercules" who does reviews over at Ain't It Cool, but he is not calling himself "Mr Universe".

OOH, there's my sore spot.

How does a guy get the name "Mr. Universe" in a place where everyone refers to space as "the 'verse?"

I keep wondering if something of a more Chinese vein wouldn't have been more appropriate? Of course the general public would have been completely confused by it... but Mr. Universe?

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 9:36 AM

LTNOWIS

Not everyone calls space the 'verse, do they? I would think the Alliance planets would certainly still use the word universe. Even if it had completely fallen out of use, a guy like him might use an archaic word.

I don't think Mr. Universe is an inappropriate name in the least, at least not in terms of believability. I mean, according to Wikipedia, someone changed his name to Optimus Prime, after the transformer. And Mr. U's probably not even his name, just an alias.

Back on topic, I don't think Mal would've done that to Book, but I guess it's not out of the question. Thinking back now, those memorials did seem kind of close to be graves, but I'll have to see it again to get a better look.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2005 10:16 AM

ZEEK

Could very well be they were on a different planet at that point. We didn't see them leave but, when Serenity does take off again, they don't fly through any ion cloud to get out. We see what going through the cloud looks like when they do the camera shot that flies into the planet and to Mr. Universe's lair. We don't see the reverse effect on the way out.

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