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Originally posted by DrRob:
Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.

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Originally posted by dug:

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Originally posted by DrRob:
Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.

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I tend to think the opposite after thinking about their origin. The Mirandans lost all motivation and died because they couldn't work up the motivation to even eat. The recording said that in a percentage the opposite happened, and then talked about rage. We tend to think of the Reavers solely from that rage idea...but think of what that recording meant.

I think that not only do they have insanely uncontrollable rage, but also are off the scale on motivation. Essentially hard-wired OCD. The Mirandans stopped doing anything; the Reavers can't ever stop. Think of the "decorations" on their ships; the incredibly creative weapons and even the obsessive self mutilations.

I think they are fully aware of the normal humans they used to be. I think they hate themselves for what they are just a tiny bit less than they hate everything else. I think they literally can never stop acting on those feelings either. And that's a lot scarier than just "insane rage." This fits with their ability to work together, pilot ships and even plan out raids on settlements small enough to be taken easily. And I swear it scares me even more every time I think it through.

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Originally posted by dug:
I tend to think the opposite after thinking about their origin. The Mirandans lost all motivation and died because they couldn't work up the motivation to even eat. The recording said that in a percentage the opposite happened, and then talked about rage. We tend to think of the Reavers solely from that rage idea...but think of what that recording meant.

I think that not only do they have insanely uncontrollable rage, but also are off the scale on motivation. Essentially hard-wired OCD. The Mirandans stopped doing anything; the Reavers can't ever stop. Think of the "decorations" on their ships; the incredibly creative weapons and even the obsessive self mutilations.

I think they are fully aware of the normal humans they used to be. I think they hate themselves for what they are just a tiny bit less than they hate everything else. I think they literally can never stop acting on those feelings either. And that's a lot scarier than just "insane rage." This fits with their ability to work together, pilot ships and even plan out raids on settlements small enough to be taken easily. And I swear it scares me even more every time I think it through.

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Originally posted by DrRob:
Reasons to paralyze: Rape, save to eat later, won't move around as much when you skin her to make a shiny Kaylee hat?

Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.



"Guess you broke into the wrong rec room."

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Simon's hero moment was in the opening prologue when he detonated that sonic bomb and breaking River out. Along with him opening the doors of the cargo bay for the "barn swallow" as well as setting off the extinguishers, and attending the wounded crew during the final Reaver battle. Actually, one of my favorite bit's of character development was that Simon was no longer the punching bag he was on the show. That is someone pushed him, he pushed back.

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I strongly diasgree. I think that with the short amount of time given to each character, Joss did give them their moments to shine and to show their personalities and how they related to each other on the ship. The Jayne/Kaylee scene where he's putting the Reaver debris into the pit and she's picking through random parts (Did anyone notice that the piece that she raised her eyebrows at was the same part that was desperately needed to fix the ship in OUT OF GAS) showed her love of all things mechanics and how she sometimes served as the heart and the conscience of the ship ("One by one, Cap'ns gonna drive us off the ship. Just like Simon and River. Just like Inara." and the vid that Kaylee shoots of Inara packing things up shows her sensitivity to the crew members and her respect and adoration for Inara). This also comes across in her tearful speech to Simon (with the comment on the Capison 38 engines really showing that she's a motorhead). Admittedly, I think the scenes with Simon admitting his feelings for Kaylee and them getting it on in the end with River watching were probably more for the closure of the fans and for all Simon/Kaylee shippers (myself included), but for the unitiated, the scenes do drive home the point of FIREFLY in that it's a search for meaning in a meaningless world. Because of that, I do think that "To Hell with this. I wanna live." is probably the most important line of the flick, as well as the funniest.

So no, I don't think Kaylee as a character got the shaft, nor anyone else for that matter. And if we do end up with sequels, maybe we'll see more of Kaylee.

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