True Browncoats vs. supposed 'fans' by OPPYH

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True Browncoats vs. supposed 'fans'

POSTED BY: OPPYH
UPDATED: Friday, October 7, 2005 08:13
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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 4:59 PM

I have seen Serenity 3 times now, and plan on more. I'm not crazy, I just love Firefly/Serenity, and I don't want the person who made the call to cancel Firefly on Fox sit back and say "I told ya so".
Here is my problem: people who have watched Firefly, claim to be a huge fan, and are skipping Serenity. A good friend of mine who watched Firefly with me from the beginning, and when it was cancelled was just as angry as I was has not seen Serenity, and as far as I know doesn't plan on seeing it in the theater. Sort of perplexing I guess. I even offered to pay for his ticket and buy him a Pepsi, still nothing. I don't get it. The comic shop I go to has the same laid back attitude. while all the regulars claim to "love" Firefly, none of them have seen it. I don't know if they are just waiting for the dvd release, but it seems to me if you like Firefly you would be there on opening weekend. This truly will be the end for the entire Firefly verse if this is the way it is. These"fans" are killing the true believers. I'm sad, so I will go now.

"Put a bullet in my brainpan...squish"

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:10 PM

SIGMANUNKI

People not going?!?! And they call themselves Browncoats?!?!

Personally, I never go to the theater anymore. And I mean never.

But, this was Serenity. So, I went opening weekend.

Luckly, (and surprisingly) I didn't hear any jackasses in the theater prattling on the whole time. In fact, things were quite civil. I think it was because there were Sci-fi fans (more specifically a percentage of Browncoats) that made this possible.

For those of you that were in the same theater as me, Thank you.

There are also people who don't like opening weekend because it tends to be somewhat rowdy. My parents will see it, but in a week or two (I'll make sure of that

). Hopefully there are enough of that type that will make this movie make Universal think it's worth it to make another one.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 9:05 PM

NOX2HED

IMHO, Firefly arose from the ashes of F*x’s (burning their blundering asses) because despite the (should be executed, executives) airing the show in the worst way possible, it’s survival to the point of the BDM, was, aside from it’s unique, originality, and wonderful characters, also the context of being a weekly, new experience that unfortunately cannot be truly replaced by a (or hopefully plural) movie.

It’s common knowledge that the movie viewing audience has been migrating to the ‘home theatre’ dvd format of viewing (aside from the advancing quality of home viewing, the many conveniences (as pause, replay, etc.) but the added conviences of such things as not having to (travel to, finding good seating, the decreasing quality of theater sound and visual dynamics, and of course the benefit that at home you can easily dispense of the obnoxious (of any sort) of viewers that are a common plague of the public viewing experience.

As glad as I am to see Serenity as a movie, my honest opinion is that unless somehow it gets re-ignited as a ‘quality’ TV series, all the hopeful dreams of the veteran coats or the newly initiated are doomed to reliving the remnants of a true gem that was stolen by those who ‘to paraphrase from Gladiator’ “days of self admiration, shall soon come to an end”

(for anyone interested, the scifi.com Firefly BB site is running pole as to whether Joss's series should (somehow) be continued. I know all the ‘naysayers’ say is impossible, but I read transcript from Joss and crew that ‘under the right circumstances, he would rather continue in TV series form than as movie format’.

I’d rather cast a vote in favor than give up.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 9:38 PM

CALHOUN

Everyone I have introduced Firefly to has seen the BDM. Most of us twice.

My first time I was standing in the candybar line when I noticed the guy in front of me had a similar Jayne(blue sun) shirt to me on. I commented to him on his shirt and we talked for 15 mins as if we were old time buddies. Its a special thing that can make strangers feel like good friends.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 9:54 PM

REDKOMMIE

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
I have seen Serenity 3 times now, and plan on more. I'm not crazy, I just love Firefly/Serenity, and I don't want the person who made the call to cancel Firefly on Fox sit back and say "I told ya so".
Here is my problem: people who have watched Firefly, claim to be a huge fan, and are skipping Serenity. A good friend of mine who watched Firefly with me from the beginning, and when it was cancelled was just as angry as I was has not seen Serenity, and as far as I know doesn't plan on seeing it in the theater. Sort of perplexing I guess. I even offered to pay for his ticket and buy him a Pepsi, still nothing. I don't get it. The comic shop I go to has the same laid back attitude. while all the regulars claim to "love" Firefly, none of them have seen it. I don't know if they are just waiting for the dvd release, but it seems to me if you like Firefly you would be there on opening weekend. This truly will be the end for the entire Firefly verse if this is the way it is. These"fans" are killing the true believers. I'm sad, so I will go now.

"Put a bullet in my brainpan...squish"

Well I would like to think of myself as a browncoat (Big Smile), but I don't know if I have the money for it! (ie. not enough to go enough times to support the movie, buy a browncoat.. so forth :D)

Anyways! I have now seen the movie twice (and I think that is all I will be able to see the movie any time soon). I did take THREE of my friends with me. And they "enjoyed" the movie, but weren't moved. I think my trying to get them to watch the series might have turned them off but being BLOWN away, but they did indeed enjoy it :D

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 3:12 AM

OPPYH

I understand the money issue. I'm a bit cashed out myself as of late. I'm really going to try and see it once a week until it's gone though. I'm also going to continue to ask friends, and family to go with. Hopefully they like it, and spread the word.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 3:24 AM

THEPLAGUE

I think it takes seeing it to want to see it more. Between the end of Firefly and Serenity coming out was a long time, it's probable many forgot what it felt like to be in the universe.

That said, I'm sure people have their own reasons for wanting or not wanting to see it a hundred times and in the first week or whatever, and I'm not sure it's anyone else's place but their own to feel anything about this either way.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 3:34 AM

PATSRULE

I call myself a fan, but I would never call myself a browncoat. Thats not my style. I have bought the DVD of the show, seen the movie, and recommended firefly to others.

I understand the people who didn't go to see the movie and are waiting for the DVD, though. I do that for a lot of movies. It is hard to get out, with a 2 income family and children. If you want to see the movie thats great, you want to encourage others to go, thats great too. But I won't criticize those who didn't go. People have their own lives to live too.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 10:08 AM

JASONZZZ

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
I understand the money issue. I'm a bit cashed out myself as of late. I'm really going to try and see it once a week until it's gone though. I'm also going to continue to ask friends, and family to go with. Hopefully they like it, and spread the word.

Some of these places will let you get a credit card with really low initial interest rates, or those check cashing services work pretty well too if you need to hold off the debt til next paycheck...

The movie just need to hold on thru the 2nd week's weekend fo rnow...

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 10:26 AM

NINGJING

I didn't see Firefly when it first aired, but I finished the box set in two days and felt empty and vacant during the credits of the last episode. Does that make me a browncoat?

I sat through all of the credits of the BDM, desperately hoping they'd show me something more. Does that make me a browncoat?

Don't know, don't care. I love the show, thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and wish like hell there was more. I'm thrilled to be able to share this passion with all of you, and to know I'm not alone.

So, if some folks who never actually saw the show or the movie want to claim to be browncoats, I feel flattered, rather than cheated. Be my guest. Welcome to the club, so to speak. What they do (or don't do) in no way diminishes my passion for Firefly.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 11:50 AM

MER

I dunno. I call myself a fan, but other fans browncoats.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. What matter is to keep flying.

lol god I'm cheesy as Adam...

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 12:20 PM

OPPYH

Quote:
Originally posted by theplague:
That said, I'm sure people have their own reasons for wanting or not wanting to see it a hundred times and in the first week or whatever, and I'm not sure it's anyone else's place but their own to feel anything about this either way.

I understand that completely, and I don't mind going to see it alone. I'm just surprised that most of my friends aren't in any rush to see it. These are the same friends that lined up to see the first screening of Star Wars 3 at a midnight show. I wouldn't care one bit if the opening weekend had better numbers. As it stands, If Serenity doesn't draw a substantial sum more than what it's earning in theaters, The Serenity universe will be dead for sure.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 12:50 PM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by NingJing:
I didn't see Firefly when it first aired, but I finished the box set in two days and felt empty and vacant during the credits of the last episode. Does that make me a browncoat?

My definition of a browncoat is them that do what they can to spread the good word about Serenity and Firefly. I conjure that includes you.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 12:56 PM

JASONZZZ

Just get them the ticket and "kidnap" them
and bring 'em to the theatre. Get them a
popcorn and soda too if that's what it
takes to get them to go. It's up to
everyone here to go and drive up ticket
sales for the 2nd weekend !!!

It's too late for simple talking andverbal persuasion, time for some real action.

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:
I have seen Serenity 3 times now, and plan on more. I'm not crazy, I just love Firefly/Serenity, and I don't want the person who made the call to cancel Firefly on Fox sit back and say "I told ya so".
Here is my problem: people who have watched Firefly, claim to be a huge fan, and are skipping Serenity. A good friend of mine who watched Firefly with me from the beginning, and when it was cancelled was just as angry as I was has not seen Serenity, and as far as I know doesn't plan on seeing it in the theater. Sort of perplexing I guess. I even offered to pay for his ticket and buy him a Pepsi, still nothing. I don't get it. The comic shop I go to has the same laid back attitude. while all the regulars claim to "love" Firefly, none of them have seen it. I don't know if they are just waiting for the dvd release, but it seems to me if you like Firefly you would be there on opening weekend. This truly will be the end for the entire Firefly verse if this is the way it is. These"fans" are killing the true believers. I'm sad, so I will go now.

"Put a bullet in my brainpan...squish"

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 12:59 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by patsrule:

I understand the people who didn't go to see the movie and are waiting for the DVD, though. I do that for a lot of movies. It is hard to get out, with a 2 income family and children. If you want to see the movie thats great, you want to encourage others to go, thats great too. But I won't criticize those who didn't go. People have their own lives to live too.

I personally won't criticize those who can't go for reasons. If you just can't, then so mote it be.

If they are waiting for the crowds to tone down, ok. If they are waiting for the DVD, ok. It's all going into the profit pile for the movie.

But I will criticize those who say, man I love that show! It kicked ass! I'm such a fan! Then say, meh, don't want to see it. Or who cares. But, I'm still a fan/Browncoat, woot.

It's a contradiction in terms that I'm seeing there. And I find it totally acceptable to call people on it if that is the case.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 1:09 PM

SUTTCLIFFE

I'll admit that I had to get reaquainted with the series when I heard there was a movie coming out. When the show was first on the air, I made an effort to check it out everyweek, at least see ten or fifteen minutes of it, but when the time slot kept changing, I kind of lost track of it. But, a few months ago, I saw the box set at a store and thought, "Huh. I really enjoyed that show when it was on, so it's worth the thirty five bucks" and I watched the entire series over the next two day, stopping only for classes and food. And now that Serenity is out, I've seen it two times and have used the money I do my grocery shopping with to fund the screenings. Also, my friends and I have gotten three people to buy the box sets and see the movie with us. So, I'm trying to make up for lost time.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 2:30 PM

OPPYH

If a new Matrix or Star Wars movie were to be released, my friend would be there opening day. But Serenity...it's not even on his radar,and he claims to rate Firefly in between the two.
??
"Put a bullet in my brainpan...squish"

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 3:35 PM

SOMEPEOPLEJUGGLEGEESE

I don't watch much tv, and since Fox didn't do that great of advertisment for Firefly, i never got to see it when it was first aired. And i really wish that i had. But i have made up for that at much as i can, i have rented the DVDs from the video store until i was able buy it. I've watched it over and over till i can quote along with it. Just being the way i am, i hate it when people claim to be a fan, but don't go and see the movie. I wanted to see the nonexistant midnight showing and i went to see it friday night all dressed up. But then i never saw it when it was first aired so i dunno if i would be able to call myself a browncoat.

I had to take my friends to see it and i don't know if they will even want to see it again because my friends love Wash. As much as i love Wash, it's not going to stop me from loving it and seeing it again.

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Wash: "Maybe she likes shuttles...
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Thursday, October 6, 2005 3:51 PM

ILGREVEN

Quote:
The comic shop I go to has the same laid back attitude. while all the regulars claim to "love" Firefly, none of them have seen it. I don't know if they are just waiting for the dvd release,

You gotta remember that most comic book fans today opt to wait for a trade paperback, rather than get the individual comics. Quite often, that leads to the first TPB of the series being the last as well. And then these 'fans' complain that no new series can break in.

Well, duh. You're not supporting it, so why should someone who's trying to make money oblige you? They'll keep making Spider-Man and Hulk and Star Wars and crappy remakes of teevee series 'till the end of time, 'cuz that's what sells...

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 4:15 PM

SIGMANUNKI

I don't know why people say they don't know if they are a Browncoat or would be allow (however you wish to put it) to call themselves a Browncoat. So, I'll give my criteria.

If you are a fan of the series/movie and have got caught up in the passion that is FF, then you are a Browncoat.

Or really, you can call yourself a Browncoat. Fine if you don't wanna.

But, IMO, if you've caught the bug enough to post and have conversations about the series/movie online (kinda like here), that qualifies you.

So, welcome my fellow Browncoats! May be rejoice in our wonderful 'verse together

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 4:53 PM

THEPYRO

I guess im a Browncoat, but that doesn't really make me all that special...I've only seen the movie once, but thats mainly becuase im a busy guy, and i live out in the middle of nowhere, and i mean the middle of nowhere, like i have to drive and hour and a half to get to a movie theater....so i did, on the 30th mind you (opening day), and its AWESOME and you dont know how much i want to go again :( but i just can't, I'm goign to go ASAP again. Im also telling everyone to go and see the movie, and telling to go buy the discs too. so a Browncoat i am!

The Pyro - 53r3n1ty's /\w350m3! F1r3fly t00!

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 4:55 PM

LIMINALOSITY

It seems lately that the money a movie takes in from rentals and DVD sales in the first weeks after release is a BDDeal to the studios. Seems to me I heard somewhere that the movie got to happen partly by way of the enthusiasm and activism of the fans, and partly from the enormous response to the DVD release. I'll be going yet again this week and bringing more friends (yippie! more converts), and I hope nobody's getting too down in the dumps cuz the #s aren't in the billions (yet) for opening week.

While there are yet growing things and the flights of birds wrapping the world, there is continuance. -S. Tepper

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Friday, October 7, 2005 2:25 AM

FLIGHTRISKER

For such a niche product, a film based on a cancelled tv show, I don't get why people gotta start this kinda in-fighting. Anyone who likes firefly is a fan of firefly. Why we gotta critisise people who aren't as in to it as others I'll never know. Let's just be happy that there's a broad enough fan base to have casual fans and obbsessive fans alike.

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Friday, October 7, 2005 3:41 AM

SOMEPEOPLEJUGGLEGEESE

I don't understand the crowd thing thought. Both times that i have gone, there have been a total of like 5 people in the theater, 10 at the most. In fact, when i went the second time, me and my two friends were the only ones there until 2 others showed up.

Zoe: "If she can fly the ship, why take the shuttle?"
Wash: "Maybe she likes shuttles..."
(Silence)
Wash: "Some people juggle geese!"

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Friday, October 7, 2005 5:06 AM

FUZRUM

I'm actually running into the same apathy among my friends. When the Firefly dvds came out, I ordered 2 copies: 1 for myself and 1 to pass around to all my friends. I turned all of them into fans of the show. They really, really enjoyed it. Out of about 10 or so, only TWO of them have gone to see the movie. I invited them all to go last weekend, but they all had better things to do. But I don't get the feeling any of them even -plan- on going. It really does just boggle my mind.

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Friday, October 7, 2005 5:40 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

I think this shows the difference between fan and fanatic (yes, I know the former is a shortened form of the latter, but it is time to split that hair).

Fans are people who enjoy whatever it is they like to watch/participate in (sports, movies, sci-fi, etc.) and don't truly care as to the whos, whats, wheres, whens, and whys.

Fanatics are people who want more of the same specific thing (Red Sox to win, Serenity to continue, Lindsey Lohan to get naked, etc) and will go to almost any length to see it to fruition.

I am a sci-fi fan, BUT I am a Firefly Fanatic. I am a football fan, BUT I am a Bengals Fanatic. See where I am going with that?

So, yeah, it sucks that the "fans" are casual about this, but I think the "fanatics" are doing there part, and more fanatics will come along soon enough. Star Wars was never going to be a franchise until the buzz started hitting AFTER the movie left theatres (of course back then it also didn't have DVD release months after theatre release like nowadays, so maybe that drove it harder). I think we will see more of the same, just like when the show was cancelled. People will be amazed, and the slowly start building the buzz for the next piece to be put in place. Serenity happened, like Empire Strikes Back, because the fanatic desire to have more.

Go see the movie. See it more often if you can. Hell, I don't care if you go see Flightplan *coughsuckscoughsucks*, but consider buying a ticket to Serenity and "accidentally" sit in the wrong theatre. :D Just don't worry about the fans. My wife is a fan. She enjoys it but probably won't see it again until DVD. I do not fret. I am a Browncoat, and a proud one at that.

Sure, October release isn't great, Episode III and HHGTTG releasing in the summer probably got it bumped, but hell, we were dead. Fox killed the show. It was done, over. It's been worse than this and here we are seeing a movie that should have never been. We rose again...and I'm thinking we will rise again and again and again should someone attempt to put us down like dogs once more.

And if not, I am still grateful that the movie was made, and I will continue to see it in theatres as often as I can afford. I will own as much related merchandise as I can afford. I will own the DVD. They can't take my sky from me. I love this world, this 'Verse, that Joss Whedon has created, and I refuse to let it go because of a few casual and apathetic people. I've seen too much to the contrary to think that this is over.

Keep flyin', Browncoats! We may be few, but we are mighty! Serenity proves that.

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Friday, October 7, 2005 6:31 AM

BLACKEYEDGIRL

That was a bit beautiful 10thCM.

I totally agree.

I am a Sci-Fi Fan, but I am a Firefly Fanatic. (but I'm not a Bengals Fanatic, I'm a Packers Fanatic although my allegiance is being seriously tested this season)

I am broke as a joke, I am crossing my fingers that my rent check clears, but I'm cleaning out the change pig, and going to the theater to pay for my ticket to see the BDM (although I might sneak into Waiting, just cos seeing the film 4 times is getting excessive, even for me). I've bought 8 DVD sets as gifts, I figure a couple of movie tickets ain't gonna kill me.

And to all those fans who are abandoning ship cos they don't like the way Joss did things, remember this, he crammed almost 2 seasons of the show into 2 hours. Do you really think he didn't want to tell a more elaborate tale? One where we got more than 5 minutes of screen time for everyone (honestly if I had only seen the movie I would think Jewel Staite was a talent on par with 'can't act my way out of a paper bag' Gellar, but I know different cos of the show)?

I am just happy enough to stick my middle finger high in the air at F*x in retaliation. A very, 'see what you lost' kind of moment.

This might not be enough for a sequel, but I'll tell you, if I were an executive at Sci-Fi, I would be standing up and taking notice. They already dominate Fridays, I'm waiting for them to take over another night of TV, when things suck unless you like CSI, like Thursdays (although I do like the Night Stalker). Serenity, the Series would be a perfect addition to Sci-Fi's universe of superior Sci-Fi programming. They are doing what they always set out to do, make the best in Sci-fi and play the best in sci-fi. A lot of Stargate and Battlestar fans are Firefly Fans and Sci-Fi knows it. Imagine a Sci-Fi Thursday with Stargate Atlantis and Serenity with a Friday of SG1 and Battlestar. Wouldn't that be the shit?

Don't you think for one second Joss wouldn't go back to TV to tell these stories the way he originally intended. Hell, he could even get the old band back together cos I know Tim Minear would love a steady job that doesn't involve immediate cancellation.

The difference between Fan and Fantatic is simple, a Fanatic understands that things must change for them to remain good, a fan doesn't care and wants it to remain the same cos it's easier to jump in and out of. That's fine, but I like change, and I would have been disappointed if Joss had excluded the Firefly-verse in his long standing way of shaking things up.

Here's to the future, WE HOLD!
Remember folks, Joss and the cast did their parts, now it's OUR TURN!

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Friday, October 7, 2005 8:13 AM

UMSUMAYYAH

Well said.
Had a kind of poetry to it.

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