Could Season Two (if made) be in a different continuity? by christhecynic

GENERAL DISCUSSIONS

Could Season Two (if made) be in a different continuity?

POSTED BY: CHRISTHECYNIC
UPDATED: Thursday, October 13, 2005 08:42
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 8670
PAGE 1 of 1

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:04 AM

I generally dislike different continuities, I really do. I think there should be one version of something unless it is a very decent remake that is clearly distinct from the original. On the other hand I wouldn’t mind seeing a second season of Firefly pick up where the show left off and not be constrained by needing to match up with the movie.

A chance for Joss to take things more slowly as he originally intended. (Take more time to do things in detail as some of us would have prefered.) The events of the movie would still play out eventually, though not necessarily exactly the same, but we’d see what led up to it and it wouldn’t need to be done as quickly.

So the second season is probably a pipe dream, as much as I want it I can not convince myself it has a chance of happening, but if it did is there some reason it would need to follow the movie or agree with the movie?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:57 AM

DREAMTROVE

Spoilers.

I think not.

A failure of continuity would weaken everything and erode the potential fanbase. Wash is going to stay dead, and so is Book. the only way they're coming back to life is if we go back in time and fill in the 6 mos or so that we are missing.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:21 PM

KESTREL

The fanbase is already shot to hell along the lines of true FIREFLY fans and those who like whatever the hell SERENITY was supposed to be.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:33 PM

THEONETRUEBIX

Quote:
Originally posted by Kestrel:
The fanbase is already shot to hell along the lines of true FIREFLY fans and those who like whatever the hell SERENITY was supposed to be.

Actually, no, it's along the lines of those who think they are the guardians of what "true FIREFLY fans" are, and those who are mature enough to not create such artificial and self-serving distinctions.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:59 PM

SAGRILARUS

Quote:
Actually, no, it's along the lines of those who think they are the guardians of what "true FIREFLY fans" are, and those who are mature enough to not create such artificial and self-serving distinctions.

Dude, smell the coffee. The continuity is completely hosed. Joss made a movie designed to make money. Given the landscape, it was a smart thing to do. But don't think for a minute the show and the movie will ever be made to match up.

If you liked the movie, that's great. But let's not ignore the elephant in the room.

Sag.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:04 PM

THEONETRUEBIX

The continuity is only "completely hosed" for people lacking either the interest or curiosity for the intellectual challenge of seeing how to fit the series and film together in ways that actually serve to strengthen the complexity of the characters.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:21 PM

SEP7IMUS

I'm not going to jump into the "who's firefly-ier" debate.
SPOILERS
.
.
.
.

But, Joss has said that if there IS any sort of sequel or second season, it will include Book and Wash, and not in any sort of bring-them-back-from-the-dead or Wash's-twin-brother way.

To me, that sounds like a prequel, either to the show or, more likely, to fill in the gaps between the show and the movie.

(Perhaps, that will even satisfy those who felt that the two were discontinuous...)

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:51 PM

SKYMUTT

Well, it doesn't speak to keeping Book in another series or movie, but there ARE roughly 6 years of back history for Serenity and her crew. An aweful lot can be done there.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:57 PM

ENGINEANGEL

Quote:

Sep7imus wrote:
I'm not going to jump into the "who's firefly-ier" debate.
SPOILERS
But, Joss has said that if there IS any sort of sequel or second season, it will include Book and Wash, and not in any sort of bring-them-back-from-the-dead or Wash's-twin-brother way.

To me, that sounds like a prequel, either to the show or, more likely, to fill in the gaps between the show and the movie.

MORE SPOILERS ON THE WAY!!!

There are other things he could do: namely either a ghost (i'd like wash coming back as a ghost that only river can see - it adds a twist) or flashbacks. Could you give me the article you got your Joss info from? I'd like to look into it. Thanks.

Keep flyin'
EngineAngel

------------------------------------------------------
EARLY: Where'd she go?
SIMON: I can't keep track of her when she's
NOT incorporeally possessing a
spaceship, don't look at me --
EARLY: You folk are all insane!
SIMON: Well, my sister's a ship, we had a
complicated childhood.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:09 PM

SEP7IMUS

Crap! I knew that someone would ask for the source of that quote.

I read it just today (or maybe yesterday) in a transcript from a fan/press conference in Australia (I think). It must have been linked from here, because that's the only place I would have found it, but now I can't seem to find it.

It was posted on some other forum (an Aussie-Whedon-fan site, I believe) in two parts. The first half starts the thread there, and the second half appears a few pages in.

Can anyone help out, because I just can't find it (even in my browser history!)?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:50 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:

Dude, smell the coffee. The continuity is completely hosed. Joss made a movie designed to make money.

Okay. But then again, no. Does this sound at all like Joss? Joss then man who lives to make television, a medium that curiously he says he cannot stand to watch? A man who... has a habit of spending many many millions of dollars on things that won't ever make a dime. Joss does not know how to make money, well okay, he probably does, but he doesn't want to. Joss likes to spend money. Serenity was designed to create new firefly interest while losing money. I think it's two for two.

Anyway, I expect fill in, but also future future story. He's up for maybe 1/2 a season of past. Maybe a full season if he really draws it out.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:12 PM

FIREFLYFAN908

Well for starters lets talk crazy. I mean what if a Season Two was made, would you be really interested in watching something you already know the end too. The excitement would be gone, because you know none of the characters are going to die or get together, for that matter. If there is a miracle and a season two is made, I dont think it should be made as a prequel to the movie, obviously many people would not be interested in watching, since they already know the end to it. I believe that if there was by a small miracle another season It should be made after the movie, not before. That way it brings new fans and the show would not get cancelled as the last time.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA

After he put a nice, thick Buffystake through the heart of something we cherished ?

I think Joss should just leave it be, there's no reason to further mutilate what was a decent series, and I do mean that, since I can't watch the DVDs as of late without going "WTF were you thinking Joss!!??" a couple times during each episode.

How bout we beg him NOT to make a sequel, ehe ?
Please ?

Let us have our 14 episodes of magic, and go mangle something else, k ?

Whew... sorry, hadda get that off my chest, folks.

-F

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:31 PM

DREAMTROVE

Okay, I agree somewhat about the already knowing who lives and who dies. I prefer definitely a Serenity forward moving season 2, perhaps with occassional flashbacks to what happened in the time gap.

I'm going to kill them all. That oughtta distract 'em.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:33 PM

RACEFANZ

This site is the best for general movie finanical, etc. information. The BDM still hasnt broke even.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=serenity.htm

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:02 AM

GREGGALLINSON

Quote:
Originally posted by Kestrel:
The fanbase is already shot to hell along the lines of true FIREFLY fans and those who like whatever the hell SERENITY was supposed to be.

Oh please. Spare me your holier-than-thou attitude. Serenity was what it should've been: it essentially started where Firefly season one left off (remember, Inara was going to leave and River had discovered and started to control her powers) and built from there. I suppose you would've preferred two old episodes stapled together and shown on the big screen, ala the Star Trek: The Next Generation "movies"?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:03 AM

GREGGALLINSON

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
After he put a nice, thick Buffystake through the heart of something we cherished ?

I think Joss should just leave it be, there's no reason to further mutilate what was a decent series, and I do mean that, since I can't watch the DVDs as of late without going "WTF were you thinking Joss!!??" a couple times during each episode.

How bout we beg him NOT to make a sequel, ehe ?
Please ?

Let us have our 14 episodes of magic, and go mangle something else, k ?

Whew... sorry, hadda get that off my chest, folks.

-F

Er...you DO realise that Joss Whedon created this 'verse and he can do whatever he damn well pleases with it, right?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 AM

VERASNEWOWNER

Just to reference some of the posts above mine...

Me and my girlfriend have just come to a decision to the problem at hand.

She says that if they were to do anything at all, there should be a series that follows on from where it left off, still telling the story of the movie but longer and slower and in more detail.

In our oppinion, the movie was too rushed and in some parts, just went for a buck in some places.

We also had the idea of the movie and series not coming into contact with each other whatsoever, in other words, season two (If there is to be one) should carry on without hinting to the movie.

The movie, as stated by loads of people and websites and possibly Joss himself, is a stand-alone project that, in lamens terms, is a very abbrieviated version of the show.

Now, im also against multiple continuities, especially being a follower of the Star Trek franchise for years until Voyager and Enterprise came and F

ng destroyed it all.

So im all for continuity violations...

Well, not major, but still, if its done really really reallly really really exceptionally well, then its ok.

Either prequal, sequal, continuing etc etc im not bothered unless, as ive said, its done well.

But asside from that, i have no problem taking them both as seperate projects. To a certain extent yes, i am bothered, but im not a nit picking fan boy who follows EVERY LITTLE GORRAM THING as close as possible.

I could be lying though

But...

Yes, theres always a big BUT....

The movie, the way we both see it, is Joss' 'Kick-in-the-gorram-mouth' to the dumb ass tv execs at fox who shafted his show after just a handfull of episodes.

So, we both had that theory about 15 minutes ago while looking at the boards, were supposed to be researching stuff for college, but were taking advantage of their internet.

Its just a theory we both had, not that wed like this to happen cos it would be really really confusing, so please, take it all with a pinch of salt.

From Chris and Nicole

Oh yeah, just forgot.

Joss told me to pass this onto you guys at the Fox network...

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:35 AM

BKIVEY

I have a bit of difficulty thinking about a Season Two when Season One wasn't even finished.I realize that the movie provides what amounts to a Season One finale. I am thinking of the British approach to TV series where they will film a limited number of episodes, do a few TV movies, and after a year or so film another Series. It's all a bit eccentric but given the subject matter of "Firefly" it might just work.

I am thinking of the British series "Red Dwarf" and "Chef!". While "Red Dwarf" didn't go the TV movie route both series followed the stop-start pattern and an American analogue would be "The Sopranos".

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:44 AM

VERASNEWOWNER

Quote:
Originally posted by BKIvey:
I have a bit of difficulty thinking about a Season Two when Season One wasn't even finished.I realize that the movie provides what amounts to a Season One finale. I am thinking of the British approach to TV series where they will film a limited number of episodes, do a few TV movies, and after a year or so film another Series. It's all a bit eccentric but given the subject matter of "Firefly" it might just work.

I am thinking of the British series "Red Dwarf" and "Chef!". While "Red Dwarf" didn't go the TV movie route both series followed the stop-start pattern and an American analogue would be "The Sopranos".

Well, i followed Red Dwarf for a while until i kinda lost it due to other commitments, and yeas, this is a prime example.

Red dwarf would do two seasons in a year, say.
Then, about two years down the line, it would return again with a much shorter season.

So, even if the first season wasnt finnished, dont worry about that, just do a feature length episode to kick of season 2 that kinda covers the end of season one.
Also, if the show is limited to say 14 episodes a seasons, it wont look out of place with the first run by being out numbered.

From Chris and nicole in College, in Kent, in England, on the Earth that was.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:16 AM

GATORMARC

Quote:
Originally posted by Sep7imus:
I'm not going to jump into the "who's firefly-ier" debate.
SPOILERS
.
.
.
.

But, Joss has said that if there IS any sort of sequel or second season, it will include Book and Wash, and not in any sort of bring-them-back-from-the-dead or Wash's-twin-brother way.

To me, that sounds like a prequel, either to the show or, more likely, to fill in the gaps between the show and the movie.

Yeah... I would love it if you could find that article.

I'd be fine with them just going on post-Serenity. Joss and Co. will find ways to bring other interesting story lines into it, even without Wash.

GatorMarc

Eat 'em up, chomp, chomp.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:36 AM

SEP7IMUS

Quote:
Originally posted by GatorMarc:

Yeah... I would love it if you could find that article.

I'd be fine with them just going on post-Serenity. Joss and Co. will find ways to bring other interesting story lines into it, even without Wash.

GatorMarc

Eat 'em up, chomp, chomp.

Anyone want to help out? I'm not sure I can find it. I'm not familiar enough with the fireflyfan-internet-universe.

It was a transcript posted on a forum of a recent (post-Serenity) Q&A with Joss Whedon in Australia. He answered questions about Serenity, Wonder Woman, X-Men, etc.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:35 AM

GWEK

I think a new continuity is a bad idea. The movie, for better or worse, IS season 2 of the show

In the illustrated screenplay, JW states that he'd always intended to tell the story we saw in "Serenity" (or some version thereof), but had to tell it in 2 hours rather than 2 seasons (not sure if he include the 1st season in that count or not).

For those who haven't already read it, the comic book mini-series from Dark Horse is the first season finale. It bridges the gap between the show and the movie, and also wraps up a number of sub-plots from the first season of the show.

If we assume that finale would've been a 2-parter, we're left with 17 episodes out of a 22 episode season. It's pretty easy to read between the lines and see what kind of stuff we would've seen in those 5 missing episodes.

Anyway...

While I wish Joss had been given the opportunity to tell the tale of "Serenity" over the course of season 2, if we're lucky to get more Firefly, I want to move forward, not back (or sideways). What will Zoe do without Wash? How will Simon balance his new dynamics with Kaylee and River? Will Mal and Inara be able to stand each other?

In a larger sense, the crew of 'Serenity' is largely without allies (thanks to the Operative), so what happens next? Do they keep flying the way they've been, or will they become true heroes? I have a feeling that, following Mirada, a lot of folks will be gunning for them, and an equal number will be looking to make them into symbols.

As for Wash and Book, I'd love to see them in flashbacks, but I think that's the only way we're gonna see them.

Unless...

You know, they DO mention cloning in at least one episode. How awesome would it be if the crew finds themselves hunted by yet another Operative, only to find that he has the same face as a certain former passenger?

Well, that's enough of my ramblings for now. I end with this thought: we should just trust Joss. Sure, he makes a mis-step from time to time, but he very rarely steers us wrong. No matter how he takes "Serenity" up in the air again, we can be sure it'll be with love.

GWEk

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Er...you DO realise that Joss Whedon created this 'verse and he can do whatever he damn well pleases with it, right?

Sure, same with Lucas, they can do what they please - what they can not, should not, do - is expect or demand fat stacks of cash from the folks who did not like the final product.

I had to mull this over for a looong time debating whether to shell out the $$$ for a third viewing of Serenity, and in the end, decided against it.

Yes, it's Joss's universe, but what Joss's Universe runs on, is our $$$, HOW many DVD sets have we bought, passed around, given as gifts ?

That's our $$$, the "Fuel" that runs the little engine of Joss's imagination and puts it on the TV, puts it in the Comics, up on the big screen.

Joss earned those two viewings I paid for from his work on the series, and the movie ain't half bad for yet-another-sci-fi-b-flick-yawner...
(Cause that's what it is, once you take away all of the things that made the series so special.)

But the debt is paid, and if this is the direction he wants the franchise to go in, more power to him, as you say, it's his dream.

But damned if I intend to fund it any further.

Clear enough ?

-Frem

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:21 AM

ZEEK

I really don't get it. I don't see much continuity problem with the movie at all. The only problem I have is with Jayne treating Simon nicely and once again trying to get rid of River. It's as if his role in Ariel was cut out a bit. Other than that the movie follows Firefly perfectly fine.

I would love another movie or a season that starts where Serenity left off.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:46 AM

HAZE

From personal perspective, and I can only speak for myself I would like to see a second series of Firefly that continues for where the TV show left off. Serenity does not muster the same level of affection in me as those 14 episodes.

But honestly I don’t think there will be a second series of Firefly. By this time next year Summer will most likely be the new “it” girl and getting her back would a difficult.

There are 3 characters I can never see Firefly without, Mal Jayne and River.

Shame really that Summers so damn talented.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:42 AM

GREGGALLINSON

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Joss earned those two viewings I paid for from his work on the series, and the movie ain't half bad for yet-another-sci-fi-b-flick-yawner...
(Cause that's what it is, once you take away all of the things that made the series so special.)

This attitude baffles me, and you're far from the only Firefly fan I've heard say something like this. I mean, did you not hear the twangy guitars in the soundtrack? Did you not hear people speaking Chinese? Did you not hear the phrase "gorram"? Didn't Mal and Inara still have their tortured love/hate relationship? Did you not see the Kaylee's Room sign? Was Jayne anything other than a brutish idiot mercenary that wanted control of the ship? Weren't Zoe and Wash still married? Didn't Zoe and Mal refer back to their days in the war? Did you miss the Blue Sun bottle? Wasn't Kaylee still in love with Simon? The only legit complaints I can see are A) the Alliance's unique cityships were replaced with more generic designs and B) some characters- notably Kaylee and Book- got the short end of the stick when it came to screen time and character development. A isn't enough to ruin a movie for me and B is a byproduct of the simple reality that you can't have nine lead characters in a two hour movie. I will concede that *by the end of the film*, the Firefly universe has changed into something totally different, but at the beginning- save Book's absence, which (unlike River's powers and Inara's departure) did not grow out of the events of Objects in Space- the movie is totally a logical continuation of Firefly. If you feel otherwise, that's fine by me, but again, the sentiment baffles me.

Quote:
But the debt is paid, and if this is the direction he wants the franchise to go in, more power to him, as you say, it's his dream.

But damned if I intend to fund it any further.

Clear enough ?

Crystal.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:51 AM

SLOWSMURF

He's not taking away Firefly(Lucas still hasn't released the unmolested DVD's), he doesn't intend to. But they aren't the same thing. If YOU didn't like the movie, that's all good and well. But don't act like he did it to spite fans. Of course he wasn't going to just put the pilot episode of Firefly in a movie theater. Because that would be a shitty goddamn movie and he knows it, whether you do or not. Yes, we'd all rather have another season than a movie, but that wasn't and isn't a choice. GET OVER IT.

If you can't accept change, then please, for the love of god, FUCK OFF.

I'm sick of all you idiots saying he ruined the series with the movie.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:57 AM

DEEKEYE

I think you have to keep Wash and Book. They blend so well with the other characters. The husband and wife scenario adds more complexity to the show. the show also needs Books calmness and the crew needs his guidance sometimes. Plus, if Wash wasn't there who would fly the damn thing?

My thoughts for what there worth.

Deekeye

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:11 AM

GREGGALLINSON

Quote:
Originally posted by SlowSmurf:
He's not taking away Firefly(Lucas still hasn't released the unmolested DVD's), he doesn't intend to. But they aren't the same thing. If YOU didn't like the movie, that's all good and well. But don't act like he did it to spite fans. Of course he wasn't going to just put the pilot episode of Firefly in a movie theater. Because that would be a shitty goddamn movie and he knows it, whether you do or not. Yes, we'd all rather have another season than a movie, but that wasn't and isn't a choice. GET OVER IT.

If you can't accept change, then please, for the love of god, FUCK OFF.

I'm sick of all you idiots saying he ruined the series with the movie.

Exactly. What he did in the movie took balls, and you have to take the point of view that Joss was trying to set up more films with this. This was The Big Damn Movie. Epic events had to happen, unless you wanted it to be a poor rehash of old episodes (again, see the Star Trek: The Next Generation "movies"). Firefly worked just fine on TV. The opening of the film proved to me that it could work just fine as a movie as well. But the bottom line remains: Joss, IMO, was merely transforming Firefly into something more epic and more worthy of the big screen. Do I wish certain characters were still part of the Serenity crew by the end of the film? Sure. I loved both characters. But I think I understand why Joss did what he did and I accept it, because it really did transform what could've been "just another episode" into an epic.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:12 AM

GEEKMAFIA

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I really don't get it. I don't see much continuity problem with the movie at all. The only problem I have is with Jayne treating Simon nicely and once again trying to get rid of River. It's as if his role in Ariel was cut out a bit. Other than that the movie follows Firefly perfectly fine.

I would love another movie or a season that starts where Serenity left off.

I was going to say something but thanks to Zeek i don't have to. all i can say is my sentiments exactly.

WASH: Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next?
ZOE: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up.
WASH: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it.

Liou coe shway duh biao-tze huh hoe-tze fuh ur-tze

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:29 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I would say no. Honestly I would not change anything that Joss has done, nor do I think it would be right to. It is Joss' 'verse, his characters, and his story. Things happened the way he saw best for them to unfold. To change anything would be to take it out of his hands & I wouldn't dream of doing it.

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Fans:

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/richmondbrowncoats/

http://www.richmondbrowncoats.org

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:55 AM

ROCKETJOCK

IMHO, fill-in stories should be limited to flashbacks only; but there's plenty of room to use such liberally. (Picture a storyline showing how The Operative adjusts to life "On the Rim", now that he is no longer the parliment's man; I can easily see flashbacks to Book's untold past being used as counterpoint to his passage. Just one example.)

And the idea of Serenity being "haunted" by the ghost/echo of Wash that only River can see tickles both my wife and myself.

But as for the idea of disowning the movie, well...

Serenity shocked a lot of people because of the Two Big Spoilers; some of those folk were so rattled they decided the movie was worthless, even if they'd been enjoying themselves up until then. Some of those have since come around to enjoying the film, some not.

Others, a smaller group that the first, I think, honestly don't like the flick for reasons of personal taste.

Fair enough. Taste cannot be arbitrated or argued. If you no longer like the direction Joss has taken his 'Verse, then hail and fairwell, and I grieve that the journey ended sourly for you. But it's too late to rewrite history.

"If you want to paint a beautiful picture, sometimes you have to use some awfully dark colors." -- God, to Bruce, outtake from Bruce Almighty

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:12 AM

HAZE

The only I can say I truly hate about Serenity is the poster campaign. But that’s the fault of the ad men.

“We gotta get the teen age boys in so lets stick River in a low cut dress and have her holding a gun”. “No wait Iv got a better idea lets give her an ax and a big sword and have her strike a OTT martial arts post” “No wait lets do both and stick a gun in Kaylees’ hand while where at it”.

Another thing that’s annoying me is the focus of Rivers fight scenes as opposed to the character. Iv said it before and I’ll keep saying it, the fact she can kill people is the least important aspect of River.

The movies good it just didn’t grab me the way the TV did (and still does). But still you got to say its better than noting.

Who do you suppose is in there?

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:51 PM

ROLAND

This is for the people that are angry at Joss for supposedly ruining the Firefly verse by killing Book and Wash. Just because all 9 crew members survived to the end of the series does not mean they would have all survived if there had been more seasons. If you have watched Buffy or Angel, you know that his main characters do sometimes get killed. If there had been more Firefly seasons, characters would have died. Joss has never shied away from killing characters. He did not do anything any different than he has in his other series. He made them realistic. Which means that, sometimes, people die.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:30 PM

JASONZZZ

Quote:
Originally posted by Sep7imus:
, it will include Book and Wash, and not in any sort of bring-them-back-from-the-dead or Wash's-twin-brother way.

Don't have to bring any body back from the dead assuming that they didn't really die in the first place.

Like Fireflyfans.net?
Haken needs new equipment to keep the site shiny. Donate.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=5&t=3283
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13317#185514

Given the freedom to do so, anarchy will result in an organic organization unto itself.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:12 PM

MAJORCLOD

God damn some people get worked up about these characters dying. For crying out loud, people die, SHIT HAPPENS.

If future outings it will give us even more juicy material on how these characters are adjusting to these changes. I don't want to see any bringing back from the dead, I don't want Book and Wash's deaths to be cop outs. They died for a reason, it hurts sure, but move on.

Joss would have killed one of the crew early on anyway, its just the way he is. Watch Buffy or Angel, no one ever stays happy for very long at all.

Everyone is wondering how they can make a series without Wash and Book. Its simple, they won't be in it. Occasional flashbacks maybe, but thats it. I don't want to have to sacrifice story and surprise by making a prequel, just so that we can hear them speak.

It took balls for Joss to make those decisions, I highly doubt it was an easy choice for him.

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, October 13, 2005 4:08 AM

JASONZZZ

Quote:
Originally posted by MajorClod:

...
Everyone is wondering how they can make a series without Wash and Book. Its simple, they won't be in it.

...

Yeah, would have been pretty easy to write a story without those folks dying with pretty much the same story line. Just insert a random bunch of Red Shirts and would have about the same impact. "Shit! some body just got killed! Holey Crap, there goes another one" You get the idea. For all I care, he can put a body count stat in the upper right corner of the screen and have it increment each time bodies start dropping.

Quote:
Originally posted by MajorClod:

It took balls for Joss to make those decisions, I highly doubt it was an easy choice for him.

Don't know what the balls for the decision is for, but would have been just as easy to write it without any deaths and same story... Don't know, don't care what the point is.

Like Fireflyfans.net?
Haken needs new equipment to keep the site shiny. Donate.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=5&t=3283
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13317#185514

Given the freedom to do so, anarchy will result in an organic organization unto itself.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:42 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Others, a smaller group that the first, I think, honestly don't like the flick for reasons of personal taste.

That would be me, specifically the sense of "family" was missing, but let's repeat that, *personal* taste, personal, it's one persons opinion, mine - and unlike some people in this thread I have no intention of trying to force someone to share that opinion, so please have the decency to either grant the same courtesy and agree to disagree, or just shut the hell up, right-O ?
(This is directed at you, pottymouth.)

Fair enough. Taste cannot be arbitrated or argued. If you no longer like the direction Joss has taken his 'Verse, then hail and fairwell, and I grieve that the journey ended sourly for you. But it's too late to rewrite history.

Exactly, I am sure a lot of folk enjoyed the movie immensely, and more power to em, in fact I have held my tongue a couple times here so as not to turn folks off, cause the movie deserves a fair shot to new might-be-fans, but where I draw the line at fanhood is continuing to finance something that no longer appeals to me, that's just plain silly.

If you enjoy it, by all means go see it a couple more times and buy the DVD's, action figures (which I still might buy, maybe) and what have you, but there's no way to please everyone, and demanding that even the discontent shell out the $$$ is a bit over the top in my opinion - and in the end, it's $$$ that makes or breaks continuance of this story.

I don't mind at all certain events (left vague to avoid spoilers) rather than the whole 'feel' of the series has gone somewhere that no longer interests me, and when it quits holding my interest, I quit shelling out for it.

That's a personal expression, and a personal opinion, I sincercely hope other folk felt they got their moneys worth and give a nod to those who do wanna keep going in that direction even if I am gonna part ways.

Please have the decency to offer that same respect in return.

-Frem

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

YOUR OPTIONS

SHARE THREAD

NEW POSTS TODAY

USER

POST DATE